[allgood]

(12-09-2012 02:35 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

You sure they're staring at you and not some better looking guy, standing next to you, or behind you? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, since you claim to have "done modeling", not sure exactly what that constitutes. I know some guys often have an ego and think they are better looking than they really are (I have a good friend, who swears he looks like Brad Pitt and all I can do is ).

Maybe the odd time they're looking at some other guy, but you can tell by looking at the direction they're looking at. I'm not talking about those times. I'm talking about when they're clearly looking at me and showing interest and giving signals that they want to meet me. Let's say there's something wrong with my vision and I can't tell if a girl is looking right at me or not. There are still times when there's no other guy anywhere nearby, and they're looking at me.

If I had a high ego there wouldn't be a problem. Ego gives you the confidence to go up to people and start talking to them without caring about the result.

(12-09-2012 02:35 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Anyway, if you really are that good looking of a guy and girls are eye fucking you, only to turn their backs and not acknowledge your existence, then I'd be willing to wager something else is "off" about you. Maybe you have an effeminate voice, maybe your body language is horrible, your voice cracks, you talk too fast, or you have horrible fashion sense.

I went out in the street twice, during the day, last week. Those times, girls did the following things and more as I walked past them - whistled, stopped in their tracks, poked their friends while sneaking looks at me, said things like "Oh my god, look" to their friend, caught their breath, etc. If they were doing this for negative reasons, I'd pick up on it - it's easy to tell when people think poorly of you and are making fun of you. Anyway, I did nothing because from experience, there would be no results by responding. Girls just like looking but it's meaningless. You need proper game to capitalize on their attention - I'm working on that.

(12-09-2012 02:35 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Since I don't know you and have no idea what you look like or how you act, I can only make vague assumptions. All in all, from everything I read on the forum and other blogs, it sounds like there is a universal trend that women in the U.S. are becoming bitchier and harder to game.

That said, being handsome makes it 10X easier than for guys who are only slightly above average looking or worse. Most of my opinions on the subject are based on what I observe and going off the experiences of my "good looking" guy friends.

My best looking guy friend gets laid a lot and has lots of chicks sweating his nuts, but I will say that objectively speaking his game isn't very good. If most women would rate him an 8.5-9, he could be pulling women of that caliber, but most of this chicks are in the 7.5 to 8 range, so I guess you can say he technically dates down (although the girls are still good looking IMO).

Even though his game isn't tight and he "dates down" dude still gets laid more than 90% of guys in this town and with minimal effort. So you get these good looking guys who whine about dating down and societies expectations of them, but they are still pulling way more hot girls, way EASIER than a man with lessor looks.

It's possible the women are easier where your friend lives than where I've lived and travelled to, so him sitting in a bar and women going home with him simply because they like how he looks even though he has no game could be possible. But they don't do ONS where I'm from pretty much no matter how hard you try.

[Scott]

(12-06-2012 03:42 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Your ethnicity is part of your looks.

I wonder if we can have a serious conversation about this without it devolving into racism trolling.

I am pretty much the tall, blue-eyed and blonde-haired archetype but generally I don't do really well with my blonde female counterparts. However, I tend to absolutely kill it with Asian girls. By 'Asian' I don't mean the flat-chested, 4 foot squawkers of South East Asia, but more towards the Middle-Eastern side of things. With these girls I have to take the approach of a good-looking guy (per the thread title) and simply 'not fuck up'.

I mean, I guess it links into what Roosh wrote about the Danish guy he knew in Brazil who had similar attributes to myself and he killed it out there. The thing is there's quite a few of the girls who are at least semi-Middle Eastern around me who have grown up in the same country, so it makes me wonder if such attractors are in-built and not actually about environmental scarcity.

[lavidaloca]

A bunch of guys are sissies. If you look like a 5. Dress like a 9, go to the gym and make your body a 9. Improve your game. It's not very hard to change your looks. Very few guys I see and go wow that guy will always be lousy looking. Height is important to a degree. This is until you are taller than the girl. After that meh. I wouldn't put much thought into it. If you are 5'4 you can whine about being at a disadvantage. if your 5'9 or 5'10 its ridiculous to complain. 95% of girls are shorter than you. You also can throw on nice shoes that give you a 2-3' boost and voila your 6' looking.

I really couldn't care less if a guy was an 11/10 and he had it easy. The reality is most guys who are truly very good looking work exceptionally hard at it.

