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$200K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?
#76

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (01-19-2011 09:23 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Boston,

"I wonder how many American students are walking away from their educational debt just like those who walk away from houses?"

I think its tons. Hell, if I was $200k in debt, you can guarantee I would be ghost, never to return.

"Yes, well, he also has to live with the gnawing truth that he screwed the system"

Ha. What is it with kids these days? When I was coming up, the whole purpose was to get over on the system.

We need an update from the original poster. I guess he skipped town?

G - Interesting insights. I mean I have some long discussions on whether the doc was doing the right thing. The cost of education, how debt equals slavery etc.

Btw, the gnawing truth of screwing the system was a direct quote from the guy himself. I do think that he levered every card in his deck to break out of the debt cycle. While his classmates are beginning to pay their loans payments, he is stacking $$s waiting for a clean credit report.
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#77

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (01-19-2011 09:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You can work the system without becoming a fugitive.

http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebApp/s...BRPlan.jsp

That only applies for Federal Loans. Most students with such a high loan amount also have private loans with very different repayment rules.

Also, you can't exactly be called a fugitive if you leave the country - not paying off your debt is not a criminal matter in the eyes of the law. Morally you can make that argument.
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#78

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

I don't know why the original poster is sweating the $200K+ student debt.

The most they can ever do is wage garnishment if you don't pay the debt, and wage garnishment caps at around 10 or 15% of income (i can't remember which) for student loans.

Granted, they can garnish your wages for a long ass time, but that is not the end of the world.

I agree with the others on here that the OP should do the following:

(1) Work at any job. Hell, try bartending, waiter, dishwasher, etc.

(2) Save up money for a couple years.

(3) If after that time you are sick of wage garnishment and/or living in the USA, bail with a large sum of money and try to get a work visa elsewhere.
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#79

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (01-19-2011 11:37 PM)BostonBMW Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2011 09:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You can work the system without becoming a fugitive.

http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebApp/s...BRPlan.jsp

That only applies for Federal Loans. Most students with such a high loan amount also have private loans with very different repayment rules.

Also, you can't exactly be called a fugitive if you leave the country - not paying off your debt is not a criminal matter in the eyes of the law. Morally you can make that argument.

True about it being only for Federal Loans. If you are stuck with a lender like Fannie Mae, I would jump ship asap.


btw: Not paying off your debts is theft from the debtor. Stealing is against the law.

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#80

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (01-21-2011 01:49 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2011 11:37 PM)BostonBMW Wrote:  

Quote: (01-19-2011 09:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You can work the system without becoming a fugitive.

http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebApp/s...BRPlan.jsp

That only applies for Federal Loans. Most students with such a high loan amount also have private loans with very different repayment rules.

Also, you can't exactly be called a fugitive if you leave the country - not paying off your debt is not a criminal matter in the eyes of the law. Morally you can make that argument.

True about it being only for Federal Loans. If you are stuck with a lender like Fannie Mae, I would jump ship asap.


btw: Not paying off your debts is theft from the debtor. Stealing is against the law.

Bro, legally speaking, not paying your debts is not a crime - meaning that they can't jail you for it or prosecute you in a criminal case. The worst you can face is the garnishments, taxes withheld, harrassing phone calls/letters. Honesty all of these scenarios are horrible, but not the end for most people.
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#81

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

What I would do in your case is: work a year or 2 to save as much cash as possible while working on building an online biz that would generate at least 1-2k/month after a year. Then, go abroad, live it up and pursue other opportunities there. Along the way, I'd try to get a 2nd citizenship either in Europe (see if you have any European ancestry in your family and see how you can obtain a citizenship from there) or in Asia (Singapore, Hong Kong), forfeit my US citizenship and voila problem solved or rather, erased. [Image: smile.gif]
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#82

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (05-25-2010 12:38 AM)Jim Kirk Wrote:  

Few notes - you hit a lot of stuff in your post. Some considering law school might get a few gems from this - I am going to ramble - but hear me out -

I just passed my 10 year mark as a practicing lawyer in New York City. I have admission to 5 federal districts, as well as NY State, Connecticut and the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals - I went to a good Law School - (not top tier) in New York City. I graduated with a b- average but my LSAT score was high enough I got a good scholarship. I graduated through to passing the bar and paying the application fees with debt of about $95,000, I promptly married a girl from a wealthy family and went to work for a small but pretty active firm in New York City. Pay was abysmal - I worked there five years and moved to a very active mid-size firm and took a huge step up in pay and benefits although still not great by what the media tells people lawyers make - I am now going to move on again - probably to something completely different and not law related. My wife and I may open some type of 'green' business but who knows.

