[avantgarde]

(12-01-2012 08:56 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Bang Ukraine Review:

Bang Ukraine is the quintessential guide for gaming in Ukraine. Every male going to Ukraine looking to meet a girl long term , marriage or for sex has to read this book. I wish I had this book when I was gaming Ukraine a decade ago , maybe I would still be single today.

Roosh writes an accurate history of the industrial shit hole he spent 3 months in. He uses humor in every paragraph. More important, he explains how gaming in Ukraine is different than any place hes been to. He actually had to revise many theories of game. Ukraine is not easy, so do not be left in the dark.

Roosh picked Kharkov , a city that pretty much represents the mentality of girls from the majority of Ukrainian cities , as well as Russian cities. In fact what you learn in this book will cover most large cities in all the FSU. That's 200 million people.

With lines drawn in the sand, Roosh tries and succeeds in gaming girls who are like miners extracting everything they can get from guys. He explains the thought process of the girls and difficulties that he encountered. He also includes geographic logistics of the city , where to drink, club and find an apartment.

At the end of the book under reflection I had to say I agree with majority of his conclusions. I pretty much know the FSU female mentality and I would say he does now as well. In addition after interrogating a female Ukrainian captive , my wife of 10 years, I got confirmation grudgingly that Roosh nailed everything accurately.The only problem is now shes organizing a hit squad. Seems she was a sleeper agent who purpose was to prevent Westerners from banging their women. So you guys better hurry. Congratulations on a job well done.

Dude, 10yrs ago, you need way less game than now considering you are a Westerner. If you wanted to, you could of kept being single. But there is no doubt, have game would help, maybe keeping yourself from being gamed.

[avantgarde]

(12-04-2012 05:13 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Kharkiv is Ukrainian spelling. Kharkov is Russian spelling . They are both correct.

Yeah, Ukrainian is funny, o,e alternate with i depending on the case at the end of the word. For example, світ(light/world)(свет in rus) is cвєта in genitive, ніж(knife)(нож in ru) is ножа in genitive.
So there is more info on east Ukr. than west Ukr. From my experience west Uk feels friendlier and better English than Kiev, then again my stays were really short.

[UgSlayer]

Roosh:
I've read some of your other books. How many bangs did you get in Ukraine?

[Brosemite]

Although this was more of a grinding read than Bang Poland, I'd say this was extremely well written as he gets into 1) Logistics of his base city, 2) Analysis & first impressions of other cities, 3) How each kind of foreigner is perceived here, 4) Trust issues of Ukrainian females, 5) Paint over mentality, 6) Levels of Ukrainian women, and 7) local men in addition to the desired types.

I think the one thing I would've liked to see more of was more detailed reports or increased time spent in the other cities. Especially Lviv as I've heard many mixed things about the place. From what I'm seeing on this forum, Lviv is more like a Belgrade, Serbia in that it's a fun place to party but perhaps hard scene to pull for a ONS. But it would've been nicer to perhaps get more detailed analysis of Kiev or Lviv from Roosh himself. That would probably be the one city I visit in Ukraine being Lviv if I ever went back to neighboring Poland, which is definitely a priority. I can understand why Roosh did leave Ukraine so early for Finland & likely was not in the mood to deal with the same national Ukrainian bs over again spending more time in those other towns.

I'll get around to buying Bang Ukraine later on but being able to read this piece motivated me to also buy/read "Dead Bat in Paraguay" as I also got "Bang Brazil" too for fun. Enjoy this debut week peoples & congrats Roosh!

[east and west]

what time is it that its coming out?

i have been waiting all day. its already 9pm here on friday cant see the link.

[Roosh]

In 12 minutes.

[The Fantasist]

Will you put a link here when it goes live please Roosh. Been searching for it but can't find it.

Looking forward to this one.

[chochemonger1]

(01-11-2013 08:39 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

In 12 minutes.

Roosh, I know you haven`t been to Russia, but do you think Bang Ukraine would help somewhat, for guys gaming girls in Russia? Or are they two completely different beasts?

Either way, I will be buying Bang Ukraine this evening.

