[Lumiere]

(07-08-2010 05:42 AM)Richie Wrote:  

A playboy should probably commit to being single otherwise isnt he just a cheat and a liar?

Only if you mislead.

(07-08-2010 05:42 AM)Richie Wrote:  

And by the way no decent women is going to accept an open relationship

Strange that I have found and am seeing so many of them right now.

(07-08-2010 05:42 AM)Richie Wrote:  

.. thats basically just a fuck buddy.

Nope. A fucky buddy is someone you basically dont really care about.

You can have a BF / GF relationship without the sexual ownership part you know.

[Richie]

I must be living in the 1940's or something.

[Lumiere]

(07-08-2010 08:45 AM)Richie Wrote:  

I must be living in the 1940's or something.

No. You are just living with the same relationship baggage that society has programmed you with.

[Rocco81]

I see it from both sides. I mean bieng a playboy for a while is something everyman should attempt. Its fun and yes you sew your wild oats. However, there is a point in life where there are more important things.

I guess I'm an old fashioned kind of dude (leave the woman pregnant and in the kitchen kind of shit haha) but I do love family and I actually enjoy children and a loving woman. Of course when that time comes I will embrace that, but for the time bieng travelling, partying, and experiencing new things will be what I do.

I do think that some guys get a little pathetic. Dudes in their 40's, lonely, not so cool anymore, at the bar trying to buy drinks and talk football with the 20-30 somethings and flirt with the young women. At some point it gets expensive, unhealthy, and kind of obsessive. Hell when I was ionly in my mid/late 20's I went on a tear, doing the whole club thing / bar thing 3-4 nights a week, banging many girls bieng selfish and greedy with my time from real friends and family...until after a while I realized I was out of shape, low on cash, always hung over and suffering at work, developed newer/worse habbits than just drinking...and all for the sake of a quick nut or two. I mean its great but with moderation I guess Im saying.

[Rocco81]

Richie I feel you, some guys here are just beating their chests (no offense to anyone in particular) and some guys really buy all this game stuff 110%. I am there with all of you in some way or another, but really its a personal choice at the end of the day.

I do agree that if every man just played games and never settled down our society as a whole would be shitty. I mean without bieng longwinded here, one of the things that seperates men from a modern society from more primitive times is that we have what is called planning, dedication, self control etc. Not preaching to anyone, but if you are married with kids its a different world. I mean everyone might slip up, but to just willy nilly pull your dick out and fuck every cute girl that allows it...you are just really not practicing self control and sooner or later it will catch up to you.


Oh and the beatuty of this all is that you mentioned dbl standards..oh well, its human nature. We cannot hold women to the same standard as men.

[Giovonny]

Lumiere,

I like what you're saying about the Playboy Lifestyle. I try to be up front and honest with my girls also. I think they repsect guys who are honest and straightforward BUT it can be a tricky balance. You really have to keep a strong frame and really believe in yourself as a Playboy. It has to be a way of life for you and these girls have to sense that 100% If they sense any weakness or doubts in your Game, they will lose respect for you and the whole situation. My frame is this...I am a young man who lives a fun, dynamic life. I could settle down with a nice girl but why would I do that? I am in a time in my life when I can date multiple girls. If a girl wants to date me thats her choice. I won't lie and pretend that I am in a monogomous relationship. I tell them that I won't commit to a faithful relationship because I will not be happy and its not something that I really believe in. Sometimes they are cool with it, sometimes they think its crazy.

My question to you is this....

What do you tell your girls??? Do you tell them that you date other girls? Do you avoid the "what are we doing" talk as long as possible? Do you just tell them straight up that you are a Playboy?

How do you handle your Harem?

[oldnemesis]

(07-08-2010 05:42 AM)Richie Wrote:  

But I have a bit of a double standard here... I wouldnt want my girlfriend going off behind my back and so when I do, my conscious kicks in.

Can you explain why? I'm not trying to blame, and I am looking for explanation, not justification. It cannot be a religious/moral concern as you're ok with yourself doing it, just not with her doing it, so I wonder what is the reason?

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A playboy should probably commit to being single otherwise isnt he just a cheat and a liar? And by the way no decent women is going to accept an open relationship..

I now know quite a lot of couples who are in an open relationship, us being one of them. It really changes a lot of things. One of them is that the value of pussy for you goes right to the bottom, and spending two hours in her bedroom breaking through resistance sounds like a complete waste of time. This also really helps to achieve Buddhist state when pretty much nothing related to (other) women might affect your mood. You screwed up an approach with 10? She was a sure thing but you got cockblocked? This doesn't change your mood anymore. You're much more free this way.

[IshGibbor]

I am not sure if I want to settle down but I will have a few kids by the time I am 35.

