[Sargon of Akkad]

(02-14-2013 12:55 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

you can find club rats that screw easy or you can find good girls. I don't think it's an act. They seriously have never been to a bar at 24 because they do math on weekends.

Clever Alias,
I wasn't trying to imply that these "good-girls" were faking their behavior, only that among some, there is a strong social incentive to be this way.

Also, I've noticed most girls there seem to lose their virginity significantly later in life (around early 20s).

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I think gaming at a club is pointless because 1) the chinese get in the door and drink themselves to sleep or sick, usually by 1 am they are throwing up and passing out and 2) lots of girls at clubs are hookers, even if they don't seem like it.

This hasn't been my experience. Though, admittedly, I'm mostly familiar with Beijing's nightlife. I didn't notice any more excessive drinking in Chinese clubs than anywhere else.

As for hookers, I've personally never encountered them inside clubs, only old men who stalk foreigners outside bars and clubs, walking up to you and shouting "HelLO! Lady bar?"

[jdreise]

(02-14-2013 12:55 AM)clever alias Wrote:  

given how clean the shanghai subways are, i find it surprising that you saw someone pooping on the subway.Babies shitting into storm drains however, no longer surprises me

I was only in Shanghai 6 days so I don't know if these were fairly normal sights but I DID see exactly what I described. The woman who took a dump was obviously crazy and it cleared out the subway car and caused lots of yelling. Also, it wasn't like those other situations where parents open their kids ass fly and let them relieve themselves in public-- the kid started pissing and the mother was very slow to correct him. People were scolding her for that. The couple was rather discreet in that you couldn't see any skin but everyone there knew what they were doing.

It was just my experience and I wrote about it just to provide a narrative of what kinds of crazy stuff I ran into in China.

I don't know what other information on this thread you've classified as misinformation but now that you've made that claim there is no reason not to follow through and continue to point those things out.

[clever alias]

i was in a smaller city so its probably different in terms of clubs, but they did not know how to do kt. theyd show up, order bottle service, sit on their iphones, and go ag it. by 1230 or 1, the club has almost no chinese.

[Sargon of Akkad]

It's also true that 'authentic' Chinese clubs are quite different from those intended for foreign visitors. These are the main differences I've noticed.

1.) There is a much stronger emphasis on table service.

2.) Generally, there is a tendency towards cheesy, annoying techno music.

3.) More public performances.

4.) As a foreigner, you'll more commonly be "hit on" by guys who want to show off to their friends that they're socializing with you.

5.) On the other hand, you'll likely be the only foreigner there, so you can make more use of "exotic capital". It should be very easy to meet people.

6.) Alot of free stuff is passed around, but this is mainly just fruit and non-alcoholic drinks.

7.) You'll see alot of people playing the "dice" a.k.a. shai zi (色子)

8.) Most girls are surrounded by a few guys.

9.) (not that relevant to picking up girls) They frequently have names including the word "Coco", such as "Coco Love", "Coco No. 1", etc.

Basically, they have a very different vibe from the "foreign" clubs. On the other hand, I wouldn't go too much for the clubs geared only toward foreigners, as these tend to be the biggest sausage fests, and the girls are mostly Western tourists. I think the best choice to lay some pipe would be a place with a good mix of maybe 30% foreigners and 70% Chinese.

In Beijing, the places where I pulled the most were "Propaganda" and "Sensation", both of which are located in Wudaokou, near most of the Universities in the Haidian District. Wudaokou is also a decent place if your looking for Korean girls.

A good choice for black guys and/or hiphop and reggaeton fans I used to frequent would be "Red Club", located in Sanlitun.

[clever alias]

(02-14-2013 12:50 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

It's also true that 'authentic' Chinese clubs are quite different from those intended for foreign visitors. These are the main differences I've noticed.

1.) There is a much stronger emphasis on table service.

2.) Generally, there is a tendency towards cheesy, annoying techno music.

3.) More public performances.

4.) As a foreigner, you'll more commonly be "hit on" by guys who want to show off to their friends that they're socializing with you.

5.) On the other hand, you'll likely be the only foreigner there, so you can make more use of "exotic capital". It should be very easy to meet people.

