[Checkmat]

This is the perfect time to start my initial 100 approach log. I started reading PUA stuff in 2007, and sporadically over the years sprinkled some approaches in here and there without getting tons of results. In the past, it was when I started keeping an online log of approaches that my results exploded as well as a few other things going in my favor. Mixed night game/day game, pretty much all Neil Strauss-learned stuff which worked great.

Just ended a torrential >1 year LTR with a beautiful yet crazy girl (no shortage of those it seems). Tons of daddy issues, substance abuse, depression/anxiety medicated etc. I read on here that there is no relationship problem a man has that can't be solved by fucking more girls, so that's what I intend to do

Moving to New York (just outside the city) in a few days, and plan on starting my 100 approaches once I arrive. Did three lousy approaches today that didn't hook, and will continue to practice and approach but I'll start logging once I land in New York and begin "officially."

Starting notch count is 9 lays, at age 24.

One thing that's in my favor is that I'm very good in bed. This helps on a mental level when I look at women before cold-approaching, because I know for a fact that dating me/getting fucked by me will be a very positive experience for them and I will blow their minds. Women in the past have said things to me like, "You are the best I've ever had," "You are amazing", "I don't even know what to say! (right after sex, in short breaths), and "you could have any woman you want!" (while in a convo about if I will call her back or leave her hanging).

Anyway, I will be focusing mostly on day game for a couple of reasons:

-I don't want to date women that like to party/go out/drink all the time
-I want to date girls that I can respect
-I don't drink a ton, and hate loud clubs
-Girls are usually alone during the day, so no cock blocks/dudes to compete with.

Read Roosh's Day Bang but it's in transit with the furniture I'm moving to NY. Once I get to my new place I'll read it again cover to cover and get re-acquainted with the Day Game model.

Like I said I'll be living close to NYC but outside the city. I'll be only a couple miles away from a local college with a medium-sized campus. The area is heavily Italian-American and Latino immigrants. Never been with either an Italian or Latina so it'll be lots of new experiences for sure. I'll also be writing about the local culture and how girls seem to be.. Expecting some Jersey Shore-type stuff but we'll see.

[Checkmat]

With Day Game, my sticking points are:

-Not freezing up. I can usually open no problem, about a book or a phone but after that I find myself kind of looking at the prop and nodding, repeating whatever she has said, saying things like "oh wow, cool.." or "oh man!" and just kind of not going anywhere.

-Getting her to laugh. I've had some halfway decent convos in day game but they are painfully boring. I can't imagine a girl being turned on/intrigued by a straight-faced convo with a serious guy. Plus it's just not me!

and the HUGE one:

-Getting her to ask a personal question. I feel like I do drop bait pretty consistently, but it's been VERY rare that anyone has asked a personal question. I'll drop bait such as, "In my sport...", "Where I come from...", "At my job, you could never do stuff like that..." "When I compete/train in my sport..." This seems like stock material from Day Game so I'm wondering why it hasn't been getting the slightest nibble. I think out of 20 approaches maybe 2-3 personal questions have been asked.

[Giovonny]

(02-10-2013 12:55 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

I'm very good in bed. This helps on a mental level when I look at women before cold-approaching, because I know for a fact that dating me/getting fucked by me will be a very positive experience for them and I will blow their minds.

God bless you!

[alphanov]

Hey man, I have about the same specs as you do (no approach anxiety and awesome in bed). Except, since I'm a foreigner, they're curious and I get asked a lot of personal questions. Often the girls themselves start mentioning gf/bf things or go downright intimate (ex. "are you confident about the size of your penis?"). However, so far no bangs with the natives in this shithole I'm in. God give us both strength.

[Vicious]

(02-10-2013 12:55 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Starting notch count is 9 lays, at age 24.

Quote:

Anyway, I will be focusing mostly on day game for a couple of reasons:

-I don't want to date women that like to party/go out/drink all the time
-I want to date girls that I can respect
-I don't drink a ton, and hate loud clubs
-Girls are usually alone during the day, so no cock blocks/dudes to compete with.

I predict that you are setting yourself up for a disappointment.

