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Roosh's Misunderstanding of Outcome Independence
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Roosh's Misunderstanding of Outcome Independence

I read this old post in Roosh's blog. "Outcome Independence Leads To Failure" and I question his intentions.

But before I explain why, let me ask you guys (forum members) a question.

Why do you bang women?

Is it so you can brag to your friends about your notch count?

Is it to influence your belief that you are better than someone else?

Is it because you want to gain respect from others?

If it is for any of these reasons (or similar) then there is a BETTER way.

If a man has great game does this mean that he'll bang every girl he approaches? Of course not! So what does that make him? A loser?

The whole point of game is LEARNING GAME. There are no masters of game and there is no such thing as perfection…the more you learn the more complete you are as a man, but you will ALWAYS learn…there is no "end game". This also applies in other areas of life too.

Whenever someone sets out the decision to achieve something, success is GUARANTEED. Yes success is GUARANTEED...the only problem for most people is that FAILURE sometimes gets in the way.

I remember looking at an advertisement on a billboard for a clothing company. It was composed of a picture of and a quote from a successful sports athlete.

It said "I don't like failure but I'm not afraid of it".

This rang true to me and I always thought this myself.

Fear has many fathers, but it has one mother. Ignorance. Because we don't fear the things we fear (the result)...we fear the ANTICIPATION of the things we fear.

Image you are on a plane and before you even realised it, it collided with another plane and you along with everyone else on it were killed instantly. Would you be scared? Of course not, because you never knew what was going to happen until it did.

But what if you had a premonition you were going to die on a plane the night before? Perhaps you would dismiss it, but any sign of a problem with the plane mid-flight would immediately invite fear.

The difference between the two? You were ANTICIPATING something to happen in the second scenario.

Unfortunately, for alot of us...we don't even need a hint. Sometimes when see something that we perceive as difficult the slightest possibility of an outcome we don't want is enough to put us off from even trying. There are generally two things that can influence us to make an attempt 1) We have good evidence to believe we can succeed e.g. we know someone less skilled who was successful. or 2) Failure will only affect us a little emotionally.

What beginners and failures never seem to understand is that EVERYONE FAILS. Day in, day out it doesn't matter who you are...how special you are, you are going to fail.

They don't understand that FAILURE is a prerequisite to success.

Everybody who is anybody has failed the very thing they are now successful at.

FAILURE is good for you. FAILURE is YOUR FRIEND. You should never be ANGRY or DISAPPOINTED when you FAIL because FAILURE is GOING TO COME ANYWAY whether you like it or not. The more you FAIL the more you are likely to succeed the NEXT time. Assuming of course you understand WHY you failed of course!

Using the examples Roosh posted on his blog.

Did Alexander the great fail at anything? Well of course he did when he was young other wise he would not require a teacher in Aristotle.

How about when he was more older and experienced?

During Alexander's invasion in India he was seriously wounded in one of the battles and didn't travel further…even though technically he didn't fail, he would've assuming he didn't turn back.

Did Hitler fail at anything? Well he failed to invade Russia and Britain.

Was Theodore Roosevelt unblemished in his early political career? In 1884 he failed to be nominated speaker to Titus Sheard by a vote of 41 to 29 and there were many more failures. TLDR.

Did MLK fail earlier in his campaign? What about the Albany Movement? Though later it was credited as a key lesson in strategy and tactics for the national civil rights movement.

If they were outcome dependent, their failure to achieve their desired outcome what've said something about them as men.

But they knew the outcomes of their pursuits weren't the most important.

Something else MORE IMPORTANT was in motion. They were GROWING as men.

Physical things are NOT the priority.

If someone becomes a Billionaire...his money is NOT the most important...money can be LOST and he can still become BANKRUPT. If an athlete wins a gold medal in the Olympics...the gold medal is NOT the most important. People before and after him have and will win gold medals in the same discipline...not to mention gold medals are just bits of gold attached to a ribbon which could get lost or stolen and can be easily replaced. If someone becomes a successful "player" and bangs 100s even 1000s of beautiful women, his notch count or the women themselves are not the most important. Someones always had more and there is no difference between someone who has had 450 to someone who has 451, also having multiple bangs one week doesn't mean you'll have any the next.

It's important to set goals and strive to achieve them. But the outcome itself isn't important…it's the journey. It's the struggle and multiple failures that count.

I'm not saying failure makes us stronger because it doesn't. That's like saying if you get punched in the face a second punch won't hurt so much...which isn't true.