[Roosh]

(01-11-2013 09:08 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 08:39 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

In 12 minutes.

Roosh, I know you haven`t been to Russia, but do you think Bang Ukraine would help somewhat, for guys gaming girls in Russia? Or are they two completely different beasts?

Either way, I will be buying Bang Ukraine this evening.

Judging from the reviews in this thread from guys who have been to Russia, it seems like it would be quite helpful.

[avantgarde]

Just bought the book and just read the Bonus. I anticipate the actual book to be quite book. Really like the bonus BTW. I don't think Ukrainian girls are corpses, actually if you spoke decent RUssian or Ukrainian, they are fairly receptive. However, maybe it is hard to open her up before getting intimate with her.
Yo how does aggressive/direct game run on day game?

[WestIndianArchie]

redacted

[Menace]

After the love poem that was Bang Poland, and the Baltic interlude, comes a tale of harshness, confusion, and partial salvation.

By now everyone is familiar with the structure of Roosh's books, so I will not repeat it. Roosh started out as a scientist, and I would argue that he is still a scientist at heart. Instead of studying biology, he studies the means and methods of seducing women of different cultures. It is a form of anthropology no less legitimate than found in any peer reviewed journal. His field work is often thankless. He endures cold weather, cold people, and a country whose language he barely speaks. You can feel the hard lessons coming off the pages of Bang Ukraine. Through his interactions with Ukrainian women, we get a first hand experience of how he formulated the relationship model of Ukrainian women, and he uses his understanding to capture their pussies. You do get the impression that he wishes the women were maybe 5-10% American, because there is never a complete meshing for him.

As always, my favorite part is the stories. In fact I felt a little guilty enjoying them so much because it made me think of all those women who read romance novels. Am I no better than them? No matter. The Danish clockblock story was hilarious. The ultimate question is whether someone who has no plans to visit the Ukraine should buy this book and I believe they should. One of Roosh's revelations for me is that the girls look so great largely by virtue of their makeup. I'm not sure how I feel about women who are not necessarily naturally beautiful even if they are in makeup 23 hours a day and never let you see them without their masks. This book looks like it would be helpful in Russia, as it should quickly help you re-orient yourself away from Western game/thinking.

The last point I want to make is that the book is a great illustration of Roosh's honesty. He struggles and he tells you that he struggles. It's not all unicorns and rainbows. In today's self-serving information dense landscape, it can be difficult to separate truth from PR copy designed to just move units. This is as honest a book as he has ever written. In Roosh you should trust.

[jimukr104]

(01-10-2013 11:23 PM)yb13 Wrote:  

Although this was more of a grinding read than Bang Poland, I'd say this was extremely well written as he gets into 1) Logistics of his base city, 2) Analysis & first impressions of other cities, 3) How each kind of foreigner is perceived here, 4) Trust issues of Ukrainian females, 5) Paint over mentality, 6) Levels of Ukrainian women, and 7) local men in addition to the desired types.

I think the one thing I would've liked to see more of was more detailed reports or increased time spent in the other cities. Especially Lviv as I've heard many mixed things about the place. From what I'm seeing on this forum, Lviv is more like a Belgrade, Serbia in that it's a fun place to party but perhaps hard scene to pull for a ONS. But it would've been nicer to perhaps get more detailed analysis of Kiev or Lviv from Roosh himself. That would probably be the one city I visit in Ukraine being Lviv if I ever went back to neighboring Poland, which is definitely a priority. I can understand why Roosh did leave Ukraine so early for Finland & likely was not in the mood to deal with the same national Ukrainian bs over again spending more time in those other towns.

I'll get around to buying Bang Ukraine later on but being able to read this piece motivated me to also buy/read "Dead Bat in Paraguay" as I also got "Bang Brazil" too for fun. Enjoy this debut week peoples & congrats Roosh!

Lviv is actually conservative. The only stories coming out of that city was Deb and that the made up story. Both fakes. kiev has many data sheets and book would be called BANG KIEV then because writing about Kiev would be like Bang NYC representing USA. DO not know why people always tell Roosh where he should write about. He has no interest in Asians but people tell him to go to Asia.Feel free to travel and write a detailed data sheet about LVIV and Kiev.

