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Bill Maher on Islam
04-23-2013, 11:39 AM
I've never understood this boards hatred of Islam.
Most of the political BS y'all spit can be found in the Middle East.
What religion and culture
- keeps their women covered up and chaste, with the penalty of death
- rewards beta behavior by only allowing marriage when a man can afford a bride
- doesn't let women drive or vote
- allows a man up to 4 wives
- punishes criminals with an eye for an eye
- punishes adultery in men with a fine, and for women with death
You can run down the grievances that folks have with Western Women and Western Society and find that Islam pretty much solves most if not all of those problems.
Would you rather look for a woman who can be found drinking and carousing, and full of western feminist ideology, ready to divorce you at the drop of a hat cause her emotional needs aren't being met
or would you prefer a woman who knows her place is in the home and with children, whose society and culture FORCE her to submit to a man, lest she find herself out in the streets destitute and poor?
You just want to dominate a woman in bed, but no other place?
You'd prefer blonde blowjobs for 30 minutes that come with 23 and half hours of subjugation, and running from countries so that you are not under a stiletto heel?
And it's not like your hatred of Islam is directly correlated to your embrace of Christianity (lol)
You prefer the material opulence and life of convenience of the West, to simple, masculine, and austere life of Muslims of the Mid East. You'd prefer to life bars of steel instead of put up posts to build a house?
Your schizophrenia is baffling.
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Bill Maher on Islam
04-23-2013, 11:51 AM
^ There's a medium somewhere between the two I guess. I certainly wouldn't want to live in Saudi. As an atheist I wouldn't be 'tolerated' over there, and I wouldn't want to live under a theocracy that recognizes the validity of dark age bullshit like witchcraft. I want to live in a secular country, and truth be told, it does seem to be Islam and Islam alone that is so hostile to this. Whether this comes from the unchangeable aspect of the Quran I don't know, but I suspect it is.
I don't care if women drive, or vote (although I do understand the negatives it has brought) etc. I'd rather an educated, productive female voted than some fucking idiot bloke, who just votes who his mates told him to vote for etc.
I just wish women didn't have free reign to get so fucking fat. That is pretty much my only huge gripe. Kuwait is Muslim, and they've got the worst obesity rates in the world, so it isn't helping solve that problem. I always find that quite funny, how deep south America is the most religious, and the fattest, but isn't one of the ten commandments against greed/gluttony?
Edit - Deadly sins, and it was for both greed AND gluttony.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H L Mencken
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Bill Maher on Islam
04-23-2013, 12:45 PM
The Middle East has been at war forever (as has most of the world, but that area more so). No one is responsible for it except the people there. They can claim to hate whatever country for whatever reason but the fact remains that they will hate someone no matter what. The who does not matter. Being involved in that area of the world is a death sentence for anyone who has gotten involved there. I say let them all fight to the death and see who comes out alive.
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Bill Maher on Islam
04-23-2013, 12:58 PM
Europe has also been at war "forever." The only reason Europe and North America have calmed down is because of the understanding of economic interdependence and trade.
If the middle east were still The Ottoman Empire, Persia, and the other macro states, do you think you would be hearing about the Israeli Arab crisis?
The British went to the Middle East and split apart these countries for their own benefit, and now you have these countries that didn't exist split between ethnic lines fighting each other because families want to claim their booty.
The "Middle East" is a problem created by the West, and all the West has to say about it is "Let them bomb each other." It's bullshit.
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Bill Maher on Islam
04-23-2013, 01:47 PM
I just watched the clip of Bill Maher. There is zero doubt he won that 'debate'. He just challenged the orthodoxy and the other guy (and most of the audience) didn't really know what to say as they knew he was right. He didn't say anything bad, or anything out of the ordinary (in people's minds - thought crime remember), Islam IS the only religion in the modern day that will kill you for 'offending' it.
