[bonkers]

so when a chick looks at me and smiles, (or looks once and then looks back) then I know that's a bit of an IOI and I open them more confidently.

but that rarely happens.

what usually happens is I get one look, but no smile and usually not a 2nd look. can I work with this?

question is should I be approaching these 'one-look' chicks? and should it be indirect/pet-shop? (as opposed to when a chick looks and smiles, I'm a bit more direct)

[Virtus]

In Summary

1) Be Handsome
2) Be Attractive
3) Don't be Unattractive

[presidentcarter]

Sometimes when I'm near other human beings they look at me. Is this normal?

[guerrilla]

yeah, if you be waiting for the bitches to be givin you a direct IOI you gonna be waitin a long long time.

Approach even if them hos dont be lookin at ya.

[Amigoish]

i'm average looking so girls rarely smile at me randomly. i approach them anyways.

game > smiles

[NY Digital]

(04-02-2013 07:22 PM)presidentcarter Wrote:  

Sometimes when I'm near other human beings they look at me. Is this normal?

You should see an expert about your problem.

[Nascimento]

I remember when I used to follow another game forum a year ago, one of the well established members had said this:

An IOI is useless if you don't act on it.

Chicks give IOI's daily to attractive guys they come across, consciously or not.

How often do those guys approach? If not at a night club, never.

What does that say about you? It doesn't matter if you are an ugly shit with a tire belly wearing a garbage bag for clothes and more grease on your face than KFC chicken. If you are approaching her, you are already ahead of all those other guys. You have a higher chance of fucking her than those good looking, tall guys she gives IOI's to daily, who never approach.

That's all approaching is, really. Raising your chance of fucking that girl from 0% to some positive number.

Now, combine game, a good look, basic grooming and hygiene, worked on physique, and you are raising that number even more.

Day game or night game, don't wait for IOI's. Instead, make them happen, by approaching that girl you find attractive.

[Amigoish]

(04-12-2013 09:54 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  

I remember when I used to follow another game forum a year ago, one of the well established members had said this:

An IOI is useless if you don't act on it.

Chicks give IOI's daily to attractive guys they come across, consciously or not.

How often do those guys approach? If not at a night club, never.

What does that say about you? It doesn't matter if you are an ugly shit with a tire belly wearing a garbage bag for clothes and more grease on your face than KFC chicken. If you are approaching her, you are already ahead of all those other guys. You have a higher chance of fucking her than those good looking, tall guys she gives IOI's to daily, who never approach.

That's all approaching is, really. Raising your chance of fucking that girl from 0% to some positive number.

Now, combine game, a good look, basic grooming and hygiene, worked on physique, and you are raising that number even more.

Day game or night game, don't wait for IOI's. Instead, make them happen, by approaching that girl you find attractive.

well put, mate.

[Giovonny]

If she looks at you, approach her.

If she doesn't look at you, approach her.

Those are the only rules.

If she SMILES at you, AND YOU DON'T APPROACH, consider suicide..

[Amigoish]

(04-12-2013 03:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

If she looks at you, approach her.

If she doesn't look at you, approach her.

Those are the only rules.

If she SMILES at you, AND YOU DON'T APPROACH, consider suicide..

do you change your approach if she smiles? eg. you would probably go indirect if she hadn't smiled at you, but then you went direct.

My direct game is week as hell. I just think that if I go direct I will scare all women away, even for night game. I feel that's holding me back.

[Giovonny]

(04-12-2013 04:04 PM)beltoforion Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 03:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

If she looks at you, approach her.

If she doesn't look at you, approach her.

Those are the only rules.

If she SMILES at you, AND YOU DON'T APPROACH, consider suicide..

do you change your approach if she smiles? eg. you would probably go indirect if she hadn't smiled at you, but then you went direct.

My direct game is week as hell. I just think that if I go direct I will scare all women away, even for night game. I feel that's holding me back.

If she smiles at me, I usually go direct.

Why? Because she was direct with me.

A girl smiling at you is a girl being direct with you.

[RCron]

(04-12-2013 04:12 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

If she smiles at me, I usually go direct.

Why? Because she was direct with me.

A girl smiling at you is a girl being direct with you.

I have literally never thought of it that way. So simple but dead on. All through life I've had people who didn't matter (older, women I'm not attracted to etc) tell me how handsome I am but I could count on one hand the amount of random women who smile at me during the day in the last year. On the other hand, I still don't have the balls to do an direct approach. So why should I expect that from a woman?

[Giovonny]

(04-12-2013 04:31 PM)RCron Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 04:12 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

If she smiles at me, I usually go direct.

Why? Because she was direct with me.

A girl smiling at you is a girl being direct with you.

I have literally never thought of it that way. So simple but dead on. All through life I've had people who didn't matter (older, women I'm not attracted to etc) tell me how handsome I am but I could count on one hand the amount of random women who smile at me during the day in the last year. On the other hand, I still don't have the balls to do an direct approach. So why should I expect that from a woman?

If girls tell you that you are handsome, then you are probably an above average looking guy.

Women are more insecure then men. They will rarely approach. Sometimes, they will smile at you. Eye contact means they are evaluating you.

Just keep approaching indirect until you get more comfortable with direct.

Try this direct line..