[Dan859]

I just read Bang Ukraine and it's great! I'm an ex-pat who's lived in Kiev for several years and I wish I had this book before I moved there! Suffice it to say I made all the mistakes Roosh covered in the book, and a couple more he didn't touch on .

From my point of view, understanding Ukrainian women is crucial. Roosh is absolutely correct when he talks about the mentality of the average Ukrainian girl. This is key to being successful there. If you're thinking about coming to Ukraine, re-read those parts about her mentality until you've got them down cold, then read them again. A Ukrainian girl looking at a foreign guy sees him as an opportunity to improve her life. Her attitude is totally different than Western women and if you don't understand it, she'll do her best to bleed you dry. At least initially, she couldn't care less about you.

Do not try to impress her by spending money on her! Believe me, there's a lot of guys there who have way more money than you do! On any given evening in the summer, you can sit at a cafe on Kreschatik (main street in Kiev) and watch dozens of Mercedes, BMWs, and Lexus' drive by. Then, there's the Rolls Royce's, Ferraris, Lamborghinis and a couple of Bugattis. Guys, if you're not in that league, don't even go there.
Expect the girls to try to game YOU. They're experts at it. Been there, done that. When asked, every Ukrainian girl will say she's looking for a "real man" (настоящий мужчина). It doesn't matter what that means to you, you need to know what that means to her.

A Ukrainian girl will respect a guy she thinks is a real man. If she thinks you're not, she'll gut you like a fish and walk away smiling. She'll interpret kindness as weakness and if she thinks you're weak, you're fair game. You MUST be more assertive. Don't call/text her and ask her what she wants to do. Have a game plan for the date and tell her. At that point, at least initially, she'll usually agree, but she may suggest something else. If she does, it's OK to change your plan, but don't think you need to accept her suggestion. If it's a first or second date, and she suggests an expensive restaurant, she's setting you up.

Again, the book does a great job explaining their mentality and how to use it to your benefit. Unless you've spent time in Eastern Europe or the FSU, throw out everything you've learned about women. It won't work here. Even for a guy who's spent more than 10 years in Eastern Europe/Ukraine/FSU, Bang Ukraine is a great resource and guide. I picked up things and tips in the book that just hadn't clicked or made sense before. If you're coming here, don't just read the book, learn it. Then, take it, adapt it to your own personality, and use it. Otherwise, Ukraine can turn out to be a big disappointment.

Now, having said all this negative stuff, there is another side to things. Once you get past the barriers, Ukrainian girls are extremely feminine and don't have the typical Western feminist attitude. They value their men very highly and will work very hard to make them happy. Once they've decided to sleep with you, they're very open and enthusiastic. They enjoy sex and they want to please their man.

A couple of examples. One night I was talking to the girl I was seeing regularly at the time and we were talking about the differences in how Western women and Ukrainian women view sex. When I told her how a Western girlfriend will withhold sex and use it as leverage against her man, she just didn't understand. Her reply to me was, "But you're a man, you need sex every night! It's bad for your health if you don't have sex regularly. If a girl doesn't want to have sex with her man, he should find another girl who will treat him right.". I kid you not!

Another time, my Dad and Mom came over to visit me. One day, they come to my apartment and my girlfriend was in the kitchen doing the dishes (Yes guys, girls will come right out and tell you they like doing dishes and keeping the apartment clean. Not simply that they see it as their job/role, but that they enjoy doing it!). My Mom starts giving me a bit of grief because I'm not helping. I give her the spiel of cultural differences, my girlfriend doesn't want me in the kitchen when she's washing dishes, etc. My Mom's not buying it. My girlfriend comes into the living room and sits down. My Mom says, "Daniel, you tell Vika that I think it's terrible that she has to do the dishes by herself!" (Vika doesn't speak English). I tell Vika, she says, "Daniel, tell your mother we don't need feminism here. We know exactly how to get what we want from our men.". The look on my Mom's face was priceless.

