[Bad Hussar]

Can people with some knowledge comment on the best town on the Crimean peninsula, or anywhere on the Black Sea really for a typical Roosh Forum Member in the Summer season. I am seriously considering a trip to Ukraine in Jul/Aug. Kazantip looks interesting, but maybe not 100% for me. I'd have to look into it more. Maybe just head there for a few days.

Anyway, what actual town on the Black sea would you recommend? Also, how is Kiev in the Summer? Is it like Paris in that everyone is out of town on vacation, or are things still happening?

[jimukr104]

(04-10-2013 11:11 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 02:19 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 09:00 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 02:45 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

So you paid 3000$ just to talk to some girls?

I like how you put it. Although I prefer to say "spit game to girls".
You're forgetting that not everyone is a world-class player and can close the first time they meet a girl.
I come from one of the worst cities in N. America for women (DC) so my expectations were low and when in UA getting easy numbers and make-outs from 8+ quality women came a bit as a shock to me. I do not regret that one bit. Yes, I might have spent close to $3k if one includes airfare & apartment but that also resulted in plenty of prospective relationships. Also, I set out to do more, that is scout the country (sightseeing and photography), learn about the culture, and most importantly practice my Russian language skills to get closer to fluent level (I was already advanced). Also, many of my expenses had nothing to do with game, they included sightseeing such as a private tour to Chernobyl Zone.

Here Lithuanians are regarded as fighters.A hardcore eastern European would not get out of Kiev without 3-4 bangs in his sleeve. It seems America weakens the natural tendencies you stay to respect the girls.

You read my mind Greek Kamaki, +1 Rep for that statement alone! It is true that America has made me a softer guy and a beta male and I am trying to get rid of this illness somehow.

Anyways, my original questions still remains. Can someone please post a datasheet for Odessa. I have my ticket reserved for early July and I am still not sure if day-game or night game works best there. Also, is it worth spending extra and getting an apartment on Deribasovskaya street or should I try to get something closer to the beach? Finally, is the couples/family pull during the summer really as bad as most people on the forums say? Will me going to clubs result in hitting on endless sets of mixed groups and girls with boyfriends who are just vacationing there for a short time or is there some place in Crimea where I could go for the singles scene and bypass the "family atmosphere"?

Search there are a few Odessa data sheets. But most WARN do Not go there over another location. If you want to try gaming snobbish mercenary type women where being a foreigner has Very/No value at all , then Odessa is your place.They act like Carrie Bradshaw over there. In addition the beauty is extreme there. You will see really a hot girls who you have NO chance at getting. Due to either being the property of rich guys or they are rich themselves. Plenty of women with money in Odessa. You will see them for 30 seconds when thy walk from the shoe store to the sports car lol.The problem is it actually looks like less 8's and 7's in Odessa than other places in FSU due to the women dressing more hipster like and being more sloppy then other FSU locations.

[Greek kamaki]

(04-11-2013 12:17 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

Can people with some knowledge comment on the best town on the Crimean peninsula, or anywhere on the Black Sea really for a typical Roosh Forum Member in the Summer season. I am seriously considering a trip to Ukraine in Jul/Aug. Kazantip looks interesting, but maybe not 100% for me. I'd have to look into it more. Maybe just head there for a few days.

Anyway, what actual town on the Black sea would you recommend? Also, how is Kiev in the Summer? Is it like Paris in that everyone is out of town on vacation, or are things still happening?

I have been in Koktebel and Sudak.All these places Alushta,Yalta,Koktebel,Theodosia and Sudak are very similar with very hot girls and nudist beaches close to the normal ones(there are no demarcation lines)
however girls are often with family and are not very positive to approaches.
My guess is that Yevpatoria on the other side which is the party capital of the peninsula gathers totally different crew as I had the opportunity to watch on central bus station of Sympheropol(quite a view your eyes will explode by the mesmerizing hotties taking the buses to vaccate all over the peninsula).

[Bad Hussar]

^^^ Greek Kamaki

Thanks for the info. Looks like Yevpatoriya is quite close to Popovka were Kazantip is held. Will do some more research.

Any idea what Kiev is like in the Summer?

