[thegmanifesto]

(02-15-2013 09:29 PM)kenny_powers Wrote:  

Divorco-

If you have options and are having sex with other women I don't see any issue with going on 6-7 dates or whatever it takes but ONLY if you want a relationship with the woman. I am very patient for what I consider to be the "right' girl as IMO relationship material does not come along that often.

If you just want to bang her once you are not doing yourself any favors going out with her more than 3 times.

Yes, there are "dinner whores". You can usually detect their motives early on because they provide indicators such as serial dating on OKC and Match and or they know every bar and restaurant in a 30 mile radius. If you have any doubts the best way to find out if they are interested in free nights on the town or they are into you is to ESCALATE KINO.

I go eat with girls all the time and I don't think I have ever run into a "dinner whore".

It is almost like an urban myth to me like girls who ask guys to buy them drinks when they are not interested.

Maybe it's the type of joints I roll, but I never run into this.

If girls don't like me, they wont agree to meet me out. They never agree just for a free meal.

But you are right, you have to escalate hard on girls. ABC.

Lately I have been getting cocktails with girls pre-dinner, and I am kissing the girl on the cab ride to the restaurant.

[Merenguero]

(02-17-2013 06:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I go eat with girls all the time and I don't think I have ever run into a "dinner whore".

It is almost like an urban myth to me like girls who ask guys to buy them drinks when they are not interested.

This happened to me once in my life and the girl who asked me to buy her the drink thought I owned the place we were in. Actually, my friend's family owned that place and still does.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

If she wants to wait, I have no problem with it if she's a virgin and doesn't have a hamster. In that case, I'll be very happy to have met her and gladly wait. Otherwise, I'll be offended if she makes me wait longer than she made the quickest of her previous partners (which, according to the laws of probability of women dating mainly alphas and super-alphas, was 1-3 dates).

[bojangles]

I don't stick to the 3 date rule at all anymore, I'm playing it on the fly to be honest, don't even get to the 3 dates majority of the time but one of our lads has collected over 300 lays but one chick he went on 6/7 dates with before he got bang, he was her first and he said he didnt even realise it as he never thought he'd like the girl (she was a warmup daygame set) as she wasnt his type and he ended up going out with her that often without even thinking about it.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-18-2013 04:00 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

If she wants to wait, I have no problem with it if she's a virgin and doesn't have a hamster. In that case, I'll be very happy to have met her and gladly wait. Otherwise, I'll be offended if she makes me wait longer than she made the quickest of her previous partners (which, according to the laws of probability of women dating mainly alphas and super-alphas, was 1-3 dates).

First off, how the hell are you going to know that?

Second, why would you really care?

You guys get hung up on some really weird sh*t on here.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Either my finely developed slut radar, simple extrapolation, or even the girl says it herself (it's truly wondrous what information a non-judgmental attitude can coax out!). And if I know that she banged some guy on the first date because he gave her the tingles, why am I supposed to have understanding for her suddenly "not wanting to get burned again"? It's like Bernie Madoff - no one wants to be that last sucker in the pyramid.

None of this means I won't bang. I'll stay around as long as the bang seems likely in the future, yes, but there's no way I'm going to commit.

[Blaze Frazier]

Women who make you wait are rarely worth the wait.

[Mujeriego]

(02-17-2013 06:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

If girls don't like me, they wont agree to meet me out.

This has been my experience too. If a chick isn't feeling you, good luck getting her to meet up. I don't do online game so maybe dinner whoring is more of an online girl angle.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-18-2013 07:47 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 06:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

If girls don't like me, they wont agree to meet me out.

This has been my experience too. If a chick isn't feeling you, good luck getting her to meet up. I don't do online game so maybe dinner whoring is more of an online girl angle.

Must be an online thing, and I guess that kind of makes sense.

I probably have gone to eat with at least one girl a week over the last 10-12 years and never run into a "dinner whore".

[FourToTheFloor]

It seems to be the case for me that girls are happy to have a fuckbuddy relationship where I see them every few days for about 3 weeks, then they all start feeling uncomfortable.

By this point the girl has usually written me off as boyfriend material.

Any advice that doesn't involve leading them on?

[DarkTriad]

(02-18-2013 07:47 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 06:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

If girls don't like me, they wont agree to meet me out.

