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I try let the men be the man...But....
#51

I try let the men be the man...But....

Miss chocolate probably needs a good fuck and then she will be quiet.

Instead of worrying about enabling men to be alpha, why don't you show us a picture of your pussy with "soup" written next to it in red mascara?

Or at least show us a picture of you putting a chocolate birthday cake into your pussy with "soup" written on a piece of paper next to your pussy.
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#52

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Funny that women bitch about men not choosing yet love to criticize their choices day in and day out. To me mrs chocolate revealed herself when she mentioned "I love modern girl power" as someone who wants to have her cake and eat it, too. Either you want power which comes with responsibility or you expect to be led and then shut up instead of complaining about where he leads you.
This is why I dislike going to semi-feminized societies, they are the worst of both worlds. In Asia girls will let you lead and not complain. In western Europe they "woman up" and offer input and opinion, accepting responsibility. In modern Brazil they want to be "strong and equal" while being pampered like a princess and critical of men. I will miss the beach in Brazil but more than likely will not return, the place has become a dump with western prices, entitled attitudes and hypocritical girls. Better to live in NAmerica or Europe for work and reason, go to Asia for feminine women.
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#53

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Quote: (12-30-2012 06:52 AM)Asaxon Wrote:  

Funny that women bitch about men not choosing yet love to criticize their choices day in and day out. To me mrs chocolate revealed herself when she mentioned "I love modern girl power" as someone who wants to have her cake and eat it, too. Either you want power which comes with responsibility or you expect to be led and then shut up instead of complaining about where he leads you.
This is why I dislike going to semi-feminized societies, they are the worst of both worlds. In Asia girls will let you lead and not complain. In western Europe they "woman up" and offer input and opinion, accepting responsibility. In modern Brazil they want to be "strong and equal" while being pampered like a princess and critical of men. I will miss the beach in Brazil but more than likely will not return, the place has become a dump with western prices, entitled attitudes and hypocritical girls. Better to live in NAmerica or Europe for work and reason, go to Asia for feminine women.

EXACTLY!!

Now I do not know Ms. Chocolate enough to criticize her, but if there is one thing that I won't accept in the whole be-the-man vs. feminism thing is that I won't settle for women "having their cake and eat it too". Either you follow my lead (and keep quiet) OR I can give you your "feminism" but the woman MUST shoulder burden, risk, time (and possibly money).

I don't give "both ways"...and my ex's can verify that...whether they decided to deal with me or told me to hit the road.
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#54

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Gender roles and Gender Equality are contradictory social philosophies. pick one, because you can’t have both. Under the gender role philosophy it is my role to stand up and let you sit down on a crowded bus, under the Gender Equality philosophy you ought to stand up on a crowded bus because I got here first. Under Gender Role I should pay for the date. Under Gender Equality: We pay for our own meals. Gender Role: It is mainly my job to be the provider in the house hold. Gender Equality: Get a damn job and pay half the bills. Be consistent and stop wavering between the two philosophies depending on which one is most beneficial to you at the time.

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#55

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Miss C, from everything you've said in this site over the past few years, it sounds like have trouble finding guys, so maybe be a bit more lenient on him. Just because he isn't taking charge now doesn't mean he can't learn. You just may have to drop some hints. Way back in the day before I learned about game, I was an uber beta and got blown out by a girl I was crazy about for what is probably the same reasons you are saying here.

In retrospect, she was dropping hints left and right that she wanted me to be more assertive but I was just too clueless at the time to act on it. And she bailed. But the thing is, I'd have actually made a decent guy for her, but she couldn't get past that. It might not be worth it if he has other good qualities that make up for it. I'm assuming you are looking for a serious guy and don't want to go into your 30s single.
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#56

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Speakeasy, do you propose men change their way of being to please girls who "drop hints" as to what behavior they want? Talk about female imperative. If You lead just because she asks you to do so you do not really lead, you do as she says...
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#57

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Quote: (12-30-2012 05:16 PM)Asaxon Wrote:  

Speakeasy, do you propose men change their way of being to please girls who "drop hints" as to what behavior they want? Talk about female imperative. If You lead just because she asks you to do so you do not really lead, you do as she says...

Some men don't know how to lead because they were just never taught those roles in modern feminized society. My dad was a beta provider, not an alpha. He never sat down with me and dropped any red pill stuff. I ended up having to learn it on my own after bad experiences with women. Because my betaism caused that girl to drop me, I went through depression and that led me to David DeAngelo which was my gateway to this deep rabbit hole. All I'm saying is that the guy Mrs C is dissatisfied with could possibly have good potential, he just hasn't seen the light. And if he's an otherwise cool dude and Mrs C has a hard time meeting guys anyway, maybe she can be a bit more patient. Better a girl have a decent but beta guy, then end up a 35 year old spinster with a house full of cats.
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#58

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Quote: (12-30-2012 05:16 PM)Asaxon Wrote:  

Speakeasy, do you propose men change their way of being to please girls who "drop hints" as to what behavior they want? Talk about female imperative. If You lead just because she asks you to do so you do not really lead, you do as she says...

This is typical reasoning of game denialists. If you do anything for a woman, then you're not a real man and you deserve the mark of shame.

This is real misogyny here, because to get to this point you need to hate women so much that doing anything to please them causes you revulsion.

The manosphere doesn't advocate doing nothing in order to get women, it advocates doing some things in a different way than normal in order to attract women. I.e. "Game".

If the idea of having to put in a little bit of work to win female attention bothers you, don't learn the game. No one is forcing you. Enjoy masturbation.

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#59

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its really sad when someone like Ms. C who studies game and does not even recognize why men act that way. Ms. C cannot claim ignorance on this.

So Ms. C judgement is swift and cold, guilty without trial or review.

Guilty for being a nice guy...the very men women created.

Ms. C, Those guys don't know any better, like Speak said.

Is it there fault? Damn if you don't, damn if you do...

How does a guy really win in dating,

Ms. C should be more compassionate, and show some empathy.

