[upandcoming1]

LOL she wants to get mad because your not a groupie than give you little comments thats suppose to make you feel guilty. Anyway i got a girl acting like this right now and i havent given any explanation on why i dont call or text more often because she chances are if she wants to make me feel guilty than shes no good.

[Nonpareil]

Women are weird; they want a fanclub for the sake of having a fanclub. But they don't often fuck members of their fanclub; it's the guys that say "Naw...I'm not really a fanclub type of guy..." that get the sex.

Her: Hey!
Her: Hey! Pay attention to me, validate me, love me!
Her: Hey YOU ASSHOLE HOW COME YOU HAVENT BEEN CALLING OR TEXTING ME NONSTOP LIKE EVERYOTHER MAN OUT THERE LOZLOZLOZLL!
Her: Hey! Listen to me!
Her: Hey!
(This continues on for like twenty mor emessages)

You: I've been busy.

If she's trying to make you feel guilty, she likes you. Keep doing what you're doing. All women will try to guilt you at one point or another, doesn't mean you shouldn't fuck them.

[Feo]

Ignore her and she wants you more. As a rule of thumb I ignore text messages from any girl I just started seeing. The hotter she is the more I ignore, just to get the tension going.

[Hazaer]

Hi Guys, I have seen this phenomenon where girls I ignore or dont talk to much because I am not that interested suddenly start talking to some other guy when they see me. What does this mean?

Is it an attention whoring act to trap guys into 'competing' for her (and eventually be orbiters) or is it an invitation to approach?

How do we differentiate between real interest and attention seeking behaviour in this case?

Thank you for your opinions and experience.

[Hazaer]

(03-16-2017 06:35 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

Hi Guys, I have seen this phenomenon where girls I ignore or dont talk to much because I am not that interested suddenly start talking to some other guy when they see me. What does this mean?

Is it an attention whoring act to trap guys into 'competing' for her (and eventually be orbiters) or is it an invitation to approach?

How do we differentiate between real interest and attention seeking behaviour in this case?

Thank you for your opinions and experience.

Anybody has any ideas to why the above happens?

Today, one of the girls asked my age out of the blue. I replied 'old enough' (credit to the forum) and then made her guess before saying a number which is younger by 4 yrs.

Later I realized that I should have just straight off told her 'you are too young for me.' Damn!

[Mufasa]

(03-16-2017 06:35 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

Hi Guys, I have seen this phenomenon where girls I ignore or dont talk to much because I am not that interested suddenly start talking to some other guy when they see me. What does this mean?

Is it an attention whoring act to trap guys into 'competing' for her (and eventually be orbiters) or is it an invitation to approach?

How do we differentiate between real interest and attention seeking behaviour in this case?

Thank you for your opinions and experience.

Not a phenomenon its just the game.
Girl: Fuck the strongest mate possible
Guy:Fuck as many mates as possible

To answer your question its both. Its our place to use the skills and game we have learned in life to navigate this terrain and get the lay.

With that said I don't know why you'd care. You're the one thats ignoring them know what I mean. If you don't like it give them the attention they need. Theres a reason its called "spinning plates" you have to constantly be aware of whats going on and run around and keep them all spinning. Gotta give the plates the attention they need or else they will fall...

[AnonymousBosch]

(03-16-2017 06:35 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

Hi Guys, I have seen this phenomenon where girls I ignore or dont talk to much because I am not that interested suddenly start talking to some other guy when they see me. What does this mean?

It's Classic High School Girl behaviour:

"Look at this other guy who is happy to talk to me! HE thinks I'm worth talking to! Look at how much I don't need your jerky approval or attention! Look at me throwing back my head hard enough to get whiplash to laugh at once of his jokes. Oh, you sat facing the other way? Let me raise my voice far beyond normal levels, or awkwardly move the pair of us back into your field of vision, so you can clearly-see me so not needing you... WHY WON'T YOU VALIDATE ME????"

You can tell if this is what is going on if she seems to be shooting sideways glances your way, checking for a reaction from you.

I was surprised how many ignorant guys got 'used' in this fashion, unaware they were involved in a performance for a third party audience. This sort of thing is probably why I learnt to never take anything a woman says at face value, and look for the obvious attempts at emotional manipulation, because you don't want to be That Guy.

From here, there were two usual ways things would play out if their target of desire didn't show further interest:

- They'd start showing interest in a more approachable friend, even dating them in an effort to get closer to the guy they really wanted. I saw this a lot over the years. Having two formerly best friends fighting over the same girl is a classic Emotional Porn trope for women, but, of course, all men are pigs.