Ish

[Lumiere]

(07-08-2010 01:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Lumiere,

I like what you're saying about the Playboy Lifestyle. I try to be up front and honest with my girls also. I think they repsect guys who are honest and straightforward BUT it can be a tricky balance. You really have to keep a strong frame and really believe in yourself as a Playboy. It has to be a way of life for you and these girls have to sense that 100% If they sense any weakness or doubts in your Game, they will lose respect for you and the whole situation. My frame is this...I am a young man who lives a fun, dynamic life. I could settle down with a nice girl but why would I do that? I am in a time in my life when I can date multiple girls. If a girl wants to date me thats her choice. I won't lie and pretend that I am in a monogomous relationship. I tell them that I won't commit to a faithful relationship because I will not be happy and its not something that I really believe in. Sometimes they are cool with it, sometimes they think its crazy.

My question to you is this....

What do you tell your girls??? Do you tell them that you date other girls? Do you avoid the "what are we doing" talk as long as possible? Do you just tell them straight up that you are a Playboy?

How do you handle your Harem?

I plan to write a detailed post about this in future

One for another thread

[kali]

(07-01-2010 12:15 PM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

Here's a re-post from a previous thread. May not be the right answer but it's the best I've been able to come up with:


In my humble opinion, the best answer I've found is to adopt the lifestyle of historically famous sailors/explorers. They'd have a woman and family back home where they were were worshipped as grand adventurers who brought fortunes home from abroad for the glory of the empire.

When they were in their homes, they'd enjoy all the comforts of family, companionship, and rest/relaxation.

However, they'd soon get the itch to travel to new, distant lands once again. Therefore, once again they would embark on new adventures abroad and of course, discreetly keep lovers in every port.

The key is to find a good woman to settle down with who can understand this lifestyle, and give you the freedom you need when you need it.

I think it can work if you're successful enough, worldly enough, and yes, financially well-off enough, to design your life in such a manner.

Positives:

1. You're not shitting where you live. You're faithful within the national boundary of the nation in which you reside :-)

2. You're not keeping "long-term" mistresses nearby -- the negative energy caused by the daily deception needed to keep nearby mistresses will likely kill your primary relationship IMO. See Tiger Woods for daily deception/negative energy going out of control.

3. You and your woman will miss each other with the time spent away from one another. This is a good thing. If you don't miss each other, it's also a good thing -- it lets both of you know the relationship is valueless to one another.

4. If you have a kid(s), then it lets the relationship "continue" with some normality while allowing for you to get release from the daily grind of an unsatisfactory relationship or the semi-castrating feeling of being and seen as "daddy" 24/7.

5. It lets you feel like a man. Take risks, explore new lands, conquer new women, meet new people, embrace new opportunities. This is what we were born to do.

6. It lets you appreciate what you have. A woman who loves you, a family that cares of you, and the comforts of a life partner back home, without throwing it all away just to "be single." This is especially important for warding off cynicism/jadedness towards women. And for those times when you strike out/get rejected. Sometimes, all we want is to experience the freedom of being single again, the ability to hunt freely without looking over our shoulders, and the actual f*cking is not all that important (assuming you've gotten your rocks off in some way already).

7. You're not proposing something "weird" that most girls would reject -- like becoming swingers, proclaiming yourself to be polyamorous, or asking for an open relationship.

8. 3-4 months by yourself in a new country can teach you a lot about how the world works, make you more confident & independent, and open up all kinds of new doors for you. Even without the potential of fucking new women, it's a wonderful thing. Think of it as the study abroad experience that you never had, except now with the wisdom and resources to do the things your awkward teenage-self could never do.

Negatives:

1. It costs money. Lots of it, depending on how you roll. I am envisioning spending several months abroad from your primary home during one stint.

2. Women generally can feel when her man is straying. Your woman may not remain faithful to you if you are away for too long. In other words, the relationship has to be something you're willing to lose. But as far as I'm concerned, this is how a guy SHOULD be in every relationship. It may hurt like hell, but you have to be willing to cut her off from your life and she has to KNOW that you're capable of this if she crosses the line one too many times.

3. Might get difficult to justify spending 3-4 months every year in the fucking capitals of the world for "business" :-) Ideal girlfriend back home should have the attitude -- do what you need to do, I don't really want to know all the details, I'm just happy you come back home to me a better man.

4. You may fall in love with a newer, younger, hotter...maybe even *better*...woman. But by this time, hopefully you'll know what "better" really means and wiser to the ebbs and flows of a relationship (hot in the beginning, warm in the middle, with a fast drop off after 3-4 years once the sex gets old). In other words, just because you're fucking your new girl night & day does NOT necessarily mean she's the right girl for you. However, this is *danger* territory as relationships with women abroad that go beyond purely sexual/short-term romantic flings MAY have a significant effect on how you view your primary home relationship.

5. Your job may not be location-independent. But if it's not, you should work towards making it so.

6. With the Internet, any new women you meet in these distant lands may want to keep in touch with you when you go back home. If this becomes daily contact via e-mail/chat, then you would be in spiritual violation of #2 above (not shitting where you live). I believe it would be important to have your flings and leave them as just that -- romantic, passion-filled flings that are in your past and be the good lover/boyfriend when you are back home.