At least these guys like her and treat her well, would she rather have someone play games with her and than cheat on her.

Women, come on....decide what you want, its okay to like players just be honest with yourself....
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#60

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samseau: so I hate women because I think a man should not change his persona simply to please them? You throw the " misogyny hammer" at me? You try to shame me with masturbation remarks because we disagree?I feel like I am on jizz-a-bell..
To address your point, sure game works but men should pick it up for their own benefit and to help themselves, not be nagged into it by a female and adopt the selective part she likes like a trained puppy.
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#61

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@Asaxon: Why are you so angry? What was her name?

@jerome: This nice guy thing... I can asure you that not every men that passed by was kind or even good to me. But this subject is something else. Some guys are just lazy, agressive (in words, attitude).

@speakeasy: I understand that we are an anxious and insecure generation/society, and I don't expect a super macho men by my side. I can be tolerant, I have been for too long I guess. I was dating a guy who was uneducated (a terrible high school), probably earned less than I do, he had no many manners (how to eat, talk in public) and all of this wasn't bothering me, in fact, he was great and I miss him in part. Once, he asked me help to choose a prep school. I felt it was weird, because if in my position I would do it by myself. But I helped him without say MAN UP or something alike. My guess is that he was wondering what was I doing with him instead of enjoy.

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#62

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Mrs chocolate: nice ad hominem. Got no arguments so pulling out personal insults, eh? Says a lot about yourself.
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#63

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Mrs. C, why don't you become an au pere and head on over to the DC area. I guarantee you that there are guys here that will tell you just what to do without asking your opinion.

Bottom line is, what actions are you actually going to take to get what you want? My suggestion is date older guys.

Also, just because Mrs. C is the only woman allowed to post here, doesn't really mean she has internalized what we talk about. I think it's a lot harder for women to be self-critical because of their solipsistic nature; it would be an attack on her self.
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#64

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Quote: (12-31-2012 02:55 AM)Asaxon Wrote:  

samseau: so I hate women because I think a man should not change his persona simply to please them? You throw the " misogyny hammer" at me? You try to shame me with masturbation remarks because we disagree?I feel like I am on jizz-a-bell..

I don't know if you hate women or not, but if you truly believe a man shouldn't do anything to please a woman then you've hit rock bottom in terms of woman hate.

By the way - I couldn't give a rats ass if you hate women or not.

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To address your point, sure game works but men should pick it up for their own benefit and to help themselves, not be nagged into it by a female and adopt the selective part she likes like a trained puppy.

Obviously if a man wants to learn game he needs to go to other men for advice, but the idea that he's "doing it for himself" versus "doing it to please women" is just mashing of semantics and intentions. In the final analysis, it doesn't really matter why a man learns game, because it will improve his love life no matter what.

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#65

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Samseau, why the hyperbole? I never stated anything close to what you claim ( not do anything for a woman ever). I stand by my point as made above: leadership stems from an inner attitude, not female-demanded roleplay.
I am not sure why you feel the need to get negative and be in attack mode (masturbation, " I don't give a rat's ass") in this thread but won't speculate on what exactly riles you up so much that you resort to these tactics.
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Quote: (12-31-2012 12:34 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Mrs. C, why don't you become an au pere and head on over to the DC area. I guarantee you that there are guys here that will tell you just what to do without asking your opinion.

Bottom line is, what actions are you actually going to take to get what you want? My suggestion is date older guys.

Also, just because Mrs. C is the only woman allowed to post here, doesn't really mean she has internalized what we talk about. I think it's a lot harder for women to be self-critical because of their solipsistic nature; it would be an attack on her self.

I will date one if possible and I will post the results. Although I think some 40s men have been acting like 20s, because your life experiences and self conscious growth dictates your maturity.

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#67

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Thank you for posting this, it's really insightful and helpful.


Quote: (12-26-2012 02:13 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

What is dominance?:

• the state that exists when one person or group has power over another;
• authority: the power or right to give orders or make decisions; "he has the authority to issue warrants"; "deputies are given authorization to make arrests"; "a place of potency in the state"

Let’s also look at definition of Submission, and we are not talking about BDSM stuff here:

• the act of submitting; usually surrendering power to another
• the condition of having submitted to control by someone or something else;

In any relationship, sexual, friendship, family, there will always be degree of dominance-submission between people. You notice this at work to very large extreme. And often, your manager might have work related dominance over you, but you would easily dominate him in a fight and kick his ass. So physical, emotional and social dominance/submission are all different categories and having one doesn’t mean you have the others.

Emotional, Sexual and Social Dominance

What I wanted to point out about dominance and submission is that women, naturally, are emotionally and sexually submissive beings. I know, I know you’re going to give me examples of “strong women” blah blah blah. Good. But for every strong dominant woman there is a stronger dominant man. Ironically, I’ve fucked dominatrix (girl that is dominant in sex, and often in relationship). She was on the bottom. She was pretty narcistic bitch, had some psychological issues, and dominated men out of bitterness towards them. When we fucked she was on the bottom. I told her what to do, and how to please me. She has thanked me later, because, I truly made her feel like a woman. Who knew, right?

In practicality, when you start dating a girl, you should automatically frame yourself as dominant. How?
First you need to start believing that every decision you make is the best decision. You absolutely have to blindly believe that you make good decisions and people should follow you and listen to you.

You start working on yourself first, and without sounding like some Inner Game junkie, you have to clean out skeletons out of your closet. Ask yourself if you

* - Hate, despise women because they have it “easy” and you don’t
* - Hate people because they have things you don’t
* - Have anger towards “world”, Government, police, authority, taxes, whatever else has authority over you
* - Have self doubting thoughts


Self doubting thoughts will never let you be free. They will come up. The less of them you have and when they come up the sooner you address them, the less they will interfere with your leadership. It’s not rocket science and I am not re-inventing the wheel here, No Woman Will Want Self Doubting Man.