Failing that:

- They'd go directly to their target saying "I need to talk to you" and then ask for 'relationship advice'.

This is a last ditch attempt to force a guy to declare their love. It's as desperate as it sounds.

This played out once with me about a year before the end of high school, when the girl, all big eyes and halting speech, approached me and gave me this long spiel about some guy who had shown interest in her and wanted to take her out, but she 'wasn't sure what she should do'.

Obviously, she should ask her friends or family for advice, but it seemed more logical to her mind to ask a teenage boy who had shown little interest in her existence, so, functionally, wasn't part of her world at all.

Big eyes. "What do you think I should do, Bosch?"

What do you think her motivation was?

Me: "He seems ok." I shrugged. "You'll get out of the house." With that, I went back to my lyric writing.

It sounds devastating but it was as much teenage cluelessness as disinterest. Still, I didn't owe her a relationship just because she was interested in me any more than a woman owes a guy sex for his interest in her.

A postscript to the story: I saw her picture in the paper in the last couple of years, and they're still together. I'm happy for her that she found a man who could commit 30+ years of continued interest in her, when she was one of the most uninteresting girls I've ever met, and could never have kept up with me. Some girls are just better suited to partners who think an eight hour Netflix Binge Watch is a good use of their time.

I doubt things would escalate to the third stage with Millennial Girls, but I suspect 1 and 2 would still be in regular use amongst younger women.

[RatInTheWoods]

Its so great to have Bosch back.

[Hazaer]

(03-18-2017 03:45 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 06:35 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

Hi Guys, I have seen this phenomenon where girls I ignore or dont talk to much because I am not that interested suddenly start talking to some other guy when they see me. What does this mean?

It's Classic High School Girl behaviour:

"Look at this other guy who is happy to talk to me! HE thinks I'm worth talking to! Look at how much I don't need your jerky approval or attention! Look at me throwing back my head hard enough to get whiplash to laugh at once of his jokes. Oh, you sat facing the other way? Let me raise my voice far beyond normal levels, or awkwardly move the pair of us back into your field of vision, so you can clearly-see me so not needing you... WHY WON'T YOU VALIDATE ME????"

You can tell if this is what is going on if she seems to be shooting sideways glances your way, checking for a reaction from you.

I was surprised how many ignorant guys got 'used' in this fashion, unaware they were involved in a performance for a third party audience. This sort of thing is probably why I learnt to never take anything a woman says at face value, and look for the obvious attempts at emotional manipulation, because you don't want to be That Guy.

From here, there were two usual ways things would play out if their target of desire didn't show further interest:

- They'd start showing interest in a more approachable friend, even dating them in an effort to get closer to the guy they really wanted. I saw this a lot over the years. Having two formerly best friends fighting over the same girl is a classic Emotional Porn trope for women, but, of course, all men are pigs.

Failing that:

- They'd go directly to their target saying "I need to talk to you" and then ask for 'relationship advice'.

This is a last ditch attempt to force a guy to declare their love. It's as desperate as it sounds.

This played out once with me about a year before the end of high school, when the girl, all big eyes and halting speech, approached me and gave me this long spiel about some guy who had shown interest in her and wanted to take her out, but she 'wasn't sure what she should do'.

Obviously, she should ask her friends or family for advice, but it seemed more logical to her mind to ask a teenage boy who had shown little interest in her existence, so, functionally, wasn't part of her world at all.

Big eyes. "What do you think I should do, Bosch?"

What do you think her motivation was?

Me: "He seems ok." I shrugged. "You'll get out of the house." With that, I went back to my lyric writing.

It sounds devastating but it was as much teenage cluelessness as disinterest. Still, I didn't owe her a relationship just because she was interested in me any more than a woman owes a guy sex for his interest in her.

A postscript to the story: I saw her picture in the paper in the last couple of years, and they're still together. I'm happy for her that she found a man who could commit 30+ years of continued interest in her, when she was one of the most uninteresting girls I've ever met, and could never have kept up with me. Some girls are just better suited to partners who think an eight hour Netflix Binge Watch is a good use of their time.

I doubt things would escalate to the third stage with Millennial Girls, but I suspect 1 and 2 would still be in regular use amongst younger women.

In this situation, should I wait for them to approach me before running game? She once made guys guess her favourite hobby to which all the others replied with sexual acts, she finally said that its blueballing guys.

This kind of thing always seem to happen in a social situation and it kind of puts me in an awkward situation because going to talk to her while she is with another guy is only going to increase her value and decrease mine.

As an aside, how do we tell if a girl is not using us to get the attention of another guy? Some compliance tests to weed out these time wasters would be very helpful.

