[Andy_B]

Women hate white knights and 'nice guys' more than pretty much any other type of guy.

They justifiably see their behavior as pathetic and cowardly, and they never fuck the them.

These white knight types you see on reddit and news comment sections everywhere... Can they really remain blind to how maladapted their own psychology is forever?

It seems like at some point these guys have got to notice, "gee I'm really not getting anything out of this white knighting behavior, maybe I should try actually saying something unpopular just once in my life."

And yet they seemingly never do... White knights have been with us forever.

[tenderman100]

Well, what happens is that some DO get bangs -- infrequently -- and so they then convince themselves that white knighting works. It's a kind of self-imposed operant conditioning.

A rational approach would be to experiment with game, and THEN compare the difference. A true hypothesis test. But since they don't believe the hypothesis, few will do it.

[Matt3B]

As long as Hollywood is shitting out movies with guys going to extreme lengths to capture a girl that has chicks going "aww I wish I had a guy do that for me", then no. They'll be here for good.

[Pappy]

The pua community doesn't understand white knights. Chateau and his followers only focus on one aspect of evo. psych : sexual selection. Although it's the most important force in evolution, it's not the only one.

White knights are followers. They seek social recognition. At a dinner table at work, white knights will win instant approbation and accolades by catering to the PC thinking. The same goes for any other PC thinking, about races or any sensitives subjects.

[Andy_B]

(01-25-2013 12:30 PM)Pappy Wrote:  

The pua community doesn't understand white knights. Chateau and his followers only focus on one aspect of evo. psych : sexual selection. Although it's the most important force in evolution, it's not the only one.

White knights are followers. They seek social recognition. At a dinner table at work, white knights will win instant approbation and accolades by catering to the PC thinking. The same goes for any other PC thinking, about races or any sensitives subjects.

Yeah, this is true. They aren't ALL after sex, though the more you combine white knight politics with other nice guy behaviors, the more likely it becomes.

[Matt3B]

(01-25-2013 12:32 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:30 PM)Pappy Wrote:  

The pua community doesn't understand white knights. Chateau and his followers only focus on one aspect of evo. psych : sexual selection. Although it's the most important force in evolution, it's not the only one.

White knights are followers. They seek social recognition. At a dinner table at work, white knights will win instant approbation and accolades by catering to the PC thinking. The same goes for any other PC thinking, about races or any sensitives subjects.

Yeah, this is true. They aren't ALL after sex, though the more you combine white knight politics with other nice guy behaviors, the more likely it becomes.

That's the essence of betas and white knights really, being nice. They want to avoid conflict so will stray away from their personal thoughts at times to cater to the people around them so as not to create arguments or strife. The most obvious with girls is giving them free reign to do what they want and not wanting to argue with them and convincing them not to do something that will hurt them/cause them to get involved with conflict - "but he treats you like shit" etc.

Not a dying breed.

[tenderman100]

(01-25-2013 12:30 PM)Pappy Wrote:  

The pua community doesn't understand white knights. Chateau and his followers only focus on one aspect of evo. psych : sexual selection. Although it's the most important force in evolution, it's not the only one.

White knights are followers. They seek social recognition. At a dinner table at work, white knights will win instant approbation and accolades by catering to the PC thinking. The same goes for any other PC thinking, about races or any sensitives subjects.

Of course, when you are doing game, you may need cater to PC thinking too. One of the married babes I am banging is a died-in-the-wool liberal feminist. My frame with her is -- "you deserve to have this fantastic sex...woman, let's hear you roar."

But, me? Ride up in a horse wearing shining armor? Or even suggesting that?

Not gonna happen.

Meanwhile, the major assumptive flaw white knights have is that BEING nice and BEING PC is in itself a sufficient condition for a girl to fall for you. It's important to be polite and gentlemanly -- within limits -- but it is also important to convey dominance, power, and certain degree of ass-holery (again, within limits).

This complex constellation of attributes is very hard for a white knight to get his arms around. He assumes "all nice and PC, all the time" SHOULD get him pussy. It may from time to time (though certainly not GREAT pussy), but long run, it won't work as well as game.

[JohnKreese]

(01-25-2013 12:25 PM)MattC Wrote:  

As long as Hollywood is shitting out movies with guys going to extreme lengths to capture a girl that has chicks going "aww I wish I had a guy do that for me", then no. They'll be here for good.

The fallacy, though, is that these guys think that they are just like the guys in the movies when they look more like this:


Than this:


Not to mention generally lacking any other cool or interesting set of characteristics, while employing extremely passive-aggressive game that the guys in the movie don't need to use.

