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And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

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I apologize if I sound like a hater, and in some ways I feel that I am being kind of a hater... I guess if anything it's born out of the frustation of having put in so much time and effort to better myself, for often paltry results, only to see guys who in my mind are less worthy, with hot chicks, that I doubt they could ever land if they had to deal with the sexual market in the US.

remember, a lot of such couples are from the same small European town and the two have likely known each other for half their lives or so, the guys of which couldn't game in a foreign country if their lives depended on it.
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And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

Edit: Just talking about (all guys) who've been in like 1 LTR forever (and bring their sweet little Princesses to Mexico). Same sort of thing when a guy gets divorced (or so I've heard from louis ck standup). Out of practice at least

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Oh I can understand you well, I'd bore my ass off too if I'd be off the beaten track in Germany , hah!
People in the north of Germany are known to be close minded and not very kind or well-receiving of strangers.

Where in Germany will you move to?

a good Uni city w/ 25-30,000 students and a straight shot to Berlin on the ICE (end up there or Hamburg within a year or so and commute a few times a week).

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Every time I see a jacked or buffed dude being 10 cm shorter then me I laugh inside because it shows his inferiority complex.

I'm 10cm shorter than you (180cm). So I'm that guy you just laugh at. That's a bit harsh, man, judge a man based purely on appearance.
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And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

Quote: (03-08-2013 06:37 AM)LucienM Wrote:  

Edit: Just talking about (all guys) who've been in like 1 LTR forever (and bring their sweet little Princesses to Mexico). Same sort of thing when a guy gets divorced (or so I've heard from louis ck standup). Out of practice at least

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Oh I can understand you well, I'd bore my ass off too if I'd be off the beaten track in Germany , hah!
People in the north of Germany are known to be close minded and not very kind or well-receiving of strangers.

Where in Germany will you move to?

a good Uni city w/ 25-30,000 students and a straight shot to Berlin on the ICE (end up there or Hamburg within a year or so and commute a few times a week).

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Every time I see a jacked or buffed dude being 10 cm shorter then me I laugh inside because it shows his inferiority complex.

I'm 10cm shorter than you (180cm). So I'm that guy you just laugh at. That's a bit harsh, man, judge a man based purely on appearance.

Yeah, sorry about that. Didn't mean to say it like that. What I meant is that most (in my opinion. this is how I experience it) guys who are really buffed up but short ( 1.75 and below) try to look though and strong and act this way (along with a few tats) to compensate their height. In this way their insecurity radiates from them.

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And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

Quote: (03-06-2013 09:11 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Whereas lame Euro guys, and here in Mexico especially, you see ugly dudes, short dudes, fat dudes, old dudes, etc. with hot chicks, that I seriously doubt they could ever land back in the USA.

I apologize if I sound like a hater, and in some ways I feel that I am being kind of a hater... I guess if anything it's born out of the frustation of having put in so much time and effort to better myself, for often paltry results, only to see guys who in my mind are less worthy, with hot chicks, that I doubt they could ever land if they had to deal with the sexual market in the US.

Ugly, short and fat dudes with hot chicks ? This is not common in Western and Northern Europe, imho.

What's true is that most Europeans don't obsess that much about trying to be the tough, ripped alpha guy as Americans do, from my experience. For one, it's a different culture over here that doesn't value competition and physical strength as much as America does, but also because the dating market is not as tough as it is in the US.
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And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

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Yeah, sorry about that. Didn't mean to say it like that. What I meant is that most (in my opinion. this is how I experience it) guys who are really buffed up but short ( 1.75 and below) try to look though and strong and act this way (along with a few tats) to compensate their height. In this way their insecurity radiates from them.
no worries, I think I know what you mean. for me, it's when guys like this are aggressive that I can't stand. I'm sitting there thinking - 'you know I could seriously hurt you if I wanted to, right?' That can be annoying.

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the dating market is not as tough as it is in the US.
true. I'll get final word if I'm staying here next week, and after that I'm going to be a language learning machine. Got to know it to break into the market (if you don't want to rely on outliers - which I have been). The American English accent will never get you anywhere (maybe SE Asia, I don't know), but American accented foreign language spoken at least decent is a key.
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And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

I think the main problem here is that most of the sentiments and judgements posted here are based on tourists from certain countries. And depending on where you are, the demographic represented by these tourists changes considerably.

For example, go down to any big Greek party island and the impression you get of the Brits is that they're loud, drunk, obnoxious, and generally stupid. Compare that to the British tourists that you'd see in a city renowned for culture and art like Barcelona and you'd get a completely different type of tourist, and as a result a completely different impression of the Brits.

If I were to generalize based off the type of american tourist that I've encountered, I would describe americans as loud, brash, very beta males, aggressive females, generally unstylish, and with no signs of being in shape. Younger people included. But the fact is that these are only the tourists, and therefore not very representative of the greater country.

I've heard some mention of Dutch tourists being 'beta' or something similar in this thread, and I wouldn't doubt your experiences, but it is extremely unrepresentative of the larger population. The people who travel a lot to exotic destinations represent a very specific subset of the population. There are plenty of boorish, beer-drinking, gym-going dutch guys (very similar to the kind of frat bros you get in the US), but these are just not represented in a lot of these places I've seen being mentioned.

Loving the discussion so far, but I just wanted to stress this factor in determining our perception of countries and their people.

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And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

Quote: (03-08-2013 03:57 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

[...] "we" don't idolize violence (including violent sports like MMA, boxing and American hand-egg)
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oh yeah ??? Baby Jesus loves FOOTBALL and the USA

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And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

Don't most Euro's have uncircumcized pp's? Put a helmet on those soldiers, boys. Most girls find those ant-eater smegma dicks digusting. USA!

P.S. Figured I'd add to the hilarity of this thread.
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And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

Many Europeans consider the typical American macho posturing unsophisticated and primitive. I tend to agree although I prefer it to the straight up feminine Scandinavian culture. But skinny is preferred over roided in Europe and I think that's good. Taking steroids to impress girls to me is very insecure. Wanting to get into fights to prove yourself is also very insecure. Most of all, the intense desire to dominate other men, that seems to be present in some American culture, is very bad for the average male as described already.

But thinking about it, the only people I know who went to Mexico/South America were staunch liberals and weaklings. They're probably there for some deluded Che Guevara fantasy.
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And you thought there was an issue with American male masculinity...

haha this reminds me of this "Taxicab Confessions (Trainwreck Couple)"
she describes a weak french men..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIkrhcdVS4

I Agree Masculinity is about culture.. my french friend loves skinny guys..
really? don't you want a big strong man.. she tells me.. no.

I believe in being a caveman

I admit.. i think Americans over all are manly.. american football vs soccer, the soldier and even bad ass mofos in prison, but I guess we are not seeing european media with gangs in their prisons pumping iron trying not to get shanked.. when i think of EU prisons I think of it being as a retirement home.

I was in Normandy last year and did see some french soldiers training and they did look bad ass to me.. so...
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