[AnonymousBosch]

(03-18-2017 07:46 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  

In this situation, should I wait for them to approach me before running game?

Wait - weren't these women you'd said you'd already decided you weren't interested in?

If you haven't already run game on them by this stage, then why are you worried if they're talking to other men or not? Let someone else dig through your refuse.

Otherwise: did their Girl Game work on you, and now you're seeing them as higher value than they were before, simply due to another man showing them attention?

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This kind of thing always seem to happen in a social situation and it kind of puts me in an awkward situation because going to talk to her while she is with another guy is only going to increase her value and decrease mine.

Then don't go and talk to her. Give her a polite nod, or a socially-agreeable 'hey' from a distance and keep on your way / working the room / doing your own thing solo. If she's interested in you, she'll create some narrative where you're a mysterious lone wolf anyway, and, if she's not, you're not caught up giving her narcissistic supply. Win, win.

If you're sort of interested, but haven't seen that great potential in her to convince you she's bang or date material, just keep one foot out of the door of your conversations with her. You have to learn to be inside and outside of any conversation at the same time. You're not part of her audience, you're a bemused outsider, working the room, flitting in and out of various conversations, always looking for the most interesting group.

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She once made guys guess her favourite hobby to which all the others replied with sexual acts, she finally said that its blueballing guys.

And this is when you cheekily-address her audience. "So be warned fellas, one day she might actually get good at it." Grin, and keep moving on. Don't sound butthurt, and don't sound bitter or scathing. You're just being a friendly, agreeable smartarse.

I watched my mate Bill - an 60-something Biker - do this today to his daughter. He'd dropped in on her mother, needing her to sign some legal papers, laughing about the 'new dick' she was seeing. The daughter she came into the room, then immediately tried Daddy's Little Girl Manipulation on him, a sickening, obvious display of acting half her age to get what she wanted.

"So, what are you going to get me for my 21st Birthday?" she asked, sitting on his lap.

He sat down his coffee cup. "You're here aren't you? Your mother could have swallowed you."

"Dad!"

The mother: "Oh, you remember her conception do you?"

He looked skywards a second. "Jack Traylor's Lounge Room Floor. His 40th birthday. I had a belly fully of beer, and by the time we were finished, you had a belly full of her."



See how he completely-evaded what his daughter wanted, then immediately-switched his attention to the mother, when she offered the opening?

Admittedly, this is a hard skill to learn - it kind of came naturally to me as INTJ introvert who fakes social extroversion when needed. I'm always in multiple mental places in any conversation simultaneously, because I can't turn off the analytical part of me. So, i'm in the conversation, and outside the conversation, observing the surroundings. I see the actors AND the stage, the audience and the theatre, where I think most people are too wrapped up in their social insecurities to only hear the lines the actors are saying.

It'll give you a slightly 'aloof' air - you're kind of detached and above everything - best tempered with dry or cheeky bantering so you don't seem socially-autistic, whilst also showing social norms bore you.

That's the reason why the character of Mr. Darcy in 'Pride and Prejudice' is still beloved by women.

Come to think of it, that also describes the character of Rhett Butler in 'Gone With The Wind'.

Remember, the game is supposed to be fun. Don't take it too seriously.

I'd like to think there'd be a way to train other personality types this skill. If anyone has a better way of breaking down how to be In and Out of a conversation to an instructional level for non INTJ guys here, jump in.

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As an aside, how do we tell if a girl is not using us to get the attention of another guy? Some compliance tests to weed out these time wasters would be very helpful.

Situational awareness and body language. So many men are clueless when girls aren't truly-interested in them. Watch if you have her undivided attention, or if she's constantly-glancing elsewhere. Is her conversation natural, or sort of forced and distracted - because she's trying to be In and Out of the conversation, (talking to you but watching for the player offstage), and her mind can't keep up with the Duality. Who else is in the area? Where is she glancing?

I grew up in a very rough area, which made me hyper-aware of where people are situated in any 'stage', and it made working security to make ends meet a natural fit for me during my university years. Maybe that's the key: if you're in a club, a bar, a high school cafeteria or even a university quad, take a little time to mentally-step back scope out the scene before you before you become a player on the stage. Note the positions of key groups, and those moving between them. Watch where their sightlines are going: I can often tell where girls wish they could be rather than where they are just from their body language.

I'm always naturally-suspicious of women who 'throw' themselves at me out of the blue. Women easily-manipulate via Ego. Remain cheekily-skeptical.

Hopefully, something in there might help mate.