A word on the legal job market - for new hires and for BigLaw - it is the worst its ever been and New York City has the largest legal community in the country. The top three graduates (class rank 1, 2 and 3) this June of a mid-level Law School in NYC do not have jobs lined up after they take the bar. The BigLaw firms have not been hiring in general 'across the board' and just about any mid-level firm has laid 15% of its staff off in the past year. I was in Boston on a mediation last Fall and there its 10 times worse as from right from the mouth of retired MA State Judge who was on the bench for 30 years. Old backup plans like going to work for the New York City Law Department or the District Attorneys office do not work anymore because they are getting thousands of applicants and there is a general hiring freeze in all City agencies. An employment ad in the New York Law Journal will get 500 resumes. There are more reasons for this than the economy - the Courts in NY are throwing out a lot more cases - and automobile litigation is way off due to a Court of Appeals, but the mills keep churning out lawyers.

To the Original Poster - you will be lucky to have any decent job when you get out - no matter where you work -

If salary was not a consideration - the job you should go for would be something along these principles -

Andrew Carnegie had remarked something to the effect that you should throw yourself into you job without regard to pay (at first) because you need to learn the job from the trenches - so to speak. My first job had me in Court 3 to 4 times a week when I had no idea what I was doing. 3 years of law school teaches you NOTHING about lawyering. The skills you learn lawyering - dealing with clients from all parts of society from drug dealers to millionaire real estate developers - learning succint arguments and argumentative writing - trench style - is a valuable skill which does translate to other jobs and makes you a good lawyer and employee in any capacity. You learned none of that in law school. A Federal Judge once snickered at a greenhorn Biglaw guy for prefacing his argument with "May it Please the Court" - I made a motion in Fed Ct to dismiss a case once and the District Judge on the record told me 'he would look at my bullshit later' The formal memos and arguments you do in moot court are not used at all - they want plain speaking.

Anyway - BigLaw will not let you do any real lawyering for a very long time. They may let you field a call or write some material now and again - but they generally will not let you appear for something as mundane as a preliminary discovery conference for 7 to 10 years. Put another way - no student who went to work for BigLaw knows much about lawyering and they are not learning when they are young during their first 7 years which is the only time you can really learn something new and the most important time for a lawyer - once you get up about 34 or 35 years in age - you don't want to learn anymore - you are busy with wife and kids, etc. It gets MUCH harder to learn in this field after 35. (I am 36).

Therefore, take any job that throws you in the mix on many many different subject areas. The District attorneys office is great for this but its hampered by virtue of the fact that its all criminal law - you want to do everything - take a job that puts you in Court - after 6 months sponsors you for admission to federal court - after 9 months lets you take depsitions - after 2 years lets you take depositions on heavy cases - after 4 years lets you mediate and arbitrate cases - etc. Just keep growing your skills for those 7 to 10 years without regard to pay . . .

Now to the topic of your leaving the country to flee your debt -

Depending on the State for which you sit for a Bar - your name, social security number and entire academic and work history back before High School becomes a pseudo-public record. All your residences, names, place of Birth, etc. go into a file forever. New Jersey for instance requires you submit fingerprint cards which they may, or may not, keep. They will find you.

Depending on how agressive the note holder is on your loans - you will eliminate your ability to ever take out a loan, get a gov't job, work in law enforcement (you will be considered a security risk), pass background checks, ever. It will always be there in your file. Risking the foregoing in the first 7 to 10 years of your professional life, i.e. your first 'job', is very foolish. Consolidate your loans, ask for forbearence, try public interest employmet debt foregiveness - live at home for a few years - at least get the skills and experience you can from those early years. You are too young along to throw 3 (really 4) years of work away. Do lawyerly things - dont work as a congressional paige, BS like that - get that in. Even if you only do 3 years - that is a lot better than 0.