6.) Alot of free stuff is passed around, but this is mainly just fruit and non-alcoholic drinks.

7.) You'll see alot of people playing the dice game shai zi (色子)

8.) Most girls tend to be surrounded by a few guys.

9.) (not that relevant to picking up girls) They frequently have names including the word "Coco", such as "Coco Love", "Coco No. 1", etc.

On the other hand, I wouldn't go too much for the clubs geared only toward foreigners, as these tend to be the biggest sausage fests, and the girls are mostly Western tourists. I think the best choice to lay some pipe would be a place with a good mix of maybe 30% foreigners and 70% Chinese.

yes, completely. clubs in america is a big dance floor with a few tables around it. a club in china is tons of tables packed in around a small dance floor, with booths around the edges. and they play the shit out of loud house music. I used to see more preformances in the summer, and they always had some weird shit going on, like guys in skin tight leather humping the ground or something weird.

i see the dice game a lot, and it's a great way to jump into a table. I also see some variation of rock paper scissor they play with big groups.
as for the guys who hit on you, they creep me the fuck out. but its generally easy to flex foreign status and get whole bottles for free. this is especially true where you are literally the only foreigner in the place.

[Fortitudinal]

(02-14-2013 01:01 PM)clever alias Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 12:50 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

It's also true that 'authentic' Chinese clubs are quite different from those intended for foreign visitors. These are the main differences I've noticed.

1.) There is a much stronger emphasis on table service.

2.) Generally, there is a tendency towards cheesy, annoying techno music.

3.) More public performances.

4.) As a foreigner, you'll more commonly be "hit on" by guys who want to show off to their friends that they're socializing with you.

5.) On the other hand, you'll likely be the only foreigner there, so you can make more use of "exotic capital". It should be very easy to meet people.

6.) Alot of free stuff is passed around, but this is mainly just fruit and non-alcoholic drinks.

7.) You'll see alot of people playing the dice game shai zi (色子)

8.) Most girls tend to be surrounded by a few guys.

9.) (not that relevant to picking up girls) They frequently have names including the word "Coco", such as "Coco Love", "Coco No. 1", etc.

On the other hand, I wouldn't go too much for the clubs geared only toward foreigners, as these tend to be the biggest sausage fests, and the girls are mostly Western tourists. I think the best choice to lay some pipe would be a place with a good mix of maybe 30% foreigners and 70% Chinese.

yes, completely. clubs in america is a big dance floor with a few tables around it. a club in china is tons of tables packed in around a small dance floor, with booths around the edges. and they play the shit out of loud house music. I used to see more preformances in the summer, and they always had some weird shit going on, like guys in skin tight leather humping the ground or something weird.

i see the dice game a lot, and it's a great way to jump into a table. I also see some variation of rock paper scissor they play with big groups.
as for the guys who hit on you, they creep me the fuck out. but its generally easy to flex foreign status and get whole bottles for free. this is especially true where you are literally the only foreigner in the place.

Agreement on this. Dangerous, its easy to get carried away and drink waaayyy more than you should. Its nice feeling like a rockstar and everyone offers you drinks, smokes, hang out. You will be invited to drinking contests, etc. But as soon as they realize you are hitting on their women or cant really communicate, you'll get dropped.

I had some serious wild nights not spending a dime, thanks to the local generosity. I made sure to reciprocate as much as I could, but on their turf you wont beat them. Nice people though, I never had an issue.

I guess if I had drank less and game more I would have gotten laid more. Oh, well, live and learn.

[Alpharius]

Just about every foreign guy I know in China who wants a Chinese girlfriend has one. Old, young, ugly, babyfaced, handsome, rich, poor, psychotic, doesn't matter. They all have one if they want one.

Foreigners are rare here, especially when you get out of the major international cities (Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing). There are places where you damn near cause car accidents walking down the street because people stare at you. Status is huge, and being with a man who everyone notices is a big deal to a lot of women. That being said, here's what I can glean from guys who have buried themselves up to the chin in Chinese women.

Get a QQ account. It's a basic instant messenger system that everyone has and uses all the time. A lot of girls will be more comfortable giving you their QQ# than their phone number. That's okay because they'll be on QQ everyday and will be open to chatting with you on QQ.

