[TheMachinist]

(11-30-2012 02:07 PM)wiscanada Wrote:  

A few years ago I figured out that, for me, any rage or slut hate that I experience in my own life is really directed at myself. Its projection. I get pissed or angry or disgusted in my abilities not to read signals before they happen, or I'm pissed that I let myself get deceived.

Here was my clue, I've felt the same way if I my perceptions were thrown under the bus and I confronted the reality of being worked over in terms of money, girls or family its not a girl specific thing for me.

Stripper case in point. I wouldn't be mad if I brought a stripper home from the club and found out what she was sleeping with 17 other guys. That fits my frame of perception for a stipper and I'd fully expect to discover that. However if I thought I met a nice girl with a conservative attitutde and she turned out to be sleeping with 17 other guys I'd be pissed, pissed of that I didn't catch the deception and let myself get fooled.

For me, after improving myself and moderating my expectations I don't find myself raging against sluts as often. If they want to spend all of their social capital by age 23, their choice, they can live with the results.

I agree with this.
It's more about feeling like a fool for not recognizing the signs then it is anything else.I don't mind sluts as long as their str8 up about who and what they are.I'd even go so far as to say I could love a slut as long as I knew BEFORE HAND what she really is.

[Samseau]

(11-30-2012 01:54 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 01:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:45 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:36 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:28 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Please dude

Please what?

The dude hooks up with a freaky chick, goes thru her phone, finds out she gets laid and now should feel like a chump or be disgusted? Get "tested heavily?"

I don't know what planet some of you are living on but I've been doing/seeing this for 30 years on a daily or weekly basis.

I think Wald is being sensible. Fucking an extreme whore such as one who juggles 4 different cocks at once is a walking petri dish.


I think all girls are whores, but even the girls I bang don't usually juggle 4 dudes at once. That's a lot of cock, much more than the average skank.

You're not in Cali or Florida either. When I lived in CT we knew every single thing everyone did or does for the most part and people didn't move out of their circles much or some at all ever.

Where I'm from no one has any idea of who is sleeping with whom.

[el mechanico]

(11-30-2012 02:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 01:54 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 01:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:45 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:36 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

Please what?

The dude hooks up with a freaky chick, goes thru her phone, finds out she gets laid and now should feel like a chump or be disgusted? Get "tested heavily?"

I don't know what planet some of you are living on but I've been doing/seeing this for 30 years on a daily or weekly basis.

I think Wald is being sensible. Fucking an extreme whore such as one who juggles 4 different cocks at once is a walking petri dish.


I think all girls are whores, but even the girls I bang don't usually juggle 4 dudes at once. That's a lot of cock, much more than the average skank.

You're not in Cali or Florida either. When I lived in CT we knew every single thing everyone did or does for the most part and people didn't move out of their circles much or some at all ever.

Where I'm from no one has any idea of who is sleep with whom.

Maybe but it's still different on the large scale in those two states

[Walderschmidt]

(11-30-2012 12:45 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:36 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:28 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Please dude

Please what?

The dude hooks up with a freaky chick, goes thru her phone, finds out she gets laid and now should feel like a chump or be disgusted? Get "tested heavily?"

I don't know what planet some of you are living on but I've been doing/seeing this for 30 years on a daily or weekly basis.

My point was that if she is getting laid by 4 guys, Slubu probably could have fucked her on the first date.

If I was in his position - I imagine I'd wonder if my game was off.

As for the planet I'm living on - I'm still relatively new to the game. Seeing or hearing girls fuck 4 guys at once is not normal for me except for on this forum or in porn. It is not as normal for me to see as it is for you.

I could care less if some random broad I don't know was sleeping with more than four guys - but if I was fucking her - I wouldn't like it
regardless of how much I liked her or didn't. I know I've got long way to go in game - but dude - gimme a break here.

Wald

[el mechanico]

(11-30-2012 02:37 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:45 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:36 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:28 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Please dude

Please what?

The dude hooks up with a freaky chick, goes thru her phone, finds out she gets laid and now should feel like a chump or be disgusted? Get "tested heavily?"

I don't know what planet some of you are living on but I've been doing/seeing this for 30 years on a daily or weekly basis.

My point was that if she is getting laid by 4 guys, Slubu probably could have fucked her on the first date.

If I was in his position - I imagine I'd wonder if my game was off.

