[jammer]

Preface: I'm not in this situation


It seems to me a lot of advice on psycho ex's focus on ignoring them and hoping they go away. No contact works on normal girls but I don't think it works on crazy girls. In fact I think it makes the situation worse. It's like pouring gasoline on a fire. Is there any way to get rid of a psycho from your life without her doing damage to you.

[TheMachinist]

Deflect...introduce her to someone else.Preferably nobody your close to.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

I say tackle her psycho head on with yours. I had a buddy in college who had a crazy ex. She wasnt abusive but she wouldnt take no for an answer. Anyway after hearing numerous complaints about her stalking I gave him some advice. I told him to get back with her but just as a ruse. I also told him to act ten times as crazy as she was. Over the next few weeks per my instructions here is what he did. Each weekday he would send a bouquet of flowers, a box of chocolates, & three Hallmark cards to her workplace. Throughout each workday he would call her workphone every hour & send 10 cutesey texts every hour, mostly I love you etc. & so on. On the weekend they would meet Sat & Sun for dates. During their time together on the weekend he would let that beta instinct run wild. His attitude & behavior with her would have made Ted Mosby smile & Roosh have a heart attack. Im talking the works- random complements, always trying to kiss, the list goes on. Come Monday repeat the whole process. It took 1 month for her to go.

[OGNorCal707]

(12-04-2012 07:51 PM)jammer Wrote:  

Preface: I'm not in this situation


It seems to me a lot of advice on psycho ex's focus on ignoring them and hoping they go away. No contact works on normal girls but I don't think it works on crazy girls. In fact I think it makes the situation worse. It's like pouring gasoline on a fire. Is there any way to get rid of a psycho from your life without her doing damage to you.

No I say ignoring her is the best option, it will make her angry, crazy, and "pour gasoline" on the fire at first, but this can only last so long. Eventually, by shunning her and giving her the silent treatment, she will come to realize that you really are over her, and want nothing to do with her.

Maintaining some form of contact with a psycho bitch, just lets her think that you are still interested and will encourage her to continue contacting you. Also, a lot of psycho women, especially if they are beautiful are very manipulative, and can use their attractiveness and sexuality to lure you back in.

Isn't there some say, "crazy in the head, a freak in bed"? I know from personal experiences that sex with a "crazy chick" can be off the wall, it may be easy to continue to submit to your desire to fuck her, which just keeps her around and in the picture, no matter how you try to shake it.

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

^OGNorCal- I think it depends on what scale of crazy the girl actually is. The more violent she is, the bigger a mess you got yourself into and the harder she will be to get rid of. Luckily for my friend, his ex on a scale of crazy from 1 to 10 was about a 4. I say anything from 5 and above they start to become increasingly violent. You have any experience with these types?

[TheMan]

(12-04-2012 09:12 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

I say tackle her psycho head on with yours. I had a buddy in college who had a crazy ex. She wasnt abusive but she wouldnt take no for an answer. Anyway after hearing numerous complaints about her stalking I gave him some advice. I told him to get back with her but just as a ruse. I also told him to act ten times as crazy as she was. Over the next few weeks per my instructions here is what he did. Each weekday he would send a bouquet of flowers, a box of chocolates, & three Hallmark cards to her workplace. Throughout each workday he would call her workphone every hour & send 10 cutesey texts every hour, mostly I love you etc. & so on. On the weekend they would meet Sat & Sun for dates. During their time together on the weekend he would let that beta instinct run wild. His attitude & behavior with her would have made Ted Mosby smile & Roosh have a heart attack. Im talking the works- random complements, always trying to kiss, the list goes on. Come Monday repeat the whole process. It took 1 month for her to go.

Haha, your friend eh?

Seriouly tho this should be saved somewhere as the default unwanted chick repelant strategy:

revert to beta
amplify

So simple and we're all ex fucking pros at it

[Duke Castile]

(12-04-2012 09:12 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

I say tackle her psycho head on with yours. I had a buddy in college who had a crazy ex. She wasnt abusive but she wouldnt take no for an answer. Anyway after hearing numerous complaints about her stalking I gave him some advice. I told him to get back with her but just as a ruse. I also told him to act ten times as crazy as she was. Over the next few weeks per my instructions here is what he did. Each weekday he would send a bouquet of flowers, a box of chocolates, & three Hallmark cards to her workplace. Throughout each workday he would call her workphone every hour & send 10 cutesey texts every hour, mostly I love you etc. & so on. On the weekend they would meet Sat & Sun for dates. During their time together on the weekend he would let that beta instinct run wild. His attitude & behavior with her would have made Ted Mosby smile & Roosh have a heart attack. Im talking the works- random complements, always trying to kiss, the list goes on. Come Monday repeat the whole process. It took 1 month for her to go.

