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Racism in Kiev and other observations
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Racism in Kiev and other observations

Being from Ukraine. A girl would be considered "damaged goods" if she was found to have slept with a black guy. So if you find a girl that is non-racist, very much unlike the rest of my countryfolk, then you also have to make sure that she is sooooo far away from her social circle that even being seen with a black guy is a non issue.. I'd say there are easier places than former western USSR
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#27

Racism in Kiev and other observations

I saw Blacks with hot girls in Kiev in clubs like Carribean.The mistake of the OP was to be more preoccupied with the adventures of his friend instead of going solo and clear.Having a wingman does not help in Ukraine unless he can contribute to the flow of cash.
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Racism in Kiev and other observations

Quote: (03-28-2013 07:25 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

Being from Ukraine... I'd say there are easier places than former western USSR

can you tell us where ?
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Racism in Kiev and other observations

I'm an Afr-Am guy, and I read all the posts on Kiev (and Ukraine). I really don't feel that it's worth it for Black guys to roll thru because of all the racist hostility directed at people of color.

A much better idea for Black guys who wanna step to Ukrainian chicks is to pipeline, and try find out which countries they go to when they leave the Ukraine, and hook up with them outside Ukraine.
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#30

Racism in Kiev and other observations

I've noticed quite a few Africans here in my city in Ukraine. Not a significant portion of the populace by any means, but I usually see one or two a day. I've seen several of them walking around with young hotties attached to their arms. As far as racial prejudice from the locals, though, I really can't comment on that.
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#31

Racism in Kiev and other observations

I have not been to Kiev myself but I have middle aged African-American friend that was in Kiev working for the US Gov and he told me that he noticed the racism at the Airport from the police even thou he had a Goverment passport. I didnt realy want to believe him but he is a very stand-up kind of guy. I think the women would like to try to go out a nice/smart black man but the men there would hate on the women so bad that its not worth it for them. I have met women from EE in western Europe and in the USA and they all seam very interested in Friendly black men. I also had 2 female German language teachers that where from Russia and where very friendly with me ( yes Iam black). One of them was even dating a black man at the time. The one that was dating a black man told me ( after I asked about me visiting Russia or the Ukraine) " Its probably not a good Idea" then she thought about it and the other teacher chimed in and they both agreed it depended where you go. Them seem to agree that parts of Moscow would be ok . It kinda gave me the impression that I was better off going for EE women that were already in the west.
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Racism in Kiev and other observations

Quote: (04-03-2013 09:12 AM)Global Baller Wrote:  

I'm an Afr-Am guy, and I read all the posts on Kiev (and Ukraine). I really don't feel that it's worth it for Black guys to roll thru because of all the racist hostility directed at people of color.

A much better idea for Black guys who wanna step to Ukrainian chicks is to pipeline, and try find out which countries they go to when they leave the Ukraine, and hook up with them outside Ukraine.

i do know for a fact that many Ukraine ladies vacation in a place called Maldives.






and also Russian and Ukraine people like to vacation at Dominican Republic resorts.






my two cents:

i believe that men of color can be successful there in some capacity in Ukraine, but it is a given that we MUST have good contacts before we go there and you have to bring your A-game too and present a good-clean image and you have to go to the correct places to ensure things will go well. And i think this is possibly where many men of color who don't understand the environment mess up who are visiting there for short periods.

it's crucial to ask alot of questions, make good local friends there with local people there who will introduce you to their social circle and play the role of wingman. And as roosh has taught us, we have to have a good excuse to be there in a place like Kiev other than being there to chat up the women because the girls there suspect that all foreigners are potential sex tourists. and being a non-white foreigner adds to the resisteance.

i have learned that ukraine some girls are very curious and would be open to banging a black man and don't care that he is there just to laid, they may just want to experience banging a black guy or want make their local ex-boyfriend jealous. but these types of girls tend to be the ukraine man's leftovers (5's and 6's) as opposed to the girls in the 8-9 range.