International lawyering - again law schools talk up a good game but it is very difficult to get licensed in any other country - Japan (I know one white guy that did it - but he had a Japanese wife) requires a certain amount of law school (one year I think) and an attorney sponsor. He was fluent in Japanese but never got more than a part-time job after admission - Japanese lawyers (their numbers are strictly controlled) do not hire Westerners. I know another guy that got licensed in France but he spoke better French than English - he passed the French equivalent of the bar exam which was given over 3 days entirely in French - (There are licensing exceptions for lawyers in the employ of foreign corporations - this might give you a limited exemption from these requirements i.e. work for Dow Chemical in Japan - but these jobs are very very difficult to find and usually offered to people with some real connection to the country)


If you are lucky (or unlucky) enough to snag a BigLaw job - if you want any type of lifestyle for the remainder of your life (and I mean this) take the job for the SOLE REASON that you will use it to pay off your debt and you will leave when that is accomplished. You want to hang with beta herbs, omega perverts, 4 foot 8 JAP's, for the rest of your life - join NYC BIgLaw . The older female partners are either 500 pounds weight and as mean - the younger ones are all dykes which only promote dykes. Most peopke in BigLaw for 10+ years in New York City HAVE SERIOUS MENTAL AND PHYSICAL PROBLEMS which they unleash on the world. AND I MEAN SERIOUS! The lawyer who likes to be put in diapers and spanked is the normal one in the bunch). Here is a sobering thought for you - check around the blogs and figure out where the associates from Skadden et. al. or Sullivan et. al. drink on Thursday evenings - 3 or 4 hours of you seeing that and its all the proof of what I just said you will ever need.

At any club in Manhattan, or high-end cocktail lounge, or rooftop bar, etc. with a nice scene - I have never met another lawyer (unless they all lied). I have always been the only one - and I got news for you - being a lawyer confers ABSOLUTELY NO STATUS. Your parents will be proud of you and it is an accomplishment but (to borrow the G's terminology) Nightlife Princess is going to bat an eyelash when you tell her your a lawyer. You would get more play if you told her you wrote a book on serial homocide.

If you had to incur 200k to get a law degree - you should not have gone to law school. I got my job when the market was not that bad - but since 2006 its been a bloodletting -

To some of the others considering law school -
Your Juris Doctor degree without 5 years work experience is pretty much worthless. All the college and law school salesman pushing law school by saying things akin to 'you can do anything with a law degree - you can work anywhere across all types of industries' is 96% bullshit. It will give you certain graduate credits towards a higher salary in a gov. job - or in law enforecement - but do not think Dell, or Hewlett Packard, or Dow Chemical are going to hire you in a non-lawyer capacity because you put 'JD' on your resume. I know people who have tried this route and more ofter you will have to explain away your law degree as people will view you with suspicion for not working as a lawyer. People still think o the 'LA Law' picture and think you are living the life of a G being a litigator.

With respect to foreign passports - if you are of European extraction and not to long in this country generation wise - Ireland, Germany and Italy have passport programs for persons who can claim 'citizenship by descent' - It took awhile but I got my Euro passports - which I then got for my wife and are not getting for the kids. These programs are not well organized or publicized - Ireland's program is the best and can be done without visiting the country - Italy is the worst as their beurocratic mess makes you go to offices in Italy 2 times at least and takes 2 years.

Just an FYI - the best thing about a Euro Union passport is that it entitles you to work anywhere in the European Union. For instance, you could as of last year - land in France and file 2 forms with the gov't and goto work. After 6 months you can go on their health care systems, etc. A Euro passport is worth its weight in gold for these reasons alone. I had read on expatica.com that the street value of an Irish passport was one million Euro - it does not surprise me.

If I had it to do all over again - I WOULD NOT have gone to Law School although I do appreciate the mental discipline it instilled and the level of organization and critical reading ability it gave me - but it was not worth 95k. I would probably have gone into anything dealing in cash in a field catering to yuppies/immigrants. Import of wood from Africa - childrens clothes from France or Spain, etc.

Wealth comes from profit and capital gains - not from salaries. Ask me how I know.


Holy Crap! Good thing I didn't go to law school.

