[Daniel]

Here is the situation. I'm a white, 6'0, 19-year-old, arguably above-average looking guy once again and getting better because I got my workouts and diet back in order. My only income is from donating plasma, but I should have another job soon. I don't have a car, my 'cellphone' is Google Voice, and I rent at a friend's mom's house and pay her gas money for rides. It's a long story, but I mostly have my life together and a solid plan.

Basically, at the plasma center that I've donated consistently at in the past six months - give or take, I've had an interest in gaming one of the staff. She's a 21-year-old college grad, but she is just working that job until she finds more direction in her life - 7.5/10 by my scale. We've made small talk a few times and she's complimented me on a few things just during her sticking me or removing the needle (she always initiates), but up until recently I've felt too omega (yes omega, not just beta) to try anything. I've kept my demeanor among her and her coworkers as mostly aloof and down-to-business, so I believe, but nonetheless she has come to greet me on a first name basis and seems to regard me with curiosity, and I've been conscious about not seeming either particularly interested or disinterested at this point, but I've only been with younger girls in a high school setting, and this is my first really considered venture into any real adult game. Optimally, I'd like to play it where she would pick me up to initially hang or something, maybe pay our ways individually for something casual and to keep things interesting, and steer it to where I get us back to her place to fuck. I think I'm mostly relying on being hard to read and subtly Alpha sexual.

So, what is my best course of action, gents? I feel like I need to make a bold opening next week to shock her from my normally reserved but not necessarily shy attitude. Thanks.

[Daniel]

Whoops. Dunno why I didn't put this in the newb forum initially. Eh.

[WesternCancer]

Pretend to get all light headed from the blood loss then fall face first into her tits.

[Daniel]

(11-01-2012 03:05 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Pretend to get all light headed from the blood loss then fall face first into her tits.

Haha. That would bring the shock factor for sure, but I'll pass on that idea.

[20Nation]

Just ask her to chill sometime it's as simple as that. When it comes to girls, you can't get what you aren't willing to lose.

[Daniel]

(11-01-2012 04:21 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

Just ask her to chill sometime it's as simple as that. When it comes to girls, you can't get what you aren't willing to lose.

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm over thinking it.

[Praetor]

I think that once you obtain that other job you'll feel more confident and it will make logistics easier, logistics are key.

[Giovonny]

You are over thinking this a little bit. I don't think you need to "shock her". You just need to open up and have a quality conversation with her. Find something that you guys have in common, make her laugh, discuss shared interests and shared experiences. If she actively participates in the conversation and asks you some personal questions then you can ask her to hang out sometime.

Next time you see her, be more chatty, keep it light-hearted and fun. Build a personal connection with her. Don't just be another patient. Be the patient who is fun to talk to and engaging.

After talking to her like this for another 20-30 minutes, say..."we should hang out some time" or "wanna get a drink sometime"

[Daniel]

(11-01-2012 12:53 PM)Praetor Wrote:  

I think that once you obtain that other job you'll feel more confident and it will make logistics easier, logistics are key.

True.

[Daniel]

(11-01-2012 01:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

You are over thinking this a little bit. I don't think you need to "shock her". You just need to open up and have a quality conversation with her. Find something that you guys have in common, make her laugh, discuss shared interests and shared experiences. If she actively participates in the conversation and asks you some personal questions then you can ask her to hang out sometime.

Next time you see her, be more chatty, keep it light-hearted and fun. Build a personal connection with her. Don't just be another patient. Be the patient who is fun to talk to and engaging.

After talking to her like this for another 20-30 minutes, say..."we should hang out some time" or "wanna get a drink sometime"

Yeah, I think I'll lighten up a bit but still retain an obscure/witty factor and let her do most of the talking. If anything is worse than being too quiet as a guy, it's being gabby and essentially too revealing and potentially vulnerable, IMO. That's for the girls. But hey, I won't be crying myself to sleep at night if I eff up. I need the practice and would like the lay right now because I'm doing the 'No-Fap November' challenge from 4Chan. Lol.

[Matt3B]

What do you know about her? You've got her to yourself when she's taking the blood right?

Just ask her about her, DHV yourself on something she says. "I really wanna go travelling". "That's cool, I've planned for me and my mates to go..." etc etc. Conversation will flow and then you just have to hit her with "This is quite fun, you're interesting. Let's go get a drink sometime and talk some more". She'll say yes, guaranteed.

Man, the hardest part is approaching and isolating. You've got that shit out of the way, and she's complimented you a few times. Just warm her up with a bit of personal conversation and go for the kill. Sounds to me like she's waiting for it.

[HiFlo]

(11-01-2012 02:23 AM)Daniel Wrote:  

Here is the situation. I'm a white, 6'0, 19-year-old, arguably above-average looking guy once again and getting better because I got my workouts and diet back in order. My only income is from donating plasma, but I should have another job soon. I don't have a car, my 'cellphone' is Google Voice, and I rent at a friend's mom's house and pay her gas money for rides. It's a long story, but I mostly have my life together and a solid plan.