This has been my experience too. If a chick isn't feeling you, good luck getting her to meet up. I don't do online game so maybe dinner whoring is more of an online girl angle.

The online dinner-girl was just a rationalization hamster. She did a year of online dating while constantly failing to secure a relationship with a quality guy (because she was so fucked in the head). At the end of the year, rahter than face her failings as a human being, she decided to declare victory and state that she had been just been using these guys for free food for a year.

And another shibboleth was born.

[DarkTriad]

(02-17-2013 06:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 09:29 PM)kenny_powers Wrote:  

Divorco-

If you have options and are having sex with other women I don't see any issue with going on 6-7 dates or whatever it takes but ONLY if you want a relationship with the woman. I am very patient for what I consider to be the "right' girl as IMO relationship material does not come along that often.

If you just want to bang her once you are not doing yourself any favors going out with her more than 3 times.

Yes, there are "dinner whores". You can usually detect their motives early on because they provide indicators such as serial dating on OKC and Match and or they know every bar and restaurant in a 30 mile radius. If you have any doubts the best way to find out if they are interested in free nights on the town or they are into you is to ESCALATE KINO.

I go eat with girls all the time and I don't think I have ever run into a "dinner whore".

It is almost like an urban myth to me like girls who ask guys to buy them drinks when they are not interested.

Maybe it's the type of joints I roll, but I never run into this.

If girls don't like me, they wont agree to meet me out. They never agree just for a free meal.

It is a myth. She WANTS you to be "The Guy". The PRAYS that you're going to be "The Guy". It's incredibly unlikely she's actually going to go on a full date with you having no hope that she's going to like you at all.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-19-2013 11:15 AM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 06:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 09:29 PM)kenny_powers Wrote:  

Divorco-

If you have options and are having sex with other women I don't see any issue with going on 6-7 dates or whatever it takes but ONLY if you want a relationship with the woman. I am very patient for what I consider to be the "right' girl as IMO relationship material does not come along that often.

If you just want to bang her once you are not doing yourself any favors going out with her more than 3 times.

Yes, there are "dinner whores". You can usually detect their motives early on because they provide indicators such as serial dating on OKC and Match and or they know every bar and restaurant in a 30 mile radius. If you have any doubts the best way to find out if they are interested in free nights on the town or they are into you is to ESCALATE KINO.

I go eat with girls all the time and I don't think I have ever run into a "dinner whore".

It is almost like an urban myth to me like girls who ask guys to buy them drinks when they are not interested.

Maybe it's the type of joints I roll, but I never run into this.

If girls don't like me, they wont agree to meet me out. They never agree just for a free meal.

It is a myth. She WANTS you to be "The Guy". The PRAYS that you're going to be "The Guy". It's incredibly unlikely she's actually going to go on a full date with you having no hope that she's going to like you at all.

I think you are right.

The "dinner whore" phenomenon is probably this:

1. Guy meets girl on Plenty of Shrimp or OkStupid

2. Girl think guy is promising because she knows nothing about him because it's online.

3. Girl agrees to meet guy for dinner at Olive Garden, PF Wangs or TJI McFunsters. They split a plate of "Mondo Nachos" and a couple of lite domestic beers.

4. Guy is a buffoon and ruins his chances during dinner with weesh Game.

5. Girl doesn't put out, because guy came so weak to the hole (so to speak).

6. Guy claims girl is "dinner whore" as he got juiced for $17.95 (10% tip included) on a credit card.

7. Girl goes back to check her online profile on Plenty of Shrimp or OkStupid and messages some other Weesh Bearded Weakster (hat tip to Tuth).

8. Guy loads gun and puts it to his head.

[theIVth]

Its taken me up to two years to smash certain girls just because of the circumstances and life. Mainly because of distance or just a weak amount of interests on either side that can be reignited with a phone call or text message. Thats why Im never really an advocate of totally cutting a girl off unless she does something that is really disrespectful or otherwise.

Of course in between time your messing with other girls and their messing with other guys. You hit them up from time to time and see if you can take them out and oneday it just happens...you win them over. Or you see them out and about and the familiarity that is already there allows them to let their guard down and gives you a chance to game them a little different.

Once a girl is in your phone and tied to your network, no matter how loose it maybe, you always have a shot unless she just makes it clear that she wants absolutely nothing to do with you.

