[soup]

Three words

Penthouse

Apartment

Babbo

[Galnuc69]

(05-02-2013 01:56 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:53 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:41 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

You will probably need to get a decent sum of money before you can talk to these types of girls.

That's the kind of mainstream belief that we're actually trying to combat here.

That you need money to hook up with women whose lives are almost 100% centered around the status that comes with money?

You don't need the money, just the ability to craft the illusion that you have money.

[Neuron]

(05-02-2013 02:07 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:56 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:53 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:41 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

You will probably need to get a decent sum of money before you can talk to these types of girls.

That's the kind of mainstream belief that we're actually trying to combat here.

That you need money to hook up with women whose lives are almost 100% centered around the status that comes with money?

You don't need the money, just the ability to craft the illusion that you have money.

I doubt you can craft any appreciable "illusion" (read: web of lies) without either exposing yourself or spending an idiotic amount of money. You guys act like these girls are going to believe everything you say out of hand and fuck you the night of.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-28-2013 04:06 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 09:03 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  

@ MikeCF Actually last week I ditched the white shirt and rocked the wife beater. It definately worked, I owe GManifesto a beer for that one...

Hey, no sweat.

Anytime I happy to help anyone on here at any time.

Sometimes guys think I am being "mean" and "picking on them" but it is all for your own good.

It is always good to drop the ego and the sensitive feelings and take someone's good advice to heart.

I am glad you were a stand up guy and didn't think I was "bullying you" and you didn't feel like you had to do any kind of weird, strange and completely unfunny retaliation threads.

(04-10-2013 09:36 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Everyone in NYC has been in law school, only to come to the city to grind. I don't get it, what's so special about this?

Concerning gaming the white, privileged...
Most cars can cost you more than a horse, hardly a 1% thing. It’s exactly a thing like being in awe over someone owning one that can get you shut out with this crowd. You have to subtly show this world does not phase you. Athlone has written a number of detailed posts on this matter that likely applies better to the American crowd. (At least I imagine old european money to be different)

I think we are referring to Saddlebreds, Thoroughbreds, Arabians, Polo Ponies, etc.

The girl I mentioned earlier in the thread took me to her girlfriends farm this weekend.

The Stud was worth $750,000. She had 10 horses. Many show champions.

This is a 1% of 1% kind of thing.

Girl is buying a new horse. I will report back how much.

[Hotwheels]

(05-02-2013 02:03 AM)soup Wrote:  

Three words

Penthouse

Apartment

Babbo

You talking about an Ocelot?

[Menace]

(05-02-2013 09:42 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Girl is buying a new horse. I will report back how much.

Tell her to buy a zebra. That's where it's at in 2013.

[soup]

(05-02-2013 10:39 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 02:03 AM)soup Wrote:  

Three words

Penthouse

Apartment

Babbo

You talking about an Ocelot?

No, talking about Mario Batalli's flagship resto in NYC

[Hotwheels]

^^^^ disappointed ^^^^

[Vicious]

(05-02-2013 01:56 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:53 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:41 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

You will probably need to get a decent sum of money before you can talk to these types of girls.

That's the kind of mainstream belief that we're actually trying to combat here.

That you need money to hook up with women whose lives are almost 100% centered around the status that comes with money?

The noveau-riche or upper middle class are obsessed about status. The truly rich don't care. They don't need to.

How many really rich people have you actually met, talked to and gamed? My main squeeze comes from old money, her father is on the board of a major yacht club. They respect people who follow protocol and don't get impressed by shiny things. They couldn't care less about your money, in fact they will often be embarrassed if you start talking about money or the cost of things.

Athlone has written about this at length as well and with far better eloquence than what I can muster.

[MrXY]

(05-02-2013 02:15 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

I doubt you can craft any appreciable "illusion" (read: web of lies) without either exposing yourself or spending an idiotic amount of money. You guys act like these girls are going to believe everything you say out of hand and fuck you the night of.

Really?

Have you read this thread? http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21493.html

This forum has many other posts about creating an image that appeals to women that is only semi based in fact

Limiting beliefs are limiting

[AneroidOcean]

(05-02-2013 02:15 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

I doubt you can craft any appreciable "illusion" (read: web of lies) without either exposing yourself or spending an idiotic amount of money. You guys act like these girls are going to believe everything you say out of hand and fuck you the night of.