You can flash cash to get attention at Chinese clubs, but it's usually not necessary. Like someone earlier mentioned, people are going to buy you drinks to show off (be careful of that tea and whiskey drink, it'll ruin your life). Chinese clubs don't have much space to dance, they don't go to dance, they go to drink! And drink. And drink some more. Everyone goes to get drunk, not dance. The dancing is mostly for entertainment. You don't need to dress up like you would if you were going out back home, just don't wear anything dirty and you'll be fine.

English? Everyone learns a little, however it's good to learn some Chinese so you can mix in a little bit. Most people have terrible oral english skills, and learned a little in high school before promptly forgetting 98% of it. That won't stop drunk Chinese dudes from trying, however. If you can say, "My name is.../I'm from.../two beers please" you'll be able to fit in a lot better.

China is dirty as hell. I've seen guys drop trou and shit right on the street. Babies held over a trashcan to pee in the meat dept of a grocery store? Seen it. Coughing, sneezing, puking any/everywhere? I've seen that too. Nose picking doesn't even bat an eyelash. At first I was concerned about hygiene but I've gotten to the point where it only fazes me if my shirtless bbq cook comes out of the bathroom holding my meat skewers in his hand.

Public displays of affection? It's mixed. I've seen women sit their and dedicate time to popping pimples on their boyfriends cheek and wiping the snot away from his nose with their hands. I've also seen girls seem traumatized by the simple act of a guy putting his arm around her in public. I honestly don't know what to tell you about this one.

Pollution here sucks. I spent a week out of town and came back to find my scooter covered in a layer of grime. Then again, I live in one of the 10 most polluted cities in the world, so what can you expect?

[RawGod]

(02-17-2013 09:26 AM)Osiris Wrote:  

Pollution here sucks. I spent a week out of town and came back to find my scooter covered in a layer of grime. Then again, I live in one of the 10 most polluted cities in the world, so what can you expect?

Yes, in researching China I've concluded I could only live in one of the few cities with reasonable air, like Kunming. It really limits the options, but I have to reluctantly admit that keeping my lungs clean is even more important than sex.

Thanks for all the info so far, it's been an informative thread!

[RoScience]

Hey talk out of your ass some more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...es_by_area

(02-13-2013 06:48 PM)clever alias Wrote:  

america is technically larger than China in terms of landmass, unless you actually include Taiwan

Lots of information on here about China, some I agree with, some I don't, but everyone has different experiences. There was a data sheet about Hangzhou where I spent a deal of time and I disagree with huge amounts of it.

The best way I would describe China is similar to how Vietnam is described in the quiet american
"you learn a lot in the first few minutes, the rest has got to be lived"

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-17-2013 12:44 PM)RoScience Wrote:  

Hey talk out of your ass some more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...es_by_area

(02-13-2013 06:48 PM)clever alias Wrote:  

america is technically larger than China in terms of landmass, unless you actually include Taiwan

Lots of information on here about China, some I agree with, some I don't, but everyone has different experiences. There was a data sheet about Hangzhou where I spent a deal of time and I disagree with huge amounts of it.

The best way I would describe China is similar to how Vietnam is described in the quiet american
"you learn a lot in the first few minutes, the rest has got to be lived"

He qualified his statements but it seems you cannot understand written English.

http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populat...yareal.htm

[RoScience]

Way to use a credible source asshole

(02-17-2013 12:48 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:44 PM)RoScience Wrote:  

Hey talk out of your ass some more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...es_by_area

(02-13-2013 06:48 PM)clever alias Wrote:  

america is technically larger than China in terms of landmass, unless you actually include Taiwan

Lots of information on here about China, some I agree with, some I don't, but everyone has different experiences. There was a data sheet about Hangzhou where I spent a deal of time and I disagree with huge amounts of it.

