[Christian McQueen]

A few of you asked me to elaborate re: me having spent some time with Mystery and Matador so here you go...

I met them in 2008 I believe when I vip hosted at the Purple Lounge at the Standard hotel on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood. Mystery and yes, his fuzzy hat along with Matador and his vest came to the Standard and were trying to get into the Purple lounge. For those of you who know the setup the entrance was through the restaurant. I was waiting for a client when I saw them walk up and have difficulties getting in. I recognized Mystery right away but didn't approach him.

When it became obvious they weren't getting in I exerted my cock power (having fucked the door girl multiple times) and got them in. They were grateful but distant.

Here's where shit gets funny. So Matador is trying to buy drinks at the bar and the bartender asked for ID. Well ole Matador didn't have his ID either lol, so I told the bartender it's fine run the card. At this point Matador and Mystery warmed up to me (as they should) and we proceeded to hold court on the smoking patio. Mystery was/is excellent at drawing in a circle of people I will say. He works on a very subtle level when 'seducing' a girl which is NOT my style but to each their own. Mystery told me 'if I had your looks I would be able to do your game'. I have more of a bad boy direct game type vibe, not sure about the looks although I have modeled etc.

Over the next couple of months I would meet up with them and we did our thing in LA BUT everything changed when Matador's MAIN girl at the time text me out of the blue trying to hang out. I NEVER made a move on her Because I don't fuck my buddys girls. Ever. Well I told Matador about it and he wasn't to pleased. I believe he believed me but maybe hadn't swallowed the red pill completely and found it hard to believe his little snowflake was like all the others.

Haven't had contact with them in years.

[jammer]

How was his game? Did you see him pull? Get blown out? What was the quality of the girls he approached and the girls he got?

[thegmanifesto]

This is hilarious.

The one time I have ever seen Matador out at night it was at The Standard.

I remember when The Standard first opened years ago. It was dope. I would never go there on my own volition in the last 6 years +.

(Side note: the only time I have run into PUA's out at night have been in horrible venues. Should tell you something about the whole "professional PUA" scene".)

I was meeting a friend there (his dumb idea) and I saw Matador. He was with a student I think on the outside smoking area talking to a girl.

I turned my back close to them to listen to the conversation. He was basically asking a lot of stupid open ended questions like, "So where do you like to go out in LA?" or "So what kinds of scenes do you like in LA?" that weren't moving the ball forward or anything.

They were basically questions to "buy time" in the interaction. Real weesh.

The girl was completely uninterested.

After the girl walked off to "meet her friends", he then turned to his student and said, "Did you see what I was doing there, blah blah blah", like he was Cassanova reincarnate or something.

So weesh.

I couldn't believe this guy was paying for this "instruction". That was the 8 thousanth time I realized the who "high-profile-PUA" scene was the weeshest thing on earth. The blind leading the blind.

I saw my friend walk in and I said, "Let's bounce, this place is horrible". Ended up having a great night.

[Christian McQueen]

(02-17-2013 06:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This is hilarious.

The one time I have ever seen Matador out at night it was at The Standard.

I remember when The Standard first opened years ago. It was dope. I would never go there on my own volition in the last 6 years +.

(Side note: the only time I have run into PUA's out at night have been in horrible venues. Should tell you something about the whole "professional PUA" scene".)

I was meeting a friend there (his dumb idea) and I saw Matador. He was with a student I think on the outside smoking area talking to a girl.

I turned my back close to them to listen to the conversation. He was basically asking a lot of stupid open ended questions like, "So where do you like to go out in LA?" or "So what kinds of scenes do you like in LA?" that weren't moving the ball forward or anything.

They were basically questions to "buy time" in the interaction. Real weesh.

The girl was completely uninterested.

After the girl walked off to "meet her friends", he then turned to his student and said, "Did you see what I was doing there, blah blah blah", like he was Cassanove reincarnate or something.

So weesh.

I couldn't believe this guy was paying for this "instruction". That was the 8 thousanth time I realized the who "high-profile-PUA" scene was the weeshest thing on earth. The blind leading the blind.

