[defcon]

First post here.


My story.

I come from a family where the narrative was always focused on true love. My grandparents were married for more than 60 years and met in the classic "at a church dance" manner (literally). My grandfather had followed a rule passed on from his father where if you date a woman for a year and you are not sure about marriage, you don't stay with her. 2 months after he had broken up, he met my grandmother. 6 months later they were engaged. He would tell you he was sure about my grandmother, that he wanted her and that he pursued her. My impression of their courtship was, however, that he did not "game" my grandmother in any sense. He simply pursued her and made clear he wanted her.

My grandpa was a strong man. He was no beta. He was the man of the house. He excelled in his professional life and held various leadership roles in various industries.

He was good looking, about 5'9", mesomorph. My grandmother was an 8, pretty and thin. They met, were physically attracted to eachother, connected emotionally and intellectually and went on to develop a bond that lasted them more than 60 years. There was no infidelity, and lots of love and fun. They still held hands, cuddled and enjoyed eachother's company until their last days.

That's been my model of happines. A simple, boy meets girl, there is mutual physical attraction, they get along and "click", and they build a family together.

I've sought out that model in my life. I am decent looking (I am on beautifulpeople.com), prob 7 facially, low body fat and muscular, 5'10", a lawyer. I've never been focused on the simple lay. Rather my focus has been on finding someone who I wanted to build my life with, as my grandfather had. In my view, without discounting the lifestyles of those who value sexual variety, a strong loving relationship outweighs transient sexual experiences. Preferences in this realm are obviously subjective.



In my experience, this simple model of mutual physical attraction and conversational click doesn't require game. I didn't game my ex's, 2 of which were solid 8's (promotional models, bartenders). We simply met, were attracted to eachother and got along in a way that meant we wanted to be around eachother and not just get into eachother's pants.


I find myself holding out for this dynamic. In my view, even if you are able to game a girl who isn't that physically attracted to you (1-3 points above your level) and with whom you don't naturally "click", the resulting relationship will NEVER be as good as a relationship with a girl who IS physically attracted to you and with whom you click. Why not hold out for the latter?

Again, for those looking for the lay, the analysis above is not very useful, but for those holding out for a girl we actually click with and just naturally get along with, what if anything, does game offer?

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

A realistic approach to the opposite sex.

[Ovid]

Game isn't about "tricking" a girl into a relationship, but rather, about giving her the chance to appreciate you properly. Girls don't prioritize good looks as much as men do. Consequently, a girl who might initially assess you as a 6-7 might decide you're a 9 after she develops attraction and affection for you. If you didn't have game, and you approached her, she'd see an OK-looking, but uninteresting guy, and probably blow you off. Because you have game, she's going to see an interesting and decent-looking guy, and if the two of you click, she will have the chance to be with an interesting and good-looking guy.

Game is necessary because the changes in society in Western countries in the 20th century have produced worse women. They don't look as good, and they have bad attitudes and dispositions owing to the feminist indoctrination they imbibe from their mother's breast. Because they don't look as good (they're fat and increasingly don't feel the need to go out of their way to look good for a man, this being considered 'sexist') the ones who do look decent are approached disproportionately, which turns them into princesses who feel the world revolves around them. Combative, masculine dispositions derived from feminist ideology produce much the same effect. Consequently, in order to get anywhere with these girls, old fashioned met-at-a-church-dance-and-thought-she-was-cute "beta game" really doesn't work anymore. Most girls don't go to church, let alone engage in old-fashioned things like courtship, or even dates. The changes alluded to above have produced a 'hookup' culture, where the only way to make a reliably-good impression on one of these modern girls is to be over-the-top masculine, to give her something out of the ordinary. One must be almost rude, in order to contrast with all the guys she meets who fawn over her, and whom she expects to do so.

Beyond that, game is the art of being able to banter and flirt with girls, while knowing how to properly escalate the relationship from the checkout line to the bedroom. After the bedroom, it's a guy's choice, more often than not, as to whether he wants to make this a one night stand or pursue a relationship with the girl. Given the quality of the girl though (she may be hot, but she's probably not very interesting or pleasant to be around, and almost certainly not very domesticated) one night stands/friends with benefits mostly are the rule.