The second issue is language. Even in Kiev, the number of girls who can actually carry on a conversation in English is very limited. This is a problem, even though it may not seem like it at first. Any girl who speaks decent English has likely spent a fair amount of time with foreigners, probably Brits and Americans. She sees her English skills as another weapon to use against foreign guys. There's two ways to deal with this. First, keep your guard up and deal with her the way Roosh outlines in the book. The second is to learn Russian.

As some other posters have mentioned, there are differences between Russian and Ukrainian. For a foreigner, I strongly suggest you learn Russian. Every Ukrainian knows, understands and speaks Russian. With the exception of a few nationalistic types, speaking Russian is a big plus. A foreigner who speaks any Russian at all beyond "hello", "goodbye", etc. is a novelty, and definitely raises your status in her eyes.

Make no mistake, learning Russian is hard. There's just no getting around it but it pays huge dividends. The book mentions several good options for learning it. How much time you want to invest in it is a personal choice, but you should definitely learn at least something. If you're looking at a long term stay in Ukraine, or any FSU country for that matter, learn some Russian before you go. Once you get there, invest the time and effort in some sort of tutoring or language lessons.

Once you've learned basic Russian, your pool of potential girls goes from maybe 20% of your target population to 100%. I'm at the point now where I don't even date girls who speak any more than basic English. They're just a whole lot tougher to deal with than the girls who don't.
To sum it all up, guys, if you're planning a trip to Ukraine, you need this book! Buy it and learn the lessons in it! It'll be the best investment you can make for your trip! If anybody has any questions about Kiev, restaurants, clubs, things to do, places to go, etc., just PM me, I'd be happy to help.

[BigDave]

I was just in Kharkiv for 4 nights last week. I hit up some of the places Roosh mentions in Bang Ukraine. Radmir was indeed the best I saw in terms of talent, but the one big room where talking game is possible (a big rectangular bar) is indeed too big.

One club that seemed pretty good was Москвич (Moskvich) which is a very trendy club on the main street, Sumska, right next to La Cucaracha. It was pretty bumping on Fri/Sat nights, with a high class clientele, but importantly it has no cover. Drinks were expensive though.

Overall a fun city, I had some girls come and stay with me from another town that I had met before, but had no luck in pulling from the clubs. Kharkiv definitely lacks the one night stand atmosphere you find elsewhere. In the FSU I've only ever see that in Petersburg, Moscow, and Kiev. That is, myself and friends have had many ONS. In Kharkiv it might happen but it's definitely not typical. If you watch the locals leaving a club like Radmir late at night there are very few (if any) guys pulling girls they just met. Out of 500 or more people in the club there might only be a couple pairs like that.

My general conclusion nowadays is that smaller towns (~500,000) are actually more fun because they are more walkable and significantly cheaper, with the same quality girls. Second tier cities in the FSU lack the cosmopolitan atmosphere of the capitals, so I don't see what you gain over an even smaller town. If you have less than two weeks I'd hit up a capital, but if you have more time and want to bag a single (or two) hotties I'd focus on the smaller cities where the pace of life is slower, the girls easier to impress, and the logistics are much easier in terms of transport and apartment cost.

[jimukr104]

(01-13-2013 03:29 PM)BigDave Wrote:  

I was just in Kharkiv for 4 nights last week. I hit up some of the places Roosh mentions in Bang Ukraine. Radmir was indeed the best I saw in terms of talent, but the one big room where talking game is possible (a big rectangular bar) is indeed too big.

One club that seemed pretty good was Москвич (Moskvich) which is a very trendy club on the main street, Sumska, right next to La Cucaracha. It was pretty bumping on Fri/Sat nights, with a high class clientele, but importantly it has no cover. Drinks were expensive though.

Overall a fun city, I had some girls come and stay with me from another town that I had met before, but had no luck in pulling from the clubs. Kharkiv definitely lacks the one night stand atmosphere you find elsewhere. In the FSU I've only ever see that in Petersburg, Moscow, and Kiev. That is, myself and friends have had many ONS. In Kharkiv it might happen but it's definitely not typical. If you watch the locals leaving a club like Radmir late at night there are very few (if any) guys pulling girls they just met. Out of 500 or more people in the club there might only be a couple pairs like that.