[Hazaer]

(03-19-2017 05:22 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(03-18-2017 07:46 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  

In this situation, should I wait for them to approach me before running game?

Wait - weren't these women you'd said you'd already decided you weren't interested in?

If you haven't already run game on them by this stage, then why are you worried if they're talking to other men or not? Let someone else dig through your refuse.

Otherwise: did their Girl Game work on you, and now you're seeing them as higher value than they were before, simply due to another man showing them attention?

Quote:

This kind of thing always seem to happen in a social situation and it kind of puts me in an awkward situation because going to talk to her while she is with another guy is only going to increase her value and decrease mine.

Then don't go and talk to her. Give her a polite nod, or a socially-agreeable 'hey' from a distance and keep on your way / working the room / doing your own thing solo. If she's interested in you, she'll create some narrative where you're a mysterious lone wolf anyway, and, if she's not, you're not caught up giving her narcissistic supply. Win, win.

If you're sort of interested, but haven't seen that great potential in her to convince you she's bang or date material, just keep one foot out of the door of your conversations with her. You have to learn to be inside and outside of any conversation at the same time. You're not part of her audience, you're a bemused outsider, working the room, flitting in and out of various conversations, always looking for the most interesting group.

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She once made guys guess her favourite hobby to which all the others replied with sexual acts, she finally said that its blueballing guys.

And this is when you cheekily-address her audience. "So be warned fellas, one day she might actually get good at it." Grin, and keep moving on. Don't sound butthurt, and don't sound bitter or scathing. You're just being a friendly, agreeable smartarse.

I watched my mate Bill - an 60-something Biker - do this today to his daughter. He'd dropped in on her mother, needing her to sign some legal papers, laughing about the 'new dick' she was seeing. The daughter she came into the room, then immediately tried Daddy's Little Girl Manipulation on him, a sickening, obvious display of acting half her age to get what she wanted.

"So, what are you going to get me for my 21st Birthday?" she asked, sitting on his lap.

He sat down his coffee cup. "You're here aren't you? Your mother could have swallowed you."

"Dad!"

The mother: "Oh, you remember her conception do you?"

He looked skywards a second. "Jack Traylor's Lounge Room Floor. His 40th birthday. I had a belly fully of beer, and by the time we were finished, you had a belly full of her."



See how he completely-evaded what his daughter wanted, then immediately-switched his attention to the mother, when she offered the opening?

Admittedly, this is a hard skill to learn - it kind of came naturally to me as INTJ introvert who fakes social extroversion when needed. I'm always in multiple mental places in any conversation simultaneously, because I can't turn off the analytical part of me. So, i'm in the conversation, and outside the conversation, observing the surroundings. I see the actors AND the stage, the audience and the theatre, where I think most people are too wrapped up in their social insecurities to only hear the lines the actors are saying.

It'll give you a slightly 'aloof' air - you're kind of detached and above everything - best tempered with dry or cheeky bantering so you don't seem socially-autistic, whilst also showing social norms bore you.

That's the reason why the character of Mr. Darcy in 'Pride and Prejudice' is still beloved by women.

Come to think of it, that also describes the character of Rhett Butler in 'Gone With The Wind'.

Remember, the game is supposed to be fun. Don't take it too seriously.

I'd like to think there'd be a way to train other personality types this skill. If anyone has a better way of breaking down how to be In and Out of a conversation to an instructional level for non INTJ guys here, jump in.

Quote:

As an aside, how do we tell if a girl is not using us to get the attention of another guy? Some compliance tests to weed out these time wasters would be very helpful.

Situational awareness and body language. So many men are clueless when girls aren't truly-interested in them. Watch if you have her undivided attention, or if she's constantly-glancing elsewhere. Is her conversation natural, or sort of forced and distracted - because she's trying to be In and Out of the conversation, (talking to you but watching for the player offstage), and her mind can't keep up with the Duality. Who else is in the area? Where is she glancing?

I grew up in a very rough area, which made me hyper-aware of where people are situated in any 'stage', and it made working security to make ends meet a natural fit for me during my university years. Maybe that's the key: if you're in a club, a bar, a high school cafeteria or even a university quad, take a little time to mentally-step back scope out the scene before you before you become a player on the stage. Note the positions of key groups, and those moving between them. Watch where their sightlines are going: I can often tell where girls wish they could be rather than where they are just from their body language.

I'm always naturally-suspicious of women who 'throw' themselves at me out of the blue. Women easily-manipulate via Ego. Remain cheekily-skeptical.

Hopefully, something in there might help mate.