The best way I would describe China is similar to how Vietnam is described in the quiet american
"you learn a lot in the first few minutes, the rest has got to be lived"

He qualified his statements but it seems you cannot understand written English.

http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populat...yareal.htm

[clever alias]

us: 9,826,675 km2
china: 9,706,961 km2
wikipedia

[RoScience]

us: 9,629,091 km2
china: 9,706,961 km2
wikipedia

(02-17-2013 01:10 PM)clever alias Wrote:  

us: 9,826,675 km2
china: 9,706,961 km2
wikipedia

[Vacancier Permanent]

RoScience,
Watch your mouth when you talk. You're more than welcome to post constructive comments that are relevant to the topic. No place for childish comments. This is not the hood, but a place for adults to share intell. Capisci? Other wise I smell the Damocles' sword on your neck very soon...

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-17-2013 01:09 PM)RoScience Wrote:  

Way to use a credible source asshole

Welcome to Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

Bad troll is bad. We missed you IRT. Welcome back!

[RoScience]

Lmao, don't tell me what to do. I didn't know using the word asshole is considered being "hood." As a well traveled gentleman like yourself I'd assume you'd make less ignorant and even racially implicit comments. Faget.

And yea anyone can edit a wikipedia page, but they also have to cite it. In this case they cited the UNITED NATIONS. And if your source was more legitimate you would have already made that case.

(02-17-2013 01:15 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

RoScience,
Watch your mouth when you talk. You're more than welcome to post constructive comments that are relevant to the topic. No place for childish comments. This is not the hood, but a place for adults to share intell. Capisci? Other wise I smell the Damocles' sword on your neck very soon...

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-17-2013 01:29 PM)RoScience Wrote:  

Lmao, don't tell me what to do. I didn't know using the word asshole is considered being "hood." As a well traveled gentleman like yourself I'd assume you'd make less ignorant and even racially implicit comments. Faget.

And yea anyone can edit a wikipedia page, but they also have to cite it. In this case they cited the UNITED NATIONS. And if your source was more legitimate you would have already made that case.

(02-17-2013 01:15 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

RoScience,
Watch your mouth when you talk. You're more than welcome to post constructive comments that are relevant to the topic. No place for childish comments. This is not the hood, but a place for adults to share intell. Capisci? Other wise I smell the Damocles' sword on your neck very soon...

Are you saying the CIA is not a credible source then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Factbook

[clever alias]

jesus its less than 100 thousand kilometers who gives a shit?

[RoScience]

lol, the CIA is a US entity. The UN serves the interests of close to 200 countries.

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/p...able03.pdf

(02-17-2013 01:32 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 01:29 PM)RoScience Wrote:  

Lmao, don't tell me what to do. I didn't know using the word asshole is considered being "hood." As a well traveled gentleman like yourself I'd assume you'd make less ignorant and even racially implicit comments. Faget.

And yea anyone can edit a wikipedia page, but they also have to cite it. In this case they cited the UNITED NATIONS. And if your source was more legitimate you would have already made that case.

(02-17-2013 01:15 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

RoScience,
Watch your mouth when you talk. You're more than welcome to post constructive comments that are relevant to the topic. No place for childish comments. This is not the hood, but a place for adults to share intell. Capisci? Other wise I smell the Damocles' sword on your neck very soon...

Are you saying the CIA is not a credible source then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Factbook

[Vacancier Permanent]

If it smells like a troll, then it must be a troll....

[RoScience]

"If I don't like what someone is saying, they must be a troll" -VaCancer Permanent

(02-17-2013 02:11 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

If it smells like a troll, then it must be a troll....

[BadWolf]

My conclusion after being here for awhile..

China really isn't a place for 'players'... and now having met a really life 'player', I would say, players plz stay the fvck out of China, you are giving western men a bad name. The large majority of Chinese girls are pretty innocent and nice girls. Most are virgins and most are very trusting. A bunch of them know how to cook and clean and are hoping to get knocked up, wifed up and pump out a few kids. Shame is still a big part of the culture here and women experience it everyday, its not uncommon for neighbours to shout 'whore' at a woman that is cheating or even having sex outside of marriage. In the country-side its almost 3rd world and marriages still happen by purchasing a bride, the current Lowest price I have heard of is just shy of 10,000 DOLLARS. Now if you are a laowai, you don't have to subscribe to any of that cultural bs but for the average Chinese guy, he is making an investment. A Chinese guy won't pay sh1t for a woman who isn't a virgin. A woman's worth is usually based upon her virginity and people will throw down big bucks for that here but the women here play for keeps.