[WesternCancer]

So the ambiguity of me being a good looking guy was cleared up today. A model scout came up to me and asked me if I ever considered modelling, gave me her card and got my digits. This concerns me though because I feel like I'm fucking down with some girls I bang just because its way easier. I don't approach a ton. Who knows I've always been completely oblivious to whether or not girls are attracted to me (game has helped this but I'm still also oblivious of my strengths). In highschool one of the hotter asian girls asked me if I had a date for prom. I laughed and said "who the fuck would want to go to prom" I call this sperg game. Maybe I'll be able to bang some models outta this.

[Insignia]

Basically you just show up and girls game you.

[Spike]

(12-06-2012 07:19 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

This is not a troll.

You simply smile in front of a mirror. Snap a photo.

Step two smile infront of a mirror partially intoxicated. Snap a photo.

Step three smile in front of a mirror after a heavy workout. Snap a photo.

Place them on your desktop and find which one is most attractive. Step 4 is to designate which side is most attractive or simply point out missed symmetry. Attractiveness is nothing but the lines and symmetry. No one is perfectly symmetrical so you can fix small pieces.

So, the solution is to work the side of your face when you are in the shower or if you are bored in front of your computer. Do this for a year and your face absolutely will change.

For one, people with long-term good and easy lives have wrinkles on the aides of their eyes due to real smiles. You will also see "laugh" lines on their face.

People sculpt their bodies with years of training. Years. To achieve aesthetics. Your face has many muscles what makes you think you can't change them?

Plastic surgery is nothing but realigning symmetry... Much like everything else it takes years of work, I can show a photo of myself over 5 years, you can "believe" I just got more attractive as I got "older" but really it's a confluence of increased symmetry and looking older.

So with all that given, your face is just a muscle which can gain and lose size... Why can't you make one or the other side more symmetrical?

Westcoast,

Me and others have asked you for any data,studies,links etc etc to proof your above claim. So far nothing.

[OGNorCal707]

I think training your face, or sculpting your face to be more attractive in the sense WestCoast is suggesting is not feasible or realistic. I do think it is plain fact though that people who smile more are more attractive, whereas people who frown or have a scowl expression are less attractive. A nice smile radiates positivity, it projects happiness, confidence, and fun, it also makes an expression that is more welcoming, desirable, and attractive. Frowning and scowling does the opposite of that, it causes the face to constrict, projects negativity, and turns people off. To me this makes sense, but you can take a guy who looks like Steve Buscemi and tell him to make faces in the mirror everyday, and after one year he'll look like Brad Pitt. If you believe that you might as well believe in fairy tales, the easter bunny, and leprechauns at the end of rainbows.

Another thing that is very real are wrinkles caused by facial expressions that has been touched on in a thread from the "lifestyle" section. By frowning, scowling, and gesturing with your eyebrows excessively, you can form deep wrinkles in your forehead over time, which will make you look more aged. I know because I have these wrinkles for those reasons, and while I do everything to counteract the aging process these days, those wrinkles have formed over time since my childhood.

[YoungGunner]

(12-07-2012 05:22 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

More info on the face muscling please. Studies, links, before/after pictures

theres 30 videos in the series

[lavidaloca]

You want to sculpt your face? Lose body fat. When your lean your face will be far better than it will look from any sculpting exercises.

[Tuthmosis]

   

[Magic Bullets]

The last photo appears to be Clark Bartrim, a champion natural bodybuilder who featured in a number of bodybuilding magazines, not completely natural, although he does have a great physique.

[Screwston]

Tuth - You pretty much need that body and have to be at least 6'2 to be considered alpha and pull 8's and up. Everyone else is beta and has no chance

[Magic Bullets]

Funny thing is Clark Bartrim is around 5''8 so that counts him out. I think height depends largely on what circle you are in, ie crowded venues etc. It also depends on ethnicity as well, the world average male height is somewhere between 5''6 and 5''7, being alpha only seems to apply to really big units, that is kind of why the alpha mindset seems short sited, because there will always be someone bigger than you, the reality is being the best self you can be.

[Que enspastic]

my housemate is 6"3 surfer indie type. 1 lay this year from fat chick.

went out with him tonight and chicks just throwing themselvees at him. my 5"6 mate was stunned, just kept approaching girls and funneling them towards him to see if he could pull gimmes.

HE COULDN'T.

somehow he has anti-game.

end of the night he said no girl was interested in him. all he had to do was:

name
what are you doing later tonight?
want to get out of here?

[Que enspastic]

i'm just in shock.

WTF

if i had the reactions he was getting tonight, i'd bang a decent girl every single night with 3/10 game.

it's not fair.

but at the same time it is fair if guys like him are that retarded they still can't pull.

[XY.]

