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Iraq War 10 Years On
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Iraq War 10 Years On

Quote: (08-25-2017 08:25 PM)Suits Wrote:  



Real tough guy around a few noobs with AKs when he has trillions of tax dollars of hardware and propaganda backing him up.

You want some one to blame for everything getting so damn expensive in the US and all of these weird pissed off people migrating in to Europe, this guy would be a good one to start with.

Getting macho boners by rubblelizing people's families, homes, water supplies, electricity, roads etc. is nothing to be proud of. Blowback is a bitch.
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#77

Iraq War 10 Years On

Quote: (08-25-2017 08:25 PM)Suits Wrote:  



Great speech by the American, but it's a waste of time. He wants the soldiers to fight for Iraq - but they don't identify with Iraq, they identify with their Shi'ite religion.

Iraq is a fake country created by the British nearly 100 years ago. If the world wants real peace in the region then Iraq should be split into Sunni, Shia and Kurd areas. These communities can't live with each other unless they're under a dictator. In Iraq now many Sunnis are being suppressed by the Shia, so they turn radical and join groups like ISIS.
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Iraq War 10 Years On

Quote: (08-25-2017 10:15 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Quote: (08-25-2017 08:25 PM)Suits Wrote:  



Great speech by the American, but it's a waste of time. He wants the soldiers to fight for Iraq - but they don't identify with Iraq, they identify with their Shi'ite religion.

Iraq is a fake country created by the British nearly 100 years ago. If the world wants real peace in the region then Iraq should be split into Sunni, Shia and Kurd areas. These communities can't live with each other unless they're under a dictator. In Iraq now many Sunnis are being suppressed by the Shia, so they turn radical and join groups like ISIS.

Not quite Walter, Iraq was indeed carved up by Sykes/Picot a century ago, but it's long been a fairly cohesive and fairly well-integrated country under Saddam, with a fair amount of intermarriages in the middle classes and plenty of mixed neighborhoods in the big cities. Like the other countries in the Levant (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan), Iraq developed a strong national identity in the post-war era.

There are lines of fracture there though*, and those were purposely exploited by funding violent extremists, going as far as blowing up civilian targets under false flags in order to ignite sectarian conflicts. Divide and conquer, part and parcel of the Oded Yinon plan. I think there was a lot of that from the Brits back in their Indian colonial rule as well, nothing new there.






This geostrategic dynamic is at the heart of the Syrian crisis. Israel and the neocons want to break up Syria into at least 3-4 pieces, while Assad and most Syrians, Muslim and Christians alike, want to preserve their country. That's why Russia has been so successful in Syria in fighting back the jihadis, they have the full support of the people there.

Conversely, the reason why the US/NATO campaign in Iraq has been such a disaster is because we haven't been working in that country's best interests. The real reason we went in is to balkanize the country and turn it into a bunch of warring failed mini ethnostates. So our soldiers in Baghdad have to watch their backs, while the Russian troops in Damascus or Tartus are warmly supported by the locals.


*every nation-state has those lines of fracture, you see them getting revived today in the US with the Confederate Flag North-South divide, the BLM vs whites racial divide and the right vs left divide. And if countries like Korea are naturally very homogeneous and cohesive, you can always break them up into two warring nations (see also Vietnam and Germany).

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Iraq War 10 Years On

Gilad Atzmon has some sharp insights into this subject:

"Back in 1982, Oded Yinon an Israeli journalist formerly attached to the Israeli Foreign Ministry, published a document titled ‘A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties.’This Israeli commentator suggested that for Israel to maintain its regional superiority, it must fragment its surrounding Arab states into smaller units. The document, later labelled as ‘Yinon Plan’, implied that Arabs and Muslims killing each other in endless sectarian wars was, in effect, Israel’s insurance policy.

Of course, regardless of the Yinon Plan’s prophesies, one might still argue that this has nothing to do with Jewish lobbying, politics or institutions but is just one more Israeli strategic proposal except that it is impossible to ignore that the Neocon school of thought that pushed the English-speaking Empire into Iraq was largely a Jewish Diaspora, Zionist clan. It’s also no secret that the 2nd Gulf War was fought to serve Israeli interests - breaking into sectarian units what then seemed to be the last pocket of Arab resistance to Israel.

...As we can see, a dedicated number of Jewish Zionist activists, commentators and intellectuals have worked relentlessly in many countries pushing for exactly the same cause – the breaking up of Arab and Muslim states into smaller, sectarian units.

But is it just the Zionists who are engaging in such tactics? Not at all.

In fact, the Jewish so-called Left serves the exact same cause, but instead of fragmenting Arabs and Muslims into Shia, Sunnis, Alawites and Kurds they strive to break them into sexually oriented identity groups (Lesbian, Queer, Gays, Heterosexual etc’)

Recently I learned from Sarah Schulman, a NY Jewish Lesbian activist that in her search for funding for a young ‘Palestinian Queer’ USA tour, she was advised to approach George Soros’ Open Society institute. The following account may leave you flabbergasted, as it did me:

“A former ACT UP staffer who worked for the Open Society Institute, George Soros’ foundation, suggested that I file an application there for funding for the tour. When I did so it turned out that the person on the other end had known me from when we both attended Hunter [College] High School in New York in the 1970s. He forwarded the application to the Institutes’s office in Amman, Jordan, and I had an amazing one-hour conversation with Hanan Rabani, its director of the Women’s and Gender program for the Middle East region. Hanan told me that this tour would give great visibility to autonomous queer organizations in the region. That it would inspire queer Arabs—especially in Egypt and Iran…for that reason, she said, funding for the tour should come from the Amman office” (Sarah Schulman -Israel/Palestine and the Queer International p. 108).

The message is clear, The Open Society Institutes (OSI) wires Soros’s money to Jordan, Palestine and then back to the USA in order to “inspire queer Arabs in Egypt and Iran (sic).”

What we see here is clear evidence of a blatant intervention by George Soros and his institute in an attempt to break Arabs and Muslims and shape their culture. So, while the right-wing Jewish Lobby pushes the Arabs into ethnic sectarian wars, their tribal counterparts within George Soros’s OSI institute, do exactly the same - attempt to break the Arab and Muslims by means of marginal and identity politics.

It is no secret that, as far as recent developments in Iraq are concerned, America, Britain and the West are totally unprepared. So surely, the time is long overdue when we must identify the forces and ideologies within Western society that are pushing us into more and more global conflicts. And all we can hope for is that America, Britain and France may think twice before they spends trillions of their tax payers’ money in following the Yinon Plan to fight ruinous, foreign wars imposed upon them by The Lobby. "

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-jewi...eyond.html

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