China is largely a destination for picking up a wife and popping out kids. It is still anti-feminism and therefore 'game' doesn't exist here. Players are basically just scumbags, especially the ones I've met. One guy I know of had twins with a girl, then fvcked off to a different city and didn't bother to get citizenship for the children from his own country... he also refuses to pay child support (there is no govt support here) so these children will likely grow up in near poverty conditions. He is addicted to prostitutes and fvcking... he has 3 children from different women here and several million rmb in the bank. The girl he was with was from the country side and has a house with no electricity (not uncommon). He changed his phone number, apartment and wouldn't even pay for an abortion. He successfully ruined 6 people's lives because the grandparents now have to pitch in and get jobs to take care of the family. A country-side person here earns about 0.25 cents an hour, a middle class salary is $500 bucks a month. An apartment in the city is about twice the price of your standard middle class dwelling in Canada. $300,000 DOLLARS is typical for a 2 bedroom piece of sh1t on the outskirts of town. His kids will never be able to afford anything. Sick.

I know of another guy who would, like a predator, would invite women back to his apartment under the guise of 'friendship' and go into real life creeper mode. (1st date) He'd lay on his bed and demand they fvck him or leave... well this wouldn't be an issue in the West, usually women would just leave. This guy though, he would get the girl to spend all her money, lie his face off about everything, invite women from far off places, pay their way down but NOT back, then start grabbing their boobs and pvssy and if they didn't put out, he would throw them out in the middle of the night with no money. If they did put out, he would continue along that line until they found out he was a liar and then throw them out. There is no help for these young girls, usually just kids 18 to 21, there is no social service and the police don't care. I'm sorry but I've lost almost all respect for any guy who calls himself a player here. Most Chinese girls are still very nice, the last time this happened, a girl showed up on my doorstep crying and complained that the guy nabbed the cash from her purse and lost her jacket with phone and wallet. I live near the guy. I helped her call her family to wire some money to go home. The week after, I went to see him and he was telling me she was a complete bitch that freaked out when he tried to grab her from behind and get on top of her, he tossed her sh1t out the window when she was in the bathroom. He was on the phone while talking to me setting up another date. He is about 350 lbs, none of it muscle, as you can imagine the girls aren't exactly thrilled to fvck but they do want to meet a foreigner for the prospect of marrying. I have the good mind to bury this fvcker six feet under but I guess its not my business really... I can only imagine how mad this would make a brother or father... he doesn't see anything wrong with his behaviour. I told him that what he's doing isn't right even for players at home, I mean hell...even thieves have a code right.... just disgusting.

Another example of western scumbag players... mmm.. one guy I know dates multiple young virgin women, promises them all marriage and switches girls as soon as he's had his way, I know thats advocated on the forum but I think its really sick personally... I'm sorry but here most women believe its one man one woman forever. These guys are bringing western baggage to this country and making us look bad. These women are actively hoping to marry a western guy and make a mixed blood baby, they are considered extremely attractive.

If you are coming here 'to play' then you will most definetely be attracting the gold diggers and women that you wouldn't want if you were at home in North America. It sounds strange but if you want to live a life free of feminism you also have to get rid of all of its constructs too, 'the game' being one of those. This country has a real chance of pushing back against feminism, I don't want to see that destroyed by a few scumbags. Chinese women are 'easy' because they haven't been exposed to slut behaviours yet, they don't support slut walks and have a general disdain for western women's behaviour. Its sad to see people taking advantage of this. There is no social/government support of any kind for women and single motherhood is something to be ashamed of. If you have a baby out of wedlock, you should go into hiding because you will be the brunt of everyones jokes. Being a homo is not celebrated here and tolerance is usually met with a loose brick or metal pole. A man goes out and brings home the bacon and a woman makes up the nest and takes care of the children... being a man here is great, all the women wear skirts, pantyhose and dress very feminine. The men basically do whatever they want in their off hours with the guys and the women get together over coffee or whatever. It is the life I have always wanted...