[Ovid]

I should also add that it might seem like game is "jumping the gun," since it presupposes a sexual escalation right off the bat. "What if I just want to date and marry a girl? Of course game would seem to attract sluts, you are finding girls who will have sex with you fast!" The problem here is that quite simply, 99% of modern girls are whores, and experience has shown that they generally lose respect for a man if he does *not* push for sex as quickly as possible. There may be 1 in 200 girls who are turned off by this, but the vast majority expect it, even if they do not acquiesce. This has been the rule throughout history -men, being more easily aroused than women, and more visually turned on, attempt to escalate, and it is up to women to put the brakes on. If women these days do not put the brakes on, it can't be helped, and it isn't as if men are complaining about that particular aspect, even if we bemoan the societal changes which has led to that state of affairs being the norm. It is better to push for sex and get it, and have the choice of a relationship or not, or to push for sex and not get it, but possibly get a relationship, than to not push for sex and not get anything at all.

[FourToTheFloor]

(03-20-2013 07:30 PM)defcon Wrote:  

First post here.


That's been my model of happines. A simple, boy meets girl, there is mutual physical attraction, they get along and "click", and they build a family together.

If only it were still this simple.

[Tuthmosis]

(03-20-2013 07:30 PM)defcon Wrote:  

what if anything, does game offer?

   

[void]

make your second post, if you found your princess. note: in your story, you have several exes. why aren't you married yet, if everything clicked?

[placer]

I concur. These days, the cart is before the horse. Our grandfathers' world:

• Court the girl
• Marry the girl
• Have sex with the girl
  

Today's world:

• Game the girl
• Have sex with the girl
• Optionally, marry the girl.
  

The breakdown of marriage in our society has benefited alphas, but things are now a lot worse for betas, as well as for women. Alphas are getting all of the pussy while betas are left out in the cold. I wish society wasn't like this today, but I have to play the hand this generation has been given.

[germanico]

(03-20-2013 07:30 PM)defcon Wrote:  

He was good looking, about 5'9", mesomorph. My grandmother was an 8, pretty and thin.

Really, who looks at an old picture of his grandmother and thinks "damn, she was an 8!"

I call troll.

[babelfish669]

(03-20-2013 07:30 PM)defcon Wrote:  

I didn't game my ex's, 2 of which were solid 8's (promotional models, bartenders). We simply met, were attracted to eachother and got along in a way that meant we wanted to be around eachother and not just get into eachother's pants.

This just means you didn't understand what attracted the girl to you. Just because something wasn't intentional doesn't mean its not game. Once you want to sleep with a female any further interaction with her is game, just some of it is so bad it hurts rather than helps.

[alphanov]

I used to believe in this grandpa crap and I've been "pursuing" a few girls who seemed to "click" with me. Stuff like leaving flowers at her door, and mailing sweet hand-written letters by actual post. Not only the response is "let's just be friends", not only does she go on to have sex with uglier and poorer dudes, but she has also told all her friends about how much of a loser I am for "pursuing" her.
Nowadays I prefer to go to the pub, sweep a girl, and enjoy the respectful look from the staff and butthurt faces of her beta-orbiters.

[defcon]

(03-20-2013 07:54 PM)Ovid Wrote:  

Game isn't about "tricking" a girl into a relationship, but rather, about giving her the chance to appreciate you properly. Girls don't prioritize good looks as much as men do. Consequently, a girl who might initially assess you as a 6-7 might decide you're a 9 after she develops attraction and affection for you. If you didn't have game, and you approached her, she'd see an OK-looking, but uninteresting guy, and probably blow you off. Because you have game, she's going to see an interesting and decent-looking guy, and if the two of you click, she will have the chance to be with an interesting and good-looking guy.

Game is necessary because the changes in society in Western countries in the 20th century have produced worse women. They don't look as good, and they have bad attitudes and dispositions owing to the feminist indoctrination they imbibe from their mother's breast. Because they don't look as good (they're fat and increasingly don't feel the need to go out of their way to look good for a man, this being considered 'sexist') the ones who do look decent are approached disproportionately, which turns them into princesses who feel the world revolves around them. Combative, masculine dispositions derived from feminist ideology produce much the same effect. Consequently, in order to get anywhere with these girls, old fashioned met-at-a-church-dance-and-thought-she-was-cute "beta game" really doesn't work anymore. Most girls don't go to church, let alone engage in old-fashioned things like courtship, or even dates. The changes alluded to above have produced a 'hookup' culture, where the only way to make a reliably-good impression on one of these modern girls is to be over-the-top masculine, to give her something out of the ordinary. One must be almost rude, in order to contrast with all the guys she meets who fawn over her, and whom she expects to do so.