As for the planet I'm living on - I'm still relatively new to the game. Seeing or hearing girls fuck 4 guys at once is not normal for me except for on this forum or in porn. It is not as normal for me to see as it is for you.

I could care less if some random broad I don't know was sleeping with more than four guys - but if I was fucking her - I wouldn't like it
regardless of how much I liked her or didn't. I know I've got long way to go in game - but dude - gimme a break here.

Wald

Fair enough. One more thing though..Girls keep or follow dudes they like to fuck for life pretty much

[Giovonny]

I love this fucking thread! I have learned alot.

I have always wanted to know the following things...

1) Is a slutty women worse then a slutty man? Is there a double standard?

2) Are all women whores?

Because of this thread, I have reversed my position on one of these questions and I finally have a firm answer for the other.

Before I get to that, a few more reactions from the thread:

(11-29-2012 06:03 PM)slubu Wrote:  

I may still try to be a dick and push for a 3some, what do I have to lose.

Yes! Now you got the right idea player!!

She is a slut so react accordingly, push for a threesome, make homemade porn, fulfill all your kinkiest desires! Enjoy her for what she is!

(And, not sure why you think doing this would make you a dick???)(Giving a slut some dick does not make you a dick!)

(11-29-2012 06:24 PM)slubu Wrote:  

Just a bit ticked at myself for almost getting to the point of treating her like a semi-gf.

Don't be. You are a young playboy at the end of his rookie year. This was a valuable lesson for you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Okay, now to the the 2 big questions that I have been pondering and that this thread has really helped me to understand:

1) The Double Standard Issue:

I used to think it was a double standard. Why should I get mad at a women for doing the exact same thing I do? But, after reading this thread, I realize that there is not a double standard, there are literally 2 different standards, one for men and one for women. Thanks guys! I've been thinking about that for years! Case closed!

2) Are All Women Whores?

My grandma was only with one man her whole life (allegedly). I've known alot of traditional, religious, and conservative type women who were really prudish. They were not easy to bang. They would not easily cheat on there bf, they were marriage minded. A work with a few of them now. Because of this I have always suspected that not all women are whores. Based on my experience and research, I would say about 55% are whores and 45% are not. This is based on my interactions with hundreds maybe thousands of women.

Shit, I know guys who aren't very sexual. So, if there are guys who aren't very sexual, I know there are also girls who aren't very sexual.

Then, Roosh comes into this thread and posts this..

(11-29-2012 09:53 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There are too many girls out there who don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time

If Roosh himself is saying that there are alot of girls who - "don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time". Well, thats all I need to hear. He is the guy who would know!

Case closed!

Not all women are sluts!

Another lesson: If you want to find a girl who is not a slut, go to a culture that celebrates and practices more conservative values. Girls from the USA are likely to be sluts because we celebrate sluts. We are a slutty culture. We produce sluts!

[cellblock4]

(11-29-2012 09:53 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There's a lot of guys here that will say it shouldn't matter who she fucks and that if she's giving you good sex then enjoy it and so on as long as you don't wife her up. In theory I have no problem with that point of view, but in reality I just don't feel comfortable banging a girl who is banging other guys. You can call that beta or traditional or whatever, but my dick goes soft if I know she's getting slammed by other dicks and taking them in her mouth.

There are too many girls out there who don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time that I find it absolutely unnecessary to share a girl.

this....

[slubu]

I think maybe my thread title was poorly worded and misled a lot of you? So let me sum it up this way:

- I am not upset at her for fucking 4 different guys concurrently. If I met her at a bar, and she told me this I'd be a bit put off but wouldn't tell her to stop, that's her choice.
- I am upset at myself for overlooking some tell tale signs, and letting my guard down
- I understand objectively I should be able to move forward, and I may try to do so
- However subjectively I couldn't even fuck her the next morning. To me, after coming across as someone who was putting forth effort on an LTR basis (cooked for me, hinted at getting away for a weekend, etc.) I didn't see her in the same light.
- Whereas before I had a value for her of positive X, her value to me is now 0 (credit to thedude's analysis)

I really think wiscanada hit it on the head. If for example this was a stripper I pulled from a strip club, then yes obviously this was expected. But given her appearance and some actions she put forth, this was not expected. And I blame myself for that, and NOT her. Per wiscanada above "If they want to spend all of their social capital by age 23, their choice, they can live with the results."

[Dr. Howard]

(11-30-2012 02:39 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 02:37 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:45 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:36 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 12:28 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Please dude

Please what?