[Giovonny]

(02-17-2013 07:19 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 06:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

20+ years and counting..

you married bro?

Ha. No.

I'm referring to girls that I went to school with. Some of these girls I have known for 20+ years. I still bang a few of them occasionally. Last week, a few days before Valentines Day, I got a text from a cute Italian girl that I haven't talked to in years. We were supposed to go to the prom together but I had a gf at the time. We have been trying to bang each other since the 90's.

Strangely, when I talk to or see these girls, I project myself the same way I did in high school, which was very macho, more macho then I am now.

It's almost like I have to stay consistent with the way I was in high school. I have to run the same game. I guess, I don't "have to", but it is interesting for me to see how things I did 20 years ago still produces a tingle in some of these girls.

Honestly, it's because I was on tv a few times, and being on tv produces nuclear vagina tingles that can last for decades.

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In regards to the whole "dinner whore" thing..

I think its mostly a term used by guys with bad date game. They take a girl out to dinner, they offer to pay the entire bill, the girl is not attracted to them, she doesn't want to see him again.

Is she a dinner whore or does the guy have bad game??? Tough to say. It has happened to me. I bought a girl dinner and then never saw her again. You know what the problem was? My game was not strong enough! I didn't calibrate to her worldview. Fuck!

That being said, I know for a fact that there are plenty of women out there who will glady accept a free dinner from a guy she has no intention of banging, so I'm sure it does happen sometimes.

[DVY]

Yea, I've never really understood the whole hate on dinners. Hate on expensive dinners- sure.

Food, esp good food, is one of the most bonding experiences ever.

I took all my dates to dinner and drinks (albeit inexpensive dinner and drinks but still). Drinking w/out food feels like eating peanut butter w/out jelly. OK, but not satisfying.

Edit- I haven't done much online game, but girls I've met in person haven't seemed like dinner whores.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-25-2013 12:09 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Yea, I've never really understood the whole hate on dinners. Hate on expensive dinners- sure.

Food, esp good food, is one of the most bonding experiences ever.

I took all my dates to dinner and drinks (albeit inexpensive dinner and drinks but still). Drinking w/out food feels like eating peanut butter w/out jelly. OK, but not satisfying.

Edit- I haven't done much online game, but girls I've met in person haven't seemed like dinner whores.

Great point.

Anyone who hates the whole restaurant/eating with girls thing you can safely say has never split a half dozen oysters with a bone dry Sauvignon Blanc with a fly girl.

Cost of Oysters at five different sick restaurants I frequent?

$2.50-$3.00 each (non happy hour prices, I don't do happy hour).

Now who says I don't have the Budget Game tips?

Quote:

Drinking w/out food feels like eating peanut butter w/out jelly.

Yeah, I have never understood the attitude.

I figure you have to eat right? Why not eat with a fly girl?

What do guys that hate Restaurant Game do?

Eat every meal of their life by themselves in their apartment and stare at the wall?

[el mechanico]

Salisbury steak

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[Giovonny]

Food is life.

I use food as a way of connecting with girls. I ask about her favorite foods. I talk about the texture of the food, the way its cooked, the different ways to make it, variations, toppings, sides dishes, etc. I try to get her food hamster spinning.

A girl talking about her favorite foods is almost like a girl talking about shoes or handbags,..almost. Alot of us literally have a chemical addiction to the foods we love. I can be almost like a drug. I use this to my advantage. As I'm talking to her, I want all those happy chemicals to release into her body, I want to associate myself with those happy chemicals and that food that she likes.

If a girl says she likes chinese food, I will text her a few hours before sunset and say -- "hey what are doing for dinner? i'm going to that chinese place on 25th ave if you wanna roll".

I probably mentioned that restaurant in one of our earlier conversations.

I guess I use sort of a food related NLP type of game.

When girls leave me, they always say they miss the food. (And, the sex)

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Quote:

Drinking w/out food feels like eating peanut butter w/out jelly.

Unfortunately and/or fortunately, I'm not a drinker. However, I am a big peanut butter and jelly guy. I have eaten peanut butter without jelly. It's not as good. I learned to add fresh fruit. Berries are good, bananas are good. Honey is a good addition.

I saw an interview with Elvis's maid and she said Elvis used to like peanut butter with bananas and honey. I ate that everyday for a few months.