In a social setting like at college, it is quite difficult to get success with the 'lone wolf' game. You are either 'in' or 'out'. Girls seem more comfortable banging guys who are in their group and that is the only way to get introduced to more girls. In fact if you are half way in with a group, I realize girls dont even want to engage much unless she is already a little into your looks/style.

Weaving in and out of conversation is indeed a skill, something I am still working on. But when you start gaming a girl, one has to switch gears to 'deep' conversation and that seems to be a challenge. Teasing her too much might make her feel rejected or think you are 'mean' while making the interest known too early might make be too much for her - you got to create the right level of comfort. Either way, you got to seal the deal the same night if its a big party kind of situation. Good example with that dad-daughter convo btw. If that was just 2 different girls instead of mother and daughter in another situation and you have got your eye on one of them how would you escalate?

As another aside, I have seen guys showing their phone to girls about some interesting stuff after isolation. I am guessing that in this day and age, it shows her that he is quite interesting. Anything that you suggest to have in the phone handy when words run out? Unfortunately, I dont have fancy pictures of cool spots around the world with me in it to show yet.

[Leonard D Neubache]

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As an aside, how do we tell if a girl is not using us to get the attention of another guy? Some compliance tests to weed out these time wasters would be very helpful.

A good way to gauge how a woman really feels about you is to be especially aware of the reflective surfaces in your vicinity.

Engage in some sort of amusing anecdote while gazing off into the distance as though you're really digging into your rich and storied history. What you're actually doing is giving them a chance to look at you and fall into an honest moment of gaze and body language at a time they don't suspect you're judging their reactions.

Meanwhile you use a carefully selected reflective surface to check out their body language. In these brief moments you can tell for example whether they're rolling their eyes and casting glances at another guy across the room or staring at you doe-eyed and licking their lips etc.

Be sure to move as soon as your reconnaissance is finished so they don't spot the mirror and become wise to your game.

I once used this method to spot a girl engaging in a total cliche when she thought I wasn't looking (she was playing with one of her earrings). That little tidbit was gleaned using a particularly glossy coaster that I was innocently fiddling with while regaling her with one of my childhoods exploits. Needless to say I felt very James Bondish when I got the notch.

[rudebwoy]

^LOL this is awesome.

I thought I was the only one who does those sneaky moves.

Gyms are great for this and I have caught a few chicks glaring at me.

[AnonymousBosch]

NOTE: I have no idea why the quoting feature on the forum is currently-broken, and the Captcha seems to no longer function under Brave, so you'll have to pay closer attention.

What you're actually doing is giving them a chance to look at you and fall into an honest moment of gaze and body language at a time they don't suspect you're judging their reactions.

Related:

I wrote a similar post on here in the past that I can't find about using this female instinct of women to openly-perv when they think they're not being observed on a Street Level.

Basically:

- you're walking towards each other on a street, or a mall concourse, or across a park;

- you both make eye contact, and you notice the female sexual submission signal - sudden downcast eyes to the side - when she sees you looking back at her. You need to learn how to tell this signal apart from a woman trying to avoid your gaze entirely out of discomfort. A disinterested woman won't even go that far. She'll look at you, and you'll see yourself cease to exist as far as she's concerned a few milliseconds later, unless you can serve some kind of workhorse function.

- so if you see the submissive signal this is when you need to grant her permission to openly 'check you out';

- turn your head away like and look firmly in a direction away from her, like you've noticed something important;

- she now thinks she's invisible and can safely check you out without you noticeable;

- a few seconds later, turn your head back and meet her eyes again; and 'catch her in the act';

- Women seem to have slower reaction times than men when their sexual brain is in control, so you should be able to meet her eyes before she realises you're looking back at her;

- you should be able to fire off a "I see what you're doing, you naughty girl" grin her way in that moment.

- This is a good sign that she's open to game - remember it's a good natured, gentle-teasing type of embarrassment - though, obviously no guarantee that your game or circumstances won't fuck it up.

See also this from Jan 2014: note the 'mate I took to the doctor' was was the gym mate of mine with the obese controlling bitch of a girlfriend who died in early December last year. Women were constantly checking him out whilst pretending to be doing something else, and if he'd had any kind of situational awareness he could have easily traded up.

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say I'm aware of how women react to a muscular man in their presence. I had a mate in my early 20's who wasn't built, but was male model handsome. Exact same thing. The subtle, quick glances pretending they're looking at something else. Touching the hair. Reaching for the phone. Looking at something on a shelf next to you, then 'sideways eyes'. It's easy to notice who is open to day game. You just have to be hyper-observant of everything happening around you.