I'd rather ignore her for a month.

[Expert Commander]

(12-04-2012 10:05 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 09:12 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

I say tackle her psycho head on with yours. I had a buddy in college who had a crazy ex. She wasnt abusive but she wouldnt take no for an answer. Anyway after hearing numerous complaints about her stalking I gave him some advice. I told him to get back with her but just as a ruse. I also told him to act ten times as crazy as she was. Over the next few weeks per my instructions here is what he did. Each weekday he would send a bouquet of flowers, a box of chocolates, & three Hallmark cards to her workplace. Throughout each workday he would call her workphone every hour & send 10 cutesey texts every hour, mostly I love you etc. & so on. On the weekend they would meet Sat & Sun for dates. During their time together on the weekend he would let that beta instinct run wild. His attitude & behavior with her would have made Ted Mosby smile & Roosh have a heart attack. Im talking the works- random complements, always trying to kiss, the list goes on. Come Monday repeat the whole process. It took 1 month for her to go.

I'd rather ignore her for a month.

Seriously sounds like a lot of work but I have doubt that this would do the trick. The way to get an American girl to break up with you is to just be really into her. Unfortunately (or fortunately, I am not sure) I am incapable of that.

[Sphere]

(12-04-2012 09:40 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

No I say ignoring her is the best option, it will make her angry, crazy, and "pour gasoline" on the fire at first, but this can only last so long. Eventually, by shunning her and giving her the silent treatment, she will come to realize that you really are over her, and want nothing to do with her.

Maintaining some form of contact with a psycho bitch, just lets her think that you are still interested and will encourage her to continue contacting you. Also, a lot of psycho women, especially if they are beautiful are very manipulative, and can use their attractiveness and sexuality to lure you back in.

Isn't there some say, "crazy in the head, a freak in bed"? I know from personal experiences that sex with a "crazy chick" can be off the wall, it may be easy to continue to submit to your desire to fuck her, which just keeps her around and in the picture, no matter how you try to shake it.

This is all the permission I need to tell my story.

I had been separated from my wife of 22 years for just over a year when I met my current ex. This was pre-Red Pill and I still had the notion that a good man is married. I fell in love. She was, as the philosopher says, "crazy in the head and a freak in bed" although I didn't know about the crazy at the time.

We moved into a very deep, very close relationship much too quickly. We decided to buy a house together. A week before we signed the mortgage we went to the home of a lesbian friend of hers, a comely 50 year old to be sure. At the end of the night I said to my girlfriend that her friend was an interesting, attractive woman. The fight lasted for five hours and it took that long for me to convince her that her accusations that I wanted to sleep with her 50 year old lesbian friend (!) were completely inaccurate. At the time I made an offhand comment that it wasn't 50 year old lesbians that she had to worry about, but 19 year old cheerleaders. I thought she would get the humor in that because I am INVISIBLE to 19 year old cheerleaders. I was wrong.

The rest of our relationship was spent with me reassuring her that I was not cheating on her and that I would not cheat on her. It was the truth and I meant it.

However, in an act of bravado at one point I made the following post on this forum:

Woops

On August 5th of this year she snooped my computer, found that link, sent me a copy-pasta email with my post in it telling me I'm an asshole and that she was moving out and that I had to buy her out of the house immediately. SHE LEFT ME.

OK, fine, I was fed up with her jealousy. It was what lead me to make that post yet I can honestly say that I never would have followed through on it because I was not willing to EVER give her the satisfaction of being right.

It took nearly 4 months for her to stop sending me emails and leaving voice mails and accidentally running into me at coffee shops and concerts for her to leave me the fuck alone. My therapist advised me that the only way to get rid of her would be to not respond. Responding is validation and that's what she wanted most in the world.

My psycho ex has extremely low self esteem due to abandonment issues because her father disappeared when she was 5 years old. I could not fill the hole in her soul and she punished me as though I was her long lost father. Every. God. Damned. Day.

As soon as I gave up trying to convince her to stay (yes, I was THAT GUY) I went scorched earth on the relationship. I unfriended her on Facebook before unfriending all her friends. She remains friends with most of my Facebook friends that she met in real life and it is a sore spot with me like you can't imagine. I had to ask my son directly to unfriend her because she wouldn't do it.

