[liberman]

(03-21-2013 05:38 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

One thing that does intrigue the hell out of me is the ideal of looking up in the sky and seeing the earth as just another point of light in a stary sky. Earth would probably look like a bright blue star from the surface of Mars. Can you just imagine that? Everything you've ever known being reduced to a point of light in the sky?

   

   

Earth seen from 6,000,000,000 km from earth.

[guerrilla]

(03-21-2013 08:03 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

Notice that there is not one single aeronautical engineer on their team. You would be entrusting your life to an astrophysicist, a doctor, an entrepreneur (who's built wind turbines), a finance guy, a concept artist, and two marketing chicks. There is no one on this team that actually has any relevant experience of how to build a spaceship or space colony.

I would know how to build one.

[FretDancer]

(03-21-2013 09:25 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 08:03 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

Notice that there is not one single aeronautical engineer on their team. You would be entrusting your life to an astrophysicist, a doctor, an entrepreneur (who's built wind turbines), a finance guy, a concept artist, and two marketing chicks. There is no one on this team that actually has any relevant experience of how to build a spaceship or space colony.

I would know how to build one.

Why don't you bust out a datasheet for that one.

[Duke Castile]

(03-21-2013 07:50 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 07:17 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Dash just completed his Mars data sheet he shored 2 and banged out 3 semi pros. Saw it this morning

Dude, I read the "Action Against Banning Dash" thread for the first time last night. Wow, I spent a couple hours just going through the threads you guys posted, laughing my ass off. Apparently he's a historian, the overall judge of what's a 10, a casanova that can't get laid in Colombia or Korea, but in Brazil he just murders it, minimum HB 6-8 every night. A professional at shoring. And apparently, Hitler was a commie bastard. Damn i had fun reading those threads.

Dash makes the most interesting man seem dull. He got so upset when I said he had "the most annoying style of writing". He had a meltdown complete with every grammatical error you can think of while he was saying "what the fuck does that even mean!!!!"

I was in tears.

[speakeasy]

(03-21-2013 09:23 PM)liberman Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 05:38 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

One thing that does intrigue the hell out of me is the ideal of looking up in the sky and seeing the earth as just another point of light in a stary sky. Earth would probably look like a bright blue star from the surface of Mars. Can you just imagine that? Everything you've ever known being reduced to a point of light in the sky?

Earth seen from 6,000,000,000 km from earth.

Yes. Have you ever heard Carl Sagan's soliloquy on this photo? It is truly one of the most moving things I've ever heard. Everyone should hear it at least once.

[InternationPlayboy]

(03-22-2013 12:24 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Yes. Have you ever heard Carl Sagan's soliloquy on this photo? It is truly one of the most moving things I've ever heard. Everyone should hear it at least once.

This is a cool video

[bojangles]

one of our crafts has left the solar system, it's quite disappointing that man has not visited Mars yet.

[Emancipator]

Shame that Mars One is a scam, 2023 is way too early for a company that hasn't done any real work except sell merchandise, put out some fancy design work from a man in Canada and one that has a team largely filled with Graphic designers and Communications majors dedicated to Marketing and PR work. A team that has no pilots, no engineers, no astronauts, no rocket scientists. If they think they can pull this off by 2023 with only 6 billion $$$ in funding needed that is crazy.


Now if it was Elon Musk and his SpaceX talking about putting people on Mars by 2040, then I'll be more optimistic.
Although does someone need to be born on Mars to count as a Mars flag? Would she be able to live a majority of her adult life on Mars to count as a Mars flag?

[guerrilla]

(03-21-2013 10:10 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 09:25 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 08:03 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

There is no one on this team that actually has any relevant experience of how to build a spaceship or space colony.

I would know how to build one.

Why don't you bust out a datasheet for that one.

well I'm kinda busy building my space colony right now, otherwise I would.

[InternationPlayboy]

(03-23-2013 05:01 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  

Shame that Mars One is a scam, 2023 is way too early for a company that hasn't done any real work except sell merchandise, put out some fancy design work from a man in Canada and one that has a team largely filled with Graphic designers and Communications majors dedicated to Marketing and PR work. A team that has no pilots, no engineers, no astronauts, no rocket scientists. If they think they can pull this off by 2023 with only 6 billion $$$ in funding needed that is crazy.