The dude hooks up with a freaky chick, goes thru her phone, finds out she gets laid and now should feel like a chump or be disgusted? Get "tested heavily?"

I don't know what planet some of you are living on but I've been doing/seeing this for 30 years on a daily or weekly basis.

My point was that if she is getting laid by 4 guys, Slubu probably could have fucked her on the first date.

If I was in his position - I imagine I'd wonder if my game was off.

As for the planet I'm living on - I'm still relatively new to the game. Seeing or hearing girls fuck 4 guys at once is not normal for me except for on this forum or in porn. It is not as normal for me to see as it is for you.

I could care less if some random broad I don't know was sleeping with more than four guys - but if I was fucking her - I wouldn't like it
regardless of how much I liked her or didn't. I know I've got long way to go in game - but dude - gimme a break here.

Wald

Fair enough. One more thing though..Girls keep or follow dudes they like to fuck for life pretty much

Agreed, this is something that raises flags for me when a girl is single, late 20s/early 30s and still resides in the same city she blew her younger years in. Those above dudes are just a text, fb pm or email away. They've rejected her at some point and just a bit of interest from that guy and they will come running for validation. Be wary.

[kenny_powers]

GIO - Perfect advice to Slubu and you nailed the topic man. I'm mid 30's and have been swimming with sluts non-stop since I was 17. I have found a few "quality" women that I have LTR'd. They do exist.

Another point to consider is that it's our duty to bring out that inner slut - no matter what type of girl. Even if she is going to "slut out" only once in her life - be that guy that closes her on the first or second date. It's who we are and what we do. I got a date tonight, I'm hoping she is a slut! If not, I'm going to treat her like one anyway.

[TheMachinist]

I think there is an age where you can catch them pre/slut...and that age is right around high school graduation. If they make it to college and beyond without getting wifed up it's a done deal...She's more than likely gone full slut at least once in her life.There are some exceptions but for the most part I think the above statement holds true.And women ARE held to a different standard.Their the ones that bare the responsibilty of carrying child...I for one DO NOT wanna catch a kid by a women who's womb has been poluted by the seed of multiple men.Call me old fashion but it is what it is.It goes back to giving up the best parts of herself to relative strangers and then giving the leftovers to the man she's supposed to "happily everafter"...FUCK THAT.

[snoop]

(11-30-2012 01:40 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

If we have the view that women exist for our sexual pleasure why should we care what she does with other guys. The only concern we should have is sexual health.

the obvious answer is b/c not everyone has that as their view towards women

[slubu]

[Samseau]

(11-30-2012 03:10 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 09:53 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There are too many girls out there who don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time

If Roosh himself is saying that there are alot of girls who - "don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time". Well, thats all I need to hear. He is the guy who would know!

Case closed!

Not all women are sluts!

Whoa whoa whoa, hold the phone there... just because she's not a ultra slut doesn't mean she's not a regular slut.

Banging 4 dudes at once is an extreme degree of sluttiness that tops partner counts of most gay men. It is NOT normal womanly behavior.


A woman who fucks more 4 dudes in a year is pretty skanky in my book.

If she fucks more than 8 in a year she is a bona-fide SLUT.

That said, just because she's a slut doesn't mean she can't be monogamous for a period of time (if only 2-4 months). Most women prefer to be monogamous with a man they're into, even if they are a cockdozer in the interim.

[sucio44]

(11-29-2012 09:53 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There's a lot of guys here that will say it shouldn't matter who she fucks and that if she's giving you good sex then enjoy it and so on as long as you don't wife her up. In theory I have no problem with that point of view, but in reality I just don't feel comfortable banging a girl who is banging other guys. You can call that beta or traditional or whatever, but my dick goes soft if I know she's getting slammed by other dicks and taking them in her mouth.

There are too many girls out there who don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time that I find it absolutely unnecessary to share a girl.

But how does a guy really know she doesn't bang multiple dudes? Do you guys ask? Or just go by the general signs--boozing, tats, friends?

[kerouac]

(11-30-2012 03:57 PM)slubu Wrote:  

To me, after coming across as someone who was putting forth effort on an LTR basis (cooked for me, hinted at getting away for a weekend, etc.) I didn't see her in the same light.

I don't know if this is some information that one can use to generalize art school bitches, but for the most part, a lot of art school bitches go into art because of their philosophical leanings (particularly in regards to their views on feminism etc) and they use art as their mode of expression.