My general conclusion nowadays is that smaller towns (~500,000) are actually more fun because they are more walkable and significantly cheaper, with the same quality girls. Second tier cities in the FSU lack the cosmopolitan atmosphere of the capitals, so I don't see what you gain over an even smaller town. If you have less than two weeks I'd hit up a capital, but if you have more time and want to bag a single (or two) hotties I'd focus on the smaller cities where the pace of life is slower, the girls easier to impress, and the logistics are much easier in terms of transport and apartment cost.

I am hearing small cities are indeed not bad in Russia. Problem with small cities in Ukraine is that they can practically be DEAD. The cities only 2 night clubs will get a crowd only 2 nights of the week and those going will often be with dates since it is expensive to go out. You are then left bored 5 out of seven nights eating bad food and no shopping centers to plow though.Then you are stuck dating anyone you meet on numerous dates where you will constantly have to ask questions like, how many siblings you have?etc.. ONS=Kiev

[BigDave]

(01-13-2013 03:55 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I am hearing small cities are indeed not bad in Russia. Problem with small cities in Ukraine is that they can practically be DEAD. The cities only 2 night clubs will get a crowd only 2 nights of the week and those going will often be with dates since it is expensive to go out. You are then left bored 5 out of seven nights eating bad food and no shopping centers to plow though.Then you are stuck dating anyone you meet on numerous dates where you will constantly have to ask questions like, how many siblings you have?etc.. ONS=Kiev

You are correct, but it's important to note that when you say DEAD you are talking about night game. Roosh admits in Bang Ukraine that he gave up on night game after a month or two, and instead just met up with girls he knew or met day gaming or via internet sites.

But yes in smaller cities the big nights are just friday/saturday, even sometimes only saturday. I will say that I have been in some smaller cities in Russia/Ukraine and they have the plus that if there's only 1 or 2 clubs then they have something going on any day of the week. Bigger cities, even Moscow (where I lived 18 months) have the problem where there is no single magnet drawing people during the week, so while night game spots will have a crowd, it's often very tiny during the week.

Anyways, it's a good read, I'm just pretty frugal and found Kharkiv no cheaper than Kiev really, with no benefit compared to a place like Poltava.

[Roosh]

Quote:

One club that seemed pretty good was Москвич (Moskvich)

I got kicked out of there one night.

[The Duke]

(01-13-2013 03:29 PM)BigDave Wrote:  

I was just in Kharkiv for 4 nights last week.

Maybe you went at a bad time? I mean, last week was orthodox christmas. I imagine many students left kharkiv to go back to their hometowns for the holidays.

[avantgarde]

I think you need more than just Russian to game a U, like Roosh said, you need time, logistics, social circle, and good approach to do well.

[jimukr104]

(01-13-2013 07:47 PM)BigDave Wrote:  

(01-13-2013 03:55 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

I am hearing small cities are indeed not bad in Russia. Problem with small cities in Ukraine is that they can practically be DEAD. The cities only 2 night clubs will get a crowd only 2 nights of the week and those going will often be with dates since it is expensive to go out. You are then left bored 5 out of seven nights eating bad food and no shopping centers to plow though.Then you are stuck dating anyone you meet on numerous dates where you will constantly have to ask questions like, how many siblings you have?etc.. ONS=Kiev

You are correct, but it's important to note that when you say DEAD you are talking about night game. Roosh admits in Bang Ukraine that he gave up on night game after a month or two, and instead just met up with girls he knew or met day gaming or via internet sites.

But yes in smaller cities the big nights are just friday/saturday, even sometimes only saturday. I will say that I have been in some smaller cities in Russia/Ukraine and they have the plus that if there's only 1 or 2 clubs then they have something going on any day of the week. Bigger cities, even Moscow (where I lived 18 months) have the problem where there is no single magnet drawing people during the week, so while night game spots will have a crowd, it's often very tiny during the week.

Anyways, it's a good read, I'm just pretty frugal and found Kharkiv no cheaper than Kiev really, with no benefit compared to a place like Poltava.

Actually Roosh gave up because he was in a relationship, he then tried to use social circle(the picnic). In his city day game was not good in his experience. Most have said internet game is a waste time wise.Using sites where majority want locals is time consuming for the amount you get plus lacks quality. I can not comment on Moscow, never been there.However, I lived 2 years in Kiev. There was always a club or happening bar to go to every night of the week. A lot of the expat joints had happy hours, etc. There is also a large pedestrian population walking around. Most cities do not have this.Greek Kamaki and Vorkuta told me the difference is night and day Ukraine vs Russia when in provinces under 1 million.

[Greek kamaki]

I read the book.Roosh struggled there.Lack of knowledge of Russian language made him vulnerable to the mannierisms of Ukrainian women and did not grasp what was going on.Another important issue is that lack of inside culture knowledge prevented him from adopting the simple formulas needed.For example he had the conversation with the Ukrainian girl who liked Denmark.
In her positive predisposition towards Denmark she likely appreciated what Denmark offered over Ukraine that is stability,trust,good income and justice.
Roosh starts talking to her about gender relations in Denmark which is the least in her priorities(at least while she is in Ukraine and sees no advantage in women's position).So roosh words sound weird and empty in her ears.Totally irrelevant.Her mind is absorbed by the values she appreciates.
She takes the mental effort of a man to understand her position for granted.She supposes that every foreigner guy is familiar with the sad state of Ukrainian people.Because Ukrainians are already familiar with that.
So what roosh says does not interest her at all she disregards it and gets this blank stare.

Opposite to that I would reinforce her positive stereotype towards Scandinavia since it might include Greece as well.For example:
Her:My favorite country is Denmark.
Me:I have been to Denmark and you are absolutely right.People there are rich.It is very clean.(opposite to poor,dirty Ukraine).
Her:Oh,I love Denmark.I know a lot about this country.
Me:It is so safe people there move with bicycles.And you see very nice cars.Only prices are expensive.
Her:Ukraine is also expensive.
Me:No doubt.But in Denmark people can pay for quality things.
Herenmark is my dream.
Me:Greece is also good though not so good as Denmark of course.
Her:Tell me,what is the average salary in your country?
Me:It depends on the job.Many people make over 2000 euro per month.
Her:2000 euro is very little.One has to make at least 4000 euro in your country.
Me:You need this amount to live comfortable.
(generally Ukrainian women have a lot of misconceptions about wages realities in the West believing for example that Germans make on average 8000 euro per month etc).

Another negative thing(for Ukraine) which influenced roosh course is the talking providing too many explanations that is the rounded talking.It is obvious when you read the book.Opposite to that in Ukraine one has to use the syncopated talking which leaves explanations aside and is on the point.It is a variation of the Balkan talking on point and leaving much information without saying it because it is considered for granted.It is not the same talk as in Poland where girls overexaggerate and talk and talk.
Let's see for example roosh sentence ''It is funny here that you see an ugly guy with a beautiful girl.In America you don't see that-Really?-Yeah,the opposite.The guy will be Okay looking while his girl is overweight and her face not too pretty.It is common there.If you go to my city you will be approached by guys ten times a day because the girls are ugly.It will be easy for you to find a guy because the girls are ugly.And...''

This sentence becomes in Balkan talking:''Very good looking women in Ukraine but men not so good.''Her:Men here are ugly.And in Greece?''-Me:Greek girls beautiful.-Her:Yes,I know.Me:But I prefer Ukrainian women.-Her:Why?-Me:Greek girls are not very romantic.They want expensive presents.Her:Why are you not married?

Or if I wanted to say that in Greece you see good looking guys with ugly girls:''In Greece often an ugly old guy holds hand of a beautiful girl.Her:Here in Ukraine too.-Me:I know I noticed.Her:Money is important for men.-Me:You are right.Appearance is for women.

Generally you have to cut off sentences,think before you talk,use pauses,and have edgy sharp talking.It is good generally to appear a bit extreme in Ukraine.Roundness,pleasantry is not very much appreciated it is a more primitive culture.So a Balkan guy finds there a natural environment.You also have to use lots of pictures and not be analytical.

[Brosemite]

(01-12-2013 10:13 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 11:23 PM)yb13 Wrote:  

Although this was more of a grinding read than Bang Poland, I'd say this was extremely well written as he gets into 1) Logistics of his base city, 2) Analysis & first impressions of other cities, 3) How each kind of foreigner is perceived here, 4) Trust issues of Ukrainian females, 5) Paint over mentality, 6) Levels of Ukrainian women, and 7) local men in addition to the desired types.

I think the one thing I would've liked to see more of was more detailed reports or increased time spent in the other cities. Especially Lviv as I've heard many mixed things about the place. From what I'm seeing on this forum, Lviv is more like a Belgrade, Serbia in that it's a fun place to party but perhaps hard scene to pull for a ONS. But it would've been nicer to perhaps get more detailed analysis of Kiev or Lviv from Roosh himself. That would probably be the one city I visit in Ukraine being Lviv if I ever went back to neighboring Poland, which is definitely a priority. I can understand why Roosh did leave Ukraine so early for Finland & likely was not in the mood to deal with the same national Ukrainian bs over again spending more time in those other towns.

I'll get around to buying Bang Ukraine later on but being able to read this piece motivated me to also buy/read "Dead Bat in Paraguay" as I also got "Bang Brazil" too for fun. Enjoy this debut week peoples & congrats Roosh!

Lviv is actually conservative. The only stories coming out of that city was Deb and that the made up story. Both fakes. kiev has many data sheets and book would be called BANG KIEV then because writing about Kiev would be like Bang NYC representing USA. DO not know why people always tell Roosh where he should write about. He has no interest in Asians but people tell him to go to Asia.Feel free to travel and write a detailed data sheet about LVIV and Kiev.

Just an observation but really no complaint as it's an excellent read. I just came to expect a few more details about Kiev, Lviv, and perhaps another Ukrainian city after reading the Brazil & Poland books as we got pretty extensive tidbits about other cities outside of Roosh's home base in both countries (Belo Horizonte, Natal, Fortaleza, Vitoria, Sao Paulo in BR with Gdansk, Krakow, and Wroclaw in POL).

If you read the 2nd paragraph I wrote, I acknowledge that he was in a serious relationship and why he chose the route he did in exploring the Ukraine before leaving for Finland. Never was there heavy ranting on my part.

On another note, I ended up buying the book last weekend and will proceed to check out the bonuses (includes more city data) once I get a sec. Thx again for the great release package.

[jimukr104]

(01-20-2013 06:04 PM)yb13 Wrote:  

(01-12-2013 10:13 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 11:23 PM)yb13 Wrote:  

Although this was more of a grinding read than Bang Poland, I'd say this was extremely well written as he gets into 1) Logistics of his base city, 2) Analysis & first impressions of other cities, 3) How each kind of foreigner is perceived here, 4) Trust issues of Ukrainian females, 5) Paint over mentality, 6) Levels of Ukrainian women, and 7) local men in addition to the desired types.

I think the one thing I would've liked to see more of was more detailed reports or increased time spent in the other cities. Especially Lviv as I've heard many mixed things about the place. From what I'm seeing on this forum, Lviv is more like a Belgrade, Serbia in that it's a fun place to party but perhaps hard scene to pull for a ONS. But it would've been nicer to perhaps get more detailed analysis of Kiev or Lviv from Roosh himself. That would probably be the one city I visit in Ukraine being Lviv if I ever went back to neighboring Poland, which is definitely a priority. I can understand why Roosh did leave Ukraine so early for Finland & likely was not in the mood to deal with the same national Ukrainian bs over again spending more time in those other towns.

I'll get around to buying Bang Ukraine later on but being able to read this piece motivated me to also buy/read "Dead Bat in Paraguay" as I also got "Bang Brazil" too for fun. Enjoy this debut week peoples & congrats Roosh!