[hayesbrandon30]

(04-10-2013 11:11 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 02:19 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 09:00 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 02:45 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

So you paid 3000$ just to talk to some girls?

I like how you put it. Although I prefer to say "spit game to girls".
You're forgetting that not everyone is a world-class player and can close the first time they meet a girl.
I come from one of the worst cities in N. America for women (DC) so my expectations were low and when in UA getting easy numbers and make-outs from 8+ quality women came a bit as a shock to me. I do not regret that one bit. Yes, I might have spent close to $3k if one includes airfare & apartment but that also resulted in plenty of prospective relationships. Also, I set out to do more, that is scout the country (sightseeing and photography), learn about the culture, and most importantly practice my Russian language skills to get closer to fluent level (I was already advanced). Also, many of my expenses had nothing to do with game, they included sightseeing such as a private tour to Chernobyl Zone.

Here Lithuanians are regarded as fighters.A hardcore eastern European would not get out of Kiev without 3-4 bangs in his sleeve. It seems America weakens the natural tendencies you stay to respect the girls.

You read my mind Greek Kamaki, +1 Rep for that statement alone! It is true that America has made me a softer guy and a beta male and I am trying to get rid of this illness somehow.

Anyways, my original questions still remains. Can someone please post a datasheet for Odessa. I have my ticket reserved for early July and I am still not sure if day-game or night game works best there. Also, is it worth spending extra and getting an apartment on Deribasovskaya street or should I try to get something closer to the beach? Finally, is the couples/family pull during the summer really as bad as most people on the forums say? Will me going to clubs result in hitting on endless sets of mixed groups and girls with boyfriends who are just vacationing there for a short time or is there some place in Crimea where I could go for the singles scene and bypass the "family atmosphere"?

yeah. somebody please weigh in on this. we know about kiev thanks to the other kiev threads., now we need to learn about other areas.

what parts are a waste of time and money?

good luck with that odessa trip man. don't hesitate to report back here on what your learned about odessa. thanks!

and i honestly feel like the whole beta and alpha male thing needs balance.

i think east europe guys are too harsh/cold/mysogonistic and we american men are feminized.

so i feel like finding a balance between the two is about right.

[Sol Invictus]

I think if someone is here for an extended period of time (at least one month), I don't see many places in Ukraine being a waste of time, including Odessa. There's a thread from a guy on one of the Russian wives forums who has been living in Odessa for several years now, and he didn't have any trouble finding women. I've been here for a month and a half now, and I'm not having trouble either. My regular girl is temporarily out of commission right now due to some extensive dental work, so I've got a number of women clamoring to meet me this weekend. Again, these are all from several Russian dating sites, so I haven't needed to do the cold approach to get any interest.

[POHammer]

Agreed. If you Have time it makes things easier.

It takes me 2-3 months of about 5 cold approaches a day to land a girl, 7 in quality.
Keep in mind this is for 18-24 year old range.

With this approach, day game is better because you weed out so many possible bad dates from online dating.
With a cold approach you filter out those girls and save time.

Eventually, it becomes easy and maybe a little fun to approach. Its a numbers game, just be confident and talk to lots of girls (the confidence comes after you've talked to your first 100 or so). Give it a go.

[hayesbrandon30]

(04-12-2013 11:55 PM)POHammer Wrote:  

Agreed. If you Have time it makes things easier.

It takes me 2-3 months of about 5 cold approaches a day to land a girl, 7 in quality.

Keep in mind this is for 18-24 year old range.

With this approach, day game is better because you weed out so many possible bad dates from online dating.
With a cold approach you filter out those girls and save time.

Eventually, it becomes easy and maybe a little fun to approach. Its a numbers game, just be confident and talk to lots of girls (the confidence comes after you've talked to your first 100 or so). Give it a go.

interesting info, thanks for saying this what parts of Ukraine have you been to where you did this? You're not a fan of having good contacts and/or wing-men/women? and speaking russian and gaming women in their language?

[Sol Invictus]

Well, just met with girl #2 tonight. This one is actually brand new, unlike many of the others. I found her on a Russian dating site geared for foreigners (aka Western men), and she wasted no time expressing interest. Time from first contact on the site to meeting her was two days. I thought she was a scammer at first, as her pics made her out to be a solid 8/possible 9, and on top of that she asked me for $$ for taxi fare (she lives in a small village 50km from here). I was highly skeptical, and even told her to go find someone else to scam, but she persisted. She came over for about 3 hours, and just left. Nothing happened other than talking and kissing, but that's still more than I expected. What surprised me more, though, was when she spotted some dirty dishes in my sink. She dropped what she was doing and washed them for me. I told her she didn't have to, but, of course, she insisted. Ukrainian women must be addicted to soap suds, or something...

Now, though, I'm starting to run into the problem I had in the US when I'd pipeline multiple girls online. Plans are starting to conflict. There's another girl who has been wanting to meet me for several weeks now, and the only time that works well for both of us is on Sundays. I already had to cancel plans with her several weeks ago after staying over at girl #1's house for longer than expected. Now, girl #2 wants to meet up with me tomorrow morning. No big deal, right? Wrong. I'm scheduled to meet the one I canceled on already (we'll call her girl #3) tomorrow afternoon. Girl #2 not only wants to meet me tomorrow, but already informed me she's going to spend the night with me. Girl #3 has made no such commitment yet, of course. Girl #3 isn't that high in the looks department. She's pretty, a little overweight, but carries her curves very well, if you know what I mean. Just how I like em, in fact. Girl #2 is easily an 8, though, and has an incredible body, and is gorgeous. She fits my looks criteria to a tee. So now I'll have to cancel AGAIN on girl #3, unless #2 flakes out tomorrow. So, we'll see....

[hayesbrandon30]

Good job man. we're proud of you!. every time i hear stories like this about american guys makin' it happen, it just gives me a boost emotionally. It makes me sure about doing this myself.

[Sol Invictus]

Wow, haven't updated this thread in a while. Things have been changing a bit here. I've met more women, and have a few new ones who I've met, but have also seen the previous girls I mentioned pretty much just disappear. I gotta say, bitches here be crazy. They're flaky as all fuck, and their minds change with the wind. For those expecting Ukraine to be a pussy paradise, you'll find a bit of that, but you have your fair share of negatives to put up with as well.

[samsamsam]

Sol, btw I think your blog is pretty awesome. Been reading it since you started this thread. Keep it up!

[thegmanifesto]

(05-06-2013 04:37 PM)Sol Invictus Wrote:  

Wow, haven't updated this thread in a while. Things have been changing a bit here. I've met more women, and have a few new ones who I've met, but have also seen the previous girls I mentioned pretty much just disappear. I gotta say, bitches here be crazy. They're flaky as all fuck, and their minds change with the wind. For those expecting Ukraine to be a pussy paradise, you'll find a bit of that, but you have your fair share of negatives to put up with as well.

Can you break this down a little more?

[Sol Invictus]

(05-06-2013 05:33 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Can you break this down a little more?

Don't have time right now to go into much detail as I'm about to crash, but flakiness is the #1 problem here. I've been stood up about 3 or 4 times now, and have also run into my share of gold-diggers, of which there is certainly no lack of here. I wouldn't say it's the majority of the women, but a sizeable percentage. It's easy to spot them whenever there's a romance/marriage tour in town, as they're all congregating around the main hotel in the city center.

[BCZalgyris]

(05-06-2013 06:22 PM)Sol Invictus Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 05:33 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Can you break this down a little more?

Don't have time right now to go into much detail as I'm about to crash, but flakiness is the #1 problem here. I've been stood up about 3 or 4 times now, and have also run into my share of gold-diggers, of which there is certainly no lack of here. I wouldn't say it's the majority of the women, but a sizeable percentage. It's easy to spot them whenever there's a romance/marriage tour in town, as they're all congregating around the main hotel in the city center.