7. If you have a girl AND a kid(s), then 3-4 months is a long time to spend away from them. Kids need a father-figure. However, when you DO return to your home environment, I believe the time spent away will make you appreciate your kid a lot more. This is not really my forte so someone else may want to chime in with parenting issues and consequences. One possible idea is to have a "family-oriented location" where you, your primary girlfriend, and kid can spent time together exploring and enjoying a new land once in a while. This way, they don't feel like they're constantly "left behind" while you go on adventures and can also enjoy the international lifestyle you've adopted to a certain degree.

8. You don't want to have to "start over" (new friends, new place, new women) all the time. It may be worth finding a few favorite places and building up a network there so that you can re-visit them with greater ease and convenience in the future. I once read that people feel psychologically reassured by routine and that it is good for you. You probably don't want your life to be perpetual, jet-lagged chaos.


I'd be interested to hear others thoughts on this model as well as it's something that's somewhat theoretical for me. But based on my experience as well as those of my older friends, it seems viable.

Brilliantly written!
I was discussing this option with my friends for the past couple of months, we all eventually want kids but do not want a westernized woman or get married where the divorce laws favor the women. Thailand or some South America countries were a few places we were discussing as a good option to find a good wife, have kids, send them money each month and visit them several times a year.

Any suggestions for other countries?

[rudebwoy]

Sorry to disrupt your dreams guys. I have never come across a woman who would be happy with me going away for any length of time, please tell meet the secret.???
I like to have my cake and eat it as well, but most guys cannot handle there woman fucking around on them. Yes, it is a double standard but in North America it is ridiculous to think your GF/Wife are going to remain loyal.

[kali]

You get a wife in a foreign country and send them $$$$....

[Moma]

(07-05-2010 01:37 PM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

I have noticed that the rich white beautiful girls tend to be the wildest and most promiscuous.

I remember doing one who was heiress to a worldwide brand (think a brand as famous as Chivas Regal and you get the picture) and she not only jumped into bed with me (actually it was on the kitchen floor followed by my bed), but it was also bareback action all night long without any questions asked. Crazy.

Bareback as in no condoms?

[oldnemesis]

(01-07-2011 01:02 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Sorry to disrupt your dreams guys. I have never come across a woman who would be happy with me going away for any length of time, please tell meet the secret???

It is quite simple.

1. Some people are mentally fine with their spouses to fuck around, and some are not. If you start up with someone who is possessive and jealous, your chances are low. Watch out for those signs, and cut them loose early, without spending any time on them.

2. Do not expect it to work right away, live for about a year or two in a closed committed relationship. Spend time with your spouse, prove yourself as a good husband, provider. She must be sure you love her, and you will care about her and kids. From your actions it should be obvious that every other woman is just for fun, and not on par with her; if you scheduled a fuck session but your wife needs something, the choice should be obvious. Remember that women see sex differently from men, for most of them it is something intimate you only do with the person you really like. It is hard for them to understand how a dude could fuck someone in a public restroom just to make his dick wet.

3. Self-regulate; set up some reasonable boundaries, and follow them. Going out one night a week should be fine, but going out three times a week and coming back next afternoon is definitely not.

4. Be ready to give your spouse the same freedom you're asking for. She might not use it, but you should be comfortable if she does.

5. Do not collect phone numbers, and do not do any dating. No matter how you control yourself arranging the dates is energy-consuming activity, and the ROI in those cases is very low anyway. BTW, telling the girl who tries to give you her phone number that you do not do dates and therefore refusing getting her number may actually increase your chance to get same night lay.

6. Always protect your spouse from the results of your activities. This includes always wearing condoms, not volunteering your home address/phone number, and so on. You really do not want to have your spouse harassed by one of those stupid drunk chicks you fucked in the ass last night.

[cellblock4]

(07-01-2010 02:13 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Do it the old fashioned way.

Marry a good woman and raise your family. Treat her right.

Occasionally cheat with hot bimbos when the situation is right. (vacation, business trips, guys night out, old high school flame contacts you, young office intern has a thing for you)

Always go home to your family. Keep the bimbos in their proper place.

Although Kindred situation is IDEAL, being away 3-4 months IMO isn't realistic. I'm with Giovonny on this one.

[kali]

(01-08-2011 10:34 AM)cellblock4 Wrote:  

(07-01-2010 02:13 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Do it the old fashioned way.

Marry a good woman and raise your family. Treat her right.

Occasionally cheat with hot bimbos when the situation is right. (vacation, business trips, guys night out, old high school flame contacts you, young office intern has a thing for you)

Always go home to your family. Keep the bimbos in their proper place.

Although Kindred situation is IDEAL, being away 3-4 months IMO isn't realistic. I'm with Giovonny on this one.

Here in Socal divorce rates are In the 75% plus range, 90 % of the married men i know aren't happy. With divorce laws being the way they are you have to be either a very brave individual or foolish one to get married if you have any substantial amount of assets.