"Excuse me, can i tell you something"

She will say "sure".

"You look great today, i wanted to say hello"

"ohh, thank you", she will say.

"my name is Rcron"

"I'm Amy"

"nice to meet you amy"

Then ramble about whatever place you are at. (crowd, ambiance, weather, food, music, etc.)

Practice by doing Direct Walk-Bys.

A "direct walk by" is when you walk past a pretty girl and you say..

"hey pretty lady" -- And just keep on walking. (Unless she stops and engages you in conversation)

Or, say -- "You look nice today" -- And keep walking.

These will prepare you for the more advanced approach that I mentioned above.

[Sebastian]

You will know soon that when a girl is interested in you, she will just 'look' at you.

Is it easy for you to smile when you make an eye contact with a girl you really like?

[iknowexactly]

1) If she looks once she likes you. They have an uncanny ability to notice you before you notice her, evaluate you, and act as if you are not there if she doesn't like your looks. Don't believe it? What about all those times you try to catch a girl's eye in a cafe and after five minutes of it she doesn't look at you. She's already rejected you-- there's no way she could have missed your ogling.

2) If she looks twice she is probably consciously hoping you'll show interest.
But she will still be reserved because even after the second look 99.93% of guys WON'T SAY ANYTHING

3) They never look three times--- unless you're a rock star or they're crazy. ( A raging 6'3" muscleman expert fighter like RVF poster Fisto got all the way to Jakarta before chicks started actively opening him.)

4) They are incapable of opening you under any circumstances ---unless you're a rock star, they're crazy, or there's a social circle excuse so she has "just being friendly" deniability.

Giving a willful smile feels to her like she's lifting up her dress and saying "Please fuck your little whore, Sir" and she probably is crushed and obsesses about it later at home after she goes that far and you don't react. She swears off flirting ("guys are so dumb") , for about 10 minutes, and then starts hoping to get laid again (After which she'll bitch you're a "Jerk".)

You have only two options, be dumb or be a jerk.

5) Don't be emotionally stingy. Give the poor rabid bitch some attention. She turns into a disgusting troll forever in about 5000 days. A little later, the Giant Hand comes and we all disappear forever, as if it's some completely unfathomable joke.

[RCron]

(04-12-2013 04:48 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 04:31 PM)RCron Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 04:12 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

If she smiles at me, I usually go direct.

Why? Because she was direct with me.

A girl smiling at you is a girl being direct with you.

I have literally never thought of it that way. So simple but dead on. All through life I've had people who didn't matter (older, women I'm not attracted to etc) tell me how handsome I am but I could count on one hand the amount of random women who smile at me during the day in the last year. On the other hand, I still don't have the balls to do an direct approach. So why should I expect that from a woman?

If girls tell you that you are handsome, then you are probably an above average looking guy.

Women are more insecure then men. They will rarely approach. Sometimes, they will smile at you. Eye contact means they are evaluating you.

Just keep approaching indirect until you get more comfortable with direct.

Try this direct line..

"Excuse me, can i tell you something"

She will say "sure".

"You look great today, i wanted to say hello"

"ohh, thank you", she will say.

"my name is Rcron"

"I'm Amy"

"nice to meet you amy"

Then ramble about whatever place you are at. (crowd, ambiance, weather, food, music, etc.)

Practice by doing Direct Walk-Bys.

A "direct walk by" is when you walk past a pretty girl and you say..

"hey pretty lady" -- And just keep on walking. (Unless she stops and engages you in conversation)

Or, say -- "You look nice today" -- And keep walking.

These will prepare you for the more advanced approach that I mentioned above.

Thanks Gio. I know this is the gaping hole in my game and something I HAVE to address. Will work on this ASAP.

[Amigoish]

(04-12-2013 06:35 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

1) If she looks once she likes you. They have an uncanny ability to notice you before you notice her, evaluate you, and act as if you are not there if she doesn't like your looks. Don't believe it? What about all those times you try to catch a girl's eye in a cafe and after five minutes of it she doesn't look at you. She's already rejected you-- there's no way she could have missed your ogling.

Not sure if that's always the case. I can remember one instance where I was eating at Subway and then a cute blonde (solid 8) sat at the table on the left. The whole time she looked like a spoiled bitch and wouldn't look at anyone around, just stare at anything but you. After she finished her snack I approached

me: excuse me, i am new here, are you from Curitiba?
girl: hi! no i am not, i just moved from another city. i am new here too.
me: oh i am here just waiting for my plane in an hour or so, i like curitiba and i don't want to go. the wheather is great.
girl: where are you from?
me: xxx and you?
girl: i just moved from yyy bla bla bla
me: *moved to her table* ok, i am sitting here with you for a minute.
girl: sure blah blah blah

the girl wouldn't stop talking ... and she was friendly to talk with, despite of being in Curitiba where girls are often snobs. I wasn't expecting that. She said she needed to deliver a few documents somewhere and I said "sure, it's my way to the airport (lie), i will drive you there" , she laughed (i was on foot). To make a long story short, I really had to go to the airport and went for the kiss successfully, she said she wasn't expecting something like that. I said me neither (yeah, sure) and she gave me her # for future encounters (calling her next month as I go back to Curitiba).

Lesson learned: approach all girls you like no matter how they present themselves as.