Dude, looks help.. a ton. I use pregnant pauses (with eye contact and sometimes patronizing facial expression) all the time in conversations. It helps her slip into the performer role.

[thegmanifesto]

(12-17-2012 02:48 AM)YoungGunner Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 05:22 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

More info on the face muscling please. Studies, links, before/after pictures

theres 30 videos in the series

Just did this.

Feels Great.

[jimukr104]

My 2cents. Guys spend a lot of time at the gym. That's good butcunlike us,women tend to value face more. That's because Hollywood sells them the image of guys faces with sparkling eyes etc. A girl can have a good body and fugly face and be hot. Burghs guys are screwed.
But it's definitely Hollywood. In Sean Connery early role women didn't like him,until imagecof James bond.
I also know that certain "looks" are in favor based on culture. For example Anglo-Ayran looks predominate Anglo countries. Us Italian-Russian guys get no love here. Even other Italian girls have been brainwashed to like Irish looking guys. Itcsucks. But thank god to the EE girls. They seem to hate Anglo Aryans and like my look. In brooklyn they go batty for me. Brazilian chicks also like me. So I think lOoks are cultural. My features loOk like the new suPerman. But American chicks are afraid of manly guys. My square jaw and chin and deep set eyes intimidate them. But girls frOm alpha cultures like.
My question is what is a guy to do when gaming in America who is white but doesn't have the preferred look.?plastic surgery can't change how you look, just refine features

[Screwston]

^^Are you seriously asking what a white guy who looks like Man of Steel needs to do in America to get white girls?

[jimukr104]

(07-07-2013 01:07 PM)houston Wrote:  

^^Are you seriously asking what a white guy who looks like Man of Steel needs to do in America to get white girls?

lol. i meant typical american chick is looking (or think shes looking) for PRETTY boys. Subconsciously she might want a MAN but society has her looking for guys with softer features. From reading part of it has to do with feminized females seeking more nurturing guys.
This is my experience. European chicks dig me(non anglo) but
anglo chicks always like my blond boyish pretty friends first. Mind you I have been married for 11 years ...so I am going on my experiences from mid twenties with younger gals.But the fact still is anglo women have been shying away from alpha guys for a few decades now. You can google media articles that discuss this.

My question was following up on the other poster in thread who discussed ethnic looks. Being an ethnic white guy ,I don't separate it from being Indian, Asian, etc. In the white race we have many different ethnic looks and some are more mainstreamed than others.So I was repeating, rephrasing that posters question because it was never answered.

[WesternCancer]

dude chicks just say they want the pretty boy because thats what they're told to like. After you fuck them like an animal and they're lying there running their hands through your beastly chest hair they know deep down that refined, but rugged masculinity makes their panties wet.

[Therapsid]

(07-07-2013 02:02 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

My question was following up on the other poster in thread who discussed ethnic looks. Being an ethnic white guy ,I don't separate it from being Indian, Asian, etc. In the white race we have many different ethnic looks and some are more mainstreamed than others.So I was repeating, rephrasing that posters question because it was never answered.

Ethnic white race troll. EWRT.

[jimukr104]

(07-07-2013 02:08 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

dude chicks just say they want the pretty boy because thats what they're told to like. After you fuck them like an animal and they're lying there running their hands through your beastly chest hair they know deep down that refined, but rugged masculinity makes their panties wet.

no argument there. Blame media/hollywood and femi nazis.

[jimukr104]

(07-07-2013 02:16 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 02:02 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

My question was following up on the other poster in thread who discussed ethnic looks. Being an ethnic white guy ,I don't separate it from being Indian, Asian, etc. In the white race we have many different ethnic looks and some are more mainstreamed than others.So I was repeating, rephrasing that posters question because it was never answered.

Ethnic white race troll. EWRT.

Dude, you don't even know what a internet troll is. Troll:who sows discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset people. I have not upset anyone. Stop with the dramatics.You must be a young one... just because you have NOT experienced what I have or have observed only makes you naive at best.... We both have good reputations so lets not hit low eh?
I hoped you weren't trying to get me banned?(Roosh bans trolls). You might be the one who gets banned lol.
Roosh himself has experienced the same exact thing I am talking about. He has traveled and been to countries where his ethnic look has made it more difficult..although he is a Caucasian guy.

[WesternCancer]

I just saw this site. http://www.anaface.com/ Takes a few minutes to get everything right and it spits out an attractiveness rating based on facial symmetry.

I'd say I'm a 6 overall (style + body brings me down a bit).

Do I have game? or am I just following 2 golden rules: 1 be attractive. 2 dont be unattractive.


Heres mine: