[Excelsior]

[Teedub]

I'd be intrigued to see how he'd get along in England doing this. I hope most people would react like the black dudes in this did, but I think it would depend on the area.

[Hannibal]

(01-31-2013 01:42 PM)soup Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 01:29 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  

I think it's because white guys are a lot less confrontational with each other, so when they actually do get confronted they don't know how to act, so they escalate pretty quick.

That one at the end there looked like he was going to get his ass handed to him, though.

The first one was lame as hell, I think the guy was quoting a movie when he was trying to intimidate Vitaly.

To be honest, I think if someone walked up to me and asked if I even lifted, then made fun of me, I'd probably get violent if he looked smaller.

Ha, why? This doesn't resonate with me at all.

I've been at a college campus for the last couple years and all I've noticed is that guys in and below my age are passive aggressive. Some of the behavior I've seen from dudes here bends the genders. The campus is probably 90% white.

When they actually get confronted, the fights end in about thirty seconds, people either break it up or someone takes a couple swings and knocks the other guy on his ass.

You probably have more experience with this than I do, and I'm assuming that you're referring to what I said about white guys getting a lot angrier when they're confronted by some random fuck in the middle of the day, so I'll admit that I'm just speculating.

(01-31-2013 01:42 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 01:37 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  

Yeah, I'm starting to think how I should respond if someone actually challenges my masculinity in public.

Sharp tongue and a quick right.

Let dudes know that you will not tolerate such disrespect. If they persist, knock 'em the fuck out. End of story.

In my book, guys like this never get a chance to say "I'm just fucking with you," because fucking with me means disrespecting me, and that is not acceptable under any circumstance.

That's my problem. I'm not too quick on my feet with comebacks and shit. Never have been and I've always avoided shitty arguments like that ever since I was young.

I've never actually been in a fight or confronted like that guy did in the video. I put one guy in the hospital, but it wasn't much of a fight (he was attacking my brother). I've been threatened before, but they usually sit down when I tell them that I'll knock them on their ass if they start anything. Girls seem to do this a lot more now and they get pretty upset when I remind them that if they didn't have tits, they'd have a broken jaw.

[Teedub]

I'm not ripping off Fight Club, but I think every man needs to have had a physical altercation in his adult life (post-puberty) just to see how he reacts. That might sound like a stupid immature statement to make, but I believe it to be true.

[Hannibal]

(01-31-2013 02:42 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

I'm not ripping off Fight Club, but I think every man needs to have had a physical altercation in his adult life (post-puberty) just to see how he reacts. That might sound like a stupid immature statement to make, but I believe it to be true.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I think to add to that statement, he should lose the fight.

[Cincinnatus]

(01-31-2013 02:42 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

I'm not ripping off Fight Club, but I think every man needs to have had a physical altercation in his adult life (post-puberty) just to see how he reacts. That might sound like a stupid immature statement to make, but I believe it to be true.

I wrote about this back in May of last year:

(05-28-2012 09:52 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

... a man should deliver at least one good ass-kicking in his lifetime, and receive at least one good ass-kicking in his lifetime.

I've experienced both. Builds character.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-13237.html

[Teedub]

(01-31-2013 02:53 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 02:42 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

I'm not ripping off Fight Club, but I think every man needs to have had a physical altercation in his adult life (post-puberty) just to see how he reacts. That might sound like a stupid immature statement to make, but I believe it to be true.

I wrote about this back in May of last year:

(05-28-2012 09:52 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

... a man should deliver at least one good ass-kicking in his lifetime, and receive at least one good ass-kicking in his lifetime.

I've experienced both. Builds character.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-13237.html

I too have experienced both. There is nothing more exciting/nerve-wracking than the moment a fight breaks out between you and another man. Especially when sober. Plus, nothing more terrifying than when you know you're going to lose.

[MrXY]

(01-31-2013 01:42 PM)soup Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 01:29 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  

I think it's because white guys are a lot less confrontational with each other, so when they actually do get confronted they don't know how to act, so they escalate pretty quick.

That one at the end there looked like he was going to get his ass handed to him, though.

The first one was lame as hell, I think the guy was quoting a movie when he was trying to intimidate Vitaly.

To be honest, I think if someone walked up to me and asked if I even lifted, then made fun of me, I'd probably get violent if he looked smaller.