You doubt what you've never done or never experienced. That doesn't mean it's not possible.

You are using a strawman argument saying things like, "You guys act like these girls are going to believe everything you say out of hand and fuck you the night of."

Nobody said that or thinks that. What you don't understand is that women WANT to believe all kinds of fantastical things. They want to be swept up by a charming man with status, or knowledge, or fame, or money, or physical achievements, or brains, or many different things as long as you are much better than them in some way. They love it. They eat it up.

I've fucked/dated a girl whose grandpa owns one of the premier car museums (his collection) in the US. She made many times more money than me and her family was obviously very wealthy. The fact that I was confident (I had to push through some serious bitchyness/looking down on me for assuming the sale), I lived right by the beach, I was a great dancer compared to her, etc... played into my favor. She spent most of the time she was dating me trying to impress me with her wine knowledge, her ability to take care of me (cooking for me, etc...), and trying to impress my friends (many of which were huge nerds). Every SINGLE guy at her work wanted to date her. One of those hot/bitchy white girls that guys fall over themselves for.

I've fucked/dated a woman who is a very successful VP for her dad's company who owns a home in the extra expensive area right off a super high end golf resort overlooking the ocean. She spent her time with me trying to win ME over, trying to impress me with her piano skills, offering to fly me to some of the higher end skii resorts, etc... I won her over because I had a lot of female friends she knew, yet my dating life was a complete mystery to them all, and I gave great massages that all her friends gushed about. I drove her to a date in my friend's old beat up light purple colored prius (I drove them to the airport and had their car while they were out of town) in my jeans bought from Ross Dress For Less. She loved that date, she was completely and utterly blown away by a date that took me maybe 30 minutes to come up with and plan using Google Maps and talking to my buddy and maybe $60 bucks out of pocket. My competition was someone just as wealthy as her, ripped, good looking, etc...

She pursued ME.

People want what they don't have or can't have easily. While a wealthy female is not necessarily going to want a poor guy, if you think that all a woman with money wants is someone in the same class as her then you're gravely mistaken.

[Neuron]

(05-02-2013 12:58 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:56 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:53 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:41 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

You will probably need to get a decent sum of money before you can talk to these types of girls.

That's the kind of mainstream belief that we're actually trying to combat here.

That you need money to hook up with women whose lives are almost 100% centered around the status that comes with money?

The noveau-riche or upper middle class are obsessed about status. The truly rich don't care. They don't need to.

How many really rich people have you actually met, talked to and gamed? My main squeeze comes from old money, her father is on the board of a major yacht club. They respect people who follow protocol and don't get impressed by shiny things. They couldn't care less about your money, in fact they will often be embarrassed if you start talking about money or the cost of things.

Athlone has written about this at length as well and with far better eloquence than what I can muster.

I didn't say you needed to make egregious displays of wealth, I said you actually need to be wealthy in order to get with these girls. If you're denying this, then you're denying the hypergamy theory outright which I believe is far overstepping boundaries here.

Your supposed "main squeeze" isn't an argument since it's unverifiable and you could easily be lying for internet debate points (lol), so I'm ignoring that.

Also, the only rich people who go out of their way to advertise their richness are dipshit rappers and drug dealers who are trying to game hoodrats and golddiggers. Your comparison between old and new money is mostly irrelevant. I'd say "new" money are more socially calibrated since they've been broke and rich at least once in their lives.

[Neuron]

(05-02-2013 12:59 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 02:15 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

I doubt you can craft any appreciable "illusion" (read: web of lies) without either exposing yourself or spending an idiotic amount of money. You guys act like these girls are going to believe everything you say out of hand and fuck you the night of.

Really?

Have you read this thread? http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21493.html

This forum has many other posts about creating an image that appeals to women that is only semi based in fact

Limiting beliefs are limiting

"Jewish doctor..."

Dude's already rich and he's capitalizing off of the desperation of golddiggers to get laid. That's every rich playboy ever.

This isn't at all analogous to a broke dude trying to act rich. Why are you even posting this?

[Neuron]

(05-02-2013 06:07 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 02:15 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

I doubt you can craft any appreciable "illusion" (read: web of lies) without either exposing yourself or spending an idiotic amount of money. You guys act like these girls are going to believe everything you say out of hand and fuck you the night of.

You doubt what you've never done or never experienced. That doesn't mean it's not possible.