While I understand your criteria I think you are making a beginner's mistake by posing such tough restrictions on yourself. You should be out there doing EVERYTHING to get the notch. Then and only when you can get that can you start being truly selective. And the part that I've emphasized, just what kind of rom-com fantasy is that? If you find out a girl has her clit pierced are you going to stand up in the middle of the date because you don't respect her any more?

Concnetrate on just getting willy wet to begin with and learn from that. You can't go straight to the NBA from driveway hoops.

[Arcais]

You will get more comfortable with your approaches over time. See your approach in a light-hearted way and drop some jokes. Make fun of her, tease her, get her to open up a little... I'm a really serious guy too all the time and it helps if you have an 'off' day from being serious and just run wild with your approach. Women really love the free-spirited type. They don't want the broken down guy who is battered. Focus on improving your lifestyle and you might see some significant personality changes. I know I have.

[Checkmat]

(02-10-2013 08:51 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 12:55 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Starting notch count is 9 lays, at age 24.

Quote:

Anyway, I will be focusing mostly on day game for a couple of reasons:

-I don't want to date women that like to party/go out/drink all the time
-I want to date girls that I can respect
-I don't drink a ton, and hate loud clubs
-Girls are usually alone during the day, so no cock blocks/dudes to compete with.

I predict that you are setting yourself up for a disappointment.

While I understand your criteria I think you are making a beginner's mistake by posing such tough restrictions on yourself. You should be out there doing EVERYTHING to get the notch. Then and only when you can get that can you start being truly selective. And the part that I've emphasized, just what kind of rom-com fantasy is that? If you find out a girl has her clit pierced are you going to stand up in the middle of the date because you don't respect her any more?

Concnetrate on just getting willy wet to begin with and learn from that. You can't go straight to the NBA from driveway hoops.

Realistically I'll bang any girl >6 although as far as relationships go, my lifestyle doesn't mesh well with party girls.

I'm all about racking up notches, but if I can date some cool interesting girls along the way I am all for that.

Didn't mean to sound narrow-minded or like I'm only going to target virgin book worms.

[Checkmat]

Finally got settled in NY. I'd been putting off pulling the trigger on starting this and then the other day in Subway, I saw a cute girl behind the counter and decided now was a good time to start my 100 approaches.

Approach #1

The girl taking my order was so-so, but the second girl behind the counter had her back to me. Her body was awesome and when she turned around I realized she was a butterface. It made me feel a little more boisterous, and I thought back and forth on whether or not to talk to her. I was wearing gym shorts and a grey hoodie, unshaven etc so not feeling fly but whatever. She rang me up at the register and I noticed her nails were multi-colored, but chipped and fucked up looking beyond belief. I said to her with a smirk, "Those nails look like they need to be done pretty soon." She laughed and lit up, and she told me they are always effed up because she is an artist and works with paint. Despite the bait drop I didn't follow it up too strongly. We bantered a little bit and she accused me of making fun of her nails. I told her I was just giving her a friendly tip (in a cocky tone). Nice little flirtatious convo, for whatever reason I felt like "Oh this was a good first approach! Better not fuck it up" so I just left after that without escalating. Def could have swooped her though, she was very open to chatting with me.

Going to do two approaches per day bare minimum. A sticking point of mine is like the above, I'll often eject early if things go well just because I don't want them to get awkward. It's out of fear though, so I need to master that emotion and not let it fuck my shit up.

[XXL]

(02-10-2013 12:55 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

One thing that's in my favor is that I'm very good in bed. This helps on a mental level when I look at women before cold-approaching, because I know for a fact that dating me/getting fucked by me will be a very positive experience for them and I will blow their minds. Women in the past have said things to me like, "You are the best I've ever had," "You are amazing", "I don't even know what to say! (right after sex, in short breaths), and "you could have any woman you want!" (while in a convo about if I will call her back or leave her hanging).

is it based on dominance/sexual chemistry or do you know some cool tricks we don't know about? Just curious

[Checkmat]

(02-26-2013 04:10 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 12:55 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

One thing that's in my favor is that I'm very good in bed. This helps on a mental level when I look at women before cold-approaching, because I know for a fact that dating me/getting fucked by me will be a very positive experience for them and I will blow their minds. Women in the past have said things to me like, "You are the best I've ever had," "You are amazing", "I don't even know what to say! (right after sex, in short breaths), and "you could have any woman you want!" (while in a convo about if I will call her back or leave her hanging).

is it based on dominance/sexual chemistry or do you know some cool tricks we don't know about? Just curious

Pretty much digested/internalized as much Dan Rose and David Shade material as I could. A lot of it is based on dominance yes.