My boss made me interview a lawyer chick today just for kicks. She was a young 20's, fresh from law school, pretty face 9 out of 10. I really felt sorry for her imagining her there with a 100k+ student loan from a non-top tier school. She has a law degree for heaven's sake applying to be a clerk! lol. I even felt more pity imagining that lots of guys would probably find her undatable bc.. well.. she's a lawyer. And who wants a lawyer gf/wife? Anyways, this chick was over qualified. The fucked thing was, if she didn't bring up her law degree and if she said she only had a BS, I would have tossed her resume to the round 2 bin on account of her pretty face.
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#83

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (02-03-2011 10:36 PM)manilaguy Wrote:  

My boss made me interview a lawyer chick today just for kicks. She was a young 20's, fresh from law school, pretty face 9 out of 10. I really felt sorry for her imagining her there with a 100k+ student loan from a non-top tier school. She has a law degree for heaven's sake applying to be a clerk! lol. I even felt more pity imagining that lots of guys would probably find her undatable bc.. well.. she's a lawyer. And who wants a lawyer gf/wife? Anyways, this chick was over qualified. The fucked thing was, if she didn't bring up her law degree and if she said she only had a BS, I would have tossed her resume to the round 2 bin on account of her pretty face.

I think that's an extremely common dilemma for new JD graduates. No real experience, but looked upon as overqualified by everyone but the legal profession.
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#84

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (02-03-2011 11:05 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote: (02-03-2011 10:36 PM)manilaguy Wrote:  

My boss made me interview a lawyer chick today just for kicks. She was a young 20's, fresh from law school, pretty face 9 out of 10. I really felt sorry for her imagining her there with a 100k+ student loan from a non-top tier school. She has a law degree for heaven's sake applying to be a clerk! lol. I even felt more pity imagining that lots of guys would probably find her undatable bc.. well.. she's a lawyer. And who wants a lawyer gf/wife? Anyways, this chick was over qualified. The fucked thing was, if she didn't bring up her law degree and if she said she only had a BS, I would have tossed her resume to the round 2 bin on account of her pretty face.

I think that's an extremely common dilemma for new JD graduates. No real experience, but looked upon as overqualified by everyone but the legal profession.

Hire her, fuck her, then fire her. You haven't lived life until you've stirred up a discrimination/sexual "herassment" lawsuit from a female lawyer! WOO-HOO!
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#85

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (02-03-2011 11:18 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Quote: (02-03-2011 11:05 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote: (02-03-2011 10:36 PM)manilaguy Wrote:  

My boss made me interview a lawyer chick today just for kicks. She was a young 20's, fresh from law school, pretty face 9 out of 10. I really felt sorry for her imagining her there with a 100k+ student loan from a non-top tier school. She has a law degree for heaven's sake applying to be a clerk! lol. I even felt more pity imagining that lots of guys would probably find her undatable bc.. well.. she's a lawyer. And who wants a lawyer gf/wife? Anyways, this chick was over qualified. The fucked thing was, if she didn't bring up her law degree and if she said she only had a BS, I would have tossed her resume to the round 2 bin on account of her pretty face.

I think that's an extremely common dilemma for new JD graduates. No real experience, but looked upon as overqualified by everyone but the legal profession.

Hire her, fuck her, then fire her. You haven't lived life until you've stirred up a discrimination/sexual "herassment" lawsuit from a female lawyer! WOO-HOO!


^^ This.
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#86

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

$200K student debt... Now that's funny! In my country people under the age of 24 can study for free
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#87

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Ironically, under Bush II th IBR ( Income Based Repayment ) plan was started. You can totally fly under the radar legally if you understand it.

1) You now can't have 15% of your salary garnished unless you fail to apply for IBR. THEY WON'T TELL YOU ABOUT IT-- YOU HAVE TO ASK.

2) The payments are 15% of your AGI income ABOVE THE POVERTY LINE. ABout 18K I think.So if you make 40K, put some into a 401k plan so your make 25k you hardly pay anything.

3) If you just make the payments described above, including paying nohing if you are below the poverty line, after 25 years they forgive the loan. Only problems are: (1) They ditch the program and your debt has grown huge due to not paying the interest. (2) The IRS judges the loan forgiveness to be income.