You are using a strawman argument saying things like, "You guys act like these girls are going to believe everything you say out of hand and fuck you the night of."

Nobody said that or thinks that. What you don't understand is that women WANT to believe all kinds of fantastical things. They want to be swept up by a charming man with status, or knowledge, or fame, or money, or physical achievements, or brains, or many different things as long as you are much better than them in some way. They love it. They eat it up.

I've fucked/dated a girl whose grandpa owns one of the premier car museums (his collection) in the US. She made many times more money than me and her family was obviously very wealthy. The fact that I was confident (I had to push through some serious bitchyness/looking down on me for assuming the sale), I lived right by the beach, I was a great dancer compared to her, etc... played into my favor. She spent most of the time she was dating me trying to impress me with her wine knowledge, her ability to take care of me (cooking for me, etc...), and trying to impress my friends (many of which were huge nerds). Every SINGLE guy at her work wanted to date her. One of those hot/bitchy white girls that guys fall over themselves for.

I've fucked/dated a woman who is a very successful VP for her dad's company who owns a home in the extra expensive area right off a super high end golf resort overlooking the ocean. She spent her time with me trying to win ME over, trying to impress me with her piano skills, offering to fly me to some of the higher end skii resorts, etc... I won her over because I had a lot of female friends she knew, yet my dating life was a complete mystery to them all, and I gave great massages that all her friends gushed about. I drove her to a date in my friend's old beat up light purple colored prius (I drove them to the airport and had their car while they were out of town) in my jeans bought from Ross Dress For Less. She loved that date, she was completely and utterly blown away by a date that took me maybe 30 minutes to come up with and plan using Google Maps and talking to my buddy and maybe $60 bucks out of pocket. My competition was someone just as wealthy as her, ripped, good looking, etc...

She pursued ME.

People want what they don't have or can't have easily. While a wealthy female is not necessarily going to want a poor guy, if you think that all a woman with money wants is someone in the same class as her then you're gravely mistaken.

I'm not going to recap everything that's been said in this thread, but it's clear that there are a lot of inexperienced guys out there who actually believe that they're going to fool attractive women from wealthy families into believing they, too, are wealthy without wasting an exorbitant amount of money and time in the process.

To restate what I've said before: gaming women who are of a higher class than you is almost always a big waste of time.

Here comes the chorus of "b-b-but the l-limiting beliefs!!1"

Lol

If you're trying to fuck a girl above your class (i.e. swimming against the current of hypergamous impluses) you're going to end up one of two people:

1. Dating an ugly or borderline ugly rich girl (which are probably the ones you were dating).

2. Living life in debt as one of those 30k millionaires and eventually crashing and burning. Hard.

If you're not rich and don't live the rich life, then the women are going to be able to tell. You don't have the same nuances in behavior and taste, you don't know the same people, and don't have the same things. Trust me, they'll be able to tell.

I've also known broke dudes who have been gamed by rich girls, but this is only when the girls are the bottom of the barrel of their social cohort (i.e. ugly or suffering from severe psychological illnesses). If you're into that, then have at it I guess. You'll at least be able to brag about what her dad owns to your friends.

[SU27]

i'm a lawyer and went to an ivy league, i can confirm this makes it much easier to get into the panties of superhot white chicks who come from wealthy families. Problem is, you have to be really careful about making them think you're not a player. So if they ask you stuff like what you do on the weekends, you're better off lying and saying shit like "probably working at the office on a big merger" as opposed to "going clubbing with my boys."

[Vicious]

(05-03-2013 12:55 AM)Neuron Wrote:  

I didn't say you needed to make egregious displays of wealth, I said you actually need to be wealthy in order to get with these girls. If you're denying this, then you're denying the hypergamy theory outright which I believe is far overstepping boundaries here.

Your supposed "main squeeze" isn't an argument since it's unverifiable and you could easily be lying for internet debate points (lol), so I'm ignoring that.

People can take their pick on who to believe. A member with a dozen posts who comes on the board swinging his dick from the get-go, or someone that has been on the board for 2 years and met several other posters in person (incl Roosh).

But that's neither here nor there. No one needs to vouch for me.

But instead of trying to loosely connect what I wrote to "hypergamy theory" (first time I ever heard someone call it that) you should answer my question. How many really rich people have you actually met, talked to and gamed?