And not speaking fluent russian will make everything much harder. i'm learning russian language right now.

the one thing i have learned about Ukranians and the whole way they see life is that they have a huge distrust of people who they don't know very well. Some girls know english and understand americans will be more open, but not all. And we agree that the sex tourist aspect of kiev and ukraine really is a problem.

i have learned that in their culture - so many girls have had almost no exposure to men of color in certain places. And the images of black men they actually do see, tend to be the negative stereotypical images.

i also see the other side of the issue is that the population of Ukraine girls who actually do like men of color tend to be hip hop lovers and intense thug lovers. not all but so many of the younger girls are attracted to the hip hop thug image. its actually an innocent fascination/attraction/fetish some of them have.

i know a young black american guy who lives in Chicago with his cutie russian girl who he brought over and he said this to me extacly:

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Russian and Ukraine girls who like black men tend to be attracted to the thug stereotype because it's all they see on the tv. my wife and a few of her friends were the same way, but i assure you, it's just a short phase. my wife is now ashamed for ever liking the thug type of black guy. she didn't know good /clean black guys like us even existed. they don't have any exposure to black americans, so they really don't know any better. once they get to know you, they will see that you have much better qualities than any thug.

my observation is this. the integrated parts of Kiev and the more integrated parts of the country (lugansk, dontest, deniprotovsk) have a large population of africans who are imitating the thug life style and the young girls who are open minded get exposed to black men in this manner.

So it can be misleading to See both good looking african guys and unattractive africans guys ( thug types and regular looking) banging beautiful 7's and 8's in Kiev and other places. its very misleading to black men from other countries.

it creates a false impression that good looking non-white guys can just hop on a plane and visit there and have a hot woman very easily. It could happen but there are so many potential environemntal factors working against non-white men that getting beyond the 7 to 8 range or even doing well period can be very very tricky.

i know a african guy in his 40's who visits kiev every summer. he doesn't speak russian at all. he's a very average looking and he doesn't really have superb fashion male fashion either, but he has a very good contact there who is from Nigeria. a popular rapper / Mc who lives in the center of the city.

And basically my african friend gets his Nigerian buddy's leftover girls. plain and simple. he simply gets an apartment there, stays for a month and he doesn't do any of the preparations like having a good excuse to be there or anything. the rapper dj guy literally calls up girls and plays the wing man and passes down left-over girls to my african friend. my african friend is not always successful but he does bang women when he goes there.

in his case he gets lucky and continues to amaze me in that he can unknowingly avoid hype of racism & rejection and get laid every time he goes. not all of the women he sleeps with are 8's though. some of them are plain looking but he does pretty well for a guy who breaks all the rules.

and it all comes from him having a good contact/wingman and going to the right place. and then just pure luck.

so i guess its a question of how hard does a black man who is a foreigner want to work to get a beautiful ukraine girl who is a 8 or 9.

i like an adventure so i'm willing to make all the necessary preparations and make the effort to place myself in the right situation because. i don't know of any other place that has the surplus of beautiful women that ukraine has concentrated in one place. and until i see see a place that is comparable to ukraine, i will continue to pursue ukraine.

and if average to not-so-good looking african guys who speak russian can do well there...with alittle effort, i feel that i can too, with some effort.

i could be wrong but i really feel the OP's friend made some bad decisions to drink the way he did in anew place with people he didn't know and didn't have local contacts to help guide him to the right place and to help introduce him to the right type of ladies. but i'm just speculating.

so it can be hard to differentiate between open minded curious girls vs. the girls who have no desire for a man of color.

but Global Baller has a good idea too. Find out where they vacation at and go there. he he..good idea.

i'm considering vacationing there and taking photos and posting photos of myself there as authentic proof that i actually visit there
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Racism in Kiev and other observations

HB30

Great thoughts. I will add the scoring at 8 or 9 regardless of your race unless it is P4P is not easy in IMHO for Ukraine. Building social contacts is the key before arriving but if she thinks your a short term visitor it will be difficult too. The hotties ( 8 & 9's) are usually the same all over and in demand especially by local guys. Like Roosh pointed out pipelining on the internet is the key especially for black guys. For instance I met a 22 year old girl from Mamba. She was about a 6-7 and only dates black guys usually Nigerian students. Try to find the "groupie".
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Racism in Kiev and other observations