Live now. Let them fuck you up the ass when you're old and everything hurts anyway.
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#88

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

I know a guy in the same exact position - his solution - going to Iraq to work as a private contractor. Getting shelled and risking his life for a few years to pay off a student debt.

Guys - think twice before going to law school on borrowed money.

As far as the morality of not paying debts back - morality is out the window when you're dealing with financial institutions. How moral were they when they took taxpayer bailouts only to have record bonuses a year later?
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#89

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Here is a guy who never intended to pay back the money:

Is Law School a Losing Game?

Michael Wallerstein knew little about the Thomas Jefferson School of Law, other than that it was in San Diego ... he says, ''but I thought, why not go somewhere I'll enjoy?'' ... in the fourth and bottom tier of U.S. News's rankings.

WHEN Mr. Wallerstein started at Thomas Jefferson, he was in no mood for austerity. He borrowed so much that before the start of his first semester he nearly put a down payment on a $350,000 two-bedroom, two-bath condo, figuring that the investment would earn a profit by the time he graduated.

Instead, Mr. Wallerstein rented a spacious apartment. He also spent a month studying in the South of France and a month in Prague -- all on borrowed money. There were cost-of-living loans, and tuition of about $33,000 a year. Later came a $15,000 loan to cover months of studying for the bar.

Today, his best guess is that he should be sending $2,000 to $3,000 a month in total, to lenders that include Wells Fargo, Citibank and Sallie Mae.

''There are a bunch of others,'' he says. ''I'm not really good at keeping records.''

Mr. Wallerstein and his fiancée moved back East after graduation, and he landed a job at a small firm in Queens. He says he was paid $10 an hour.

MR. WALLERSTEIN, for his part, is not complaining. Once you throw in the intangibles of having a J.D., he says, he is one of law schools' satisfied customers.

''It's a prestige thing,'' he says. ''I'm an attorney. All of my friends see me as a person they look up to. They understand I'm in a lot of debt, but I've done something they feel they could never do and the respect and admiration is important.''

Compared with the life he left four years ago, he has lost ground. That research position in Newark, he figures, would pay him $60,000 a year now, with benefits. Instead, he's vying with a crowd for jobs that pay at rates just a little higher, but that last only a few weeks at a time, with no benefits. And he's a quarter-million dollars in the hole.

Unless, somehow, the debt just goes away. Another of Mr. Wallerstein's techniques for remaining cool in a serious financial pickle: believe that the pickle might somehow disappear.

''Bank bailouts, company bailouts -- I don't know, we're the generation of bailouts,'' he says in a hallway during a break from his Peak Discovery job. ''And like, this debt of mine is just sort of, it's a little illusory. I feel like at some point, I'll negotiate it away, or they won't collect it.''

He gives a slight shrug and a smile as he heads back to work. ''It could be worse,'' he says. ''It's not like they can put me jail.''
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#90

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (03-23-2011 08:00 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  

He gives a slight shrug and a smile as he heads back to work. ''It could be worse,'' he says. ''It's not like they can put me jail.'' [/i]

That moron, with zero judgment or financial sense, should at least keep his mouth shut with comments like that.

That's the exact type of public record comment, held up as an example of the public's psychology, that lawmakers use to introduce legislation so that they CAN start putting people in jail. Or at least legislation that makes more unfavorable default terms.
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#91

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (03-24-2011 02:13 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

That moron ... lawmakers use to ... [legislate] ... unfavorable default terms.

It would be great if legislation could stop such abuse and waste.

That moron deserves debtors prison. He chose a fourth tier law school for the weather, he got a spacious apartment, and vacations in the South of France and Prague. Now he claims friends' respect and admiration because they could never complete a mediocre law school.
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#92

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (03-24-2011 02:13 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote: (03-23-2011 08:00 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  

He gives a slight shrug and a smile as he heads back to work. ''It could be worse,'' he says. ''It's not like they can put me jail.'' [/i]

That moron, with zero judgment or financial sense, should at least keep his mouth shut with comments like that.

That's the exact type of public record comment, held up as an example of the public's psychology, that lawmakers use to introduce legislation so that they CAN start putting people in jail. Or at least legislation that makes more unfavorable default terms.