Flakiness is a problem? I think your lack of good Russian is your #1 obstacle unless you are still trying to improve your game based on your young age.
No diss my man but your complaining sounds amateurish. I can only imagine what would happen to you if you grew up in my city (Washington, DC)...you'd probably be depressed 24-7. To me Ukraine was the greatest country on earth for women but then again that rating might go down as I expect a tougher challenge in Crimea in July.
Btw, I'm not a great looking guy, nor do I approach much but my conversion rate as far as getting numbers and dates (not bangs) was like a good NBA free throw shooter when I was there. Looking for women online when you're already in Ukraine is like a hunter trying to kill a buffalo with a bow and arrow. Sure it might happen (and you might hit a bullzeye with that mythic 9+) but you are wasting way too much time and energy! You should bring a high powered rifle to the hunt and blast away at the grazing grounds; when I was in Kiev in March I found out that just a night out for a couple hours at a happening club resulted in multiple numbers and dates the next day. Only way I would ever game online is in my current situation where I am stuck in miserable USA thousands of miles away otherwise the women you meet online and "God forbid marriage sites" is worse than what you see on the ground (malls, cafes, bars, popular pedestrian promenades, etc.).

[jimukr104]

To the above Kiev has Anglo groupies. Province is harder. Partly due to language issue and NOT liking foreigners. It doesn't help OP that he is in southern UKraine in the region that has over a decade of marriage agency pollution. On a side note his city have chicks that have a mental complex due to distance from odessA. If odessans are the w

[jimukr104]

Worst in fsu. nIkoliev can have some of the noise. Just my observation. Been in NIk a few times. Didn't impress me. I dislike southern Ukraine although I own property and my wife is from there.

[POHammer]

I have no sympathy for someone who can't go out and do daygame or hit the bars. Zero.

It takes effort, but it is possible to get rid of your fear and talk and meet new people.

This is coming from a guy who used to be afraid of making a phone call becuase of fear of embarassment and whose palms would grt sweaty just from speaking with a cashier.

Its not like growing a foot taller or becoming a champion football player...those things may be genetically impossible for some.

But going out and talking to people in real life is very possible if you put in effort!

[POHammer]

I have no sympathy for someone who can't go out and do daygame or hit the bars. Zero.

It takes effort, but it is possible to get rid of your fear and talk and meet new people.

This is coming from a guy who used to be afraid of making a phone call becuase of fear of embarassment.

Its not like growing a foot taller or becoming a champion football player...those things may be genetically impossible for some.

But going out and talking to people in real life is very possible if you put in effort!

[thegmanifesto]

(05-07-2013 05:56 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

I have no sympathy for someone who can't go out and do daygame or hit the bars. Zero.

It takes effort, but it is possible to get rid of your fear and talk and meet new people.

This is coming from a guy who used to be afraid of making a phone call becuase of fear of embarassment.

Its not like growing a foot taller or becoming a champion football player...those things may be genetically impossible for some.

But going out and talking to people in real life is very possible if you put in effort!

What is this directed towards?

Or who?

[POHammer]

(05-07-2013 07:22 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 05:56 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

I have no sympathy for someone who can't go out and do daygame or hit the bars. Zero.

It takes effort, but it is possible to get rid of your fear and talk and meet new people.

This is coming from a guy who used to be afraid of making a phone call becuase of fear of embarassment.

Its not like growing a foot taller or becoming a champion football player...those things may be genetically impossible for some.

But going out and talking to people in real life is very possible if you put in effort!

What is this directed towards?

Or who?

The guy who started this thread, who is stickingbto internet game despite people repeatedly telling him to talk to real people in day or night game.

[Sol Invictus]

Some good points made here.

First of all, I wasn't looking for sympathy of any kind, I was just blowing off steam. Having said that, though, it's not like I haven't had any luck here. I've had numerous meetings with women, have kissed many of them, and banged two. If I was going for a high number of bangs, I could have had more. My focus has been more on quality, not quantity.

However, several of you are right. I need to be meeting more devushki out in the streets, not just online. My poor knowledge of Russian really hurts me in this area. I've done a few approaches, and scored several numbers, but that's been the extent of it. I've been able to make up for my lack of Russian somewhat with using Google Translate on my phone and iPad (Girl#1 didn't speak any English whatsoever), but again, this is no substitute for speaking better Russian. I need more speaking practice, as I read and write Russian much better than I understand it when spoken. That's something I'm working on right now.

A girl who works at one of my favorite lunch hangouts has been showing interest in me lately, so I'm probably gonna get to work on her. I've also got a few other women I've met up with who are begging me to meet up with them again, so I might do that given the free time this week due to the holiday. I've just been putting them on the backburner due to their "seriousness". They're all around my same age, and women here in their mid-30s don't fuck around when it comes to finding an LTR.