[NYC13]

are you doing these approaches in Manhattan?

[Checkmat]

(03-01-2013 01:07 AM)NYC13 Wrote:  

are you doing these approaches in Manhattan?

No, in a surrounding suburb not far from the city.

[Checkmat]

Approaches #2 and #3

Been slacking lately on this mission. Had to drop some dead weight recently and work has been keeping me busy. Weak excuses I know. I need to start making more of an effort and just do the damn approaches.

Both of these are in the gym.

Approach #2
While doing some warm up stretches there was a cute brunette in pink shorts next to me using the ab wheel, which is impressive to see a girl using. She was a soft 7. She had ear buds in but I leaned over and waved, saying "Excuse me." She took her ear buds out and I pointed to the ab wheel. "Is that good for your abs?" (total bullshit since I have an ab wheel in my car and use to work on doing rollouts from the feet with it. Great training tool.)
She said "Oh yeah, its great," blah blah blah. I asked her, "How do you use it? It looks pretty tough." She said "Oh you just roll out with it. Wanna try?" I said sure and feigned liked I didn't know what I was doing but did a full roll out from the knees. "That's not too bad" I said to her. "You know, I saw this guy once..Actually it was in a video, and he was doing this but from the feet." "All the way from the feet?" she asked in surprise and shock. "Yeah! It looked crazy. Can you do that?" She said "Oh no way. I just do them like hallfway from my knees. But it's a great piece of equipment, you should get one." I nodded as if I was thinking over her suggestion. I thanked her and went back to my stretching.

Again, ran out of ramble and didn't drop any bait. I keep hitting the same sticking points it seems like.

Approach #3
In the gym there was a beautiful, athletic looking girl deadlifting next me. Slamming body AND deadlifting? Hell yes! Just my type.

I was squatting and after a few sets I noticed she was taking her plates off the bar. As she did I casually walked over to her weight rack and said "Excuse me," but she didn't hear me due to head buds in her ears. When she turned around I waved and she took them out as I said, "excuse me, are those ear buds any good?" They were stock Apple white ear buds that I knew all about since they come with most Apple products. She told me yeah, that they are Apple ear buds. I feigned confusion and said "Oh so they come with Apple products?" She said yes, that they used to but don't anymore. She mentioned I could get them online for 5 bucks.
"I've been trying to find some ear buds that stay in my ears when I lift in the gym" I said.
"Have you tried the kind that wrap around your ears?" She said
Truthfully, I had and they work great. I had to fib so I told her, "Yeah, but I'm really looking for ear buds that will stay in my ears. I don't really like that kind."
She nodded and said "Yeah I mean I run outside with these no problem."
"Yeah that's a big problem for me, is running outside or deadlifting and squatting in the gym. They always fall out."
"Well, you should definitely try these and see if they work for you." She said.
I lost steam completely and didn't know what else to say, so I thanked her and wheeled around slowly to my squat rack. She walked off.

During this approach she interrupted me a couple of times while I was rambling and there were a few weird moments when we were talking over each other. It didn't really flow and I didn't drop any good bait. At the same time though, Roosh says in his book that you should ramble about the prop for a while first before dropping any bait too early. I felt like I needed to ramble but the ramble was so boring and I felt like I touched on ever facet of the prop (ear buds). She had given me the advice and she seemed like the convo was over.

Sticking point: NEED to continue to ramble about the prop and just talk for a few minutes. Bring up related anecdotes or short stories to go with whatever the topic is. Good job keeping it impersonal and not scaring the cat. No girl has blown me off yet or even given the cold shoulder. After I ramble for a good period of time, then start dropping some bait and get her to ask a personal question.

