[nek]

So I've embraced this idea of treating "game" with a little more effort and strategy by doing two things: 1. I've moved to an area of my city within walking distance to the bar scene. 2. Changed when I go out. I use to go out around 9. Now I don't go out till around 1130-midnight. The biggest benefit to this is that you don't drink as much. This helps in a few ways:

- When you arrive, you have your wits when everyone else is a little tipsy. Easier to stand out.

- Arriving late is kind of like a twist in the night's plot. It resurges a woman's excitement so you're indirectly playing to her need for emotional stimulation.

- You're more stoic while the girls are more flirtatious since they're boozed up and you're not. This has a multiplier effect.

- Don't have to worry about whiskey dick

- Have more energy for the end of the night when you should be closing. You'll have enough booze in you at this point to be vibing with everone else but not the sloshed idiot the early starters are.

- If you get confronted by some dude, you can handle yourself better.

It's funny, but a little bit of planning and preemptive effort goes a long way (ounce of prevention>pound of cure idea). Try this out boys if you're not doing it already. You'll like it.

[babababalot]

I go out from 10-12.30, maybe 1. Usually just Thursday night and maybe one of either Friday or Saturday.

I have 4 shots before i go out, I'll hit up all the chicks I like in the venue by saying hello, asking if they're single, if yes, what's their name, etc. paul janka in and out game, get the number, tee up a date, get their preferred day, where they live, bit of small talk, good strong masculine playful impression, and get out of there.

Buy maybe one beer $10, never buy food. Try and keep under $20 per night out.

Maybe get 3 numbers per night (6 per week). That usually gets me 2 dates per week which I'll schedule on a Sunday or Monday or both.

I get to bed by 1, 2 at the latest when gaming, and I'll be able to wake up at 8-9am the next day,

As for the dates, i invite them to a place nearby. I'll buy the first round ($20), they usually get the second, walk back to my place for wine ($10).

This keeps player costs down to around $100 per week (just alcohol though) and keeps productivity high - cant afford to sleep in bed all day.

[pants]

I would say there are many disadvantages about going out late.

Girls not so open after 10 guys hit on them.
Drunken girls are unsexy
Ratio shifts. More men, less girls
Coming sober into an event full of drunken people is like jumping in to cold water. Hard to break through.

[Rah]

Where do you live and what nights do you go out? In my experience American girls out on a weekend night turn into fucking gremlins after midnight.

[soup]

I've hear it said that to get laid in y NYC, all you have to do is wait for closing time and lower your standards. There's a lot of truth to this.

[nek]

I live in a somewhat military town. The scene here is more bar and less club so you get to interact more. There are a few nicer bars with no TV in them so the setting is more intimate. I agree in some major cities (New York comes to mind) going out later can backfire. My success in these spots (and DC) is really about a.) approaching more indirectly and b.) approaching small pairs or individuals. It's the indirect approach allows the girl to start it off so she's probably not gonna blow you up, since it was her idea to start with. There's a leadership lesson in this. In the military they tell officers that the best way to get me to comply with an idea/order is to get the enlisted men to come up with it themselves. You can facilitate it, guide them to discovering it, but if you allow them to vocalize it first, it comes off as their own idea/plan and they are more receptive of it.

On a side note, Going to clubs and approaching groups is shit in my opinion.

[nek]

(02-17-2013 11:38 AM)soup Wrote:  

I've hear it said that to get laid in y NYC, all you have to do is wait for closing time and lower your standards. There's a lot of truth to this.

Exactly. Regardless of the alcohol aspect, most women aren't ready to go home till the end of the night so why not be a little sharper at that point? Having more energy and not being too drunk helps at this crucial point. Plus sloppy drunk on a guy isn't sexy. A little liquid courage can be good, which is the point you'll be at if you start later.

[reino341]

Going out sober is my thing, but I don't go exactly late. It takes me time to get in a social headspace.

[NoBalls]

(02-17-2013 11:38 AM)soup Wrote:  

I've hear it said that to get laid in y NYC, all you have to do is wait for closing time and lower your standards. There's a lot of truth to this.

The better the bar the more difficult it is to get in later in the evening. Sometimes if you show up at 3AM the doorman will say they are closed even though closing time is at 4AM.

I went to a dive bar a few weeks ago at around 1AM (Welcome to the Johnsons) and the doorman said they were at capacity. It did look completely packed inside though.