Beyond that, game is the art of being able to banter and flirt with girls, while knowing how to properly escalate the relationship from the checkout line to the bedroom. After the bedroom, it's a guy's choice, more often than not, as to whether he wants to make this a one night stand or pursue a relationship with the girl. Given the quality of the girl though (she may be hot, but she's probably not very interesting or pleasant to be around, and almost certainly not very domesticated) one night stands/friends with benefits mostly are the rule.

My understanding of "game" is a manufactured interaction driven by the intent to get to an ultimate destination. Sales people game customers to get sales. PUA game women to get in their pants.

I pass no judgment on game but just wonder what it offers me.

I think we all need to recognize that there is such a thing as natural, normal interaction. Sometimes there is simply shit to talk about, you get along, things flow, its natural, genuine and fun. I am holding out for this with a chick I also want to fuck. My impression is that game doesn't offer anyone holding out for this.

[defcon]

(03-20-2013 09:03 PM)void Wrote:  

make your second post, if you found your princess. note: in your story, you have several exes. why aren't you married yet, if everything clicked?

I didn't say "everything" clicked. I said we clicked, got along naturally and had fun. This kind of chemistry coupled with physical chemistry is good shite and a NECESSARY condition for partnership. It is however, not sufficient. You need similar values, wants, expectations, tastes in the practical elements of life (like where to live, how many kids etc). and in both cases this was lacking.

[defcon]

(03-21-2013 03:37 PM)babelfish669 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 07:30 PM)defcon Wrote:  

I didn't game my ex's, 2 of which were solid 8's (promotional models, bartenders). We simply met, were attracted to eachother and got along in a way that meant we wanted to be around eachother and not just get into eachother's pants.

This just means you didn't understand what attracted the girl to you. Just because something wasn't intentional doesn't mean its not game. Once you want to sleep with a female any further interaction with her is game, just some of it is so bad it hurts rather than helps.

"any further interaction with her is game" This very general definition of "game" isn't all that helpful. Are you denying that it just "works" better naturally with some girls rather than others?

[defcon]

(03-21-2013 05:07 PM)alphanov Wrote:  

I used to believe in this grandpa crap and I've been "pursuing" a few girls who seemed to "click" with me. Stuff like leaving flowers at her door, and mailing sweet hand-written letters by actual post. Not only the response is "let's just be friends", not only does she go on to have sex with uglier and poorer dudes, but she has also told all her friends about how much of a loser I am for "pursuing" her.
Nowadays I prefer to go to the pub, sweep a girl, and enjoy the respectful look from the staff and butthurt faces of her beta-orbiters.

I don't think any of the traditional "pursuit" stuff is actually called for and its not something I ever did. If it works between you and a girl and you're into eachother, you'll simply wanna be around each other, hang out and fuck. No "courting" required. But in my view no "game" either is required. Its just like how you and some friends get a long and wanna hang out. No need to "game" other people to become friends with them. Sometimes people are just naturally inclined towards eachother. I am looking for this with a girl where we also wanna jump each other.

[alphanov]

(03-21-2013 05:54 PM)defcon Wrote:  

I don't think any of the traditional "pursuit" stuff is actually called for and its not something I ever did. If it works between you and a girl and you're into eachother, you'll simply wanna be around each other, hang out and fuck. No "courting" required. But in my view no "game" either is required. Its just like how you and some friends get a long and wanna hang out. No need to "game" other people to become friends with them. Sometimes people are just naturally inclined towards eachother. I am looking for this with a girl where we also wanna jump each other.

Well, if you get along with a girl and you have romantic intentions, you must pro-actively seek physical escalation and sex as soon as possible. She should at least get unambiguous signs that you're sexually interested in her. No sex after 1 month, and you're in deep friendzone shit. If you think that you'll just hang out together and things will naturally fall into their place, I have bad news for you.

[Ovid]

(03-21-2013 05:40 PM)defcon Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 07:54 PM)Ovid Wrote:  

Game isn't about "tricking" a girl into a relationship, but rather, about giving her the chance to appreciate you properly. Girls don't prioritize good looks as much as men do. Consequently, a girl who might initially assess you as a 6-7 might decide you're a 9 after she develops attraction and affection for you. If you didn't have game, and you approached her, she'd see an OK-looking, but uninteresting guy, and probably blow you off. Because you have game, she's going to see an interesting and decent-looking guy, and if the two of you click, she will have the chance to be with an interesting and good-looking guy.