It starts how you approach her. Dominant man, I’ve noticed in me and in my natural friends, do not hesitate. They do not worry about getting rejected. They target in on a girl and approach. When they speak they speak clear and loud. They never repeat themselves, nor do they answer any questions they do not want to answer. There is never a decision of “which opener to use” or “should I run this routine or that routine”. Everything is down in the head. There is confidence that material work. Success brings that confidence, repeated exposure to positive results only re-enforce effectiveness of the method.

Dominant man do tell. They don’t ask, they don’t tack on “ok?” or “right?”to their statements. They don’t politely ask if it’s ok to do something. When walking through crowd, their “excuse me” is aftermath. Consider following conversation:

Beta Man: “Hey, hi, excuse me.. hi…can I ask you something?”
Vs.
Alpha Man: “Hey. I need to ask you something. “

Beta: “Would you like to exchange the phone numbers, so umm maybe we can hang out?”
Vs:
“Give me your number; I’ll give you a call sometimes next week”

This kind of submissive passive behavior carries into relationship (if one ever starts). If I had a nickel for every single fucking time I overhear this conversation

Beta-boyfriend: “baby…umm where do you wanna eat?”
Girlfriend: “baby, I don’t care”
BF: “baby , I don’t either. Whatever you want. So what do you want?”
GF: “I said I don’t care. Pick something”
BF: “ umm well, I don’t know, I don’t know what I want… maybe..well sushi?”
GF: “You know I don’t like sushi. Pick something else”
BF: “umm baby, well, I don’t know, Italian?”
GF: “No.. it’s too heavy. I am on a diet, I don’t want Italian”
BF:”Well.. I don’t know baby, then you suggest something… I gave you two choices”
GF: “I don’t know. I am just gonna warm up a pop tart”
BF: “wait. What I wanna go out… let’s go somewhere… we’ll go to that ‘nice expensive restaurant’ you like”
GF:” I don’t want to, because, we are going there for dinner this Saturday, with Jack and Jane”

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! PICK A GODDAMN PLACE!

This is how this conversation goes with a dominant male:
BF: “Hey baby, get dressed I am hungry!”
GF: “Where are we going”
BF: “this neat little Greek place, you’ll like it”
GF: OK! (or “well I don’t know”)
BF: “Today I pick, you pick tomorrow. We are going”


DONE!

Here is another example of dominance in relationship. NEVER EVER ask your girlfriend to do anything. Just pitch that habit right away. You tell her. You can add “please” if you so wish.

Submissive: “baby, if you can, would you bring me ____?”
Aggressive dominant “Baby, bring me ___, please, thanks.”

First Date:

First Date will determine the course of the relationship. THIS IS WHY it is important to be prepared. I cannot stand looking, anymore, at posts saying “FIRST DATE ASAP! NEED HELP. WHERE/What to do!??”

What the fuck is this shit!?

It’s a man’s job to plan a date. Whatever it is, does not matter. “umm well ahh we can meet up for coffee” is NOT a well planned date. However,
“Let’s grab some startbucks at Livingston Ave, talk for a little bit and then we’ll ‘play it by ear’”

Oh and important note “Play it by ear” is ABSOLUTELY pre-planned set of events that should come off spontaneously to her.

On a date, who pays?

You!

Your date should not cost more than $20 for two. Starbucks macchiato is $4.00 and your cup of coffee is $2. Since you picked the place, you pay. I haven’t spent more than $10 on cup of coffee and a cupcake on first date.

You should have second place pre-planned, somewhere near your house.

IF YOU INVITE HER FOR DRINKS buy first round. If she likes you, she will buy you second. If she insists on paying for herself, I jokingly say “get out! I’ll take care of this, you’ll get me a drink/coffee some other day”

It’s also possible you’ll get “who says there will be another date?” shit-test question. THIS IS your time to shine with cocky answer: “with me, there is always second date, unless you screw it up!” while sporting a douchemile (douchebag arrogant half smile when you know you’re being cocky)

Ok this post is not about dating. I just wanted to give some examples.

Assume leadership.

You PICK places to eat. ALWAYS. Helps if you know what kind of food she does not eat or allergic to; if she doesn’t like it, she can suggest something else, and it’s OK to do that, but if she has no definite pick, you always pick.

You PICK where and what to do. Again, if she has something in mind, definite something, she wants to do, and you want to do it too, then do that. About 10% of the time my girlfriend knew what the fuck she wanted to do. Often you’ll hear “I wanna go dancing” or “I wanna cherry martini” or “I just wanna chill”. Those are her moods. Those are not her “plans”. Going to Voodoo lounge to dance in South Beach Friday Evening is a plan. “I just wanna go dance” is NOT a plan. “I just wanna chill” – is time to go get movie, make some popcorn and spend evening on the couch cuddling. Her moods change, if girl says, “I just wanna chill” and I am not jizzing my pants over watching some movie, I’ll suggest quiet local shit-hole in the wall bar for couple quiet calm drinks. Usually, that gets most girls in a good mood to ‘move somewhere fun’.

If you don’t assume leadership, majority of girls will not know what the hell they want. Your passive pussy behaviour will wind you up in an argument. Believe me guys, I was there too. A lot of arguments started from my indecisiveness. Indecisiveness is VERY un-attractive in men. Ask ANY woman.

You “make” decisions for her when she can’t. It’s not just women, but even men ask other men for advice. Sometimes it’s difficult situations that needs third party outsider input but sometimes it’s simple. “Baby, I don’t know what to wear” is her indecisiveness. Tell her “You look soo fucking sexy in that red dress you wore to Martini Park”. Is you making decisions for her. Don’t tell her she should wear it, don’t suggest it. TELL HER! She might say “I don’t know what I wanna eat today!” in a text message. Don’t ask her what she wants, she doesn’t know. Tell her “Chipotle!” or “Go to Subway!”

