[surfallday]

Last minute resistance. If you get to the level in your game where you are being called out on being a effective (player) you will likely deal with this phenom. For me its always a surprise. How can someone basically get to such a level intimacy that the only reason that you havent done it yet is - a technicality, and then with a straight face make some point about how whats about to take place - shouldnt. Like everything in the game theres no magic formula here. But one thing i think is effective is surprise. Most people including me will want to go logical and explain how rediculous the situation is, unfortunately thats expected of you. So you need to do something different. Jokes can work to an extent but probably more will be needed. I assume that what stops the person who throws LMR at you is a set of assumptions about you. Break them effectively and youre set. You need to know what these assumptions are. Likely - its gonna be something along the lines of - you just wanting the physical part of the relationship without the other parts. Its your job to find out what other parts, and surprisingly inform her, that youre on the same page

peanut butter jelly time

[Roosh]

Your post is very theoretical. Do you have a specific example?

[surfallday]

(08-13-2008 09:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Your post is very theoretical. Do you have a specific example?

yes, i was with a girl whom i banged in the past, and i got LMR literally last minute. her comment was - i decided to not have "empty sex", which totally surprised me. So at first i was like - are you serious? were not "having sex" on a technicality.... which didnt seem to make any difference. but after explaining why it wasnt empty we proceeded as normal

[Roosh]

"No you're right I don't want to have empty sex either."

There's a lot of ways to skin a cat but that's what I would have said.

Dealing with LMR is a balance between seeming like you don't want it while simultaneously progressing to the next stage. Like I teach in Bang, treat it like a video game and AGREE with her objections, while still pushing for it anyway.

The final piece of the puzzle is turning her to such a degree that she can't resist.. due to good kissing technique and the right level of inebriation.

[soup]

(08-14-2008 10:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

"No you're right I don't want to have empty sex either."

There's a lot of ways to skin a cat but that's what I would have said.

Dealing with LMR is a balance between seeming like you don't want it while simultaneously progressing to the next stage. Like I teach in Bang, treat it like a video game and AGREE with her objections, while still pushing for it anyway.

The final piece of the puzzle is turning her to such a degree that she can't resist.. due to good kissing technique and the right level of inebriation.

Pulled a girl offline today and got her out to a bar, bounced to another, back to my house, and then LMR.

I'm trying to figure out at what stage of the pickup I inadvertantly planted the LMR seed.

Some suspects: Originally, I suggested we meet for an early drink, and she responded by asking if we could meet at 10pm. I said yes to this. Now, this is a Friday night, so did I just beta myself by agreeing to meet up on party night? I've been getting a lot of girls asking if we can meet on Fridays and Saturdays. I know it's not good for me to suggest that, but is it cool to do it if they suggest that they are available to meet?

I have a feeling that I also allowed to much PDA at the 2nd bar, and maybe this satiated her need for attention and made me look desperate or something.

That said, if I get her back to my house, does whatever happened on those early stages even matter? Is it like a videogame where once you pass a level, you start with a fresh energy bar despite what you were down to at the end of the previous levell, or can earlier missteps continue with you?

Also, should I even bother getting in touch with her again, or should I just move on? Would it be an escalation towards a bang or would I be setting myself up to get tooled because I let things get too far without accomplishing the bang.

Also, is alcohol always necessary? Another thing, does dry humping hurt or help get the bang?

This is sort of time sensitive as I am trying to rack up 20 bangs by the end of the year. I'm at 19 and don't want to waste time.