Game is necessary because the changes in society in Western countries in the 20th century have produced worse women. They don't look as good, and they have bad attitudes and dispositions owing to the feminist indoctrination they imbibe from their mother's breast. Because they don't look as good (they're fat and increasingly don't feel the need to go out of their way to look good for a man, this being considered 'sexist') the ones who do look decent are approached disproportionately, which turns them into princesses who feel the world revolves around them. Combative, masculine dispositions derived from feminist ideology produce much the same effect. Consequently, in order to get anywhere with these girls, old fashioned met-at-a-church-dance-and-thought-she-was-cute "beta game" really doesn't work anymore. Most girls don't go to church, let alone engage in old-fashioned things like courtship, or even dates. The changes alluded to above have produced a 'hookup' culture, where the only way to make a reliably-good impression on one of these modern girls is to be over-the-top masculine, to give her something out of the ordinary. One must be almost rude, in order to contrast with all the guys she meets who fawn over her, and whom she expects to do so.

Beyond that, game is the art of being able to banter and flirt with girls, while knowing how to properly escalate the relationship from the checkout line to the bedroom. After the bedroom, it's a guy's choice, more often than not, as to whether he wants to make this a one night stand or pursue a relationship with the girl. Given the quality of the girl though (she may be hot, but she's probably not very interesting or pleasant to be around, and almost certainly not very domesticated) one night stands/friends with benefits mostly are the rule.

My understanding of "game" is a manufactured interaction driven by the intent to get to an ultimate destination. Sales people game customers to get sales. PUA game women to get in their pants.

I pass no judgment on game but just wonder what it offers me.

I think we all need to recognize that there is such a thing as natural, normal interaction. Sometimes there is simply shit to talk about, you get along, things flow, its natural, genuine and fun. I am holding out for this with a chick I also want to fuck. My impression is that game doesn't offer anyone holding out for this.

It's only "manufactured" in the sense that men make things happen, because it is our place in life to do so. If I see a girl I would like to meet, I can do one of two things. I can go over and actually talk to her, or I can sit on the sidelines twiddling my thumbs and admiring her from afar, hoping that fate will somehow intervene on my behalf to send some third party or circumstance to introduce us, or that she will take a fancy to me from afar, and to such a degree as to introduce herself. The first option has a 10% success rate, give or take. (If we define 'success' as getting her out on a date.) The second option has a 0.001% success rate. It's obviously better to go talk to the girl. And what is game but talking to her? Some people are skilled conversationalists whom you can talk to for hours. Others are socially inept and can't hold a conversation if their life depended on it. Skills, however, can be learned. Someone who isn't good at talking to girls can learn how to do so more effectively, just as someone can learn how to speak in public. Speaking in public requires courage, poise, and a good grasp of the subject matter. Talking to girls requires the ability to banter and flirt, and not all guys are born with the ability to do this intuitively.

A girl who wants to sleep around will sleep around, a girl who doesn't, won't. Game does not "manipulate" a girl into doing something she does not want to do, it just demonstrates that a man has acceptable ability to talk to women, which 90% of men lack these days. Back in the day, a girl cared more about a man's ability to provide for her, now, all she cares about is his personality and good looks, since she has her material needs met already. A man can work out at the gym and buy new clothes to improve his looks, and he can polish his social skills to show his personality to best advantage, just as a girl chooses a flattering dress and just the right makeup, lipstick, eye shadow, fake lashes, fake nails, fake hair extensions, fake breasts, fake suntan, etc. to show off her body (her primary mate-attracting method) to maximum advantage.

[BarkChompson]

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Sales people game customers to get sales. PUA game women to get in their pants.

I agree 100%. I just started a sales job cold calling, and it's like I'm taking the red pill all over again.

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I think we all need to recognize that there is such a thing as natural, normal interaction. Sometimes there is simply shit to talk about, you get along, things flow, its natural, genuine and fun. I am holding out for this with a chick I also want to fuck. My impression is that game doesn't offer anyone holding out for this.