Ha, why? This doesn't resonate with me at all.

I've noticed there are major differences in acceptable interpersonal behavior in different parts of the country. I've been shocked at the way people talk to each other in NYC, for example. In the South, for one man to yell at and insult another he does not know is extremely risky and it is quite likely to provoke a violent response or at least a threat of one. There are cultural reasons for this that go back centuries.

I'm assuming this stunt was done in Miami. If he had talked shit like this in redneck areas near me, I guarantee even the skinniest redneck would have popped this guy in the jaw.

Paradoxically, due in part to these cultural rules, redneck areas have relatively low violent crime rates, in the same way that almost every rural house has guns in it but gun crime is pretty rare.

[Walderschmidt]

(01-31-2013 03:01 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 01:42 PM)soup Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 01:29 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  

I think it's because white guys are a lot less confrontational with each other, so when they actually do get confronted they don't know how to act, so they escalate pretty quick.

That one at the end there looked like he was going to get his ass handed to him, though.

The first one was lame as hell, I think the guy was quoting a movie when he was trying to intimidate Vitaly.

To be honest, I think if someone walked up to me and asked if I even lifted, then made fun of me, I'd probably get violent if he looked smaller.

Ha, why? This doesn't resonate with me at all.

I've noticed there are major differences in acceptable interpersonal behavior in different parts of the country. I've been shocked at the way people talk to each other in NYC, for example. In the South, for one man to yell at and insult another he does not know is extremely risky and it is quite likely to provoke a violent response or at least a threat of one. There are cultural reasons for this that go back centuries.

I'm assuming this stunt was done in Miami. If he had talked shit like this in redneck areas near me, I guarantee even the skinniest redneck would have popped this guy in the jaw.

Paradoxically, due in part to these cultural rules, redneck areas have relatively low violent crime rates, in the same way that almost every rural house has guns in it but gun crime is pretty rare.

It sounds like people know better where they stand in areas where you don't fuck around.

If something's going down, you assume it's not fucking and around and put a stop to it. I imagine criminals know this and would be worried about a whole populace acting in a police function. That is to say, if there was a crime happenening, I imagine there would be more bystanders watching by in Miami than in a red neck area in the South.

Wald

[scorpion]

I think the different responses between the white and black guys is mostly due to cultural factors. Trash talk and verbal back and forth is much more prevalent in black culture, so it's not as big a deal to them. They're used to it and don't feel threatened. But in white culture, guys aren't used to hearing that kind of trash talk all the time, especially from a random guy. If white guys are talking shit to each other, it's almost always with guys they've known for awhile and are comfortable with. So for a random dude to come right at them with insults is very unusual and threatening.

I'm not sure how I would have reacted in that situation. I'd probably be more confused than anything else, and would have just walked away wondering why this weird guy was saying things that clearly weren't true. I have a pretty good troll detector at this point, so I don't think I would have taken him too seriously.

[Hannibal]

I'm in the midwest right now and there's a lot of cornfed rednecks that you really wouldn't want to piss off. One of the campus rent-a-cops was patrolling on a friday night around the upperclassmen dorms and he got knocked out in a single hit. The campus police are much more polite because of this.

[Giovonny]

Its funny to see the different levels of sense of humor and tension that people walk around with. Some people are wound very tight, others are more relaxed. You never really know who you are talking to. Looks can be deceiving. He did this in a safe place, suburban/college environment.

There are some places where he would not have been able to get away with this. He choose a good location.

The black guys kept their sense of humor better then the white guys because he had a slightly more joking tone when he talked to them. And, he smiled more when talking to the black guys. They took it more as a joke or just as some weirdo high on drugs. He was more confrontational with the whites. It was a small nuance but I noticed it. His voice, facial language and eye ball intensity was more serious and less-friendly when talking to the white guys. No smirk at all. The whites guys were more serious because his tone was more serious.


Cool stuff. I want to start confronting fattie chicks the same way!

[Teedub]

IMAGINE if fatties (female ones) were confronted in the same way. Imagine Vitaly doing something similar to some of the 'females' from the Fattitude Dr.Phil show?! Amazingness would ensue.

[Samseau]

I love trolling like this. I would have trolled him right back.

"Do you even lift?"

(First I would look at him confused, because I wouldn't be sure what the hell he was talking about. Then he'd repeat himself

"Do you even lift bro?"

