This is a thread for those of us who eventually want children. If you don't, that's cool, but everything that follows will be irrelevant to you.
I'm twenty-seven, and still very much enjoying the single life. But somewhere between 35-45, I'd like to choose a fine genetic specimen of a 20-25 year old woman and squeeze 3-5 babies out of her. I'd like to avoid losing half my shit to her, losing my kids, and all that fun stuff.
The way I see it, this is an aspect of The Game that is is 10x harder than collecting notches. I'm still a solid decade away from actually starting the hunt for a marriageable woman, but its never too early to start thinking about potential strategies.
So, men of the RVF who eventually want to have a few kids with one of the few remaining decent women left in the world: What's your game plan? I put mine into a 5000-word blog post:
http://www.thumotic.com/2013/01/08/how-to-find-a-wife/
And I'm interested in your thoughts, comments, etc. I should mention that I have zero interest in legal marriage, I'm just using the word as shorthand for picking a woman to be the mother of my children.
Excerpts Below.
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"I have exactly one goal driving me on my search for a wife: Children. That’s it. I want to be a father, and I want my children to enter life with the best possible chance of success. I believe that a monogamous partnership with a woman is the best way to do this. The prospects of cloning and surrogate mothers also intrigue me, but I ultimately want my children to have a mother in their lives. This is the only valid reason for marriage today: Procreation.
Do you want a wife because you crave companionship? You’re an idiot. Get a girlfriend, or a dog.
Do you want a wife because your friends and family expect you to get married? You’re a coward. Be a man and make your own choices in life.
Do you want a wife because your pastor has convinced you that marrying a divorcee is your duty as a Christian? You’re an idiot, a coward, and a heathen on top of it all.
I repeat, there is only one reason why a modern man should even consider marriage, and that is the prospect of becoming a father. If you want sex, love, and companionship, these things are far easier to get outside of a lifelong monogamous relationship than within it."
...
"Our generation firmly believes that a man’s early twenties are a time for getting blackout drunk five nights a week, going to ten or fifteen hours of class a week, playing video games, and otherwise not doing a hell of a lot. But the returns to hard work and education (in any form) decrease with age. A man in his twenties lays the foundation of the man he will be for the rest of his life. If you want to earn the right to choose one of the few remaining decent women in our society as a mate, you must do so my turning yourself into one of the few remaining decent men."
...
"But this is not Maxim. This is the Red Pill. This is the place where one finds harsh, gut-wrenching truths that sends cowards back into the safety of their mothers’ bosoms. If that’s your style, friend, hang on: It’s about to get dark in here.
As pleasant as it would be to live in a world where we can all basically trust others to treat us with basic respect and human decency, we do not to live in such a world. Principles of masculine honour such as honesty and the inviolability of sworn oaths are an anachronism in our culture. As such, a man who seeks to marry a woman who truly believes in chastity, lifelong fidelity, wifely submission, and male headship, cannot simply ask a woman if she believes in those principles. She may simply lie, and no one but you and a few lonely blogging reactionaries will judge her for it. Two, even if she swears to you with all her heart that she will dedicate her life to being a properly traditional and Christian wife, if at any point in time she whimsically changes her mind, you and you alone will feel that her betrayal is immoral or unjustified.
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what a man does. By marrying and having children, he is signing up for a life spent at the mercy of his woman. She can choose, any day she likes, to take away his children and livelihood. There is no contract that can be signed, no promise that can be extracted, and no vetting procedure perfect enough to ensure that this does not happen. Thus, it is imperative to choose your mate with the care."
...
"It is not enough to make a checklist of traits of that correlate with successful marriages in the GSS, and seek out a wife who maximizes your r-squared.
It is not enough to assume a woman holds true to the teachings of the Bible, because she goes to Church for an hour every Sunday.
It is not enough to merely read the books and blogs of men who have had success with women, and presume that you then know all that they do.
A man who wishes to permanently bind his wealth, happiness and genetic legacy to a woman, must first learn the true nature of her species. Not the angelic, faultless caricature painted by the Church. Not the twisted, a-feminine monstrosity encouraged by our feminist culture. Not the overly dismal, cynical and uncharitable portrait one gets from certain corners of the Manosphere. A man who wants the best for his children must choose a proper wife. To do this, he must first learn all that he can – the good, the bad, and the ugly – about female nature.
Men, you can’t trust anyone in the world. Not your teachers, your parents, your pastor, not even your favourite bloggers.
The only thing you can trust unconditionally is what you see, hear and experience with your own senses.
And so, young men who desire marriage, children, family, stability, and posterity – I suggest you spend the better part of your twenties swimming in the shark tank of the modern sexual marketplace."
...
"What this guide recommends is that you keep one foot planted firmly in reality, and be ready to shift the entirety of your weight back on that foot if any sign arises that your marriage is slipping away from you. Love your wife, but love your children more. Know the law in your jurisdiction. Draw up contingency plans. Review them with a good lawyer, and keep him on speed dial. Hide your assets. Be a good husband, but always be prepared to abandon your feelings, and make the tactical moves necessary to protect yourself, your children, and the assets you’ll need to give them the life you want for them, if your wife chooses to rebel against you and the oaths she swore."