You don’t say “You should” or “If I were you” because those are passive aggressive. Make statements about what she did or will do and how it will make her feel/look. Instead of “honey you shouldn’t wear that dress” say “That black dress you have, does not make you look good.” Don’t be afraid to “offend her”, because you wont. If she asks you “how does this make me look?” and she looks fat in this, say “Don’t wear it.” If she says Why? Tell her “I don’t like it.” And point something better for her. You will NEVER see her wear that dress again. EVER! (Personal experience)

You always tell the truth no matter how offensive it sounds. I will cover why trust is important and how without it, you will fail. But don’t lie to your girls. If she asks questions you don’t want to answer, tell the truth “I don’t want to answer or have this discussion” or “you don’t want to know”

You put her in her place. This is probably singlehandedly the HOTTEST thing a man can do. A real man does not scream or criticize her. Real man approaches, really close looks into her eyes until she looks down in submission. Arguments are her battle ground because she will use her irrational logic. You can never win and winning the argument will only hunt you down in sweet-sweet revenge from her. You state your point and leave it at that. Unemotional. Stoic. Strong. You let her know that her little tantrums are not working. Waterworks have no effect on your behavior. (Of course some serious concerns need to be discussed, but majority of couple’s arguments are on irrelevant and useless topics)

Self Control, Self Respect and Self Satisfaction bring TRUST

You must ALWAYS exercise self control over your emotions and feelings, over how much you neg her, how you tease her and what you say. Eventually she will pickup on this, ha! Eventually is nearly immediate. Your self control develops trust from her. TRUST is one of the most important things in being dominant.

TRUST IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN BEING DOMINANT.

If she does not trust you, she will not follow you. A man that has a healthy self esteem and posses self control can be trusted. If she feels that you can handle yourself, she will let herself be handled by you.

A MAN that handles himself has self respect and self confidence that he can face any problems coming his ways. A VERY STRONG MAN not only faces his own problems but problems of his loved ones.

Only when she can see that you handle her shit tests, and life’s shit tests, and other people’s shit tests, ONLY THEN she will trust you.

TRUST IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN BEING DOMINANT.

Once she trusts you, you can do virtually everything with her. And by trust I mean, much deeper than “he wont cheat on me” kind of trust. That’s just beginning of it.

By exercising self control, whenever you do something, it’s precise, planned, thought through, organized, logical and managed action.

For example if you rush through kino escalation on first date and miscalibratedly “go for it”, you will break her trust.

If you get emotional and snap at her, you will break her trust. She will no longer think that you’re stoic and un-shakable.

If she throws you a HOOP and you jump through it, you will break her trust. No longer you have ability to remain un affected by outside world. She cannot rely on you now, because you bend backwards.

If you break down, emotionally, and “give up” she will no longer trust you that you can handle the world, life and perhaps a family one day.

If you get carried away with “love” and emotions, she will no longer trust you with other women. You’re easily manipulated. You can be emotionally dependant and will seek the next “fix”.

If you start asking for sex and sexual favors, she will no longer trust you that you can have your choices of women. Because, men with choices never have to ask. Even though this makes NO SENSE in relationship, because, you’re not supposed to have “choices” but from stand point of evolution and psychology it makes sense to her.

If you start “rewarding” her bad behavior she will no longer trust that you have self respect, she will no longer have respect for you either. A man that lost woman’s respect soon will lose that woman.

If you start telling your buddies about dirty little thing she does for you in bed, she will no longer trust that you will keep her good name in good standing. And now she looks like a “whore” to your friends, and “why are they all giving me dirty looks?”

SHE WILL WANT TO BE A GOOD WOMAN TO YOU because she TRUSTS you will do best for yourself, her and her children that you two *might* have one day.

A man with strong healthy emotions is hard to find. If you become that man who passes all her trust-tests, the kind of man who is NOT shaken by outside world, or inside turmoil in his own head, is the man who is reliable.

She can look up to this man for guidance and emotional stability. When her little emotions are screwing with her head, it’s this kind of man who can keep her in check.
Those are short-spoken truth I’ve heard my girlfriends say, my female friends say, my own mother say and few of my natural friends say.

“I trust you” is probably the most golden token of submission from her and accepting your lead dominant role. The SECOND you hear those words from your woman’s mouth is the second she started believing in you. She will believe in you in several ways:

She will, not always verbally, say “I trust that….

- I trust that….You will treat me great” – this is a loaded statement, because, “treating great” is keeping her in check. Women are emotional beings and often inner game turmoil makes them do irrational things and act stupid. This is biology. Sorry girls. AS A MAN, it is *YOUR JOB* …let me fucking repeat that, YOUR JOB AS A MAN is to handle those instabilities in your, hers and yours, world. YES she will act up. Yes she will throw you a curve ball, yes she will say one day “I am going to a club with some girlfriends” and you will dumb-fundedly say “ummm well ok….just …be safe” or maybe even “just don’t talk to any men!” WRONG! Why? Because, there is NOTHING you can do about this. You know what I usually say, “Tits! Baby, have a great night”

- I trust that….You will not hurt me and protect me” – probably the second most common reason why girls are subconsciously afraid to let the man lead. And I am talking about both, physical and emotional hurt here. She will trust you that you will not cheat on her and hurt her. She trusts you will not raise a hand on her or be abusive in other forms (remember, self control), she trusts that if someone were to disrespect her, you would stick up for her. This is Mystery 101 shit. Protection of loved ones. What the fuck I am telling you same thing again for?

- I trust that….You will not judge me!” FOCKING IMPORTANT! VERY! This is your KEY to kinky sex. She will watch how you talk about your exes. She will watch how you talk about girls with your buddies. She will ask you stories that will reveal how you think about women. She will tell you stories like “Jenni is such a slut. She is such a whore. I cannot believe she slept with that guy, and that guy, and whatever. I bet she has an STD”…and you dumb-fuck would happily say “oh yeah honey, she’s a skanky whore. Yeah I am glad you are not like that” WRONG! Now she knows that woman who’s promiscuous in your opinion is a whore. Now she knows that god forbid you’ll learn her past, she’ll be a whore too in your eyes. Well boys, she is not a whore. The right thing to say to that: “Baby, don’t talk about Jenni like that. Seriously. There is nothing wrong with women liking sex. I think she’s confident and just comparison shopping” Make a joke about it, but sound serious. This is where your true beliefs come in. If you really believe that that behavior is whorish, you need to rethink your beliefs. Because, if your buddy Bill told you about his friend Josh who’s fucking a new girl every other day, you’d call him a player and would probably want to know how he does this. Drop the double standard. And if you think that having multiple partners is “wrong” and unhealthy, you should still not judge people that do.

- I trust that….You will make me feel comfortable being myself”. Otherwise known as she will be ok with being a woman. This is probably a little caveat I missed and many other men miss for longest time. You need to embrace her womanhood. She will thank you for letting her be who she is. When she’s irrational she doesn’t want to reason and have logical discussion. When she wants sweet cuddling loving she’s being a woman. When she wants rough fast hardcore fucking, she’s being a woman. When she wants to have romantic picnic she’s being a woman. When she makes you dinner and puts candles on the table, two glasses of wine she’s being a woman. You love woman and what they do for you, themselves and people they care for. When it takes her 2 hours to get ready in the bathroom, account for it. You know it will take her that long. Planning is man’s job, remember? She is getting pretty FOR YOU, ASSHOLE! So don’t blame her for being late because “someone” had to spend 6 hours getting ready. Plan this into your arrival time, so you’re not late for the reservations. Thank her for being a woman. When she’s finally done getting ready, tell her she looks gorgeous, pretty or stunning. If she was going for “sexy” look then tell her she looks sexy. Come close to her, put your hands around her pull her in, whisper in her ear “baby, I already cannot wait till we get back, the things I will do to you” give her a kiss and pull away, take her hand and walk with her. When she made you dinner, eat with her, look into her eyes and tell her that it was great. Even if it wasn’t. She asked you “how was it?” you tell her it was great because she did it for you. When she’s washing the dishes after, come behind her, put your arms around her lean into her ear, kiss her neck and say “it turns me own when you are being such a good little girl” in low voice. Who knows, this might lead into makeout and passionate sex on the kitchen floor. When she’s being irrational, do not tell her she’s being irrational, do not tell her she’s acting stupid. Just let her vent. Give her a big hug, hold her close and tell her that “everything is going to be ok. Trust me, I will make it ok for you” RE-INFORCE that she can rely on you even if you physically cannot help her, she will still trust in your support.

Vulnerability and Sex

Nobody wants to be vulnerable. However, often, women become very vulnerable when they are intimate with men. Why? Because, in order for woman to orgasm, she has to LET GO of all her concerns, issues, and thinking, and accept that man in her; literally speaking: let a man enter her and know her on the level that only few got to.

The amount of trust she has with you will determine your sex experience.

(Side note, there is also the “amount of anonymity” factor. I’ve had some mind blowing one night stands, with girls I didn’t care about nor they cared about me. Because we both knew we don’t know who we are and chances of running into each other again are none)

If you have sexual experience and know what you’re doing you will naturally lead in bed. Even if she had more partners than you have had, she will still allow you to take her through sexual experience.

When a girl cums she’s very self conscious and she’s afraid you are going to judge her. The judgment factor plays in many other situations: If you “suggest” that she gives you a blow job in the bathroom at the bar, she will immediately think “he’s gonna tell all his buddies, and I will look like a slut” if she does NOT trust you.

However, if you’ve develop connection and TRUST with her, you can TELL her to do things. Because she doesn’t even think about it, all she thinks about is how please you will be. To woman pleasing a man is HOT. Often, girls I date cannot wait to suck my dick, not because, they love it, but because, they love the fact I love it. Their desire to please me sexually is very strong that it overpowers any ‘rational’ thought. You have experience with woman, you have sexual knowledge, she will want you to dominate her. IF you tell her “get on your knees”, she knows that it’s going to be fun. If you say “baby, can you please give me a blow job” she thinks “óh geez, not again…why can’t he just …be a man and just do it”

Same reason she wont be into it, and you will kill the mood if you say “baby wanna try doggy?” YES MORON! I Do. Now you killed the mood.

I’ve made that mistake once. My girl and I were really horny driving around town. We were both cranky from various events in our lives and a good car fucking would fix this. But I couldn’t find discreet spot, I was driving around, asking her if “this is good” or ”how about now”… well guess what I killed the mood and we nearly got into bickering. If I would have had my shit together, and pulled into empty parking lot without asking and told her to get in the back seat, it would have been different ending.
Girls want to be fucked. Fucked hard, soft, slow, fast, aggressively but they want to be fucked. They don’t want to “fuck” a guy. They want to be fucked. In bed assume ownership. Assume that she wants to do everything. If you want to fuck her doggy, bend her over put her on her knees and fuck her doggy. Also women like to be fucked in other places than bed and other times than before you fall asleep. Catch her coming out of the shower and grab her by the robe, pull her in the bedroom and fuck her on the floor. If you two are alone, at home, fuck her on the couch in living room. Fuck her in garage while working on your car. Call her over, “baby, I am thirsty, please bring me some water”, when she comes in pull her in for kissing and fuck her right then and there.

Girls like to be slutty, but they will never admit it. When she’s behind closed doors she fantasizes about men treating her like a dirty whore and degrading her. Those sexual fantasies are just fantasies, but often you can fill some of them. Usually, through dirty talking and role playing. Remember that everything you do in the bedroom is play. You don’t think she’s the whore in real life, but in bed she is. You treat her like one; some women enjoy being slapped, spanked, scratched, bitten, and abused. They like their hair pulled, they like you being rough on their nipples, they enjoy the hard pounding, they like that somewhat “forceful” nature of a man. You flip her around, toss her, grab her, pull her hair, slam her pussy with your dick, put your fingers in her mouth, slap her ass, suck on her neck and tits. She’s not as precious flower as you think she is. She can take it rough. Actually, I was blown by the fact how rough you can get with the girl and she would love it. Let me say that one of the girl, I casually dated, liked it soo rough that her friends seriously thought that we had a serious case of domestic abuse. She liked being slapped, spat on, and even pissed on. Once our sex was soo rough she had a huge red mark across her face I slapped her so hard. In the act, she didn’t feel anything but ecstasy. I am not saying that all girls like that. But it can get pretty rough.

If you want her to talk dirty, then take the lead and talk dirty to her first. Start slow but escalate. Good phrases to start with are (progressively):
“I like hearing you moan”
“you sound so hot when you suck me off”
“I like how your tits bouncing up and down when I fuck you like this”
“I want you to suck my cock like a good little girl”
“I want you to be my naughty girl tonight”
“you are soo good, wet, tight and slippery”
“I want you to be a little slut for me tonight”
“when you cum like a good slutty little girl makes me want to cover you with cum”
“god ..you’d look so hot with my cum all over your slutty body”
“oh baby…I like the noise you make when you suck my dick. When it’s soo deep in your throat”
“I love how you choke on me. I like how you gag. You like your mouth fucked”
“I want to cover your face your tits and your pretty slutty mouth. You’ll be my sexy whore tonight”
Ask her questions, “How does it feel to be filled by me?”
“You look so hot when you cum …do you like when I pull your hair as you cum”
“what will my slutty little girl do to please me?”
“who are you? Are you my little slut??”
“you’re such a whore, I love when you get pounded by me, do you like being my worthless whore?”

I have personally uttered those lines to more than one girl I’ve been with. After a while you develop sense of novelty a girl would have. Some wont really care much for whore-master play.

Give her roles and names. Several times I would tell my girlfriend “I am picking you up at 10, dress slutty, we are going to pickup girls tonight, wear a skirt and no panties” (my gf was bisexual).

Tell her to dress up for you. But make sure you dress up for her. If you want her to have her tits half exposed with pushup bra, make sure you dress in sexy button up and designer jeans with NICE shoes. She will directly reflect you. If you wear shorts, flip flops and t-shirt, she’ll wear same thing. I don’t think a girl looks as hot in casual tee and shorts combination as she does in a dress, skirt, and blouse.

Ever single girl that I’ve been with, “Good girl” and naught girl, likes when man manhandles her. It’s very hard to explain in text, but almost all your actions should be determined. You should not hesitate. You need to be confident and handle her like if you handling something you’re used to.

If you want to fuck her in the ass, assuming you’ve done it before, start by playing around her asshole with your finger. Anal sex is best left for “when you two are drunk” or “right out of the shower”. Otherwise she’ll get self conscious. When she’s drunk she won’t care. Some girls are absolutely not into anal. Nothing you can change about that. Some girls are not into other girls. Nothing you can change about that either. No matter how dominant you are. But if you want to do it, don’t make an ‘event’ out of it. Don’t approach it as “TONIGHT is the BIG NIGHT we try anal”. Just go for it. Play with her ass a little bit, if she tells you to stop, stop. Don’t question it. Come back to it in a little bit, she’ll probably tell you “I don’t wanna do it” You can say “If it hurts I’ll stop” …she might need a little bit ‘convincing’ but all you need to convey to her that you know what you’re doing and she should trust you. “Baby, I know how to do it right, you won’t hurt, I promise, trust me” Then again if she says no, then she says no. She also needs to know that she wont hear through the grapevine from her friends that she was fucked in the ass. So don’t yap your mouth. This shows in your conversations about your exes. If she knows you are discreet she will want you do a lot of things to her and with her.

Sometimes, if you’re very determined it might take several one-on-one talks about things you two should try. But never ask. Dominant guys don’t ask. “Baby, we should try anal sometimes” If you don’t know what you’re doing, don’t say it; if she asked you If you’ve done it before, say yes. She needs to feel safe and that you’re not going to hurt her. Again, when doing it, self control comes in a major play. You have to be SOOOO SLOW AND GENTLE and it takes a lot of patient. If you cannot control yourself, you’ll find it hard to do it right and you’ll end up hurting the girl.

Threesomes:

It’s a lot easier to find a girl that’s already into girls than trying to convince your girlfriend to have one. Because, then she’ll “do you a favor” and she wont enjoy it. Plus there will be a lot of awkwardness and jealousy.

Dominant Male Attitudes and Behaviors

You do not “own” her but you do in a way. She’s not your possession but she’s there for you to “use” and enjoy. I know this sounds pretty sexist, but it is true. Women want to “belong” to a man. We are not talking about financial or materialistic way. We are talking about emotional and psychological way. You don’t own any rights to her but being intimate gives you right to touch her where ever you want on her body. It also gives you sexual access to her. In other words you should never ask for sex. In fact, most of the time, if you’re REALLY good she will be asking you for sex. Trust me.

Dominant men are good in bed. LEARN! Practice multiple orgasm, exercise your PC muscle, whatever it takes to get good. Read books, watch porn, do whatever you can. My good friend once said, that if you fuck woman 4 times and out of all those fucks JUST ONE was ABSOLUTELY MIND BLOWING - toe curling, and the other three sucked, she will come around just to occasionally catch that ONE GOOD FUCKING. Needless to say he has no issues getting girls.

Alpha male are dominant in life over almost everything they do. This is why “quarter back of the team” bangs cheerleaders. Because football players are usually dominant, they own the game, they strive to win. That’s dominance. If you’re not athlete, learn to be dominant in other aspects of your life.

You can do no wrong. This is pretty selfish thing to think. But a human can do no wrong. Human makes mistakes. A bit zen-ish but think of your life as experience. All the decisions you make are good and sound at that specific moment. However, it might not be good and sound after you suffered the consequences. And as a man you are responsible for ALL your actions, often action of your loved ones too. Guys with kids know exactly what this means.

Always push the envelope! Be bold. Dominant man are bold. They don’t pussyfoot around the bush. You want something get it.

Dominant man says “NO” more often than he says yes.