I took a mate - the one I'm worried is gay - to the Doctor a few months back, and I noticed he could have opened every single woman in the place by these kind of cues. The receptionist was pretending to work on her computer but constantly scanned his biceps as often as she dared he filled out a form for her. He seemed unaware of it. Even crossing the road as we left, the girl driving past us was looking at our crotches, and not the road. I laughed about it after she passed. He didn't notice.

In a social setting like at college, it is quite difficult to get success with the 'lone wolf' game. You are either 'in' or 'out'. Girls seem more comfortable banging guys who are in their group and that is the only way to get introduced to more girls. In fact if you are half way in with a group, I realize girls dont even want to engage much unless she is already a little into your looks/style.

You have to be interesting and good-natured enough as an outsider that you should be able float between social cliques that you're not fully-committed to without causing resentment.

You don't need the approval of the clique, they should be wanting you to confirm the coolness of their clique via your approval.

This has uses beyond game in terms of career networking, sales or rep work. A mate I spoke about on here recently - who had the best comeback to a woman who said 'This is why you're single' - works as a very successful company rep: all he's functionally-doing is being likable, cool and enjoyable company to whatever group he finds himself having to approach, the result of which can be enormous contracts for his company, based on nothing more on the fact he's good-looking, cheeky and entertaining to talk to. (This is also why he has multiple mistresses in every town he travels to).

If you have no networking skills this way, take some classes.

when you start gaming a girl, one has to switch gears to 'deep' conversation and that seems to be a challenge

I've written about this before in terms of getting her to talk about her personal experience of the world via sensation - feel / hear / see / smell / touch / taste - instead of anything more serious, such as politics or religion. Get her to use her words, which opens herself up to her emotional experience of events, which is how women operate.

I rarely talk directly about my own feelings and emotions, only to initiate a conversation topic and always in a removed sense, since women have little interest in male emotion that doesn't directly relate to his feelings about her . As such, I instead speak generally, "well, for some people....", which translates as wisdom, social understanding and experience of others. (Being blunt, I have that). The most common thing I hear from women is that I'm a 'good listener': all I'm doing is allowing them permission to speak about themselves, and offering perspective. This also allows me to get to know women as sex, which is why the second most common thing I hear from women is "How do you know me?" (in terms of understanding their hidden feelings).

I stumbled across an old thread where I called out Tomi Lahren yesterday, and noticed this little tidbit I'd written. Pay attention:

I was gaming a Polish Girl recently - the conversation had turned unexpectedly-spiritual, probably due to our shared experience of us both nursing dying parents - and I bought up the fact that because I've trained myself to not need luxury to be happy, the universe always seems to provides for me.

She thought about this and basically said "This will sound foolish, but many times in life I've found myself realising I've gotten exactly what I wished for at sometime during the past."

I recognise this. "Funny how that happens, isn't it?"

She paused, gathering her thoughts. "Well, that's the thing..."

I lock eyes. "... it's never exactly what you expected, is it?"

"How did you know?"
[quote]

Note her response. What that functionally means to her is "This man truly understands me." This forms intimacy.

But also note my use of language.

"It's never exactly what YOU expected, IS IT?"

YOU = See how I personalise what I've learnt from my experience purely to her emotional experience, so, whilst I'm functionally talking about my experience of the world, she hears it as talking about herself. IS IT? = is an invitation to keep talking. "Tell me more..."

Read my post here, and note how I tell the best way to frame and not frame emotional experience with women, and how not to risk appearing too glib.

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Incidentally, seeing the date on that post, I can now see exactly where one of the best songs I ever wrote came from, and why it is so compassionate in nature, and why women seem to love that one in particular. Interesting.

[quote]Teasing her too much might make her feel rejected or think you are 'mean'

You have to know how to tease effectively. In the case of that woman bragging about her hobby being 'blue balling' men, you're letting some air out of her tyres with a smirk. You're not stabbing the tyres with a switchblade. This is why women are terrible at delivering wit and sarcasm: it always has a sharp, nasty edge, suggesting too much emotional investment and resentment - see the recent thread of the Hispanic guy Dining and Dashing in California when i point out the obvious feminine resentment seething from the male writer, which is why none of his 'jokes' read as funny.

Wit is best delivered without any negative emotional investment whatsoever. Grin, smirk, move on. Do it right, and you will be the only man in that group whose approval she will care about gaining.

This is why I find the net an ineffective way to communicate: something like my putdown of Chelsea Handler in the Trump Thread yesterday can read as vicious brutal, whereas she's of no real concern to me whatsover. I'm just amusing myself at her expense in passing.

If that was just 2 different girls instead of mother and daughter in another situation and you have got your eye on one of them how would you escalate?

