[KorbenDallas]

Sometimes I'll drop a line in the conversation like, "Yea, she's nice, but Euro girls are soo much better." and the person I say it to doesn't understand. They might say, "America's got sexy women too." Well, I'm here to fill guys like G Manifesto and other American's who don't get our love for the Eastern ladies.

My background, increasingly foreign to Americans, is a stable two parent home with a father who works and a mom as a homemaker. In America, to get laid, you gotta go stone age. The success I've had with the ladies here in the states has not been because of my game knowledge I'm ashamed to admit, but mostly due to getting drunk enough to not give a shit about any consequences to get in the right state of my mind to hook up with the American wildebeast. And I'm not saying I haven't hooked up with good looking American's either. Their attractiveness is not what makes them wildebeasts. It's one thing really. Their lack of RECIPROCITY.

Reciprocity means responding to a positive action with another positive action. In America the system is broken. The duties of men have not gone away, but the duties of the women have been replaced with "if she wants to be a nice loving girlfriend/wife she can, but if she want's to stop at any time no one will shame her or judge her and the man will pay and be at fault because "he put his dick in there".

Basically American girls have no Girl Game. Yes, there is such a thing. The reason European girls appeal to me so much is because the things American's fantasize about they do as a matter of course. They simply assume the role of a traditional woman. If you provide masculine things like protection, pay for the meals, etc...she aims to please you by using her feminine qualities. Once your in a relationship they don't think or want to be the boss. It would be foreign to them much like how its foreign for American girls to be sweet. Gaming them is much less necessary. Once in a relationship instead of constantly gaming them doing things like taking her out to a nice dinner or getting her a gift card for some shoes pretty much makes them be MORE affectionate and passionate in the relationship. This is because what America mocks men for (actually making a living and respecting themselves) is exactly what makes men alpha in Eastern Europe. Compare that to the girls in the states with their constant phone checking, status judging bullshit.

It actually got me more points (I know life isn't about women's approval I just don't how else to say it) to reassure my girl I wouldn't leave her! You see it's natural for men to possess the dominant role in the relationship. That's what makes for a happy couple-a more powerful guy. That's why everyone is so unhappy in the states. Our society does everything it can to attack traditional relationships even though people in traditional relationships makes for the happiest people!

Although in America traditional masculinity and traditional femininity used to be the normal culture they are now displayed in pop culture, if at all, as behavior of a bygone era. Well, if that's the case, then America to me will simply be the memory of what once was and what no longer is.

And for those who claim "They are all gold diggers and scammers over there" that's simply not true. I had friends clean up with NO MONEY. Nada. Just went out and scored. Poor students. At the same time I don't see whats wrong with a guy spending 5-15% of his net-income on his woman if she treats him real nice. What the hell else am I going to spend my money on? There is only so much Maker's Mark I can drink and pot I can smoke! LOL The key is to know they are WOMEN. I might trust a girl after a year to have access to one of my bank accounts, but why would I even bother? Why not just NOT LET YOUR WOMAN HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR MONEY SO THERE IS NEVER AN ISSUE??? And if she asks for money then you know its not a good fit anyway. I really don't understand the attitude of "Well I heard they are gold diggers." Are you digging a whole in the backyard where they can find it? Are you that fucking stupid?

[bojangles]

It's not just america lad, Britain, Australia too

[rastignac]

Solid analysis.

I drop similar lines when my fellow US (and UK) colleagues go on about how "hot" someone is, at work, at a bar. As I am single and they are not, I am often provoked to go chase this tail. My response: "I don't need that. I am happier with European women. They are more family oriented." Other words to throw around: simple, traditional, feminine, supportive, non-competitive, loving, caring, a good mother, someone to have a good conversation with, shared values. I used to rant about American chicks. Now I just politely say, I prefer a proper girl. "What do you mean proper?!!"

The killer moment is when you show these American men a picture of your girl and she is a smoking hot girl with the body of a swimsuit model.

French and Russian ex-pat guys immediately understand. UK guys are bigger pussies that we are.

[thegmanifesto]

(01-10-2013 07:15 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Sometimes I'll drop a line in the conversation like, "Yea, she's nice, but Euro girls are soo much better." and the person I say it to doesn't understand. They might say, "America's got sexy women too." Well, I'm here to fill guys like G Manifesto and other American's who don't get our love for the Eastern ladies.

Why was this directed at me?

Where do you recommend going for "Eastern ladies"?

[rationalize_this]

G- he's trying to checkmate you

[Ray Carlton]

Where are the Euro girls from? Switzerland? Spain? Germany? Poland?

Europe is a very diversified place.

[Laner]

Quote:

You see it's natural for men to possess the dominant role in the relationship. That's what makes for a happy couple-a more powerful guy. That's why everyone is so unhappy in the states.

This was one of the first things that I learned about relationships, way back before I had even heard the term "game". I learned it without even knowing that I did, as it was something that was instilled by association in living with my parents.

I recall a story that I heard my mom tell her sister that my dad, who worked hard and was the sole income, expected my mom to work out and do yoga every day because if she got fat, he would leave her. Not surprisingly, she never did (nor did her sister).

I have used various forms of that same line on women ever since, and like I said, I never even know the impact of it until the last few years.