Your cocky and funny only works when you have dominant frame behind it. When you tease her and neg her out of bitterness and angriness, you may hit on her self esteem and actually manage to get her. But eventually you will run out of ‘juice’ and she will see the true submissive you. So when you tease and play always come out on top. Girls are not competitive and they secretly like when guys put them down. Use common sense.

Treat her like a little kid. I don’t know why but girls love it. Freud would probably mention obsession with father figure. But Freud is a sick fuck.

Give her nicknames. She’s bunny, cutie, kitty, etc. Those are diminishing nicknames that are fun to address her by when you’re being sweet. Be sweet. “How’s my kitty doing today?” is much better than “How’s your day honey?” ; this can get pretty gay, one time my girlfriend and I got carried away with LOLCats.com and the “lol”-speak; embarrassed to admit it, we acted like two 7 year old kids. Petz tahk wif the kittah n bein cutez kan be fuhn! Don’t talk like a retard with her like this all the time, but you can act “ghey” once in a while. Shows your childish nature.

I touch my girlfriends a lot. I don’t touch them in public where other people see, but I discreetly touch her whenever I can. If you catch yourself in empty hallway, make out. Push her against the wall and kiss her. Get her turned on. Girls love being turned on in places they can’t have sex. If I am in the club dancing with her, find a dark spot and finger her inconspicuously.

Send her dirty text messages, and write her naughty fantasy emails. I will actually make a WHOLE thread on dirty talking. I’ve perfected this art

Kissing. Dominant man go in for a kiss and pull out first. Makes her want more. No rocket science here. Don’t use your tongue too much. When making out I almost ALWAYS put my hand behind her head and pull her hair gently. You run your fingers between her hair close to the scalp, and form a fist but don’t yank on it.

Holding. When she’s in your arms she needs to feel safe. If you don’t have big arms you can still make her feel safe. She has to be sinking inside of you and look small in your arms. She can lie on your chest and listen to your heart beat. Pull her in closer. Always pull her in closer.

Compliments. Remember compliment coming from high value person carries high value. If you compliment how good she looks, how amazing she can cook, how fun she is, how funny her stories are you’re promoting her self esteem. You want her to feel confident about herself. Often times when she’s down, sick, having hormonal week, or just having bad week, compliments can make her day, also brings me to:

FLOWERS and small gifts. If you dated more than two months, and you haven’t bought her flowers, go out and get her small bouquet tomorrow! No roses, though. For her birthday she gets roses. I am bad with flowers but some of my natural friends do this and do this right. They send small little flowers to her work place, with “Smile, you big dork!” notes. Send her a card. Stupid shit like this will make her go “awwwww he’s soo sweet”. You’re going for AWW effect. You’re not buying her affection, because, you already have it.

Texting and calling. I think it’s better to spend some time on quality text back-and-forth or a good conversation over the phone than small short texts back and forth through the day. Remember we all have lives outside of our girlfriends. Spend time doing shit you need to be doing instead of talking to her all day.

She is NOT your priority in life. She’s accompanying bonus. She is NOT the one, she’s not ‘the girl you gonna marry’ she’s not ‘love from first sight’ she’s there to accompany you on your life journey. Marriage is not ultimate destination. If you choose monogamy. Marriage is institutional legal agreement.

Her head games are just that. Her head games. There will be times she will test you. She will start playing head games, flirting with boys in front of you, ignoring you, throwing scandals. This is a good sign that you are slipping and your frame is getting weak and she’s losing respect for you. Typically, small little shit tests, here and there, are done to assure her little self that you’re the man she met and you haven’t changed. Typically, small shit tests are cries for attention. Typically, when women get hormonal and feel neglected.

However, when her head games get SERIOUS, you have two choices: pickup yourself and figure out what is slipping. Typically it’s your fault. You’re getting overly jealous, you’re getting clingy, or you’re getting needy. Or second: dump her and find something new. I don’t wanna hear “we dated for 10 years” crap. Maybe 9 of those 10 years were great and last year was miserable. Let’s not make rest of your life miserable. Move on. Most of failing relationships are not salvageable.

Politically incorrect mentality to have:

Some of those are not necessarily serious but take them at least half seriously.

- She’s here to please me
- She’s hot girl and I like her body
- Those tits are for me to hold, grab, bite, lick, suck, etc. Whenever I want.
- My dick belongs in her pussy and her mouth
- She is excited to give me blow job. She gets to suck me off
- She can’t wait to have me inside of her
- I will keep her happy if she keeps me happy first
- She comes to me, for me, and before me.
- In bed her body belongs to me. I can cum on it wherever I want.
- She can’t get enough of my cum to swallow. (I know girls like this)
- Yes, she’s “that kind of girl” and I think it’s hot
- I don’t judge her for her past. Everyone loves getting strange
- There are no whores, sluts, or skanks in this world. Only kinky fantasies
- I never ask permission for ANYTHING
- I come first except in bed
- If I cum first, I’ll make sure to cum again, so she can cum for me
- She cums for me. Her orgasm is for me. It’s her way of thanking me of a good lay
- Sex in public places is not a big deal.
- “If you don’t make it a big deal, it won’t be a big deal” –Savoy
- Girls come and go. They are like colds
- I don’t keep her on the leash. She can always walk away.
- Only three mistakes are allowed. For you and for her
- She wants you to do things to her, not lets you.
- By the time you slip fourth time, she has already slipped and fell on someone else’s dick
- I will take and consider your input, but decision is ultimately up to me
- It’s My Way Or High Way
- I don’t meet you in the middle, you need to come 75%
- The time it takes you to get over her is equivalently proportional to amount of emotional investment you’ve put into her and relationship. ~ Paraphrased Paul Janka

If you think some of those are FUCKED UP, like I said, take them half seriously but I have NO problem telling those beliefs to any girl I meet, date or fuck.

Sense of Entitlement

Dominance is knowing that you have full earthly right to do or act certain way. The more sense of entitlement you posses the more dominant you’ll be. If you feel that you’re entitled to something and you go out and “get it” (well, legally of course) you just showed your determination.