Basically, at the plasma center that I've donated consistently at in the past six months - give or take, I've had an interest in gaming one of the staff. She's a 21-year-old college grad, but she is just working that job until she finds more direction in her life - 7.5/10 by my scale. We've made small talk a few times and she's complimented me on a few things just during her sticking me or removing the needle (she always initiates), but up until recently I've felt too omega (yes omega, not just beta) to try anything. I've kept my demeanor among her and her coworkers as mostly aloof and down-to-business, so I believe, but nonetheless she has come to greet me on a first name basis and seems to regard me with curiosity, and I've been conscious about not seeming either particularly interested or disinterested at this point, but I've only been with younger girls in a high school setting, and this is my first really considered venture into any real adult game. Optimally, I'd like to play it where she would pick me up to initially hang or something, maybe pay our ways individually for something casual and to keep things interesting, and steer it to where I get us back to her place to fuck. I think I'm mostly relying on being hard to read and subtly Alpha sexual.

So, what is my best course of action, gents? I feel like I need to make a bold opening next week to shock her from my normally reserved but not necessarily shy attitude. Thanks.

You don't game one-itis circumstances like this. You game the world.

You game this situation by developing yourself, and by gaming other girls. By gaming other girls you'll develop as a man, and you'll develop your game and rise from that fucking omega state. Cause for real, it sounds like you're one the types who when a girl tells her friend "i would never sleep with that guy" she means it.

You'll get to where you gotta go, buddy, but it won't be tomorrow or the next day after that either.

[Daniel]

(11-02-2012 08:29 PM)MattC Wrote:  

What do you know about her? You've got her to yourself when she's taking the blood right?

Just ask her about her, DHV yourself on something she says. "I really wanna go travelling". "That's cool, I've planned for me and my mates to go..." etc etc. Conversation will flow and then you just have to hit her with "This is quite fun, you're interesting. Let's go get a drink sometime and talk some more". She'll say yes, guaranteed.

Man, the hardest part is approaching and isolating. You've got that shit out of the way, and she's complimented you a few times. Just warm her up with a bit of personal conversation and go for the kill. Sounds to me like she's waiting for it.

I basically know what I described initially, apart from overhearing her say she used to be very thin and kind of scary looking or something, and she may be seeing someone, but I'll ask if she has a guy before I let that defer me. At a plasma center, it's one big room with many beds and extraction machines with multiple staff members and donors. It's not isolated and has no walls or anything between donors, so I only have her to myself for about five minutes in a public setting if she happens to be the one sticking me by coincidence or by request and another five minutes if she happens to be nearby when I finish to be the one to unstick me.

I've never requested her as to remain indifferent thus far, and I'm thinking about starting off this way next time to set the course. But yeah, I'm American and don't really drink, so if I set enough rapport to get her out with me, going out for a drink can't be the plan due to my age alone. I don't want to be brought down a notch by reminding an older girl I can't legally buy (but have drank a bit of) alcohol if that's what this chick is into.

[HiFlo]

fuck dude, u got one-itis bad. she's going to reject you.

be a man, don't be an omega. ill break it down in 3 simple steps that anyone can do:
1) next time you go in there, request that SHE BE THE ONE TO DRAW YOUR BLOOD, do not chicken out on this simple request brother.
2) make small talk about anything..."hey busy day?", joke around "i just IV'd some heroin last night, my plasma feels healthier than ever." ask "what do you do for fun outside of drawing blood?"
3) finally, say, "hey, let's hang out sometime outside of this. what's your phone number? here write it down on this piece of paper"

boom, then you'll find out if she's interested or not, or if she's seeing someone or whatever. stop playing fucking headgames with yourself about this.

[Daniel]

(11-02-2012 08:44 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 02:23 AM)Daniel Wrote:  

Here is the situation. I'm a white, 6'0, 19-year-old, arguably above-average looking guy once again and getting better because I got my workouts and diet back in order. My only income is from donating plasma, but I should have another job soon. I don't have a car, my 'cellphone' is Google Voice, and I rent at a friend's mom's house and pay her gas money for rides. It's a long story, but I mostly have my life together and a solid plan.

Basically, at the plasma center that I've donated consistently at in the past six months - give or take, I've had an interest in gaming one of the staff. She's a 21-year-old college grad, but she is just working that job until she finds more direction in her life - 7.5/10 by my scale. We've made small talk a few times and she's complimented me on a few things just during her sticking me or removing the needle (she always initiates), but up until recently I've felt too omega (yes omega, not just beta) to try anything. I've kept my demeanor among her and her coworkers as mostly aloof and down-to-business, so I believe, but nonetheless she has come to greet me on a first name basis and seems to regard me with curiosity, and I've been conscious about not seeming either particularly interested or disinterested at this point, but I've only been with younger girls in a high school setting, and this is my first really considered venture into any real adult game. Optimally, I'd like to play it where she would pick me up to initially hang or something, maybe pay our ways individually for something casual and to keep things interesting, and steer it to where I get us back to her place to fuck. I think I'm mostly relying on being hard to read and subtly Alpha sexual.