Instead it makes us prepared if there is a next punch...failure makes us more aware of our shortcomings.

The most important thing about winning isn't the wining…it's knowing how to be a winner.

My views philosophy in life is different to Roosh's and a lot here (and no I'm not a feminist. In fact I've noticed the problem with feminism for as long as I can remember)...so I'm better off somewhere else.

The fact is I do well EVERYWHERE I go.

The more I read Roosh the more depressed I become...I think it's time I stopped.
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Roosh's Misunderstanding of Outcome Independence

Quote: (02-23-2013 07:27 PM)3agle 3yes Wrote:  

I read this old post in Roosh's blog. "Outcome Independence Leads To Failure" and I question his intentions.

But before I explain why, let me ask you guys (forum members) a question.

Why do you bang women?

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The more I read Roosh the more depressed I become...I think it's time I stopped.

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The whole point of game is LEARNING GAME.

Uh, no. You learn game to put your dick in hot girls.

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Roosh's Misunderstanding of Outcome Independence

Jeez what is it with guys from England being such pricks? Ah well.
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Roosh's Misunderstanding of Outcome Independence

Don't judge us all. Troll! IRT would be mates with this guy.

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H L Mencken
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I try not to, but the guys getting banned for being dicks or attacking others are mostly British when they make up a small percentage of the membership.

Americans get banned more for trolling.
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Quote: (02-23-2013 08:43 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Jeez what is it with guys from England being such pricks? Ah well.


Just like Americans. Very polar, either mad cool or total fuck heads. The cool ones outweigh the idiots heavily, which is why I love the Isle so much. On of my best friends is an ex commando. I'd die for him, as he's my brother. I met a good lot over the years over at Camp Bastion also.

Of the sub category of idiots, Brits are more outspoken, as Americans are just fucking ignorant. And ignorance is no excuse.
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Roosh's Misunderstanding of Outcome Independence

I, for one, vote to turn this into a bash-the-British thread.

I love you guys, but it's time.

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Roosh's Misunderstanding of Outcome Independence

ah not you again, remember reading you arguing how British girls are not ugly, they fucking are.

Don't forget to check out my latest post on Return of Kings - 6 Things Indian Guys Need To Understand About Game

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Quote: (02-23-2013 09:08 PM)bojangles Wrote:  

ah not you again, remember reading you arguing how British girls are not ugly, they fucking are.

Your game sucks. Step it up. And get out of London. I dropped $10K there getting my ass kicked. The problem with Brits is ALL you guys travel. FUCK. Zero exotic factor.

Here's how's to get laid. Come hangout with the ATL crew. Pickup the accent, drop the clothes, and return as a rockstar. Ya gotta be someone that girls like.

And for the record, some of my most amazing experiences have been with Brits. Bar none. Fights, fucking, pontificating, and wings. But the wings are at a low.
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I said the same thing the other day. I am British, and when I'm travelling most of the time I'd rather hang with an American, than a British guy.

American guys (who are travelled) are generally cooler guys and more chill. A lot of Brits seem to have a chip on their shoulder, cockblock you and have weesh game.

I love my fellow countryman, but guys from the UK on our level seem to be very few and far between.

Another thing is British guys get very defensive when people criticize the UK, that doesn't mean it's a personal attack on the individual. Americans don't seem to care about this, as they're used to everything American being hated on, so they're not so bitchy.

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Why do you bang women?

Before you ask me why, tell me why not?

Why do guys try and pretend that bullshit walks in the countryside or some other crap is more satisfying than banging fresh, young pussy?

Yes I admit, I am a slave to the pussy, unlike many other guys who rationalise not going after what they want in life.

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Is it so you can brag to your friends about your notch count?

Is it to influence your belief that you are better than someone else?

No it's not, and any man who is remotely successful with women would not ask those questions.
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British men are consistently some of the trashiest, crudest, most boorish men around. The white trash element among ethnic Britons is way higher. The only men who can compete are... Scots and Australians, a total coincidence. I suppose Mediterranean men can be the sleaziest, but the Brits are the worst behaved.

It's not that all British men are this way, far from it. But when you see men behaving badly, in say a mixed group of internationals, the odds they're British is very high.
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Just so you know, when you say British you also include Scots and English.

Since when do men call other men crude, boorish and trashy (answer if he's a White Knight)? I sense a White Knight or female in our midst...
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