[Giovonny]

(03-15-2013 12:29 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Approaches #2...

...in the gym.


...She had ear buds in but I leaned over and waved, saying "Excuse me." She took her ear buds out and I pointed to the ab wheel. "Is that good for your abs?"

She said "Oh yeah, its great," blah blah blah. I asked her, "How do you use it?It looks pretty tough." She said "Oh you just roll out with it. Wanna try?"

I love it. I am always talking to guys about gym game AND overcoming girls with earphones on.

Checkmat just gave us the best way to handle both situations..

(03-15-2013 12:29 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  

"Excuse me."

That's it!

Next time you see a girl at the gym that you want to talk to.. Just do what Checkmat did..

Say "excuse me" and ask her about whatever exercise she is doing..

Simple, effective, gym game..

AND, simple, effective way to overcome earphones!

2 words -- "Excuse me"

Genius.

Thanks Checkmat.

(03-15-2013 12:29 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  

Approach #3

I was squatting and after a few sets I noticed she was taking her plates off the bar. As she did I casually walked over to her weight rack and said "Excuse me," but she didn't hear me due to head buds in her ears.

When she turned around I waved and she took them out as I said, "excuse me, are those ear buds any good?"

We have no more excuses for opening girls at the gym or opening girls with ear phones in.

"Excuse me" is one of the most powerful tools in pick up!

Here is more info on opening girls with earphones in:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-7598-p...#pid109585

[Checkmat]

Thanks Gio. Haven't had a bad reaction from a girl like OH YOU ARE INTERRUPTING MY IMPORTANT KATY PERRY SONG or anything like that. As others mentioned, they even seem to like being brought back to reality when 99% of guy would write them off as unapproachable.

[Checkmat]

Approaches #4, #5, #6, #7 and #8

St. Pattys day weekend so went out with a couple of buddies from work. Had a terrible night and yet at this stage it's all about exposing and recognizing flaws and establishing a base. It's a learning process so I'm not too beat up about it. It's just draining to have to struggle so much in the beginner phase.

It's been YEARS since I've ran night game and I have forgot just how INSANELY different it is from day game.

Approach #4
My buddy had two girls approach him that he had met a few weeks before at this bar. They are both short and have potch-marked faces from acne scarring or idk what. I'd rate them as 6's and probably assume an easy close. One of the girls has gigantic breasts so I make her my target. After we shake hands I ask them if they know the LA handshake. They don't so I show them my standard way of slapping hands witha snap with people (lots do it instinctively).

They kind of fumble around and my target we'll call Big Tits or BT says "I'm not going to do that." with a smirk. I banter or w/e with her and they ask me if I'm from LA. I tell them no, that I stayed there for a few months (true) and they ask where I am from. At this point I am confused because from day game I know that these personal questions are GOLD but I had forgot how truly meaningless they are at night. I tell BT to guess and she is silent in thought. I tease her to her friend saying how funny she looks deep in thought and her forehead wrinkles up so much. Don't recall the reaction. She guesses a city close to where I'm from so I tell her good guess and my true city.

I tell her, "I bet you're from around here" and she says something smart and I find out she is. I tell her, "oh, there's nothing wrong with that." At which point both her and her friend seem offended and say "UH WHY WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT?" I recoil mentally and say "oh there's not" trying to be nonchalant. BT's friend says "uh then why did you say no that theres anything wrong with it?" I have no comeback. I shrug and smile like a dope.

BT starts bashing on my city with smirks and says to me, "I'm kind of an asshole." At this point I feel like I'm trying to game a masculine, alpha-female. God damnit. I don't have anything smart to say and kind of freeze up. She laughs at me and goes back to talking to her friend. At this point I'm still "in set" with my two buddies, the two girls and one of their guy friends. The two girls are chatting up my friend that they know and seem to like him a lot. Lots of kino and laughing. I am kind of standing there with my other friend with our drinks, bullshitting and looking around. I re-initiate a few times with BT with miserable results time after time. I don't know why I felt I couldn't just leave it alone, probably because I rationalized that we had a "we dont get along" vibe and I could harness it. Didn't go well. At one point she even said, "he tries so hard!" Wow. Probably the most painful set of my life because I couldn't or didn't eject.