Funny really, and this applies to all religious people who get offended on behalf of Gods, Prophets etc... Surely if they're so supernaturally powerful they'd be more than able to defend themselves, and retaliate. How? By blowing up innocent runners in Boston according to everyone's favorite Christian church, the 'Westboro Baptist Church'.... Religion is nuts and Dawkins is right, people who blindly believe that shit are suffering a mental delusion.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H L Mencken
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Bill Maher on Islam
04-23-2013, 02:00 PM
The ethnic fighting was already happening, whether or not there were country lines drawn has no effect. And the economic freedom is an exact result of the people, no one has forced these people to hate each other, they just inherently do. Blowing people up does not create freedom, violence begets violence. The Middle East is lucky that all western countries are too pussified to just blow them off the map. And yes, the western response is to just let them fight it out because that is what should have been done in the first place.
And even if I accept the premise that it is the west's fault, so what? If any country invades another one or one people attack another someone will win while another loses. The problem is that the western governments are too stupid to leave the countries in a way that is sustainable. It's just a vicious cycle that will never end in that region of the world.
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Bill Maher on Islam
04-23-2013, 02:08 PM
Quote: (04-23-2013 03:08 AM)Fisto Wrote:
You guys blaming the US for muslim acts of terror are real cute with your reasons. But it doesn't account for the historical evidence of muslims trying to take over the world. Look at just the last 10 years of every major conflict around the world and you will see that in most of these conflicts MUSLIMS are behind it.
When did Muslims try to take over the world? I don't think any Muslim nation has come close to taking over the world. Maybe and empire here or there.
Cyrus the Great, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, and Hitler weren't Muslims.
And Great Britain has colonized more than any nation on this earth. And when that goes down heavy violence has ensued with countries that aren't even muslim. Go figure.
You want to know the only thing you can assume about a broken down old man? It's that he's a survivor.
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Bill Maher on Islam
04-23-2013, 06:07 PM
I read this quote just today:
Islam is a political religion; the idea of a separation of Mosque and State is unheard of in the Muslim world. Islam has a doctrine of warfare, Jihad, which is fought in order to establish Islamic Law, which is, by nature, totalitarian. Sharia Law calls for, among other things: the dehumanization of women; the flogging/stoning/killing of adulterers; and the killing of homosexuals, apostates and critics of Islam. All of this is part of orthodox Islam, not some “extremist” form of it. If jihadists were actually “perverting a great religion,” Muslims would have been able to discredit them on Islamic grounds and they would have done so by now. The reason they can’t is because jihadists are acting according to the words of Allah.
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Bill Maher on Islam
04-23-2013, 09:05 PM
Quote: (04-23-2013 12:49 AM)j r Wrote:
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You do know the history of the Middle East right? The western powers have been meddling in the region since the days of the Ottoman empire. Does that mean that everything is America's fault? No. There are plenty of problems that these countries could be addressing and aren't. That being said, the United States has overthrown democratically elected governments that we just didn't like. The Unites States has supported dictators like Saddam Hussein and Mubarak. The United States is killing civillians in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen with drones. These are just facts.
the West has been "liberating" the Middle East for centuries...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info...le1988.htm
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Bill Maher on Islam
04-24-2013, 04:33 AM
I think the debate is whether something within Islam is itself responsible for the acts some of it's followers do. I think there is and the quote above is very apt.
"Islam is a political religion; the idea of a separation of Mosque and State is unheard of in the Muslim world. Islam has a doctrine of warfare, Jihad, which is fought in order to establish Islamic Law, which is, by nature, totalitarian. Sharia Law calls for, among other things: the dehumanization of women; the flogging/stoning/killing of adulterers; and the killing of homosexuals, apostates and critics of Islam. All of this is part of orthodox Islam, not some “extremist” form of it. If jihadists were actually “perverting a great religion,” Muslims would have been able to discredit them on Islamic grounds and they would have done so by now. The reason they can’t is because jihadists are acting according to the words of Allah."
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H L Mencken