Now if it was Elon Musk and his SpaceX talking about putting people on Mars by 2040, then I'll be more optimistic.
Although does someone need to be born on Mars to count as a Mars flag? Would she be able to live a majority of her adult life on Mars to count as a Mars flag?

Did you read the article and wiki page? Didn't you see they have other companies building this stuff for them. Yeah Mars One doesn't know how to build a rocket, but they have other companies they are hiring that do that do know how to make the stuff they need.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(03-24-2013 01:27 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:01 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  

Shame that Mars One is a scam, 2023 is way too early for a company that hasn't done any real work except sell merchandise, put out some fancy design work from a man in Canada and one that has a team largely filled with Graphic designers and Communications majors dedicated to Marketing and PR work. A team that has no pilots, no engineers, no astronauts, no rocket scientists. If they think they can pull this off by 2023 with only 6 billion $$$ in funding needed that is crazy.


Now if it was Elon Musk and his SpaceX talking about putting people on Mars by 2040, then I'll be more optimistic.
Although does someone need to be born on Mars to count as a Mars flag? Would she be able to live a majority of her adult life on Mars to count as a Mars flag?

Did you read the article and wiki page? Didn't you see they have other companies building this stuff for them. Yeah Mars One doesn't know how to build a rocket, but they have other companies they are hiring that do that do know how to make the stuff they need.

Yes, but who is going to do quality control and oversight? These people are way too eager to gamble with other people's lives. If they had at least one ex-engineer from the Russian or whichever space program just for design oversight, I'd be more confident. But at the moment they do seem like an elaborate scam.

[InternationPlayboy]

(03-24-2013 01:43 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 01:27 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:01 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  

Shame that Mars One is a scam, 2023 is way too early for a company that hasn't done any real work except sell merchandise, put out some fancy design work from a man in Canada and one that has a team largely filled with Graphic designers and Communications majors dedicated to Marketing and PR work. A team that has no pilots, no engineers, no astronauts, no rocket scientists. If they think they can pull this off by 2023 with only 6 billion $$$ in funding needed that is crazy.


Now if it was Elon Musk and his SpaceX talking about putting people on Mars by 2040, then I'll be more optimistic.
Although does someone need to be born on Mars to count as a Mars flag? Would she be able to live a majority of her adult life on Mars to count as a Mars flag?

Did you read the article and wiki page? Didn't you see they have other companies building this stuff for them. Yeah Mars One doesn't know how to build a rocket, but they have other companies they are hiring that do that do know how to make the stuff they need.

Yes, but who is going to do quality control and oversight? These people are way too eager to gamble with other people's lives. If they had at least one ex-engineer from the Russian or whichever space program just for design oversight, I'd be more confident. But at the moment they do seem like an elaborate scam.

They have tons of competent advisers. I can guarantee there will be plenty of experts willing to work with these guys. Most astronauts or aerospace engineers would probably be more than happy to take part. These are intelligent people, they aren't just going to send these people up there to die right away. They have too much invested. I'm sure they have this all thought out, and if not, they have 8 years to figure it out.

[Emancipator]

(03-24-2013 01:27 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

Did you read the article and wiki page? Didn't you see they have other companies building this stuff for them. Yeah Mars One doesn't know how to build a rocket, but they have other companies they are hiring that do that do know how to make the stuff they need.

Bro you do realize that a majority of Mars One's team is comprimised by PR and marketing that's job is to edit the Wiki page and release news articles.

They plan on using other supplied yet even the main habitation module isn't even close to completion by SpaceX, and if you look through their PR news released they all contain "We envisage to use XXX as supplier for YYY", this is nothing but a sham.

There isn't one piece of information that shows that SpaceX and Elon Musk has worked with the company, and they don't have 8 years to figure out they expect the first "pieces" of the "colony" to arrive on Mars by 2016, the voyage to Mars alone will take 500 days.

6 Billion isn't even close to enough, as Elon Musk has said it will require both the public and private sector to start to develop a mission and colonization of Mars, along with a lot more than 6 billion $$. Not even China is capable yet of launching a mission to Mars, and they've been stealing NASA data for the past decade, what makes you think a team of Marketers and PR communication people will be able to do so.

If they (Mars ONE) does send people to Mars by 2023 I will buy you a house, or even better I'll buy your ticket to Mars!

The Mars One PR team is similar to this interaction of a hopeful Kramer talking to Jerry

KRAMER: I'm completely changing the configuration of the apartment. You're not gonna believe it when you see it. A whole new lifestyle.