She continued to cross-post on all my friends' threads on Facebook, started following my Twitter account (I don't tweet and there was no way she could have known I even had it, but she was obviously motivated to find it and find it she did), called me occasionally and sent me maudlin emails for months on end. She went so far as to give my best friend a birthday gift to give to me on the occasion of my 50th birthday party. I'm a little miffed at him for agreeing to do so, but he's a nice guy and she caught him off guard. I've forgiven him. Not her.

I saw her at a concert on Friday for the first time since we "accidentally" ran into each other at my local coffee shop a week or two after she left me. We had a moment of congenial greeting at the concert. I told her I missed her and that she had ripped my heart out. She agreed that what she had done was egregious but that I had ripped her heart out too. I reminded her that I had done nothing and that she had read my diary (essentially that's what this forum is; we are all anonymous). She could not see the difference between what I had posted in a moment of bravado and had forgotten and dumping me via email, demanding that I buy her out on short notice in a weak economy and breaking my kids hearts. To her I'm still the bad guy. SHE LEFT ME. And yet, not 30 minutes into the concert she asked me if I had received the birthday present she sent me. Once again, she was trying to re-engage in relationship talk, and I LOST. MY. COOL.

I told her in no uncertain terms that I had trashed it without opening it, that I did not want anything from her, that I hated her with a passion she cannot possibly appreciate and that I never want to see her again. I told her that I had deleted every email she had sent me since she left without reading them, which was mostly true, and that I would continue to do so.

I recovered quickly and enjoyed the rest of the concert with my date and later with some friends who were also there. When I got home at 1 in the morning there it was, voila, an email from her. I deleted it without reading it.

With any luck, calling her a conniving cunt to her face at the top of my lungs will have convinced her that I really don't want to have any more to do with her.

My advice to you is to stay the hell away, ride it out, block her, delete her and do not under any circumstances validate her in any way by acknowledging her presence. Psycho ex girlfriends are women with low self-esteem who think you are the love of their lives because you are the best man who has ever walked into their lives and to have validated their crappy little existences.

Good luck.

P.S. The Red Pill was delicious

[OGNorCal707]

Thanks for sharing Sphere, my situation with my psycho-ex was a bit different, but I can most certainly relate to where you are coming from and feel your pain. Not to play arm chair psychologist here, like I so often do, but I am willing to bet your ex suffered from some form of personality disorder (most likely of the "Cluster B" variety http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorders)


After therapy, reading a couple books, and tons of online research, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that my ex has borderline as well as narcissistic personality disorders.

Like your ex, she was extremely jealous, to the point where is I so much as looked at another girl, or another girl looked at me it could set her off into some form of hysterics. Ironically, she was so jealous and obsessive with me, but if I acted the same way with her, she'd find a way to twist things and turn them around against me, to make me out to be the one who was insecure and had issues.

With these types, the true reality is always lingering below the surface, and this reality is one strange, cruel, fucked up mistress.

Like you Sphere, when I met my ex we "moved into a very deep, very close relationship much too quickly".... I kind of saw some red flags, but I was just swept away by all the excitement, sex, and good emotions I was feeling. This was an absolute gorgeous girl (8 on the scale) who was proclaiming her love for me, wanting to spend all her time with me, it seemed we had so much in common. However, this was all a charade, it was a byproduct of her mental disorder... She was simply figuring me out, my personality, likes, wants, needs, etc., and she was "mirroring" my personality, making me believe that we had so much in common and that we were perfect for each other.

Most relationships with a BPD woman start off extremely quick, and you experience a "honeymoon" phase at the very beginning, (normally around the first 3 months), where everything seems so perfect. You get the sense that you've known each other for much longer, and sadly I hate to admit, but you almost feel like you've met "your soul mate".

From there, there are strange twists. The true person lurking beneath the shiny veneer of the surface, occassionally comes out to rear its ugly head. Before long, the outbursts, attacks, psychological games, etc. start to become a constant.

Like your ex Sphere, mine played a game that I called "subtle psychological sabotage", she'd alternate between putting me on a pedestal and saying I'm the greatest man in the world, and she's never been so in love, to totally trashing me, putting me down, treating me like shit.

I believe that she is a narcissist, but in reality, a lot of her ego is just a mask to cover up the reality that she really does have a very low self esteem, and like you write: I feel that she had a whole in her soul that could not be filled. With my ex, I'd even go as far to say that she has no soul, or a blackhole of a soul, she is such a fucked up, cold calculating person, who feel absolutely no remorse for her actions, or empathy for others.

Sphere, your situation with having bought a house with your psycho ex, sounds really shitty, stressful and fucked up. I feel bad for you on that. I got really fucking burned by my ex, to make a long story short....