You should be laying this out instead of telling the board we can't get away with things that many posters here (many far more spectacularly than me, my claims are modest) have already done.

[Saladin]

I was hanging out with 2 guys tonight who are not rich who both date rich hotties non-exclusively. Neither of them are rich. Yes, I've seen photos and they are hot girls. They are wealthy as fuck too.

There's no need to "fool" them either. IF you're a cool guy you're probably doing some ambitious shit with your life anyway.

They are just cool guys with their shit together who also have tight game.

[eradicator]

"I am rich and I am dying."

[tbone46]

I grew up in NY suburbs and hung out with many true WASPs...the really hardcore WASPy scene is filled with guys who do a lot of drugs and drink like crazy but dont get laid alot. The guys definitely have a well defined look which is like preppy on steroids (longer hair, oxford cloth button down,beat up loafers, etc) and some of them do it well but most have no game. Also these people may be very rich but they do not like talking about money unlike other groups of rich people in NY that are more "new money"....definitely dont play up going to law school as that is as boring as it gets. At a place like Dorrians just run normal game and dont be intimidated just because you dont have a good story about getting thrown out of prep school when u were 14...these girls are tremendously bored, are sick of the type of guy described above, and respond to the same emotions all women do even tho they may be more intimidating at first.

[tbone46]

(04-13-2013 08:40 AM)BarkChompson Wrote:  

No experience with WASPs, works real well on JAPs though.

(JAP = Jewish American Princess)

JAP and WASP culture could not be more different. If you pulled up in a $200k lamborghini a JAP would love it and a WASP would be mortified. New money vs old money.

[NothingIsRealLife]

Pfft law school? What if i said "I am a ceo/10k a day" will she get down on her knees and suk my dikk right there and then?

[sexysasquatch]

(03-14-2014 02:13 PM)tbone46 Wrote:  

I grew up in NY suburbs and hung out with many true WASPs...the really hardcore WASPy scene is filled with guys who do a lot of drugs and drink like crazy but dont get laid alot. The guys definitely have a well defined look which is like preppy on steroids (longer hair, oxford cloth button down,beat up loafers, etc) and some of them do it well but most have no game. Also these people may be very rich but they do not like talking about money unlike other groups of rich people in NY that are more "new money"....definitely dont play up going to law school as that is as boring as it gets. At a place like Dorrians just run normal game and dont be intimidated just because you dont have a good story about getting thrown out of prep school when u were 14...these girls are tremendously bored, are sick of the type of guy described above, and respond to the same emotions all women do even tho they may be more intimidating at first.

What did you have in mind when you said "have game" here. Do you mean something specific like push-pull, not pedestalizing, being unavailable, or do you mean they don't have swag which comes from having had many women (which could probably only be learned by stepping outside their social circle)?

[tbone46]

(03-15-2014 05:52 PM)sexysasquatch Wrote:  

(03-14-2014 02:13 PM)tbone46 Wrote:  

I grew up in NY suburbs and hung out with many true WASPs...the really hardcore WASPy scene is filled with guys who do a lot of drugs and drink like crazy but dont get laid alot. The guys definitely have a well defined look which is like preppy on steroids (longer hair, oxford cloth button down,beat up loafers, etc) and some of them do it well but most have no game. Also these people may be very rich but they do not like talking about money unlike other groups of rich people in NY that are more "new money"....definitely dont play up going to law school as that is as boring as it gets. At a place like Dorrians just run normal game and dont be intimidated just because you dont have a good story about getting thrown out of prep school when u were 14...these girls are tremendously bored, are sick of the type of guy described above, and respond to the same emotions all women do even tho they may be more intimidating at first.

What did you have in mind when you said "have game" here. Do you mean something specific like push-pull, not pedestalizing, being unavailable, or do you mean they don't have swag which comes from having had many women (which could probably only be learned by stepping outside their social circle)?

I mean like they literally dont get laid often and dont know how to talk to women outside of their social circle. Half the guys in a place like dorrians who look cool because their super preppy look is unique to an outsider really have nothing going on with women. I am telling u i grew up in this environment and for a lot of those guys it is much more about drugs and getting fukked up then it is about women.

[germanico]

CaptainPower was banned?

I think he was a great contributor to the forum.

Well, so it goes.

[Parlay44]

Open with "Hi I'm Rich".