I'm twenty-seven, and still very much enjoying the single life. But somewhere between 35-45, I'd like to choose a fine genetic specimen of a 20-25 year old woman and squeeze 3-5 babies out of her. I'd like to avoid losing half my shit to her, losing my kids, and all that fun stuff.
The way I see it, this is an aspect of The Game that is is 10x harder than collecting notches. I'm still a solid decade away from actually starting the hunt for a marriageable woman, but its never too early to start thinking about potential strategies.
So, men of the RVF who eventually want to have a few kids with one of the few remaining decent women left in the world: What's your game plan? I put mine into a 5000-word blog post:
http://www.thumotic.com/2013/01/08/how-to-find-a-wife/
And I'm interested in your thoughts, comments, etc. I should mention that I have zero interest in legal marriage, I'm just using the word as shorthand for picking a woman to be the mother of my children.
Excerpts Below.
* * *
"I have exactly one goal driving me on my search for a wife: Children. That’s it. I want to be a father, and I want my children to enter life with the best possible chance of success. I believe that a monogamous partnership with a woman is the best way to do this. The prospects of cloning and surrogate mothers also intrigue me, but I ultimately want my children to have a mother in their lives. This is the only valid reason for marriage today: Procreation.
Do you want a wife because you crave companionship? You’re an idiot. Get a girlfriend, or a dog.
Do you want a wife because your friends and family expect you to get married? You’re a coward. Be a man and make your own choices in life.
Do you want a wife because your pastor has convinced you that marrying a divorcee is your duty as a Christian? You’re an idiot, a coward, and a heathen on top of it all.
I repeat, there is only one reason why a modern man should even consider marriage, and that is the prospect of becoming a father. If you want sex, love, and companionship, these things are far easier to get outside of a lifelong monogamous relationship than within it."
...
"Our generation firmly believes that a man’s early twenties are a time for getting blackout drunk five nights a week, going to ten or fifteen hours of class a week, playing video games, and otherwise not doing a hell of a lot. But the returns to hard work and education (in any form) decrease with age. A man in his twenties lays the foundation of the man he will be for the rest of his life. If you want to earn the right to choose one of the few remaining decent women in our society as a mate, you must do so my turning yourself into one of the few remaining decent men."
...
"But this is not Maxim. This is the Red Pill. This is the place where one finds harsh, gut-wrenching truths that sends cowards back into the safety of their mothers’ bosoms. If that’s your style, friend, hang on: It’s about to get dark in here.
As pleasant as it would be to live in a world where we can all basically trust others to treat us with basic respect and human decency, we do not to live in such a world. Principles of masculine honour such as honesty and the inviolability of sworn oaths are an anachronism in our culture. As such, a man who seeks to marry a woman who truly believes in chastity, lifelong fidelity, wifely submission, and male headship, cannot simply ask a woman if she believes in those principles. She may simply lie, and no one but you and a few lonely blogging reactionaries will judge her for it. Two, even if she swears to you with all her heart that she will dedicate her life to being a properly traditional and Christian wife, if at any point in time she whimsically changes her mind, you and you alone will feel that her betrayal is immoral or unjustified.
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what a man does. By marrying and having children, he is signing up for a life spent at the mercy of his woman. She can choose, any day she likes, to take away his children and livelihood. There is no contract that can be signed, no promise that can be extracted, and no vetting procedure perfect enough to ensure that this does not happen. Thus, it is imperative to choose your mate with the care."
...
"It is not enough to make a checklist of traits of that correlate with successful marriages in the GSS, and seek out a wife who maximizes your r-squared.
It is not enough to assume a woman holds true to the teachings of the Bible, because she goes to Church for an hour every Sunday.
It is not enough to merely read the books and blogs of men who have had success with women, and presume that you then know all that they do.
A man who wishes to permanently bind his wealth, happiness and genetic legacy to a woman, must first learn the true nature of her species. Not the angelic, faultless caricature painted by the Church. Not the twisted, a-feminine monstrosity encouraged by our feminist culture. Not the overly dismal, cynical and uncharitable portrait one gets from certain corners of the Manosphere. A man who wants the best for his children must choose a proper wife. To do this, he must first learn all that he can – the good, the bad, and the ugly – about female nature.
Men, you can’t trust anyone in the world. Not your teachers, your parents, your pastor, not even your favourite bloggers.
The only thing you can trust unconditionally is what you see, hear and experience with your own senses.
And so, young men who desire marriage, children, family, stability, and posterity – I suggest you spend the better part of your twenties swimming in the shark tank of the modern sexual marketplace."
...
"What this guide recommends is that you keep one foot planted firmly in reality, and be ready to shift the entirety of your weight back on that foot if any sign arises that your marriage is slipping away from you. Love your wife, but love your children more. Know the law in your jurisdiction. Draw up contingency plans. Review them with a good lawyer, and keep him on speed dial. Hide your assets. Be a good husband, but always be prepared to abandon your feelings, and make the tactical moves necessary to protect yourself, your children, and the assets you’ll need to give them the life you want for them, if your wife chooses to rebel against you and the oaths she swore."