What I've experienced by getting to know them, they seem to be on the cutting edge of feminist ideology.

How this relates to your situation, I think, is that the chick could be a big time manipulator (see Neil LaBute's The Shape Of Things to get an idea of art school girl manipulators) and she is using you guys to express her "power" in some twisted way.

A lot of these girls look at the male sexual archetypes, who conquer many women, and want to reverse that and do it from the female perspective.

I'm not sure whether your conversations with her have dabbled into feminism, but I'd be curious to hear her perspective on that kind of stuff, because I think that could give you a better understanding to why she plays off such a feminine character but in turn uses it to conquer men.

[OGNorCal707]

(11-30-2012 05:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

A woman who fucks more 4 dudes in a year is pretty skanky in my book.

If she fucks more than 8 in a year she is a bona-fide SLUT.

I hate to break it to you, but according to your standards, I'd say about 60% of American women between the ages of 18-30 would qualify as "skanky". I have no basis for coming up with this, but I'd guess most (attractive) single women, especially in big cities are fucking at a minimum 5 dudes a year, probably more like 10. Sure there are probably lots of women out there who are monogomous or prefer to date a guy rather than ride the cock carosel with "FWB" and "FB" situations.

I say that it's just the nature of modern feminism and the natural hypergamy in women, that has combined to create a sort of nouveau social/cultural monster where women feel that they have a free pass to behave polygamously as if they were alpha males. Add onto it facebook, okc, instagram, smart phones, etc. and they options for an attractive single woman are endless.

She feels entitled as a beautiful special snowflake to date as many guys as she wants, and the more guys in her orbit, the greater her validation, and the feeding of her fragile ego, and filling her need to feel desired, wanted, and special.

They rationalize that men can do this, have done this, so why can't they. The terms of the modern sexual culture, make it harder for men to demand exclusivity, and monogomy from their women. Often times when you are fucking a new chick the first several weeks if not months are stuck in a grey area, where the terms of your relationship are not solidly defined. It's not clear whether there is implied exclusivity or not, if you are a pussy hungry guy who doesn't have other regular options, you may not want to even press the issue or inquire about other men.

It truly can be a strange situation sometimes where you want to know her deal with other guys, but if you find out she's fucking 3 other dudes, your natural inherit instinct as a man will be to feel a bit disgusted and turned off. However, myself admitedly at times and with a lot of guys I know, we'll sometime revel in the concept that ignorance is bliss, if you don't know that she's seeing other guys, than it won't impede the wild sex you're getting at the moment.

This isn't even scratching the surface of manipulative and shady bitches, who maintain a main relationship with a boyfriend, while going out and fucking other dudes on the side. I have reason to believe that cheating is increasing at a great rate in our culture, and women often are way more adapt at being able to cheat. For centuries in human history men have gone to great lengths to keep their women protected, and distance them from other potential rival male lovers. I believe that it is an inherent trait in men to want some level of ownership over their women, which entails having sex with just him, and him alone. The modern conditions of womens' sexuality in western culture, and the sexual marketplace, make it much harder for men to achieve this.

[Basil Ransom]

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with feeling a sense of disgust at whoredom. Having convictions isn't weak. Even if she was a stripper. It seems like a lot of guys here have a running 'alpha calculator' in their head - they're constantly wondering 'Does this make me more or less alpha?' Anything that just might score them more pussy is righteous, and anything that doesn't is evil. And that becomes their moral compass to the exclusion of any moral, ethical, philosophical or aesthetic concerns. Some are even insulted by the insinuation of a 'double standard' because they feel their own way of life is coming under fire.

(11-29-2012 09:18 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 09:11 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

You either didn't understand the study or you're pussyfooting around the conclusion. The study is saying (and its the standard evo psych explanation) that men beat their mates to stymie adultery. And this beating is most likely when the female is attractive and fertile.

Which part of

Quote:

It seems that it is a shared part of primate nature to show anger and keep sluts in check.

pussyfoots around the conclusion?

Yes, 'showing anger' is deliberately vague. It can mean shouting, punching a wall, throwing things... Plenty of things that don't involve beating a woman. I say, if you're going to say something, spell it out, and leave no doubt as to what you're talking about.