Quote: (03-27-2011 11:37 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  

Quote: (03-24-2011 02:13 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

That moron ... lawmakers use to ... [legislate] ... unfavorable default terms.

It would be great if legislation could stop such abuse and waste.

That moron deserves debtors prison. He chose a fourth tier law school for the weather, he got a spacious apartment, and vacations in the South of France and Prague. Now he claims friends' respect and admiration because they could never complete a mediocre law school.


are you guys serious...? sure, let's not blame the law schools for being insanely overpriced or anything, or try not to put yourself in the shoes of a young guy today (you'd be fucked too)

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#93

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Quote: (03-27-2011 04:31 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

blame the law schools for being insanely overpriced

The problem is Sallie Mae and other lenders hired lobbyists. Now those banks make loans at 8% and the government guarantees them. Since Treasury yields are only 3%, the lenders are really happy to see the balances explode at 8% and keep the extra 5% free money. Their stocks have soared and their CEO's get million in bonuses.

Law schools and for-profit online schools are the worst offenders. They give 20% scholarships and get 80% student loans. This is profitable regardless of whether the alumni get jobs. The students are pawns in a scheme to extract money from the government.

But nobody forces you into law school. The original thread post exemplifies this attitude of entitlement. The poster can't get a $160K job, and simply doesn't want to pay back loans with an available $80-$100K job.
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#94

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Just read the entire thread and all I have to say is: thank God I am not from America.
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#95

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (03-27-2011 05:20 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

But nobody forces you into law school.

That's a good point. Too many people blame the government for their own bad decisions.
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#96

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Let me add a little bit to your sentence:
Thank God I am not from America nor do I live there.
The more I hear and read about life in the US and how bad things are there, the more I feel for you guys south of the border. Not that things are rosy and perfect in Canada, (far from it!) but it's certainly a lot better (read, things are a lot more human) than in the US.

Quote: (03-27-2011 06:22 PM)Badstuber Wrote:  

Just read the entire thread and all I have to say is: thank God I am not from America.
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#97

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (03-27-2011 05:20 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

Quote: (03-27-2011 04:31 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

blame the law schools for being insanely overpriced

But nobody forces you into law school. The original thread post exemplifies this attitude of entitlement. The poster can't get a $160K job, and simply doesn't want to pay back loans with an available $80-$100K job.


up until 2008 there were only murmurs of law school being a scam. if you asked your parents about law, they would say "great idea son!"

and if you looked up what lawyers make online, you'd see a median salary of 160K at the top 50 law schools in America.

and if you asked your high school guidance counselors, they'd say "lawyers have great lives!"

and if you asked your college career counselor, they'd say "law school is a terrific idea!"

and if you told anyone you wanted to become a lawyer, they would congratulate you on your decision and other guys your age would look up to you.


and if you ever talked to other lawyers, they'd all give you positive feedback about the profession. In the rare case that one said the truth about how the legal world sucked ass and was a scam,

all of your friends,
family,
councilors,
and even randoms on the internet would say,

"Don't listen to him. that guy is just a negative loser. there are always losers in everything you do, don't count on being like that bum."

like it was a chorus on repeat.



To any jerk who thinks the law students have any blame in this,what part of not wanted to get ass raped by debt is entitlement?

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#98

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Quote: (03-27-2011 11:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

what part of not wanted to get ass raped by debt is entitlement?

The part where you voluntarily take debt.

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up until 2008 there were only murmurs of law school being a scam.

Now this is interesting. For a long time, published M.B.A. salaries from top business schools exceeded J.D. salaries from top law schools. It seemed like a no-brainer to take the flexible two-year degree. Then a few years ago published law salaries grew. In retrospect this seems strange, because law has been declining. I suspect that some popular publication like Businessweek or USNews started using salary data as a ranking factor. Then schools started lying and inflating salaries to compete.
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#99

0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Found an interesting video on YT regarding college education.




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0K Student Debt. No job. Time to skip the country?

Quote: (03-28-2011 07:54 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  

Quote: (03-27-2011 11:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

what part of not wanted to get ass raped by debt is entitlement?

The part where you voluntarily take debt.

I guess you've never heard of a fraudulent contract.

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