There was a push for a more feministic approach about 10 years ago in some of the first tier cities, it didn't work out and left a bunch of girls with no men willing to marry them. Those are the girls everyone talks about that are willing to go along with dating and sex out of wedlock.
What Osiris forgot to mention is that the only women who go to clubs are usually prostitutes. Nightclubs here aren't for dancing, they are for men to hook up with women for sex and those women will charge. Had a friend goto a nightclub, meet a girl and she went back to his place pretty quick. After he finished, she demanded a couple hundred RMB plus cab fare... he was like WTF?!?! and before you know it she was on her cell with some of her friends and they came to his apartment screaming and shouting in the middle of the night, he paid her to leave. The women you meet at nightclubs are not what they appear to be. The other type of woman at the nightclub is a bargirl or ex-prostitute... almost all of the women in nightclubs have links to the underworld, they aren't the kind of women you'd want to bring home to mother. Best to stay out of nightclubs unless you bring your own women AND friends. I have more than once been accosted by angry Chinese guys when with my wife. Once a guy tried to pull my wife out of the nightclub while I was at the bar getting a drink, she just managed to break away and I guess the little douche fled the area. He was screaming that she should not be dating a white devil. The night clubs here are not the samethings we think of at home, most Chinese people CANT/WONT dance, and public displays are usually reserved for entertainers and marketing gigs. You can probably find safer clubs around Nanjing or the university districts but alot of nefarious individuals tend to congregate at them. Imagine nightclubs of the 1950's and 60's and the types of guys that would hang out there, what do you think would happen in the deep south if they had seen a black guy walk in with a bunch of white women hanging off him. The same happens here in China, racism is alive to the tune of 10 million males who won't be getting any, don't kid yourself, its not a place to be fvckin with the locals. My brother in law smashed in a neighbours head the other day with a brick during a village brawl in the countryside. The neighbour was calling my wife a whore for being with me. There isn't a law out there. I guess I should loan him that 1000 rmb....

I'm married here and quite happy with just the one. She deserves better then that. These guys doing this all the time makes me look great in my wife's eyes and my employer. Usually when I tell people that I'm married, they back down right away and change their tone. They do a complete 180 and I'm looked at as more part of the family as opposed to a 'foreign devil'. I was at the hospital a few weeks ago and the doctor was examining me. My wife popped in and started talking to the Doc. Within a few minutes he was giving me the thumbs up and wrote all of my perscriptions off. I think the entire visit ran me a dollar fifty plus 5 sets of pills. He said he was really happy to see a mixed marriage and wasn't sure at first, if I was one of those 'other guys'. He gave me his number and told me to call if I ever need to see a doctor again or need medicine.

For the other poster who was smoking a joint, you have to be insane to do drugs in China, we are talking the Death penalty in some areas. Its a different world here.

If you want to play, go to Korea, they are basically westernized asians.

[FretDancer]

Damn BadWolf, great post.

I've thought about it before, and it sucks. Many chinese girls are indeed good girls, its hard to believe for westerners who are used to bitchy american women and latinas. Those examples you mention about those scumbags really got me thinking.

When I go to China I want to lock a really feminine, cute, sexy and good chinese girl. But I also want to enjoy the pleasures of many gorgeous chinese women, however I don't want to be another of those scumbags you mentioned, honestly!

BadWolf, where in China do you live? I believe what you said, however its also hard to believe it applies to more western-influences places like and huge cities like Shanghai and HK. Just how I feel, what are your thoughts on that?

[clever alias]

(02-17-2013 03:10 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

Damn BadWolf, great post.

I've thought about it before, and it sucks. Many chinese girls are indeed good girls, its hard to believe for westerners who are used to bitchy american women and latinas. Those examples you mention about those scumbags really got me thinking.

When I go to China I want to lock a really feminine, cute, sexy and good chinese girl. But I also want to enjoy the pleasures of many gorgeous chinese women, however I don't want to be another of those scumbags you mentioned, honestly!

BadWolf, where in China do you live? I believe what you said, however its also hard to believe it applies to more western-influences places like and huge cities like Shanghai and HK. Just how I feel, what are your thoughts on that?

Even western influenced places, there's not a whole lot of western influence. Even in shanghai english speakers are hard to find

[BadWolf]

Wasn't expecting a reply that fast.

First tier cities have first tier women. Shanghai, GZ, BJ... if you want to meet westernized Chinese then thats where you go. Women there are obsessed with money and bmw's and other garbage like that... BJ is where this song comes from. HK is a different animal on its own, its basically a western city in China. Would not recommend it unless YOU are a gold digger.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/videos/no...rsion.html

Of course, thats not all the women but a large majority have been born into the upper class and money is going to be a major pivot point for them. Getting with a foreigner to them means $$$ and status upgrades. These are the women that foreigners usually talk about when they say that Chinese women are obsessed with money. I'll give you an example of an upper class in China: my ex. She had a card that had no limit on it and was apparently wiped each month by her dad. He worked for the govt doing something scientific. The govt provided two apartments for them, both of which she will inherit. The apartments are 5 bedrooms, a huge living room, dining hall and their own elevator. She has a car, land in the country-side and is worth a few million right now. She used to buy all of my grocerices/clothing and take me to nightclubs. She was attending school in Canada and bounced back and forth every 6 months. She attended a very exclusive English school where she learned from the best (me) haha. This is who lives in Shanghai/Guangzhou and BJ. The west really has no idea what they have created but there are millions of these women. She was mostly westernized. She will inherit everything her grandparents and parents have saved. Millions and millions, she will expect great things from you. As long as you are ok with her doing whatever she wants, whenever she wants, then by all means... but for some odd reason, these types of women are always BPD crazies.

I'll sum up the lyrics quickly: "If you don't have a house and your car is just a tiny BMW and you have no money in the bank, you can't marry me nyah nyah nyah".

YES this is actually what they are saying.

Now all women aren't like that but if you want to find the good ones you'll have to hit up the country side. If you are thinking of going out there, strap on a backpack, a police baton and guard your money, its like stepping out into the road warrior's wasteland. There is almost NO law whatsoever in the countryside except what the 'village' leader decides is law. Each village has its own dialect and local language so even if you speak or know Chinese, there is no way to communicate without a guide/friend. The village leader is usually a rich guy and what he says is decided with a couple thousand RMB. The women there are so poor that the whole family might all live in one area, in one small house and all of them will likely be farmers working on the rice paddies. They sell watermelons off the backs of donkeys and might have an electric tricycle to move their vegies back and forth between the village and the 4th tier cities. My wife comes from the lower class... she's great. A meal at KFC is a big deal for her. My wife's family home has no electricity, no running water and a community toliet. She appreciates everything I give her. This is in one of the richest parts of China, try imagining one of the poorer provinces...

This is the reality of China... its 1st world till you hit the end of the city line, then its 3rd world wasteland. The majority of the population resides in the countryside and their children try to migrate to the cities for a better life. The children usually end up sending ALL of their money home to support their parents, brothers and sisters. That one child policy (now two child) is only for city dwellers. Most countryside kids will have siblings and if its brothers watch the fvck out, they aren't the math nerds with glasses you see walking around the west... My other friend said that he and his wife were out in they're village when a fight broke out between two families over some land and three of her brothers ran into the fight armed with bricks. (seems to be the weapon of choice here) The brother that came back told them to get out the back way, run and don't look back.

So thats how his spring festival weekend went down.

My wife's brother is a local badass aswell and has his own set of 'boys' he calls whenever sh1t goes down. Chinese have a habit of swarming when they are outnumbered and they will drop everything for family and run into the fray. I think they get a bad rap in the West for being wimps cause of the mathletes who walk around the universities... poor people can't even afford the bus let alone a ticket abroad. These are the REAL chinese. Some of the farmers up North even carry around these weirdly shaped knives for shuckin corn with... The Chinese are not to be fvcked with... I've already got the 'talk' from her brother which basically amounted to "you make my sister hurt and I'll hurt you, now give us a hug and a mixed blood". I didn't think anything of it until I started meeting 'the rest of the family'.

If you want to discuss anything personal then I'd rather do it via PM.