[poutsara]

(11-30-2012 06:16 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

[quote='Samseau' pid='317947' dateline='1354315698']
...
This isn't even scratching the surface of manipulative and shady bitches, who maintain a main relationship with a boyfriend, while going out and fucking other dudes on the side. I have reason to believe that cheating is increasing at a great rate in our culture, and women often are way more adapt at being able to cheat. For centuries in human history men have gone to great lengths to keep their women protected, and distance them from other potential rival male lovers. I believe that it is an inherent trait in men to want some level of ownership over their women, which entails having sex with just him, and him alone. ..

Truth.

[Basil Ransom]

(11-30-2012 05:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 03:10 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 09:53 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There are too many girls out there who don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time

If Roosh himself is saying that there are alot of girls who - "don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time". Well, thats all I need to hear. He is the guy who would know!

Case closed!

Not all women are sluts!

Whoa whoa whoa, hold the phone there... just because she's not a ultra slut doesn't mean she's not a regular slut.

Banging 4 dudes at once is an extreme degree of sluttiness that tops partner counts of most gay men. It is NOT normal womanly behavior.


A woman who fucks more 4 dudes in a year is pretty skanky in my book.

If she fucks more than 8 in a year she is a bona-fide SLUT.

That said, just because she's a slut doesn't mean she can't be monogamous for a period of time (if only 2-4 months). Most women prefer to be monogamous with a man they're into, even if they are a cockdozer in the interim.

Your definition of a slut, like most, is highly arbitrary. In a sense, that may be inescapable, because a 'slut' often just means a girl markedly more promiscuous than her peers. And you're describing what promiscuous means by some internal reference of yours. In one subculture, a slut could mean a girl who has kissed an unattached man when none of her peers are even touching men. In another, a girl who has sex with several men a year is not a slut.

So should the definition of a slut be absolute or relative? Personally, I say it should be at least partially absolute, because the slut has certain essential qualities that come with fucking several men. So even if a girl is not a slut by the standards of her milieu (eg, she's below average in promiscuity), she is a slut in terms of her character.

My minimal definition of a slut is a woman who has sex with a man before securing long term exclusive commitment from him.

A girl has one night stands? Slut.
A girl has sex with men she's 'dating' but aren't her boyfriend? Slut.

I could probably flesh this out quite a bit, but the gist of it is that when a woman routinely has sex without requiring any meaningful commitment from the man, she changes the way she behaves.

Consider the act of acquiring a car. The 'prude' is like someone who needs a car, but can bide their time until they get one. They have saved up enough money to buy it outright, and plan to keep it for a very long time, until the car dies even. They are going to be very discriminating in the kind of car they choose, though they must also stay within their budget. She won't jettison her car at the first sign of trouble, because she's in it for the long haul.

The slut is like someone who needs to rent a car for a couple days, right now. She isn't willing to wait, and because the car is temporary, she doesn't expend much effort in picking the right one. She can indulge herself a little, and rent a car that's out of her price range for a little bit. But she can't do that for long, else she'll go broke. She may even end up dissatisfied for that reason, because she got a taste of a Jaguar but has to go back to the Hondas inevitably, or even a bicycle because she blew her wad. At the first sign of trouble, she rents a different car. She has little tolerance for any failures on the part of her rental car. Meanwhile, the car buyer has to be very prudent about what she can afford. The renter doesn't much care about damaging her car (eg, suckering a man out of his money) while the car buyer is careful, as she feels their fates are tied (eg in a marriage, wasting his money is wasting your own).

And these changes come about when a woman goes from the 'buying' mindset to a 'renting' mindset, i.e. she starts having sex without securing meaningful commitment first. Having sex with X number of men per year or in her lifetime doesn't capture this.

[Neo]

You're reaction is completely natural. If I found out the girl I was banging was taking 4 dicks at once, I'd be upset and disgusted at her and myself. There is no issue with your response whatsoever and in fact I believe most normal men would have this reaction.

With that said the signs to her super slutty ways would have been crystal clear to me nearly immediately. Threesomes, doing coke, gives good head, the 'push for service' tatoo(this is a name me and my friends gave the type of tattoo you describe), it's pretty obvious.

I'm on this forum and I find nothing wrong with sleeping with a girl like this obviously. Many times I target sluts myself. Thing is I never get into any type of 'relationship' unless it's her coming over to bang.

IME not all women are sluts. I hear the argument that for 'the right guy' every girl is a slut, but it's impossible to test this theory. Sluts and good girls give off different tells, I can't explain it through text very well, but they just have different body language, vibes, mannerisms, and behavioral patterns. Then you can build on that initial impression to see if you're right or wrong. While some guys say that the ease of getting her into bed is some kind of predictor of sluttiness I disagree.