"Natural" game just means you're not consciously thinking about what you're doing, you're just ACTING based on your habits. Yeah, sometimes you get lucky, and eventually a girl will like you enough to give you leeway for your flaws. But why not reduce and even eliminate them? Why not be the best version of yourself? Why not improve? Why would you leave it up to chance when you have the tools to be better.

[BarkChompson]

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Again, for those looking for the lay, the analysis above is not very useful, but for those holding out for a girl we actually click with and just naturally get along with, what if anything, does game offer?

Too much analysis isn't useful for anyone; take off your law school hat and talk like an attorney.

If you want to find someone worth meeting, make yourself worth meeting. None of the tools of the game are necessary to get laid by themselves, or find the girl of your dreams or whatever, but they improve your odds.

Lets say you bite your nails when you're nervous. The girl you are otherwise "clicking" with says something that puts you in your head, like mentions she wishes she could stab her neighbors dog and doesn't know that you saw your dad stab your neighbors dog when you were 5. She doesn't need to know that shit, so you push the thought back by biting your nails. Biting your nails, and touching your face with your hands in general, is some insecure looking shit (I'm guilty of this), and she gets turned off.

Game forces you to look at what is working and what isn't, in relationships and life. It's self-improvement in the "need for approval" realm. Are you perfectly happy with every aspect of your life? Then what are you doing in a forum looking for advice?

[vandrare]

(03-20-2013 07:36 PM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

A realistic approach to the opposite sex.

I second that.

What can game offer an idealist? - A healthy dose of reality.

[defcon]

(03-26-2013 10:54 PM)BarkChompson Wrote:  

Quote:

Sales people game customers to get sales. PUA game women to get in their pants.

I agree 100%. I just started a sales job cold calling, and it's like I'm taking the red pill all over again.

Quote:

I think we all need to recognize that there is such a thing as natural, normal interaction. Sometimes there is simply shit to talk about, you get along, things flow, its natural, genuine and fun. I am holding out for this with a chick I also want to fuck. My impression is that game doesn't offer anyone holding out for this.

"Natural" game just means you're not consciously thinking about what you're doing, you're just ACTING based on your habits. Yeah, sometimes you get lucky, and eventually a girl will like you enough to give you leeway for your flaws. But why not reduce and even eliminate them? Why not be the best version of yourself? Why not improve? Why would you leave it up to chance when you have the tools to be better.

What I mean by natural interaction is that it flows without a conscious effort to direct it to manipulate or influence to arrive at some ultimate destination. There is a difference between genuine conversation and conversation that is directed towards manipulation. It is my impression that much of what game discusses is the rules of causality that relate to arriving at a fuck of a particular woman. But surely we've all experienced just genuinely liking and getting along with a chick who we also want to fuck. Who doesn't want that over spending time with chicks who are annoying, boring or otherwise unlikeable just to get into their pants?

The danger I see in game is that if you are in this mode of directed manipulative interaction then you run the risk of putting an obstacle in the way of the possibility of genuine honest interaction with a girl you actually dig.

[defcon]

(03-26-2013 11:13 PM)BarkChompson Wrote:  

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Again, for those looking for the lay, the analysis above is not very useful, but for those holding out for a girl we actually click with and just naturally get along with, what if anything, does game offer?

Too much analysis isn't useful for anyone; take off your law school hat and talk like an attorney.

If you want to find someone worth meeting, make yourself worth meeting. None of the tools of the game are necessary to get laid by themselves, or find the girl of your dreams or whatever, but they improve your odds.

Lets say you bite your nails when you're nervous. The girl you are otherwise "clicking" with says something that puts you in your head, like mentions she wishes she could stab her neighbors dog and doesn't know that you saw your dad stab your neighbors dog when you were 5. She doesn't need to know that shit, so you push the thought back by biting your nails. Biting your nails, and touching your face with your hands in general, is some insecure looking shit (I'm guilty of this), and she gets turned off.

Game forces you to look at what is working and what isn't, in relationships and life. It's self-improvement in the "need for approval" realm. Are you perfectly happy with every aspect of your life? Then what are you doing in a forum looking for advice?

I suppose defining "game" would be helpful. I certainly would support game the way you define it, as an effort at constant self improvement.

My understanding of game is rather that it is a body of information designed to assist individuals to manipulate interactions with a view to scoring a fuck. Its about how to "act" around women to get into their pants. In my view, you don't need to "act" in any particular way with a girl where there is mutual physical and intellectual attraction. It just works without any conscious effort to control the flow or the direction.