In other words, they suck

[Days of Broken Arrows]

My frame with her is -- "you deserve to have this fantastic sex...woman, let's hear you roar."

Brilliant! I've sometimes used the following line: "Women's sexuality was always repressed, so it's no wonder you don't feel you're allowed to (fill in the blank)."

Hehehe.

(01-25-2013 12:55 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:30 PM)Pappy Wrote:  

The pua community doesn't understand white knights. Chateau and his followers only focus on one aspect of evo. psych : sexual selection. Although it's the most important force in evolution, it's not the only one.

White knights are followers. They seek social recognition. At a dinner table at work, white knights will win instant approbation and accolades by catering to the PC thinking. The same goes for any other PC thinking, about races or any sensitives subjects.

Of course, when you are doing game, you may need cater to PC thinking too. One of the married babes I am banging is a died-in-the-wool liberal feminist. My frame with her is -- "you deserve to have this fantastic sex...woman, let's hear you roar."

But, me? Ride up in a horse wearing shining armor? Or even suggesting that?

Not gonna happen.

Meanwhile, the major assumptive flaw white knights have is that BEING nice and BEING PC is in itself a sufficient condition for a girl to fall for you. It's important to be polite and gentlemanly -- within limits -- but it is also important to convey dominance, power, and certain degree of ass-holery (again, within limits).

This complex constellation of attributes is very hard for a white knight to get his arms around. He assumes "all nice and PC, all the time" SHOULD get him pussy. It may from time to time (though certainly not GREAT pussy), but long run, it won't work as well as game.

[Only One Man]

Honestly, in a way I'm glad there are so many of these guys who don't have a clue. If 80% of guys were like Roosh V forum members, instead of the 10% or so, it would be a lot harder to get pussy. It's kind of like the question "Would you rather make $500,000 a year when everyone else makes $400,000 or make $60,000 a year when everyone else makes $10,000?"

That's why I stopped giving a shit about politics. Instead of wasting my time worrying about things that I can't and will never be able to change, I focus on enjoying my life and helping the people that I care about. I could give a fuck about trying to change the minds of strangers, unless I'm at a bar or something talking to some guy.

The way I see it, unless it's a guy you care about, let the chumps be chumps. It just leaves more quality puss for the rest of us.

[Only One Man]

Also, thanks to guys like Roosh and others who put this information out there, any guy who wants to improve himself has plenty of resources to do so. If someone is wondering why his white-knighting isn't getting him laid and why girls tell him about their problems with guys who "treat women like shit" and then continue banging these guys, they can jump online and find answers.

There are plenty of guys who were raised to treat all girls like princesses and then when it doesn't work they seek answers. Many of these guys, after finding the answers, realize they had been lied to their whole lives, change their mindset and behavior, and then become successful with girls. I would bet a lot of money that's the majority of guys in this forum.

Any guy who seeks these answers, finds this forum/website and others like it, spends time reading lots of the information, and then decides it's bullshit and misogynistic is a lost cause and deserves to be a sexless feminist lapdog.

[RichieP]

IMO they don't really want to.

People who want to figure it out, find their way to the resources + knowledge from people who've gone before and done that.

Some do get to an "enough is enough" point of course, which is cool.

[Blaster]

(01-25-2013 12:30 PM)Pappy Wrote:  

The pua community doesn't understand white knights. Chateau and his followers only focus on one aspect of evo. psych : sexual selection. Although it's the most important force in evolution, it's not the only one.

Also, in many cases, they do not understand themselves or their own values; or else they deny them. This is why you so often get hostile flailing and defensive reactions instead of spirited arguments. Instead of confessing their inner beta and the benefits of living that way are worth the sexual sacrifice, they pretend they made no sacrifice and it wasn't something they ever wanted to begin with. Either they deny that there is even such a thing as beta or alpha or they stigmatize alpha.

[Saladin]

I think guys these days are becoming far less tolerant of female misbehavior.

Last night some chick was trying to cut line for coat check and the dude behind me blocks her and says "I don't care if you're a girl, you're not fucking cutting line".

Tonight was guy was dealing with some line-cutting chick at coat check and he said "I've never hit a girl but".... and then his female friend is like "You don't need to, I'll punch her for you". Nothing happened but it was interesting to see.

I see more of these incidents in night life, or even with bouncers, where they don't put up with girls bullshit and the bouncers will kick them out or physically push them away if they are acting up and threaten to call the cops. Its like more guys are starting to think more in more red pill terms.