For example, a girl who is somewhat straight edge(will drink occasionally doesn't smoke or do drugs), has parents who are still married, has a solid family structure, is a bit on the reserved/shy side, doesn't go out much, seems to date the same guy for many years, doesn't have a smartphone, and has a good character is probably not a slut.

You can probably go months without finding a girl like that, but I'm sure they're out there.

[tenderman100]

(11-29-2012 09:53 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There's a lot of guys here that will say it shouldn't matter who she fucks and that if she's giving you good sex then enjoy it and so on as long as you don't wife her up. In theory I have no problem with that point of view, but in reality I just don't feel comfortable banging a girl who is banging other guys. You can call that beta or traditional or whatever, but my dick goes soft if I know she's getting slammed by other dicks and taking them in her mouth.

There are too many girls out there who don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time that I find it absolutely unnecessary to share a girl.

I used to think this way, but I don't now that I bang married women almost exclusively.

One woman in my rotation still fucks her husband, but as she put it "it's obligatory." He comes in a minute. He never comes in her mouth. She never sucks him. She never kisses him.

It doesn't bother me. Because when I fuck her, I fucking FUCK her. No one else is really FUCKING her. The minute she puts her tongue down my throat I am at attention and ready to deliver.

[poutsara]

(11-30-2012 10:43 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 09:53 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There's a lot of guys here that will say it shouldn't matter who she fucks and that if she's giving you good sex then enjoy it and so on as long as you don't wife her up. In theory I have no problem with that point of view, but in reality I just don't feel comfortable banging a girl who is banging other guys. You can call that beta or traditional or whatever, but my dick goes soft if I know she's getting slammed by other dicks and taking them in her mouth.

There are too many girls out there who don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time that I find it absolutely unnecessary to share a girl.

I used to think this way, but I don't now that I bang married women almost exclusively.

One woman in my rotation still fucks her husband, but as she put it "it's obligatory." He comes in a minute. He never comes in her mouth. She never sucks him. She never kisses him.

It doesn't bother me. Because when I fuck her, I fucking FUCK her. No one else is really FUCKING her. The minute she puts her tongue down my throat I am at attention and ready to deliver.

Strong work. I'm not going to criticize you. But for me, I won't touch another man's wife. No matter what. Don't you think there is too much risk involved? I know too many crazy people. Besides there are enough unmarried hoes to go around. But while we are on the subject, how do you particularly target married women? Online? Or you just get a vibe from them in real life?

[WestCoast]

(11-30-2012 10:43 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 09:53 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There's a lot of guys here that will say it shouldn't matter who she fucks and that if she's giving you good sex then enjoy it and so on as long as you don't wife her up. In theory I have no problem with that point of view, but in reality I just don't feel comfortable banging a girl who is banging other guys. You can call that beta or traditional or whatever, but my dick goes soft if I know she's getting slammed by other dicks and taking them in her mouth.

There are too many girls out there who don't feel comfortable banging more than one guy at a time that I find it absolutely unnecessary to share a girl.

I used to think this way, but I don't now that I bang married women almost exclusively.

One woman in my rotation still fucks her husband, but as she put it "it's obligatory." He comes in a minute. He never comes in her mouth. She never sucks him. She never kisses him.

It doesn't bother me. Because when I fuck her, I fucking FUCK her. No one else is really FUCKING her. The minute she puts her tongue down my throat I am at attention and ready to deliver.

I don't know if I should be disturbed or happy that I am in complete agreement with Tenderman.

The point I was attempting to make is "if you believe you can truly read a woman, you're going to be in for a big fuck you"

One of the girls I'm seeing changed my mindset 100% about this, we only have sex on her lunch break... her husband has 0% chance of knowing anything. Google voice app + whatsapp/tango pick your poison and auto deleted messages after 5pm and no contact after 6pm.

Unless she's literally around you 24/7... you will never be 100% certain. It has been even more eye opening when she calls him half way though "lunch break" saying sappy stuff like "I miss you so much babe I can't wait to see you" and "thank you so much for grocery shopping yesterday!"... i'm laying right next to her and as i watch it I realize... I would be 100% fooled as well.

So of course they may not be cheating on you but may as well assume the worst, no harm no foul, also presents you from catching the love disease.

(again hard to show tone in this post but no cynisism is implied)

[UnW]

Fuck them today and forget them tomorrow.