Approach #5
After a while I realized the bar ratio was getting really, really good. Lots of girls were coming in without guys.

I saw 3 girls, 2 cute ones and one short ugly one walk in. One of them struck me as the dancer type, maybe a ballerina so I walked over to her friend and said, "Let me guess, she is a dancer." She laughed and told me yes! I told her I could totally tell just by the way she presented herself. Her friend the dancer leaned over and asked what I asked. She told her and they both laughed. Some light banter about being a ballerina and being like one of those girls from Black Swan.

We're joined by the 3rd, ugly, girl. I asked them how they all know each other and find out the dancer and the ugly girl are sisters! I'm kind of shocked. I say to the two cute girls, "So I bet you guys are best friends" and they say yes. I give them the best friends test but they don't really respond with tons of enthusiasm. At this point I kind of run out of steam and the dancer's friend says to me, "Well, it was REALLY NICE meeting you (in fake tone), but we're heading THIS way". Wow. What the fuck! Blown out like that sucked and I was starting to feel beaten down from the two bad experiences. The drinks really started coming down the hatchet at this point and the rest of the night is a blur.

Approach #6
Rejoined my group. We're right by the door which is PERFECT logistically because every single girl that comes in the bar has to walk right next to us. A tall brunette walks by with a plastic cup filled with clear liquid. I ask her, "Is that a vodka club?" She tells me yes and nods. I tell her I'm really good at guessing drinks. I bail and turn back to my group as she walks away. Weak attempt.

Now my friends bounce bc one has to work in the AM and the other, I don't know. So by myself at this bar, I leave and wander back to my car to sleep. I get in the back seat, lie down for 30 minutes or so then open the door and puke on the curb. I pull myself together and get out the car in search of pizza. I'm as drunk as I've ever been in my life.

Approach #7
I somehow make it inside a pizza place and take a piss in the bathroom without incident. I eat a slice and notice a blonde girl sitting alone eating a slice of white pizza. I walk over and ask her if she knows any other places for good pizza since this place ran out of plain cheese. She starts telling me about a place down the block that sucks but has pizza. I am standing there for a second while she eats her slice, kind of rambling about whatever and she is asking my name, where I'm from but in a really bored tone like "yeah, these are standard questions I spit like a robot to everyone". Eventually for some reason I ask her if I can have some of her pizza and she says no. I get up and leave in a drunken stupor.

Approach #8
Wandering around the sidewalk and rows of bars, I notice two cute girls outside of a dive smoking. I ask them if they know anywhere to get good pizza around here. They mention the place I just left, so I inform them of the lack of plain pizza situation there. They suggest another place nearby and then I think I start asking if they know a place that is showing the UFC fight. They both are unsure and somehow we start just bantering about whatever. I'm really drunk at this point and forget big sections of this set. I remember one girl was thick but cute brunette and the other was thin and uglier with red hair.

They finish their cigarettes and invite me inside the dive with them. We go inside and I lean against a beam while they stand and talk to me. Probably the only good move I made all night in terms of framing. I find out the two girls are best friends and one is a teacher, the other is a physicians assistant. They ask me what I do and I tell them in somewhat more interesting terms than just spitting out my occupation. Forgot for night game it's always best to make up something funny and say you live off the land or something.

I run best friends test on them with mediocre results as before. Not sure why this isn't hooking as much as it has in the past. At some point in the interaction I run out of steam and don't seem to have anything else to say or convos to bring up. I couldn't remember any of the DHV routines from Neil Strauss or Mystery that I've used in the past with success in night game. My game tonight felt so weak and almost nonexistent. It was TOO DAY GAME-ISH. Boring convos and not enough high-octane fun.

Eventually the girls got bored and just walked away from me without saying anything. They joined a third girl by a table. I stood around for a few minutes and then left.

I went back to my car and somehow made it home in one piece. Even stopped at Wendy's for a medium fry.

