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02-27-2013, 05:23 PM
Work out until you get tired.
Stop if you get hurt.
Eat healthy food if you're hungry.
Sleep well at night.
Am I missing something here?
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02-27-2013, 05:35 PM
MikeCF what about CNS burnout????? is that the same as overtraining?????
Heres my training schedule:
Monday:
flat bench 135 for 3 sets of 8
dumbbell bench 60s for the same
db bicep curls 30 3x12 (I use a lot of body motion to get those last reps in!!!)
Wednesday
db flyes with 20lb
more bench press
skullcrushers with 70lbs
Friday: LEG DAY BROO!!!!! !
quarter squats with the foam pad. 135 x 5 x3
quarter leg press with 3 FUCKING PLATES!!!!
more bicep curls.
then I get drunk friday, eat shitty food and then play an hour of road hockey downing 12 beers on saturday.
Do you think I'm suffering from CNS burnout? I eat mcdonalds a lot to get those calories in and I stay up till 3am jerking it to brazzers, but that shouldn't affect it right? I've been tired and lethargic all week.
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02-27-2013, 05:41 PM
"You worried about overtraining? You worried about working, mothafucka" - CT Fletcher.
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02-27-2013, 05:43 PM
"You could lift weights for two hours a day 5 days a week plus more and be fine (I do this myself btw, not knocking that particular regimen whatsoever)."
If you're doing as we've said, then you just contradicted your own argument. Three to five training sessions a week for the OP is not going to ruin him.
Quote: (02-27-2013 05:23 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:
Work out until you get tired.
Stop if you get hurt.
Eat healthy food if you're hungry.
Sleep well at night.
Am I missing something here?
Do your very best to use good form and figure out what's comfortable for you.
I don't know what the other folks in this thread say, but I never train to failure because training to failure makes a shitshow to recover from. If your max is 100 lbs in a lift, you should be lifting at least 85-90 lbs and stop a rep or two below failure. Then do a shitload of sets. That's what I've learned and it works for me.
Cold showers and drinking plenty of water help recovery. I also try not to do the same exact lift two days in a row.
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02-27-2013, 06:17 PM
Getting bigger is easy. Just train and increase your cals & carb intake. If this doesnt fill your muscles with glycogen you are doing it wrong.
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02-27-2013, 08:05 PM
OK Enigma I would reply better but I am short on time and might make a blog post about it since I've been lazy as shit.
Two examples that thwart the overtraining model are bulgarian weightlifters (honestly almost all soviet weightlifters were demanded to treat lifting like a full time job) and manual labor jobs like dock workers and masons.
I'll use Vasily Alekseyev as an example for a soviet lifter. His contemporaries would usually throw around about 20 tons of volume per workout (if I'm not mistaken they would work out five to seven days a week), while Vasily would put up 40 tons on a regular basis, because he was insane and believed more strongly in how he understood his body's reaction to stress than to Soviet weightlifting protocols, and that pushed him to heights that nobody previously had.
Jamie Lewis on chaosandpain goes into enormous depth relating the Eastern concept of staleness to what we think of as overtraining (this is worth a google) and why having the concept of overtraining exist is one of the biggest pitfalls of all newbie lifters, who if they didn't know any better would make bigger gains. There's nothing I could write that he hasn't already done better. People's underappreciation for the capacity of people to adjust to a high workout volume and overappreciation for how much work they do in the gym are at fault here. I'm going to go rub one out and go lifting.
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If you trained for marathons while squatting 5 hours a day you'd die tired and never break a plate on the squat. Those two are like contradictory goals.
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02-27-2013, 09:18 PM
Boost your T levels for better recovery. Zinc has given me raging hard-ons. It's amazing how much better you feel all around when your T levels are higher.
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02-28-2013, 01:26 AM
To gain muscle, NO MATTER WHAT, you need to do these things:
1) eat over your daily calorie maintenance
2) increase weight/resistance lifting over time
A 200 lbs male should be taking 150g of protein a day, minimum. If you lift and you are not taking enough protein you are being massively counter productive. Especially since its so easy to make a protein shake and much more difficult to lift weights.
Worrying about overtraining is one of those small things that you shouldn't be concerned with. Dont confuse over training with allowing a muscle group a few days break to repair itself.
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02-28-2013, 02:13 AM
Enigma no offense but i think now might be a good time to stop posting..
Since this post was originally about protein consumption would anyone make a new thread so we can debate about training frequency...
Mikecf do you think broz athletes are natty? Also dont you think you might end up tearing something if you dont let your muscles fully repair? Ive read a lot of articles about this but i dont want to start posting about training methods that i have never done so if anyone have personally done such routines i would like to know what were your results
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02-28-2013, 02:20 AM
I remember two eminent broz being caught using whatever. Google "broz hgh".
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02-28-2013, 03:58 AM
The human body can adapt to almost anything. It really is a crazy machine. If you've never trained before, and jump into lifting 10 hours a week, and a combat sport, or anything physical, for another 10 hours a week, your body probably won't be so nice to you.
However, if you ramp up to this level over the course of weeks/months, your body can adapt to it and you won't overtrain. When I first started Jiu Jitsu my body was fucked just from 2x a week. A year later I was doing BJJ 4x a week and also doing starting strength 3x a week and could have trained even more. Had I done that from the very start, when I was very sedentary, I would have been in a world of hurt.
Your body adapts much quicker than most people think though, or at least mine does. Had I wanted to, I believe I could have done BJJ and startin strength together much sooner than I did. I'm fairly sure my body would have adapted to it. A lot of people come to Thailand after being sedentary and jump into 3 month long Muay Thai camps doing 2 a days. They are able to ramp up to that level very quickly. Many of them get worn down and sick one or so the first month, but their bodies adjust very quickly and in three months they are in great shape.
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02-28-2013, 07:51 AM
Actually have overtraining as a topic for an upcoming blog-post. But just a few short points on that subject. Having spent 5-6 weeks preparing for a short-deadline competition in CF, I ramped up my intensity and workload by a factor 4-6, and was absolutely not sedantary up until that point. I was really impressed as to how much the body is able to adapt, as long as you keep a few things in mind.
Can you overtrain, and/or get into a state of overtraining - I believe so - I touched close to it, read the signs, and was back in full effect within a day or two. However it was my own fault, and I now know how to avoid it.
Keeping adequate sleep, enough good quality food - then you can really push it, and I mean REALLY push it.
Keeping to many distractions, too much stress from work, life, whatever - then you will within a short period of time feel a dip in motivation towards the training goals that before made you all fired up - your body's way of telling you to relax a little.
But I totally agree that 98% of people who worry about overtraining are by no means training hard enough to get even close.
You guys should also remember to keep the goal in mind. Yes, the body can keep adapting to whatever you throw at it - does is mean that this is the best approach for gaining muscle or the best approach for gaining strength - probably not.