[LucienM]

All this talk got me thinking..

Is there something to believe in here?

What I'm talking about, is a philosophy which encapsulates, embraces, develops and sustains the redpill (for shorthand, anyway) in such a way that only minor disagreements/viewpoint differentiation would still be active? I.e. the 'major thread' we're all deep believers of.

I'm wondering here about redpill literature and art throughout the ages. The Jungian modern man, aspiring to Nietzchian levels of human heroicism.. the list of possibilities could go on and on - along with arguments for and against I would imagine.

Can we compile a list of 'redpill artwork/literature'? Or at least 'possible' redpill works? Historical (and - why not - contemporary) works that have shaped the passion of the modern mind? (or shall I say 'Western mind'?) - but which also fully embrace that passion which has ensured the sustainability of the human race itself, much of which is denied by PC culture, or condemned as 'antisocial', etc.

('The Passion of the Western Mind is the title of book by Richard Tarnas, subtitle 'understanding the ideas that have shaped our world view', top notch)

Is there redpill in the Bible? In Shakespeare? Philosophers? Were the Italian Futurists (1909-1920s) redpill, for example? Hemingway? Faulkner? Possible examples abound.

Just what are we talking about here? Who should we consider the greats? Any required reading that has previously gone unconsidered and unread to our totally unnecessary detriment as awake men? Can this thought be further developed (for example, perhaps in such a way that this development of thought would of its own accord render extreme feminism forever as laughable as the flat earth society)?

Is 'redpill' actually that which has sustained all of human history, only up until very recent times? (if so, than this argument could in and of itself be very elegantly developed I would imagine - for example, if this is true, than aren't movements like all waves of feminism a deeply immoral betrayal of ourselves? Is liberalism?)

Any thoughts?

[Martel]

The Red Pill is an aspect of Aristotle's "A is A." Things are what they are, not what we wish them to be. In fact, your only hope of making something into what you want it to be is to recognize first what it actually is.

A is A includes physical law and the like, but also human nature. Men and women are inherently different, and we neither can nor should wish that away.

[Martel]

Regarding works of literature, I recommend Thackeray's "Vanity Fair", LaClos's "Dangerous Liaisons" (book more insightful than the movie), Stendahl's "The Red and the Black", and Kesey's "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" (the book's way more intense than the movie, and McMurphy epitomizes the alpha archetype).

The best Red Pill movie I've seen that almost nobody mentions is "In the Company of Men." Chad is the alpha archetype, Howard the beta, and Christine the "good girl". It's BRUTAL. Chad's final scene IS what it means to be alpha, and the ending is the pain of the beta encapsulized.

And not to start a theological debate, but there's also Genesis. Adam (ancient hebrew for Man) fell because he failed a shit-test.

[Mr.Barbarian]

I think this is all pretty well developed already--I normally suppress my own urges to organize attempts to compile reading lists or say what it's all about, because it has been done already, many times over. But I support all pursuits in this direction.

If you're going to mention Aristotle, don't forget Plato. They go together. Plato's allegory of the cave is something everyone is familiar with, and it may seem tired, but it pretty much nails what we are and what we're doing.

[LucienM]

Any suggestions for leading historical figures?

btw for me the Italian Futurists were always the most fascinating 20th century art movement. their 1909 manifesto is well worth reading ('war is man's only hygiene' always stuck out in my mind)

[Mr.Barbarian]

Hells yeah, Futurists.

[LucienM]

Quote:

MANIFESTO OF FUTURISM

1. We intend to sing the love of danger, the habit of energy and fearlessness.

2. Courage, audacity, and revolt will be essential elements of our poetry.

3. Up to now literature has exalted a pensive immobility, ecstasy, and sleep. We intend to exalt aggresive action, a feverish insomnia, the racer’s stride, the mortal leap, the punch and the slap.

4. We affirm that the world’s magnificence has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. A racing car whose hood is adorned with great pipes, like serpents of explosive breath—a roaring car that seems to ride on grapeshot is more beautiful than the Victory of Samothrace.

5. We want to hymn the man at the wheel, who hurls the lance of his spirit across the Earth, along the circle of its orbit.

6. The poet must spend himself with ardor, splendor, and generosity, to swell the enthusiastic fervor of the primordial elements.

7. Except in struggle, there is no more beauty. No work without an aggressive character can be a masterpiece. Poetry must be conceived as a violent attack on unknown forces, to reduce and prostrate them before man.

8. We stand on the last promontory of the centuries!... Why should we look back, when what we want is to break down the mysterious doors of the Impossible? Time and Space died yesterday. We already live in the absolute, because we have created eternal, omnipresent speed.

9. We will glorify war—the world’s only hygiene—militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of freedom-bringers, beautiful ideas worth dying for, and scorn for woman.

10. We will destroy the museums, libraries, academies of every kind, will fight moralism, feminism, every opportunistic or utilitarian cowardice.

11. We will sing of great crowds excited by work, by pleasure, and by riot; we will sing of the multicolored, polyphonic tides of revolution in the modern capitals; we will sing of the vibrant nightly fervor of arsenals and shipyards blazing with violent electric moons; greedy railway stations that devour smoke-plumed serpents; factories hung on clouds by the crooked lines of their smoke; bridges that stride the rivers like giant gymnasts, flashing in the sun with a glitter of knives; adventurous steamers that sniff the horizon; deep-chested locomotives whose wheels paw the tracks like the hooves of enormous steel horses bridled by tubing; and the sleek flight of planes whose propellers chatter in the wind like banners and seem to cheer like an enthusiastic crowd.

[king]

Some works of literature that come to my mind:

- The Bible (specially the old testament)
- The Oddissey
- Iliad
- Greek Philosophers (Stoics, Aristotle)
- Schopenhauer
- All of Nietzsche