I saw my friend walk in and I said, "Let's bounce, this place is horrible". Ended up having a great night.

That is funny as f*ck. Yea Standard USED to be dope now I don't even know if that lounge is open and haven't been in years.

That sounds about right Matador tended to talk alot at least when I saw him game. Don't want to put them on blast though they were cool with me so it is what it is, BUT For the record I never got caught up in the PUA world of peacocking etc. I found it retarded. Then again I pull easily so maybe if I had their experience I would feel the need to dress/act a certain way.

[Christian McQueen]

(02-17-2013 05:56 PM)jammer Wrote:  

How was his game? Did you see him pull? Get blown out? What was the quality of the girls he approached and the girls he got?

I saw him pull and get blown out. Any player out there has experienced both.

The quality was 6-7 range. No wonder he got oneitis over that one chick (can't remember her name) she was definitely better than I've seen him pull.

[Samseau]

Quote:

Over the next couple of months I would meet up with them and we did our thing in LA BUT everything changed when Matador's MAIN girl at the time text me out of the blue trying to hang out. I NEVER made a move on her Because I don't fuck my buddys girls. Ever. Well I told Matador about it and he wasn't to pleased. I believe he believed me but maybe hadn't swallowed the red pill completely and found it hard to believe his little snowflake was like all the others.

So much for them being your friends. After Matador blew you off, you should have texted her and banged anyways.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-17-2013 09:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:

Over the next couple of months I would meet up with them and we did our thing in LA BUT everything changed when Matador's MAIN girl at the time text me out of the blue trying to hang out. I NEVER made a move on her Because I don't fuck my buddys girls. Ever. Well I told Matador about it and he wasn't to pleased. I believe he believed me but maybe hadn't swallowed the red pill completely and found it hard to believe his little snowflake was like all the others.

So much for them being your friends. After Matador blew you off, you should have texted her and banged anyways.

Yeah, exactly.

He wasn't your buddy. He was an "acquaintance".

You should have "knocked" him for his girl and "twisted his wig" like Fillmore Slim.

[Christian McQueen]

I have such an abundance mentality I don't need to fuck the shit out of Matador's girlfriend hahaha...but correct 'buddy' is being used loosely here.

I have a pretty hardcore bro-code in terms of guys I hang out with. Too many other girls. That being said I've had actual friends of years come at my main chick which got them exiled into the 'not my friend and I'm loading my gun' island. Ride or Die type she always lets me know when dudes be creeping lol.

[soup]

I think Bro code is important because systemic integrity is usually more important than any particular piece of ass. If your buddy tells you not to fuck his girl, even if he is clearly oneitising, you have to respect that or you aren't buddies.

[germanico]

(02-17-2013 05:49 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

Mystery told me 'if I had your looks I would be able to do your game'. I have more of a bad boy direct game type vibe, not sure about the looks although I have modeled etc.

"But, Mystery, I thought you said looks dont matter..."

Geez, theres the insecurity again. Fear is the game killer.

[soup]

(02-18-2013 02:16 AM)germanico Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 05:49 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

Mystery told me 'if I had your looks I would be able to do your game'. I have more of a bad boy direct game type vibe, not sure about the looks although I have modeled etc.

"But, Mystery, I thought you said looks dont matter..."

Geez, theres the insecurity again. Fear is the game killer.

Did Mystery say that looks don't matter? Looks matter a lot.

[babababalot]

if i had to swap looks with my wing, i'd also want to swap game with him.

[DVY]

I met mystery at medjoools in San Francisco 3 years ago. I didn't know until afterwards. I just thought he was a weak emo-punk dude. (1st impression and all)

He was w/this hot blonde who was maybe 27-28. We were chatting on the balcony, I shared my jay w/them. He bought me a drink.

I dont remember anything specific about it, but he was obscenely tall. I mean I am 6'2, but that guy towered over me.