You guys are probably wondering if I'm serious with all this talk about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches...

The answer is yes. That shit got me through college.

[DVY]

(02-25-2013 12:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Salisbury steak

I used to do this sometimes too....

Trader Joe's Spinach Pizza


or

Chicken Nuggets


I had budget game down pat. 5 dollar oven dinners and tequila OJs w/a dash of guava.

I swear girls love chicken nuggets. Ronald McDonald had his chops together.

[Mercenary]

(02-19-2013 02:33 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 07:19 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 06:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

20+ years and counting..

you married bro?

Ha. No.

I'm referring to girls that I went to school with. Some of these girls I have known for 20+ years. I still bang a few of them occasionally. Last week, a few days before Valentines Day, I got a text from a cute Italian girl that I haven't talked to in years. We were supposed to go to the prom together but I had a gf at the time. We have been trying to bang each other since the 90's.

Strangely, when I talk to or see these girls, I project myself the same way I did in high school, which was very macho, more macho then I am now.

It's almost like I have to stay consistent with the way I was in high school. I have to run the same game. I guess, I don't "have to", but it is interesting for me to see how things I did 20 years ago still produces a tingle in some of these girls.

Giovonny - Are these girls you banged when you were younger and still like to bang now, or girls you never got the chance to bang in the past ?

Also...Do they come looking for you when they are single, or when they are with someone who doesn't satisfy them ?

[LastControl]

The one thing that will really piss me off is when a girl holds out on me while she acts like she's chaste, but is really lying. Even if she's fucked former boyfriends (but not one night stands), I don't mind gaming her for a while if I enjoy her company.

But even if I'm already fucking her at the time - if a girl I had to game for a while slips up and tells me she's had one night stands before, I instantly drop her. It's just a self respect thing, I'm not okay with putting in a whole bunch of time and effort to sleep with her when she's put out to past guys in an instant.

Most girls will lie about one night stands anyways so generally I don't trust what they say about the subject anyways.

[PeterJohnsonRichards]

(02-15-2013 07:40 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

Roosh recently wrote about beta orbiter game in Eastern Europe. Sometimes this works. It may be worthwhile to spend extra time on a valuable woman for a long-term relationship because chaste women require longer seduction than single-night skanks.

On the other hand, dating wastes time. Tom Leykis recommends dumping women without sex after three dates. I'm puzzled by why women would date guys for long without sex. Are they just dinner whores? Are the women so bored that they prefer a date with a "nice guy" to being alone with their kids and unicorn dolls? Are they being manipulative? Are they just compliant?

I've had a couple cases in my life where it took around six dates. These involved poor logistics on short, early dates. But I never really felt the women were "into me", and they didn't continue dating after one or two intimate dates. It's weird.

If you always dump girls after sexless first dates then you are abandoning some easy second date opportunities. Even the best guys here sometimes take three dates. But there must be a limit. So my question is: how long would you date without successfully seducing, and when is it justified?

"If you always dump girls after sexless first dates then you are abandoning some easy second date opportunities."

Dude, this is an old rule created by men over decades based on experience, sure some second and third dates can recover you but in the long run you'll be in the red by doing this, like not holding onto a falling stock, getting out when you said you would, not changing your mind because you think conditions changed then regretting your plan,

[Rawmeo]

You shouldn't have to make more effort than the previous guys who are your Eskimo Brothers.

If she had one-night stands before, I expect to get the same easy treatment (and keep her only as a plate).

My longest plate was 2 years. She was catching feelings and started to deny sex in favor of going into her family, etc. but I couldn't get further, as she was the daughter of a single mom. When girls start making more drama and withholding sex, you know it's time to move on.

[markus85]

(03-15-2016 04:23 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

You shouldn't have to make more effort than the previous guys who are your Eskimo Brothers.

If she had one-night stands before, I expect to get the same easy treatment (and keep her only as a plate).

My longest plate was 2 years. She was catching feelings and started to deny sex in favor of going into her family, etc. but I couldn't get further, as she was the daughter of a single mom. When girls start making more drama and withholding sex, you know it's time to move on.

It's happened to me twice recently...aimed for some low hanging fruit (both single mothers) they both wanted me to wait a minumum 5 dates before it progressed to anything sexual

Turns out they were both still fucking the father of their children.