[Checkmat]

Overall, last night was a very painful experience. It reminded me a lot of my first solo night out in Atlantic City a couple of years ago. That night was a very tough introduction to solo night game. I wandered around AC sober, approached a few girls with HORRENDOUS results and eventually had Chinese food with a random group of people I met on the side walk. I drove home alone and bummed out.

I really dislike night game. It's fucking loud, expensive, girls are super-self-entitled because they get approached nonstop all night. I saw even some of the ugliest girls at the bar getting approached by decent looking guys. Girls that I wouldn't even approach and my standards are negotiable at this stage.

Day game is definitely more my type. Girls are usually alone, have their bitch shields down and you can actually have a real conversation without yelling.

Roosh advises not to mix day game and night game initially because of how different they are.

A few months ago I was in a club and ran like 10 approaches, machine gun style. NONE stuck and many of them said the same thing as girls last night: "Well it was nice meeting you but I have to get back to my friends." What does that mean I am doing wrong! I guess they are wondering, "Uh oh, I wonder how long this guy is going to stay for. Better get away while I can." Ungh.

So yeah, tough night and yet I'm glad I just did the fucking approaches, period. Have momentum now that I can use to slingshot forward to success and get better. That's all I care about right now--Just fucking improving.

[Ensam]

Sounds like you need to tighten up your game a bit. You had BT on your hook in Approach #4. She was just testing you to see what you were made of and you backed down. The correct response to "why would you say that about our city" would be: "it's just something I hear, you girls aren't like that are you?". Flip the script, get them to qualify themselves to you.

Don't take shit so personally. Treat everything like it's a game (duh, we call it Game). When a chick out maneuvers you think, "damn nice move, how do I counter that". Girls want you to seduce them. They want you to win. If a girl is DTF she'd rather meet a guy man enough to fuck her sooner rather than later so she wont have to put up with lame conversation and orbiters all night. Be that man.

[Checkmat]

(03-17-2013 09:55 AM)Ensam Wrote:  

Sounds like you need to tighten up your game a bit. You had BT on your hook in Approach #4. She was just testing you to see what you were made of and you backed down. The correct response to "why would you say that about our city" would be: "it's just something I hear, you girls aren't like that are you?". Flip the script, get them to qualify themselves to you.

Don't take shit so personally. Treat everything like it's a game (duh, we call it Game). When a chick out maneuvers you think, "damn nice move, how do I counter that". Girls want you to seduce them. They want you to win. If a girl is DTF she'd rather meet a guy man enough to fuck her sooner rather than later so she wont have to put up with lame conversation and orbiters all night. Be that man.

You're right. I understand all of that in theory but in practice I had a hard time harnessing it that night. I was just very out of state and not in a good mood.

[XXL]

something relevant to daygame in NYC..

[Checkmat]

Approaches #9 and #10)

Approach #9

Had to pick up something at the store after work so I swung by a big box store. Something annoying I noticed was, many of the pretty girls I would see and want to approach would have something like Pampers in their shopping carts, giving away mom-status.

Eventually I see a lone brunette with her back to me in the light bulb aisle. I walk up next to her looking at light bulbs.

"Excuse me," I said to her. As she turned to face me I looked at the light bulbs next to her. She was older, like late forties. An attractive woman nonetheless, I can never seem to harness sexual energy when talking to much older women like this.

"What is the difference between those coil-kind and the normal round ones?" I pointed towards the High Efficiency bulbs. She was confused. "What do you mean, coil kind?"
I clarified which I meant and she said, "They are more energy efficient." Very matter-of-factly.
I said, "Oh so they're better." "Yeah," she said. I think I rambled a little more about getting the wrong wattage type in the recent past and being unsure which kind to get. She asked me what the bulb was for and I told her a floor lamp. I also explained that when I put a bulb in the lamp, it shorted out.
"Oh, it was too powerful." She told me, "That can start a house fire." For some reason I smiled mischievously at her when she said this. Kind of a smile that said, "Oh man I am so stupid I really could have fucked that up. That would have been bad!" This was an automatic reaction of mine, not something that I want to put out. Typing this now, I realize what it subcommunicates: low self-esteem and nervousness. I should have just nodded and continued.
She told me to look at what the label on the lamp says and get that kind of bulb. I rambled on some more about how the bulb had different wattages on it like 45w, 60w etc. "Does it have different brightness settings?" She asked. "No, just click on and off" I said. This whole light bulb thing is a legitimate issue I'm having now by the way so it was sort of an authentic approach. I knew what HE bulbs were, though.