Repeatedly lied to, manipulated, cheated on (I later found out), stabbed in the back, she gave me an STD... and to top it all off, got blacked out belligerent drunk one night, started acting like a total fucking bitch... When we got into a *verbal* fight, she went off the deep end and got violent with me... When I tried to restrain her physically, she ran into her kitchen and called 911 on her house phone... About 10 mins. later the cops showed up... About 10 mins after that, I am handcuffed and thrown in the back of a pig car... Arrested for B.S. I didn't even do... Assaulting my GF, who in fact assaulted me... Forced to pay $4,000 in fines, and attend a 52 week domestic violence class... Run by an angry old feminist, who made my life hell for 6 months, accusing me of anger, violence, etc. issues.... Basically, I was a victim of the blue pill and the B.S. laws of this feminized society.

In the end when I did break up with her, it was much like you describe. Constant calls and texts, emails, showing up at my house unannounced, etc. She made every attempt to lure me back in, even succeeding one time, when she acted like she was really sick one night and was crying and begging for me to come check out her. At one point he claimed she was so sick and needed to go to the hospital, but ofcourse when I showed up to check on her, and she seduced me... It must have been my dick in her mouth that treated her... right?

In the end after all the fucked up shit he did to me, I had acted like a good man, a good lover, a man of principle, honesty, etc. She fucking treated me like a piece of toilet paper she wiped her ass with... Even after all the fucked up shit she did to me.... She still acted like the fucking VICTIM... She had the audacity to cry uncontrolably and say how I treated HER like shit, etc. A complete and total byproduct of her BPD, the feeling of being a victim, and fearing abandonment.

In the end, going Amish is the only solution to the crazy bitch!! It may take a couple months, but if you ignore, all their texts, calls, etc. Eventually they will get the message that you don't want to have anything to do with them.

To wrap this up, like you Sphere, to add insult to injury... My EX still goes around town trashing my name to our formerly mutual friends (most all women)... The nature of her mental disorder, makes her take out all her shit on her significant other, while her friends are largely spared of the insanity. She is extremely outgoing, fun, and charming, and therefore her friends all think she is great, but little do they know, of the psycho lingering, below the surface....

[Parlay44]

(12-04-2012 10:03 PM)TheMan Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 09:12 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  

I say tackle her psycho head on with yours. I had a buddy in college who had a crazy ex. She wasnt abusive but she wouldnt take no for an answer. Anyway after hearing numerous complaints about her stalking I gave him some advice. I told him to get back with her but just as a ruse. I also told him to act ten times as crazy as she was. Over the next few weeks per my instructions here is what he did. Each weekday he would send a bouquet of flowers, a box of chocolates, & three Hallmark cards to her workplace. Throughout each workday he would call her workphone every hour & send 10 cutesey texts every hour, mostly I love you etc. & so on. On the weekend they would meet Sat & Sun for dates. During their time together on the weekend he would let that beta instinct run wild. His attitude & behavior with her would have made Ted Mosby smile & Roosh have a heart attack. Im talking the works- random complements, always trying to kiss, the list goes on. Come Monday repeat the whole process. It took 1 month for her to go.

Haha, your friend eh?

Seriouly tho this should be saved somewhere as the default unwanted chick repelant strategy:

revert to beta
amplify

So simple and we're all ex fucking pros at it

Compliment and cuddle. Push for anal every time. That'll learn her

[Sphere]

Christ Jesus, OG you've had it way worse than I did. I feel your pain. Thanks to you also for sharing. It makes my situation much easier to bear knowing someone I respect (yourself) has suffered similarly and that I'm not alone in thinking that, as the philosopher says, 'bitches be crazy'.

Going Amish. You get an "A" just for that.

Deep breath... However:

Bitch sent me yet one more email right after I finished my rant on here and I fucking went OFF on her ass. I had written a well-thought-out quasi-apology for losing my temper at her on Friday but didn't send it because it segued into an attack on her personality. She sent me an email not an hour ago telling me one more time that I'm a psychopath (I'm not dammit, I'm a narcissist) and so I said 'fuck it' and sent her the email anyway. She replied 'Understood. I'll leave you alone" but at that point my blood was up. I have since sent her six or seven very hot very explicit indictments of her character calling her out on everything she did to me and daring her to reply because she's got nothing but crazy to bring. And what do you know, she's going to reply, so she's won because I had her right where I wanted her and I let it go.

Now I can't go full Amish on her because at this point it is a testicular imperative to show her the error of her ways. I'm a fool.

Do as I say and not as I do. Full Amish is the only way to get rid of them.