Game both, so the one you don't want doesn't cockblock you when the conversation gets more intimate with the one you want. Ask her to dance, change location within the environment, or a change of venue, the other girl will get the hint, but also won't reflexively protect her friend if she also likes having you around.

As another aside, I have seen guys showing their phone to girls about some interesting stuff after isolation. I am guessing that in this day and age, it shows her that he is quite interesting. Anything that you suggest to have in the phone handy when words run out? Unfortunately, I dont have fancy pictures of cool spots around the world with me in it to show yet.

That's a question for a younger guy than me. Personally, with younger women, I wouldn't want to remind her that her own phone exists.

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(03-21-2017 06:25 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

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What you're actually doing is giving them a chance to look at you and fall into an honest moment of gaze and body language at a time they don't suspect you're judging their reactions.

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I wrote a similar post on here in the past that I can't find about using this female instinct of women to openly-perv when they think they're not being observed on a Street Level.

Basically:

- you're walking towards each other on a street, or a mall concourse, or across a park;

- you both make eye contact, and you notice the female sexual submission signal - sudden downcast eyes to the side - when she sees you looking back at her. You need to learn how to tell this signal apart from a woman trying to avoid your gaze entirely out of discomfort. A disinterested woman won't even go that far. She'll look at you, and you'll see yourself cease to exist as far as she's concerned a few milliseconds later, unless you can serve some kind of workhorse function.

- so if you see the submissive signal this is when you need to grant her permission to openly 'check you out';

- turn your head away like and look firmly in a direction away from her, like you've noticed something important;

- she now thinks she's invisible and can safely check you out without you noticeable;

- a few seconds later, turn your head back and meet her eyes again; and 'catch her in the act';

- Women seem to have slower reaction times than men when their sexual brain is in control, so you should be able to meet her eyes before she realises you're looking back at her;

- you should be able to fire off a "I see what you're doing, you naughty girl" grin her way in that moment.

- This is a good sign that she's open to game - remember it's a good natured, gentle-teasing type of embarrassment - though, obviously no guarantee that your game or circumstances won't fuck it up.

See also this from Jan 2014: note the 'mate I took to the doctor' was was the gym mate of mine with the obese controlling bitch of a girlfriend who died in early December last year. Women were constantly checking him out whilst pretending to be doing something else, and if he'd had any kind of situational awareness he could have easily traded up.

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This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say I'm aware of how women react to a muscular man in their presence. I had a mate in my early 20's who wasn't built, but was male model handsome. Exact same thing. The subtle, quick glances pretending they're looking at something else. Touching the hair. Reaching for the phone. Looking at something on a shelf next to you, then 'sideways eyes'. It's easy to notice who is open to day game. You just have to be hyper-observant of everything happening around you.

I took a mate - the one I'm worried is gay - to the Doctor a few months back, and I noticed he could have opened every single woman in the place by these kind of cues. The receptionist was pretending to work on her computer but constantly scanned his biceps as often as she dared he filled out a form for her. He seemed unaware of it. Even crossing the road as we left, the girl driving past us was looking at our crotches, and not the road. I laughed about it after she passed. He didn't notice.

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In a social setting like at college, it is quite difficult to get success with the lone wolf' game. You are either 'in' or 'out'. Girls seem more comfortable banging guys who are in their group and that is the only way to get introduced to more girls. In fact if you are half way in with a group, I realize girls dont even want to engage much unless she is already a little into your looks/style.
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You have to be interesting and good-natured enough as an outsider that you should be able float between social cliques that you're not fully-committed to without causing resentment.

You don't need the approval of the clique, they should be wanting you to confirm the coolness of their clique via your approval.

This has uses beyond game in terms of career networking, sales or rep work. A mate I spoke about on here recently - who had the best comeback to a woman who said 'This is why you're single' - works as a very successful company rep: all he's functionally-doing is being likable, cool and enjoyable company to whatever group he finds himself having to approach, the result of which can be enormous contracts for his company, based on nothing more on the fact he's good-looking, cheeky and entertaining to talk to. (This is also why he has multiple mistresses in every town he travels to).

If you have no networking skills this way, take some classes.

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when you start gaming a girl, one has to switch gears to 'deep' conversation and that seems to be a challenge

I've written about this before in terms of getting her to talk about her personal experience of the world via sensation - feel / hear / see / smell / touch / taste - instead of anything more serious, such as politics or religion. Get her to use her words, which opens herself up to her emotional experience of events, which is how women operate.