I ran out of ramble and looked back at the wall of light bulbs. I thought I'd drop some bait, and said, "I just moved into a new apartment and have so much of that type of stuff to take care of." She said something in agreement about how annoying it ca be. Giving a sigh, I told her I was just going to wait and not buy anything until I know for sure. I smiled weakly and told her "Thanks for your help anyway." She smiled back and said no problem.

As in the past, I'm simply running out of ramble. I felt a little weird going on and on about a light bulb and my light bulb issue. I felt like while she was very helpful and even inquired about my issue by asking non-personal questions, her patience was wearing thin and I didn't want to test it by rambling too long. My bait definitely wasn't juicy enough.

What I COULD have said, was simply, "I just moved here from out of town and have so much shopping for my place to do." That would be much more interesting than "I just moved into a new apartment." I dunno, what if she didn't bite that juicer bait? Just continue on about something else? This is my sticking point.

Approach #10

Wandered around the store some more and saw no more potential sets. I had what I came there for so I went to the check out and noticed two girls in a line. I got in line behind them. Noticed they were putting a CD on the cashier counter and I recognized it as the new Justin Timberlake CD.
"Excuse me," I said, and as they turned their heads toward me I looked past them and at the CD. "Is that Justin Timberlake?" They both nodded and quickly said yeah. "Ah I thought so," I said, getting ready to continue to ramble. They spoke quickly though. "It's right over there on the rack." They thought I was interested in buying it. I already began speaking so I continued, "Yeah because I saw him on SNL last week. He's really popular right now." Again they kind of interrupted me after I said "last week" by saying, "yeah it's because his new album just came out." After I finished my sentence it just died. They were both very unattractive, something I didn't know until they turned their heads toward me.

In this set, I got thrown off my groove. When they started talking quickly and unexpectedly, my own speech rate quickened. That whole last sentence I said was almost said like on big word. This is a problem I've had my whole life, and I think it comes from being afraid that the person will interrupt me if I don't get everything out really fast. My mom is a chatter box and will interrupt me constantly on the phone or in convo, which is where I think this issue comes from. I've had a lot of success in the past from a post I read on Roosh V forums someone made. It was called "5 things NOT to do that will help your game." One of them simply said, "Slow. The. Fuck. Down."

I even had a job interview once where I absolutely DESTROYED it. It was one of my finest moments. I expertly used vacuums, pauses and a slow speech rate to really stand out. The interviewer would ask me a question, and as soon as he would finish asking I would count in my head, "one..two..three" before answering. Made it seem like I was thinking about the question instead of being quick to reply. Not only that but it legitimately did let me think about the questions and give better prepared answers.

Anyway, two not-great approaches but I'm keeping everything in perspective. I've done approaches and stuff before but never really consistently or with a ton of drive. This 100 approach study is precisely to build a base in terms of cold approaching and working Roosh's Day Game model. Might go out again with co-workers this weekend but it'll probably be at night and will require a switch-up in terms of gaming strategy.

[Checkmat]

(03-19-2013 02:32 PM)XXL Wrote:  

something relevant to daygame in NYC..

Nice post XXL! I love Tom and the Daygame guys. Have this video ouf theirs called Conversation King that is really great and full of awesome information on how to just carry on interesting conversations with people. Not interview-style crap like most guys do: "Where are you from? What do you do? What's your name? What are you doing now?"

It helps that Tom is far from attractive and yet still is on top of his shit. Thanks for posting that, it reminded me about them.

[Divorco]

(03-17-2013 09:03 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

BT starts bashing on my city with smirks and says to me, "I'm kind of an asshole." ...

That was a flirtatious, teasing, shit-test to see if you could banter and stand a little heat. You obviously flunked. Here is the correct answer; memorize it.

"Glad you like it" (said with a smirk or grin).