[Ovid]

You treasure ignorance. It "just works" only because you happened to say the right things when she was in the right mood for the two of you to "click" that particular evening. You could have a personality and interests that complement a girl's perfectly, so that the two of you would be a great match. If she happens to be in a good mood because things went well for her at work that day, and perhaps she's ovulating that night, the two of you might hit it off superbly, spend the entire evening together, and "spontaneously" go home and have passionate sex. "It just happened! We just clicked." If she's had a bad day, or perhaps she has PMS that day, she might scowl, find you obnoxious, and refuse to give you a chance, for no fault of your own, even though the two of you were perfect for one another.

Game is simply conversational awareness, so that you can more effectively present your good qualities in order to gain her attention and vagina, which we men all do when we converse with attractive women whom we might potentially be interested in. If she likes those good qualities she perceives, and wants to have sex with you, that's her choice, but it's hardly manipulation. It only seems so when one holds a rosy, victorian view of the female sex, and assumes that only men want sex, and only men will act on their desires for it. Most women are, unfortunately enough, sluts. Bad for society, but the silver lining is that if you approach enough women, some will see your good qualities, and because they're sluts, they will not resist your advances, and will have sex with you. So the generalized sluttiness of today's women is good for those men who have the courage to approach and speak to women, and still better for those who are able to present themselves in the best way possible.

It can be a bitter pill to swallow, acknowledging that most women are weak-willed, inclined to promiscuity, and will open their legs on comparatively shallow pretexts, but it is nevertheless the way things are. The man who knows how to speak to women will get into their pants. The one who "gets lucky" when things "just click" is practicing game too, his game is just poor and he is running it blindly, because he has no conscious idea how to present himself.

[defcon]

(04-02-2013 09:01 PM)Ovid Wrote:  

You treasure ignorance. It "just works" only because you happened to say the right things when she was in the right mood for the two of you to "click" that particular evening. You could have a personality and interests that complement a girl's perfectly, so that the two of you would be a great match. If she happens to be in a good mood because things went well for her at work that day, and perhaps she's ovulating that night, the two of you might hit it off superbly, spend the entire evening together, and "spontaneously" go home and have passionate sex. "It just happened! We just clicked." If she's had a bad day, or perhaps she has PMS that day, she might scowl, find you obnoxious, and refuse to give you a chance, for no fault of your own, even though the two of you were perfect for one another.

Game is simply conversational awareness, so that you can more effectively present your good qualities in order to gain her attention and vagina, which we men all do when we converse with attractive women whom we might potentially be interested in. If she likes those good qualities she perceives, and wants to have sex with you, that's her choice, but it's hardly manipulation. It only seems so when one holds a rosy, victorian view of the female sex, and assumes that only men want sex, and only men will act on their desires for it. Most women are, unfortunately enough, sluts. Bad for society, but the silver lining is that if you approach enough women, some will see your good qualities, and because they're sluts, they will not resist your advances, and will have sex with you. So the generalized sluttiness of today's women is good for those men who have the courage to approach and speak to women, and still better for those who are able to present themselves in the best way possible.

It can be a bitter pill to swallow, acknowledging that most women are weak-willed, inclined to promiscuity, and will open their legs on comparatively shallow pretexts, but it is nevertheless the way things are. The man who knows how to speak to women will get into their pants. The one who "gets lucky" when things "just click" is practicing game too, his game is just poor and he is running it blindly, because he has no conscious idea how to present himself.

You are missing my point. Sometimes we just get along with other people, male or female. It just "clicks" or "works". That's how people develop friendships and connections. There is no need in such cases to focus on presenting one's best self or to consciously control what we say or do. We just are and it works or it doesn't. My point is that holding out for such a connection with a girl, where you also want to fuck her, is an ideal that for me surpasses all the manufactured interactions and subsequent bangs that is the focus of game.

Once I again I pass no judgment on those who seek bangs only, but my point is that for those of us who value connecting with women in other ways, I don't see what game can offer.

[Giovonny]

(03-20-2013 07:30 PM)defcon Wrote:  

for those holding out for a girl we actually click with and just naturally get along with, what if anything, does game offer?

Great question.

I would say game offers you an opportunity to "click" with more girls, higher quality girls, and a wider variety of girls.

Game will help you "naturally get along" with more people.

Game = Social skills

Better social skills = more opportunities with women.