[soup]

(02-18-2013 11:15 AM)DVY Wrote:  

I met mystery at medjoools in San Francisco 3 years ago. I didn't know until afterwards. I just thought he was a weak emo-punk dude. (1st impression and all)

He was w/this hot blonde who was maybe 27-28. We were chatting on the balcony, I shared my jay w/them. He bought me a drink.

I dont remember anything specific about it, but he was obscenely tall. I mean I am 6'2, but that guy towered over me.

Just goes to show that looks/height don't matter if you are coming from a place of bad game.

[jerome]

(02-17-2013 06:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This is hilarious.

The one time I have ever seen Matador out at night it was at The Standard.


So weesh.

I couldn't believe this guy was paying for this "instruction". That was the 8 thousanth time I realized the who "high-profile-PUA" scene was the weeshest thing on earth. The blind leading the blind.

I saw my friend walk in and I said, "Let's bounce, this place is horrible". Ended up having a great night.

I agree with G, The only time you see these marketing artist type or pua marketers, is at shit venue, I use to see them when I was starting out the game, once I develop my social skill, I started to network my way in to high end clubs, that takes a lot of cash to bribe to just pass the line,

The way I get into the best clubs is to be friends with them, I don't bribe, the only time I do, is when I'm only going to be in that city for 3 days.

Matador and Mystery, have no clue in social dynamics, they cant even get in to the top clubs....because there social skill are shit, social dynamics is a mystery to these to guys. The men, manning the door can see through there con, and most alpha male can see through there fake persona.

I have a lame matador story, I saw once at a bar in west Hollywood I was waiting for my date, I notice he was a tall good looking guy. I also notice he has since of desperation written on his face, I saw him approach two 21 year old, skinny Mexican, who are 6's and was quickly turn down. Keep in mind I think Matador is a good looking guy, I just don't understand why he needs to run game, when he is tall, and good looking. You don't need that much game if your tall and good looking. Like G, said you just need to move the relationship forward, its obvious he is clueless about moving things sexual and forward, he is more interested in getting validation and attention from beta men and the opposite sex, than actually wanting to move the direction towards sex.

[germanico]

(02-19-2013 06:33 PM)jerome Wrote:  

You don't need that much game if your tall and good looking.

Tell that to this guy:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20889.html

[jerome]

(02-19-2013 10:49 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 06:33 PM)jerome Wrote:  

You don't need that much game if your tall and good looking.

Tell that to this guy:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20889.html

There's always an exception to the rule...being a dumb-ass and being Encino man is a problem in itself.

Of course game helps, but come on, being tall and good looking is an advantage, and if your good looking you got to leverage that and must capitalize on it .....

[germanico]

(02-20-2013 12:06 AM)jerome Wrote:  

Of course game helps, but come on, being tall and good looking is an advantage, and if your good looking you got to leverage that and must capitalize on it .....

Yeah, everything good that you have going on for yourself is an advantage, such as looks, money, status, talent, knowledge, intelligence, discipline... Meaning that if you dont have one or any of those things, then you are going to have to work harder to get the same results as someone who does.

But from that to saying "you dont need game if you are tall and good looking" theres a huge gap.

Game trumps everything.

[jerome]

(02-20-2013 03:23 AM)germanico Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 12:06 AM)jerome Wrote:  

Of course game helps, but come on, being tall and good looking is an advantage, and if your good looking you got to leverage that and must capitalize on it .....

Yeah, everything good that you have going on for yourself is an advantage, such as looks, money, status, talent, knowledge, intelligence, discipline... Meaning that if you dont have one or any of those things, then you are going to have to work harder to get the same results as someone who does.

But from that to saying "you dont need game if you are tall and good looking" theres a huge gap.

Game trumps everything.

True,

I agree game does trump all, but when your good looking you got to use it and its alot easier for them, no need to go through what you and I do.

My point is game is not for everybody and everybody should not embrace it...some are happy living a lie, versus knowing the ugly truth of about women.

Some time the truth hurts and makes us jaded and bitter...sometime ignorance is bliss