So, what is my best course of action, gents? I feel like I need to make a bold opening next week to shock her from my normally reserved but not necessarily shy attitude. Thanks.

You don't game one-itis circumstances like this. You game the world.

You game this situation by developing yourself, and by gaming other girls. By gaming other girls you'll develop as a man, and you'll develop your game and rise from that fucking omega state. Cause for real, it sounds like you're one the types who when a girl tells her friend "i would never sleep with that guy" she means it.

You'll get to where you gotta go, buddy, but it won't be tomorrow or the next day after that either.

I can't blame you for thinking that. Hell, I'm not going to lie, I've only been with two girls, technically - one dysfunctional off and on long-term relationship and a casual dating hookup where she wanted to get serious, then I dropped her. Other than that, I've dated a couple other girls but never sealed the deal. I've had plenty of girls interested up until after high school, but was too beta to play around out of insecurities and pickiness.

Yeah, I should diversify, but I haven't seen anyone else interesting enough and those that have been interested, I just can't see myself fucking.

[Daniel]

(11-02-2012 09:50 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

fuck dude, u got one-itis bad. she's going to reject you.

be a man, don't be an omega. ill break it down in 3 simple steps that anyone can do:
1) next time you go in there, request that SHE BE THE ONE TO DRAW YOUR BLOOD, do not chicken out on this simple request brother.
2) make small talk about anything..."hey busy day?", joke around "i just IV'd some heroin last night, my plasma feels healthier than ever." ask "what do you do for fun outside of drawing blood?"
3) finally, say, "hey, let's hang out sometime outside of this. what's your phone number? here write it down on this piece of paper"

boom, then you'll find out if she's interested or not, or if she's seeing someone or whatever. stop playing fucking headgames with yourself about this.

Lmao. Alright, alright. I'm still a bitch when it comes to overthinking things. But damn, guy, I'm not wanting to settle, just get the wheels going with something decent. Thanks.

[HiFlo]

(11-02-2012 10:03 PM)Daniel Wrote:  

Yeah, I should diversify, but I haven't seen anyone else interesting enough and those that have been interested, I just can't see myself fucking.

You haven't SEEN anyone else interesting enough? Dude, have you even bothered to get to KNOW them? There are plenty of interesting things about ALMOST EVERYONE (remember just cause it's interesting doesn't mean it's GOOD, interesting things can also be BAD, VERY BAD). You just have to DIG DEEP to find them, and that's by getting to know them. And besides, conversely, what's so interesting in YOURSELF that would make people want to be friends with you? Not being mean, but if you can't find anything interesting in yourself, how you gonna find anything interesting in anyone else?

[CMan0928]

(11-01-2012 04:21 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

When it comes to girls, you can't get what you aren't willing to lose.

This. Don't overthink it like you probably usually do. From the sounds of things she makes it a point to seek out conversation with you, so the ball really appears to be in your court. And if she says no to a drink or the number? Fuck it. Move on. You're 19, life is just beginning. I really liked what HiFlo said, too. Be assertive and demand she be the one to "service" you. Show her you're interested in her to some degree. Play it cool.

[Daniel]

(11-02-2012 10:17 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 10:03 PM)Daniel Wrote:  

Yeah, I should diversify, but I haven't seen anyone else interesting enough and those that have been interested, I just can't see myself fucking.

You haven't SEEN anyone else interesting enough? Dude, have you even bothered to get to KNOW them? There are plenty of interesting things about ALMOST EVERYONE. You just have to DIG DEEP to find them, and that's by getting to know them. And besides, conversely, what's so interesting in YOURSELF that would make people want to be friends with you?

We're on the Roosh V Forum, right? When it comes to girls (because I'm taking the red pill), I just want the lay based on their appearance. I'll focus on personality and etc. more when/if I want a relationship. The body is the first thing you see, after all. And why should I justify myself about how interesting I am? I like me right now. Besides, I think most of my interest should come from not being too revealing with women (leave them with questions). Other than that, the basic game plan is take care of myself and dressing decently. I CAN do some talking. My issue currently is just wondering how my lack of certain other things can screw me over.

[Daniel]

(11-02-2012 10:20 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 04:21 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

When it comes to girls, you can't get what you aren't willing to lose.

This. Don't overthink it like you probably usually do. From the sounds of things she makes it a point to seek out conversation with you, so the ball really appears to be in your court. And if she says no to a drink or the number? Fuck it. Move on. You're 19, life is just beginning. I really liked what HiFlo said, too. Be assertive and demand she be the one to "service" you. Show her you're interested in her to some degree. Play it cool.

Already said I was overthinking it, and I pretty much said I was going to just go for it the next time I donate (Monday). No worries, man. I honestly think I can get my number to her without much issue. It's just been the other things that I've wondered might blow it for me afterwards. Still, ovetthinking.