"I can only life your mom's ass. So yes actually, I can lift quite a lot."

"Your arms are really skinny."

"And your mom's ass is really fat! Yet these skinny arms push it like an Olympian."


Etc. etc. Fight absurd with absurd, always works.

Fact is, the only reason this prank worked was because he targeted huge muscle freaks, whose ego's were already bound to their looks.

[Giovonny]

(01-31-2013 04:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Fight absurd with absurd, always works.

Yes, why use logic against absurdity?

Arguing with a fool makes you an idiot.

[Roosh]

Yes I'd like him to go up to fat girls and hit them with "You so fat" jokes. That would please me.

[Samseau]

(01-31-2013 04:34 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Yes I'd like him to go up to fat girls and hit them with "You so fat" jokes. That would please me.

Even better: Go up to super hot girls and ask,

"Do you even diet?"

"I can see a bit of muffin top."

[sucio44]

(01-31-2013 04:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Its funny to see the different levels of sense of humor and tension that people walk around with. Some people are wound very tight, others are more relaxed. You never really know who you are talking to. Looks can be deceiving. He did this in a safe place, suburban/college environment.

There are some places where he would not have been able to get away with this. He choose a good location.

The black guys kept their sense of humor better then the white guys because he had a slightly more joking tone when he talked to them. And, he smiled more when talking to the black guys. They took it more as a joke or just as some weirdo high on drugs. He was more confrontational with the whites. It was a small nuance but I noticed it. His voice, facial language and eye ball intensity was more serious and less-friendly when talking to the white guys. No smirk at all. The whites guys were more serious because his tone was more serious.


Cool stuff. I want to start confronting fattie chicks the same way!

NOT

[Screwston]

Lol at this turning into a race thread.

[Roosh]

(01-31-2013 04:44 PM)houston Wrote:  

Lol at this turning into a race thread.

Eliminating race talk on RVF is like trying to eliminate jealousy.

I do notice less intensity though. We ban much less for race trolling the past 3 months.

[dk902]

I must admit I do quite enjoy a good:

'Only white guys / tall guys / black guys kill it in / do looks matter' thread.

[sucio44]

(01-31-2013 04:44 PM)houston Wrote:  

Lol at this turning into a race thread.

My bad--I think I may have started it. No more "race" crap from me.

[painter]

Do you even diet? that would be hilarious! There would definitely be screaming, shrieking, scratching, slapping and fighting. White knights would jump right in too, "Did you call her fat, bro?"

Dude might get himself killed doing that!

[Teedub]

The best way to eliminate race-trolling is to just ban new members who immediately create a race thread. Apart from that, it is just discussion.

[lush1]

(01-31-2013 03:01 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 01:42 PM)soup Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 01:29 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  

I think it's because white guys are a lot less confrontational with each other, so when they actually do get confronted they don't know how to act, so they escalate pretty quick.

That one at the end there looked like he was going to get his ass handed to him, though.

The first one was lame as hell, I think the guy was quoting a movie when he was trying to intimidate Vitaly.

To be honest, I think if someone walked up to me and asked if I even lifted, then made fun of me, I'd probably get violent if he looked smaller.

Ha, why? This doesn't resonate with me at all.

I've noticed there are major differences in acceptable interpersonal behavior in different parts of the country. I've been shocked at the way people talk to each other in NYC, for example. In the South, for one man to yell at and insult another he does not know is extremely risky and it is quite likely to provoke a violent response or at least a threat of one. There are cultural reasons for this that go back centuries.

I'm assuming this stunt was done in Miami. If he had talked shit like this in redneck areas near me, I guarantee even the skinniest redneck would have popped this guy in the jaw.

Paradoxically, due in part to these cultural rules, redneck areas have relatively low violent crime rates, in the same way that almost every rural house has guns in it but gun crime is pretty rare.

An observation that I've found as a Brit visiting America is that Brits are generally less confrontational but when there is an altercation it tends to escalate suddenly into violence from nothing. In the US I've found that there is a lot more escalation before a fight occurs: verbals, gesticulating, chest thumping etc. I even heard a term for it 'punked' which is where someone makes the other bloke back down from such a confrontation..we don't really have an equivalent verb.

I think in the UK there is less of a bravado culture so when a man challenges another it, gets in their face etc people just don't know how to handle it.