What you say is true of many European women, but is not impossible to find in America either. It just takes more work at the beginning to establish this.

[46.]

"Euro Women" is a broad term, obviously, but what they have that Americans don't is an overwhelming sense of history (tradition) and place. History weighs "harder" on them. It's harder for them to discard the past so they tend to respect traditions a bit more. Americans, well, we couldn't give a f--- what happened in 1997, let alone 1697. Our temporal reality is waaay too fast (if that makes sense)... we have collective ADD... We discard the past and reinvent ourselves often. Great for civil rights, entreprenuership, immigration, and black presidents and stuff, but bad for anyone seeking more "traditional" women. Chicks are always products of their culture.

[Insignia]

Overall all "Euro Women" are definitely one of the hottest women in the world but i think they should be seperated into eastern european and western european women as they have almost totally definitely vibes and costums.

[KorbenDallas]

Not directed at G, just directed at those who are like G in general. I know and have partied with guys like G. There are people who CLEAN UP in the states and don't really understand the whole East Euro craze I was just trying to fill in what the background of guys who like East Euro girls, at least in my case.

[RichieP]

ya and even in western europe you've got:

brits
germans + dutch
scandinavians
spanish, french, italian, portuguese

at least four reasonably different groups IMO

[Dulceácido]

This is like the female, opposite version of the "There's just something about being American" thread.

I understand the overall theme--can't say I particularly agree, but whatever. Sweeping generalizations are very difficult to defend and should probably be avoided if you don't welcome scrutiny.

[MJP1]

I found girls from the USA very easy to bang though as they were forward and quite aggressive with their advances compared to let's say French women who I found to be demure, until their knickers came off

As a LTR though an American is as 'flaky' as shit and I would not even consider it.

Generalizations became generalizations because they are true most of the time.

Just my 0.2

[Dulceácido]

Yes, Sir. Just like stereotypes are there for a reason. It's true. The only thing I would say is: no sooner than one of these statements leave my lips, there is someone standing there going, "Nope. I know several people and..." Never fails.

I'm definitely not saying that stereotypes and generalizations have no merit and are invalid, because the fact of the matter is that they do come from somewhere and are recognizable, usually with a hint of nostalgia. Despite how true they may or may not be, inevitably, someone's gonna get butt-hurt and throw a zinger at you when you throw them out for public discourse.

[K-man]

(01-10-2013 07:15 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Once your in a relationship they don't think or want to be the boss. It would be foreign to them much like how its foreign for American girls to be sweet.

Wait until you marry one.
Live and learn, my friend, live and learn.

[thegmanifesto]

(01-10-2013 10:10 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Not directed at G, just directed at those who are like G in general. I know and have partied with guys like G. There are people who CLEAN UP in the states and don't really understand the whole East Euro craze I was just trying to fill in what the background of guys who like East Euro girls, at least in my case.

So now I am the forum standard bearer for "Typical Americans"?

Bizarre.

Well, at least I finally got accepted on here, I guess.

[KorbenDallas]

Cleaning up in the States is not typical American G. Or else there would not be a manosphere. In the states like 5% of the guys get pretty much all the quality pussy. It's a compliment.

[Mage]

All european girls do not rock. And many of them are also lacking reciprocity. It's just that american girls lack it even more.

There is no place in the world where the spoiling of women hasn't reached. America is the center of this but since America has it's tentacles in every country - every countrey has it's women corrupted to some degree.

The only exception is something like North Korea but such places have problems of their own.

[KorbenDallas]

(01-13-2013 05:47 AM)Mage Wrote:  

All european girls do not rock. And many of them are also lacking reciprocity. It's just that american girls lack it even more.

There is no place in the world where the spoiling of women hasn't reached. America is the center of this but since America has it's tentacles in every country - every countrey has it's women corrupted to some degree.

The only exception is something like North Korea but such places have problems of their own.

Mage, I agree with you to an extent. You say the spoiling of women has reached everywhere, I would say true and also just the fact that women are going to be women. Meaning in every society they respond to power, dominance, they are hypergamous basically. But in my experience, I love european girls. OMG I think they are awesome, but I also agree with you if that makes any sense.

[Mage]

(01-14-2013 05:31 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

(01-13-2013 05:47 AM)Mage Wrote:  

All european girls do not rock. And many of them are also lacking reciprocity. It's just that american girls lack it even more.

There is no place in the world where the spoiling of women hasn't reached. America is the center of this but since America has it's tentacles in every country - every countrey has it's women corrupted to some degree.

The only exception is something like North Korea but such places have problems of their own.

Mage, I agree with you to an extent. You say the spoiling of women has reached everywhere, I would say true and also just the fact that women are going to be women. Meaning in every society they respond to power, dominance, they are hypergamous basically. But in my experience, I love european girls. OMG I think they are awesome, but I also agree with you if that makes any sense.

Yes women respond to power and dominance everywhere, but that is not a bad thing if you look at it from a proper perspective. Would you rather have them responding to weakness and submission?

Western women are spoiled precisely by lacking reciprocity - a term you nailed good. They still expect power and dominance from men but have no consciousness to respond back with being feminine submissive and pleasant. Women in countries relatively unspoiled by western feminism, still expect the same, but they give you back submission, reverence, good mood, warm meals, cleaned house and ironed clothes.