[POHammer]

(05-07-2013 08:32 AM)Sol Invictus Wrote:  

Some good points made here.

First of all, I wasn't looking for sympathy of any kind, I was just blowing off steam. Having said that, though, it's not like I haven't had any luck here. I've had numerous meetings with women, have kissed many of them, and banged two. If I was going for a high number of bangs, I could have had more. My focus has been more on quality, not quantity.

However, several of you are right. I need to be meeting more devushki out in the streets, not just online. My poor knowledge of Russian really hurts me in this area. I've done a few approaches, and scored several numbers, but that's been the extent of it. I've been able to make up for my lack of Russian somewhat with using Google Translate on my phone and iPad (Girl#1 didn't speak any English whatsoever), but again, this is no substitute for speaking better Russian. I need more speaking practice, as I read and write Russian much better than I understand it when spoken. That's something I'm working on right now.

A girl who works at one of my favorite lunch hangouts has been showing interest in me lately, so I'm probably gonna get to work on her. I've also got a few other women I've met up with who are begging me to meet up with them again, so I might do that given the free time this week due to the holiday. I've just been putting them on the backburner due to their "seriousness". They're all around my same age, and women here in their mid-30s don't fuck around when it comes to finding an LTR.

You could be going for younger girls and doing well too.

If you're targeting mid 30s girls....it should be extremely easy. After all, they only have 5 years left to have a child, they know they can end up childless.

I didnt mean to imply you need sympathy, just that at mid 30s, you are in your prime and you could be doing a lot better than you are right now. Don't hold yourself back.

[Sol Invictus]

(05-07-2013 10:10 AM)POHammer Wrote:  

You could be going for younger girls and doing well too.

If you're targeting mid 30s girls....it should be extremely easy. After all, they only have 5 years left to have a child, they know they can end up childless.

I didnt mean to imply you need sympathy, just that at mid 30s, you are in your prime and you could be doing a lot better than you are right now. Don't hold yourself back.

Yes, you're right, I could be doing much better. I've typically avoided girls younger than 25, but may start targeting some younger than that. There have been several girls at the school who are in their early 20s that have expressed interest in me, but I've avoided them on purpose. And yes, women in their mid 30s are definitely easier targets, but they're all looking for serious relationships, which is why I've got them all on the backburner. I'm not against serious, but I want to have my fun first.

[jimukr104]

i read your blog. I like it. But I some how get the sense you are very critical of other foreigners and expats that are in your city. To be honest I never ran ino an American in NIK but I know the city,like most of south Ukraine is a mecca for marriage business, but wait until the Turkish ferry comes during the summer lol. You mentioned the loud American talking on the phone for example But to be honest that is actually a pick up tactic that guys use there.I myself used that tactic 10 years ago. It works.If you are new at this you should have gotten a job in Kiev. kiev would be better for you and you will get paid more. Teachers make shitty salaries in Ukraine and I personally can't see an English teacher winning love based on the provider mentality they have there. You should mention you are a business man(investor and that you teach because you are bored etc. I think a teacher in the province makes less than 200 a month.A native English teacher in your city has to be making under 800 a month(i could be off). I am basing my guess based on my friend who owned a school in Odessa and salary was 800 in 2006, but IH paid 500 a month.His school chain pays the most in the country.Nik is not a one horse town. They are almost a suburb of Odessa. People actually commute daily to work in Odessa. If you don't believe me look at the many marshukas running during rush hour to Odessa.Also Nik has a high paying occupation, sailor, that many of the guys work in. What this means is that you are in a city where guys have deent money and like most of Ukraine being foreigner isn't so COOL anymore. But its worst in Nik because of the amount of foreign sailors, Turkish tourists and snobby Odessa mentality due to being close by Odessa that makes it more worst for you. I know Odessans are flakey so I can imagine Nik gals not far behind.
If you do street game , just keep going until you get an English speaker. Google translate game , although successful sometimes actually wastes time and limits you.While you are wasting time trying to communicate that ONE English speaker is walking by. Deb was right, keep hitting on them until you get one you can speak to.