I rarely talk directly about my own feelings and emotions, only to initiate a conversation topic and always in a removed sense, since women have little interest in male emotion that doesn't directly relate to his feelings about her . As such, I instead speak generally, "well, for some people....", which translates as wisdom, social understanding and experience of others. (Being blunt, I have that). The most common thing I hear from women is that I'm a 'good listener': all I'm doing is allowing them permission to speak about themselves, and offering perspective. This also allows me to get to know women as sex, which is why the second most common thing I hear from women is "How do you know me?" (in terms of understanding their hidden feelings).

I stumbled across an old thread where I called out Tomi Lahren yesterday, and noticed this little tidbit I'd written. Pay attention:

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I was gaming a Polish Girl recently - the conversation had turned unexpectedly-spiritual, probably due to our shared experience of us both nursing dying parents - and I bought up the fact that because I've trained myself to not need luxury to be happy, the universe always seems to provides for me.

She thought about this and basically said "This will sound foolish, but many times in life I've found myself realising I've gotten exactly what I wished for at sometime during the past."

I recognise this. "Funny how that happens, isn't it?"

She paused, gathering her thoughts. "Well, that's the thing..."

I lock eyes. "... it's never exactly what you expected, is it?"

"How did you know?"
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Note her response. What that functionally means to her is "This man truly understands me." This forms intimacy.

But also note my use of language.

"It's never exactly what YOU expected, IS IT?"

YOU = See how I personalise what I've learnt from my experience purely to her emotional experience, so, whilst I'm functionally talking about my experience of the world, she hears it as talking about herself. IS IT? = is an invitation to keep talking. "Tell me more..."

Read my post here, and note how I tell the best way to frame and not frame emotional experience with women, and how not to risk appearing too glib.

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Incidentally, seeing the date on that post, I can now see exactly where one of the best songs I ever wrote came from, and why it is so compassionate in nature, and why women seem to love that one in particular. Interesting.

[quote]Teasing her too much might make her feel rejected or think you are 'mean'

You have to know how to tease effectively. In the case of that woman bragging about her hobby being 'blue balling' men, you're letting some air out of her tyres with a smirk. You're not stabbing the tyres with a switchblade. This is why women are terrible at delivering wit and sarcasm: it always has a sharp, nasty edge, suggesting too much emotional investment and resentment - see the recent thread of the Hispanic guy Dining and Dashing in California when i point out the obvious feminine resentment seething from the male writer, which is why none of his 'jokes' read as funny.

Wit is best delivered without any negative emotional investment whatsoever. Grin, smirk, move on. Do it right, and you will be the only man in that group whose approval she will care about gaining.

This is why I find the net an ineffective way to communicate: something like my putdown of Chelsea Handler in the Trump Thread yesterday can read as vicious brutal, whereas she's of no real concern to me whatsover. I'm just amusing myself at her expense in passing.

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If that was just 2 different girls instead of mother and daughter in another situation and you have got your eye on one of them how would you escalate?

Game both, so the one you don't want doesn't cockblock you when the conversation gets more intimate with the one you want. Ask her to dance, change location within the environment, or a change of venue, the other girl will get the hint, but also won't reflexively protect her friend if she also likes having you around.

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As another aside, I have seen guys showing their phone to girls about some interesting stuff after isolation. I am guessing that in this day and age, it shows her that he is quite interesting. Anything that you suggest to have in the phone handy when words run out? Unfortunately, I dont have fancy pictures of cool spots around the world with me in it to show yet.

That's a question for a younger guy than me. Personally, with younger women, I wouldn't want to remind her that her own phone exists.

Great post with lots of crucial points. Some comments.

Dont women have awesome peripheral vision? Most of the time they have a peek without us knowing unless they want eye contact in which case, its a green light to approach. I am starting to find getting eye contact on the street is next to useless. Most of the time, they are not ready to stop and have conversation and that is definitely not the place where they expect to find the 'one'. At most, one can say "hey" and feel good and get into the mood of being chatty.

What do you continue with upon receiving a green light and then opening? I find it very hard to continue the convo about vegetables in the grocery store or clothes in a clothing store before she inevitably gets bored. The number is hard to get in either case.

I am not sure what you mean by 'sideways eyes'. Does that mean you see her eyes moving to the side without her head moving? In my mind it would look kind of weird and probably not an IOI, like her checking to see if the creep next to her is going to do something crazy.

I feel, at least in a college environment, floating in and out of cliques means you might not have invested enough time on any of the groups for them to take you seriously and include you in their plans. They might think, you already have other friends to hang out with so they wont bother inviting you. But I can see how, in a more professional setting, you can float around and generate value before ending up at the group with the person you want to approach.