Lviv is actually conservative. The only stories coming out of that city was Deb and that the made up story. Both fakes. kiev has many data sheets and book would be called BANG KIEV then because writing about Kiev would be like Bang NYC representing USA. DO not know why people always tell Roosh where he should write about. He has no interest in Asians but people tell him to go to Asia.Feel free to travel and write a detailed data sheet about LVIV and Kiev.

Just an observation but really no complaint as it's an excellent read. I just came to expect a few more details about Kiev, Lviv, and perhaps another Ukrainian city after reading the Brazil & Poland books as we got pretty extensive tidbits about other cities outside of Roosh's home base in both countries (Belo Horizonte, Natal, Fortaleza, Vitoria, Sao Paulo in BR with Gdansk, Krakow, and Wroclaw in POL).

If you read the 2nd paragraph I wrote, I acknowledge that he was in a serious relationship and why he chose the route he did in exploring the Ukraine before leaving for Finland. No need to go off on a rant as I clearly didn't.

On another note, I ended up buying the book last weekend and will proceed to check out the bonuses (includes more city data) once I get a sec. Thx again for the great release package.

Sorry ,no rant from me. Its not you. Often, more on his blog people always telling him where to go.

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(01-20-2013 06:12 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 06:04 PM)yb13 Wrote:  

(01-12-2013 10:13 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 11:23 PM)yb13 Wrote:  

Although this was more of a grinding read than Bang Poland, I'd say this was extremely well written as he gets into 1) Logistics of his base city, 2) Analysis & first impressions of other cities, 3) How each kind of foreigner is perceived here, 4) Trust issues of Ukrainian females, 5) Paint over mentality, 6) Levels of Ukrainian women, and 7) local men in addition to the desired types.

I think the one thing I would've liked to see more of was more detailed reports or increased time spent in the other cities. Especially Lviv as I've heard many mixed things about the place. From what I'm seeing on this forum, Lviv is more like a Belgrade, Serbia in that it's a fun place to party but perhaps hard scene to pull for a ONS. But it would've been nicer to perhaps get more detailed analysis of Kiev or Lviv from Roosh himself. That would probably be the one city I visit in Ukraine being Lviv if I ever went back to neighboring Poland, which is definitely a priority. I can understand why Roosh did leave Ukraine so early for Finland & likely was not in the mood to deal with the same national Ukrainian bs over again spending more time in those other towns.

I'll get around to buying Bang Ukraine later on but being able to read this piece motivated me to also buy/read "Dead Bat in Paraguay" as I also got "Bang Brazil" too for fun. Enjoy this debut week peoples & congrats Roosh!

Lviv is actually conservative. The only stories coming out of that city was Deb and that the made up story. Both fakes. kiev has many data sheets and book would be called BANG KIEV then because writing about Kiev would be like Bang NYC representing USA. DO not know why people always tell Roosh where he should write about. He has no interest in Asians but people tell him to go to Asia.Feel free to travel and write a detailed data sheet about LVIV and Kiev.

Just an observation but really no complaint as it's an excellent read. I just came to expect a few more details about Kiev, Lviv, and perhaps another Ukrainian city after reading the Brazil & Poland books as we got pretty extensive tidbits about other cities outside of Roosh's home base in both countries (Belo Horizonte, Natal, Fortaleza, Vitoria, Sao Paulo in BR with Gdansk, Krakow, and Wroclaw in POL).

If you read the 2nd paragraph I wrote, I acknowledge that he was in a serious relationship and why he chose the route he did in exploring the Ukraine before leaving for Finland. No need to go off on a rant as I clearly didn't.

On another note, I ended up buying the book last weekend and will proceed to check out the bonuses (includes more city data) once I get a sec. Thx again for the great release package.

Sorry ,no rant from me. Its not you. Often, more on his blog people always telling him where to go.

All good hommes. For experimental purposes, I always like reading about Roosh's experiences in some destinations & seeing how it compares with that of other forum members as I value all insight.