Seriously, this is great. It is nonreactive, contrary/bad-boy, and throws them off balance. They have no comeback, while you sit there comfortably grinning. Basically your are a noncompliant "asshole", and you correctly pegged her attraction to this quality. She can laugh at herself. But any further conversation by her is a submissive acknowledgement that she like you and your asshole qualities, that you know this because it happens a lot, and that you don't particularly care.

[Checkmat]

(03-19-2013 04:13 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 09:03 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  

BT starts bashing on my city with smirks and says to me, "I'm kind of an asshole." ...

That was a flirtatious, teasing, shit-test to see if you could banter and stand a little heat. You obviously flunked. Here is the correct answer; memorize it.

"Glad you like it" (said with a smirk or grin).

Seriously, this is great. It is nonreactive, contrary/bad-boy, and throws them off balance. They have no comeback, while you sit there comfortably grinning. Basically your are a noncompliant "asshole", and you correctly pegged her attraction to this quality. She can laugh at herself. But any further conversation by her is a submissive acknowledgement that she like you and your asshole qualities, that you know this because it happens a lot, and that you don't particularly care.

No, I think you may have misread. What she was saying is that SHE is an asshole. This was after she was bashing my city and saying some other jerky stuff.

[Checkmat]

Approach #11

Stopped by the grocery store to get a couple of things. I grabbed a tube of super glue because I cut my finger pretty badly the other day and need to close it up before grappling tonight.

I noticed a small brunette in an aisle but she was moving away (laterally) out of view. I kept after her and eventually found her standing still. I walked past her, turned back and asked her if she knows if it's true that super glue can be used as a bandage for cuts. I am horrified to see that while her body is seemingly thin and good, her face is beyond bad. She looks like she fell off of a cliff and landed face first in a batch of thorns.

She seemed amused by the idea of super glue as a band-aid and told me no, that she thinks it'd make your finger fall off (wtf?). She goes on to mention that her mom is a bowler and uses a certain brand of liquid bandage when she needs to be fixed in a jiff. I asked if she knows the name of the stuff or where I can find it. She tells me probably the pharmacy in the grocery store, then she takes out her phone and offers to call her mom and ask. I tell her that's not necessary and that I can find the stuff in the store. She smiles weakly at me and I can tell that she wanted me to keep talking to her. Great, the first girl to hook is ugly as fuck and doesn't even pass the boner test. Her face is really bad.

I find the stuff and look around for her after, and spot her in line. I get in line behind her and say, "Yo, I found it" she is happy to see that and teases me a little about the super glue. I give her a slight shove and knock on her for teasing me about it (wtf am I doing). So we're in line now and I see she is holding bags of frozen shrimp. I say, "Looks like you're making a nice little dinner tonight." She says yeah, that she is making shrimp cocktails and shows me the sauce she is using too. I tell her it sounds good and that I make a good shrimp scampi. "Oh, that sounds more involved" she says. "Yeah, it's a little fancier" I reply.

Banter kind of dies out. At this point I'm still on the fence on whether or not I even want to bang this chick. I could do it I guess but I'd have to not see her face at ALL. I really want to just get the ball rolling and get some notches right now, but my conscience is telling me, "NO CHECKMAT!"

The rest of the convo is pretty lame. I learn she just moved to New York from somewhere nearby. I fucked it up here and instantly said, "Oh I just moved here too!" No bite from her and the convo stalls. Now I am just confused because Roosh's day game model isn't working. She was showing interest before and I drop bait but she isn't asking any questions. I drop some more bait about "where I'm from, the sports fans are the craziest," after I saw her Yankees credit card. Still no bites.

She had a hard time getting her items to scan so I tried and it worked. She told me ,"Oh it must have been you!" I tell her yeah, her shrimp just needed to be in my presence. Now it'll taste even better. She laughs a little. End set.

This was just annoying. I feel like I forced myself to NOT ask her any questions, when the natural flow of the conversation would have allowed for some deeper conversation and investment on her part. She was dropping bait to ME it seemed like, and by not biting on it and instead dropping my own bait, she must have thought I was just competing with her to talk about myself. I don't know, it just didn't feel smooth. Forget how she looks, I just wanted a set to go well and pull a fucking number.