Quote: (04-03-2013 04:51 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

HB30

Great thoughts. I will add the scoring at 8 or 9 regardless of your race unless it is P4P is not easy in IMHO for Ukraine. Building social contacts is the key before arriving but if she thinks your a short term visitor it will be difficult too. The hotties ( 8 & 9's) are usually the same all over and in demand especially by local guys. Like Roosh pointed out pipelining on the internet is the key especially for black guys. For instance I met a 22 year old girl from Mamba. She was about a 6-7 and only dates black guys usually Nigerian students. Try to find the "groupie".

Good points about the p4p issue. its shame that us foreign men of color have to resort to these tactics to get around the p4p issue. but i suppose that this is the price we payto achieve a sought after commodity. which is a girl who is an 8 or 9 level of beauty.

I actually live in Maryland/DC and there is a strong population of russians and ukranians that actually live here that have contact with friends and family back in Ukraine and places like Kiev and other places.

i was chattitng with a girl once online who lives in Kiev who claimed that she talks to her russian/ukraine friends who live in my city regularly.

And i have an idea. Once i finish learning russian language i will attempt to become an english tutor in my free time. and work for an organization on the side that teaches english for those slavic people who are here from ukraine & russia who are learning english/settling here. And in truth i actually like learning new languages anyways so i will study other languages too. That will be my excuse, but the truth is...it's all a game to make this shit happen.

i really feel that if i can build up contacts with nice ukranians and nice russians (male & female) and maybe even africans black guys who went to school in Ukraine and russia who now live here in the USA. I feel i can begin from there. along with using the internet too.

ideally men of color should become friends with black guys like the one in this clip here who live in ukraine/russia, speak russian and have connections.






You have to trade something over to these guys and become "cool" with them to the point where they don't mind hooking you up. you to give them something that they want.

also i think the OP mentioned that being a good dancer and being artistic is something that russian/ukraine ladies find attractive. well..luckily for me i'm a pretty good dancer and i'm seriously considering working with a dance instructor sometime in the future to improve my style.

so the bottom line is...its better to over-prepare than it is to under-prepare. Yes. men of color have to WORK HARDER

i think the hardest part is telling apart the open minded ukraine girls from the ones who are more racist. they all look super sexy and beautiful.

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but if we make the right moves and put the work in, we will be rewarded handsomely!


and to be honest i don't mind working hard for something, if i get rewarded for my actions.

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Racism in Kiev and other observations

Hayes, good post. I know you haven't been to UA yet but many of your assumptions are correct. You nailed it on the spot when you said:

"and it all comes from him having a good contact/wingman and going to the right place. and then just pure luck."

If I were you I would get in contact with the Nigerian rapper and see which clubs he will be performing at during the summer. Then I would hit those clubs as I can assure you the women who will be frequenting those nights might have a preference for hip-hop culture and want to meet/fool around with a black guy.

Based on my observations it's the younger girls who seem to be more interested. The issue is finding that type of girl and club, which is easier said than done. I went for example to a dance club called "Boom Boom Room" in Kiev where I was probably the 2nd oldest cat in the place (I am 34). The ratio was about 70% female and most seemed around 19-23 years of age. I did not like the young age, music, and was completely sober while my Nigerian friend came in with a "I don't give an F" attitude . He was the only minority guy in the club and was able to dance and chit-chat with quite a few girls and do a few number closes, while at Club Decadence which on paper seems to be a better place as it's near city center, full of foreigners, and has an older more diverse crowd you'd think he would do well but even suited he completely struck out except for a proposition by a semi-pro.

Thus Kiev is a very strange place indeed, but that exotic factor of the city is what makes me dream of re-visiting it again this summer.
If I had to repeat my experience again I believe the main approach [Image: idea.gif] would be to do more day-game and less night game. Acting as a confused tourist, asking for directions from the beautiful dames who walk Kreschatik up and down works well there. As for pipe-lining it would definitely work better for those who do not speak the language or the more passive brothers on this forum.
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