JERRY: What are you doing?

KRAMER: Levels.

JERRY: Levels?

KRAMER: Yeah, I'm getting rid of all my furniture. All of it. And I'm going to build these different levels, with steps, and it'll all be carpeted with a lot of pillows. You know, like ancient Egypt.

JERRY: You drew up plans for this?

KRAMER: No, no. It's all in my head.

MORTY: I don't know how you're going to be comfortable like that.

KRAMER: Oh, I'll be comfortable.

JERRY: When do you intend to do this?

KRAMER: Ohh.. should be done by the end of the month.

JERRY: You're doing this yourself?

KRAMER: It's a simple job. Why, you don't think I can?

JERRY: Oh, no. It's not that I don't think you can. I know that you can't, and I'm positive that you won't.

[Pacific]

Those of you who think this can be pulled off in ten years with $6 billion need to seriously make some comparisons and think for yourself. Just look at the closest comparison, the Curiosity rover. Read up on how much planning went into that NASA mission, and that's just landing an unmanned rover about the size of a small SUV. By the way, the Curiosity mission cost was $2.5 billion.

Here is an information sheet on the Curiosity launch.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/press_kits/MSLLaunch.pdf

You can find other info about the landing and other stuff on the JPL webpage as well.

[Sargon of Akkad]

@ Emanicpator and Pacific:

Although I hope you're wrong, you do make valid points.

For many of us, myself included, to say that the prospect of colonizing Mars is fascinating would be an understatement, and initial excitement can lead to naïve optimism. It is by all means possible that this is little more than an elaborate publicity stunt. Even if it isn't, there's still no guarantee that it'll work.

Either way, it is reasonable to think that a Mars landing will take place sometime within our lifetimes. Whether we'll actually live to see a permanent colony or the establishment of some distinct Martian culture is another story.

[Pacific]

@Sargon

I'm probably one of the people who would be extremely excited by the idea of human exploration of space. I even felt the same way as one of the posters in this thread who said he wouldn't mind signing up for this if he can bring a near perfect chick along with him for the voyage.

But I also know a bit more about the technical difficulties involved. I also hope that I can be proven wrong about how soon we can do this.

[Teedub]

I'm tempted to apply! You would have unbelievable fame game before you went, and then after you're gone you'd be remembered forever. The horrible nature of the trip is extremely off-putting though.

[kbell]

It will be cheaper and faster to do this privately since you have less bureaucracy involved. That's why the cost will be cheaper. If they film the 8 years of training in reality show style with a large group of contestants that's at least 8 seasons of the show and 8 dvds. If they are anywhere as watched as American Idol (big if) they can generate some serious cash and probably enough to fund the mission.

I'd hope they eventually try to change the atmosphere of the planet and send up some livestock at some point.

[Teedub]

It would be watched on a much larger scale than American Idol. I'd hope so at least! Conquering Mars is a lot more amazing than having a hit single. In fact, if it wasn't as watched as Idol, I think that alone would justify someone leaving this fucking planet!

[kbell]

No it wouldn't. Space hasn't captured the public attention for a long time. People know more about Idol than they know who there local representives in government are. Unless the training has some sort of Bachelor subplot I doubt they will tune in in anywhere near the numbers the popular reality shows get.

[Teedub]

I know your right, but it angers me that you are. What the hell happened to the West, where did the ambition go? The intellectual curiosity etc...

That said, the actual landings would surely be the most watched thing in history.

[kbell]

Also with idol the best doesn't win the vote. Its always the most popular which is usually generic and bland. I don't I'd want the public voting on something like this. You might end up with Kim Kardisan and Snooki in space.

[Teedub]

(04-24-2013 12:50 PM)kbell Wrote:  

Also with idol the best doesn't win the vote. Its always the most popular which is usually generic and bland. I don't I'd want the public voting on something like this. You might end up with Kim Kardisan and Snooki in space.

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[Emancipator]

They recently "opened" applications for Mars One, with a fee of 30$ just more further proof that this is a total scam.

[speakeasy]

They are now in the selection process for colonists. You can view the people giving their one minute spiel on why they should be chosen.

http://applicants.mars-one.com/

Some interesting characters...

http://applicants.mars-one.com/profile/e...7dd1c844c9

http://applicants.mars-one.com/profile/3...64d09217df

http://applicants.mars-one.com/profile/8...015d4df694

http://applicants.mars-one.com/profile/c...58011abd04