You need to learn how to walk this earth like you entitled to have ANY woman you want. Your smile, your attitude, your eyes, your body language, should convey that you’re here and you’re here to get what you want. Guys like those; you see them in bars and on the street, ooze the dominance. They are true alphas, somewhat intimidating. Be one of them. Take space. Take actions. Don’t “squeeze by”. Parade your way through.

No excuses. Dominant men do not make excuses.

If you came too soon and she didn’t, don’t make excuses “umm well I was tired” and shit like this. You probably are. But you owe her one now. Better fuck her brain out of her next time.

Do not ever apologize for your shortcomings. In your own world you’re perfect. Having a little arrogant attitude, healthy one, will get you far with girls. You don’t need to think you’re the best thing since sliced bread…oh wait, you should.

Books to read:

At your leasure: “The Way of the Superior Man” by David Deida
Definitely get Relationship Management program. It helped me verbalize a lot of things I’ve done naturally. Savoy really has his shit figured out.
Paul Janka – he has a lot of truth in his words. Google him he has several products out as well as some free info.
Mode One – probably one of the best guys to show how to be a real man. I like his style of communication. He’s got some products out
Zen Mack – haven’t heard from him in a while. He has some free videocasts and podcasts. It’s good, a little bit too ‘spiritual’for me.
The Fine Art of Erotic Talk by Bonnie Gabriel
Tucker Max – “I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell” as well as his website. A true “asshole”
“A Complete Assholes Guide to Handling Chicks” by Karl Marks and Dan Indante FUNNY AS HELL
David Shade and Bring out her Inner Slut. It’s an audio program. Good shit, even though I think he’s kinda creepy

Anyways, If I missed something please, tell me!

Credit - TrueStory http://www.theattractionforums.com/best-forum/
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#68

I try let the men be the man...But....

Quote: (01-01-2013 12:50 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Quote: (12-31-2012 12:34 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Mrs. C, why don't you become an au pere and head on over to the DC area. I guarantee you that there are guys here that will tell you just what to do without asking your opinion.

Bottom line is, what actions are you actually going to take to get what you want? My suggestion is date older guys.

Also, just because Mrs. C is the only woman allowed to post here, doesn't really mean she has internalized what we talk about. I think it's a lot harder for women to be self-critical because of their solipsistic nature; it would be an attack on her self.

I will date one if possible and I will post the results. Although I think some 40s men have been acting like 20s, because your life experiences and self conscious growth dictates your maturity.

Mrs. C, I understand you are facing some immature men and lazy men versus good guys.

My advice is learn to filter out men before going on dates, to save time and mental frustration.

For example ask some specific questions that will disqualify them.

I filter out girls that are not interested in sex or romance. So I don't waste my time texting them or calling them....that way I can only focus on girls that are serious about romance.
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#69

I try let the men be the man...But....

Still....

There is NO official book, document or law that determines who is a good guy, bad guy or al...al...al...aww dammit, I'll say it, alpha or be....be...be...aww dammit, I'll say it, beta. All of this sh*t is very subjective and it goes back to whatever work for that INDIVIDUAL guy.
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#70

I try let the men be the man...But....

Quote: (01-01-2013 03:16 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Still....

There is NO official book, document or law that determines who is a good guy, bad guy or al...al...al...aww dammit, I'll say it, alpha or be....be...be...aww dammit, I'll say it, beta. All of this sh*t is very subjective and it goes back to whatever work for that INDIVIDUAL guy.

That is why it is up to her to filter it out.....Only she knows what she wants , and only she can filter out what she wants and not waste her time...
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#71

I try let the men be the man...But....

Quote: (01-01-2013 03:57 PM)jerome Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2013 03:16 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Still....

There is NO official book, document or law that determines who is a good guy, bad guy or al...al...al...aww dammit, I'll say it, alpha or be....be...be...aww dammit, I'll say it, beta. All of this sh*t is very subjective and it goes back to whatever work for that INDIVIDUAL guy.

That is why it is up to her to filter it out.....Only she knows what she wants , and only she can filter out what she wants and not waste her time...

Even filtering guys some features slip in front of you. And by restricting too much you can miss meet someone that you will like(= picking and ageing like a hoarder cat woman) and have no idea that you could because you didn't let yourself doing so. I think there is a difference between what you want and what you need.
I want a less insecure person. But maybe I needed a more patient guy to deal with my anxiety of seeing him making his own decisions and so on. The effect in both cases can be the same, but in the second case, I realize my weakness is in the way too. I am no perfect nor intend to be.
Anyway, despite my flaws, I put something on the table. Too bad and too sad for the ones who doesn't.

Deixa que essa fase é passageira, amanhã será melhor você vai ver a cidade inteira seu samba saber de cor!
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#72

I try let the men be the man...But....

Quote: (12-29-2012 04:21 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

Well I hate the lack of effort. I dress myself, I buy decent undies, hair and nails done. I read books, I watch movies, in order to follow conversations.
And then... You can't pick the damn restaurant ONCE. NOT ALWAYS, ONCE.

How about just saying something to that effect directly to him?

Something like, "I've had a long day of making every decision, I could use someone else to take charge right now and pick something." Then you can also add in the things you don't want to do (allergic, had it for lunch, etc)
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#73

I try let the men be the man...But....

Aside from any personal connections that Roosh has with Mrs. Chocolate, how is she different from other women?

What makes her so special that she is the only woman who is allowed to post here?
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#74

I try let the men be the man...But....

soup, I wonder myself! This thread is a pretty good depiction of some female behaviors people on here claim to despise and see through but magically accept now (name calling, shaming, wanting her cake and eat it, too, "grrrl power" remarks). There is even some whiteknighting in here. Very curious.
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#75

I try let the men be the man...But....

Solomon's Dating Dilemma...

If a woman has to tell you she wants you to be dominant - and you do it - you are still doing what you are told which automatically means that you are not dominant and that you don't "get it".
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