[Beyond Borders]

This is some devastating stuff here; use at your own discretion.

Maybe other people have already done this or talked about this on here before, but I guess I've never been interested in reading up on how to get girls to cheat, so if so I'm out of the loop. I was talking to my buddy the other day - kind of a natural - and he dropped this wisdom on me.

This works best over cocktails. If she's got a boyfriend you know or have met (obviously not a friend of yours), all you have to do is state how awesome or cool the guy is. "He seems like a nice guy, etc." She'll inevitably start arguing how much of an asshole he can be sometimes and jabbering away about how he did this and does that. Don't forget - every relationship has drama, so she'll be at no loss of material to bitch about.

You stay neutral (but be a good listener, boys) and she'll just keep digging a deeper hole for the guy until she pretty much is on the verge of breaking up with him. Whether that sentiment lasts until morning, she's definitely prime for the bang then and there that night. Her emotions will be on fire! And the best part is you're just the neutral player who wouldn't stoop as low as to bad-mouth her man (staying neutral is probably one of the most important details here). lol She'll blame no one but herself and very likely would never "confess" since she was hating on him so hard all night.

I couldn't help but try it out on a whim and it worked so well it was scary. The lay was blocked but it was well on its way to coming. Chick was ready to be single and talking about a breakup within the next week or two if the guy didn't get his shit together.

Use that shit carefully. It works, but it's a very sleazy jedi mind trick and I'm sure drama is a distinct possibility if not inevitable. I'm going to try avoiding usage myself, but now that I've seen the dark side it will be hard to ignore completely, so I'm sure it will rear its ugly head again.

[BurnFirst]

Might work sometimes, other times she might just agree with you then what.
I think this will not go the way you want most of the time, you might spend time better opening more girls.

[Beyond Borders]

(10-19-2012 06:05 PM)BurnFirst Wrote:  

Might work sometimes, other times she might just agree with you then what.
I think this will not go the way you want most of the time, you might spend time better opening more girls.

Welcome to small town USA. I'm currently in a very rural area with 90% dudes when you go out. The only industry here is growing doob and so there is tons of cash flying around and every pussy on a pedastal. If there's a woman out that's not completely ugly and not with a friend, you simply pursue.

It also means plenty of time for sitting around a dive bar talking to some drunk girl about shit you don't care about.

This has been working for my buddy for years. That said, it's certainly not going to be my main focus in life. Opening more girls is not a problem I struggle with. lol Opening is probably my greatest strength.

Even though this is a new one for me, my experience with female psychology says that 95% of women will sell the guy out.

[scorpion]

This tactic is very legit, I have used it myself in the past.

What you're doing is basically playing a mind-trick in order to turn the boyfriend into a nice guy beta. Which, as we know, turns the pussy into the Sahara.

So you say things like, "Wow he sounds so nice, he must love you so much!" or "Wow what a great guy he has a heart of gold." or "I can tell he is super dedicated to you."

The girl will then come back with things he's done wrong, at which point, you double down.

"I'm sure he only did that because he just loves you so much and can't imagine life without you."

The effect can be devastating, especially if you are at the same time selling the girl on your own story, which is sprinkled with exotic details and DHVs. You're creating this massive contrast in her head, between her current boyfriend, who through the conversational tricks you've employed has been reduced to a pathetic, sniveling beta in her mind, and the vision you're selling her, which is one of exotic flair and high value.

Combine this tactic with tequila and a dance floor and the results can be shockingly effective.

[Carbonic]

Scorpion. Well prescribed, as you say;

"The girl will then come back with things he's done wrong, at which point, you double down. "I'm sure he only did that because he just loves you so much and can't imagine life without you."

Funny because that hammers home his neediness, and really cements him in beta-ville.

[XXL]

obnoxiously detailed version:

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My potent BF Destroying routine, in all its evil glory: I have used this for 5 years, and seen if work effectively for both myself and for friends who ask me to BFdestroy on chicks that they want to get with. I have seen this work on all forms of commitment (marriage, engaged, BF/GF, FB that she's attached to).

This stuff is more geared towards prompting an actual breakup, than a ONS (though its worked WELL for ONS also in -many- cases). I've read MrSEX4uNYC's stuff on that, and its all you need. So if you're just trying to make yourself sexually available to commited chicks who you sense want you anyway, this stuff is hardly necessary. In that case, just do a ctrl-f search for "boyfriend" in NYC's archive, and you're golden. For HBs in satisfying relationships (ie: getting sexed well, getting emotional nurturing, guy is challenging yet fair) that is your only option, as no amount of BFdestroying will do shit.

--

Background - a few things to remember:

1) When BFdestroying you walk a tightrope between evoking too many bad feelings and having them anchoured to you, and getting the chick to want to dump her BF. Don't forget that your end goal is to f-close, not to break her up for some other dude to enjoy.

2) It is preferable that you don't make it appear that you want her to dump her boyfriend. Rather, make the idea appear to be something from within her (more of a Socratic thing, than a direct thing).

3) While BFdestroying, you must direct the convo. to make her prompt you to tell her how you would treat a woman. Make her work it out of you, because she's worked up, and wants to know if she's got a fair deal or not.

4) You must REFRAME all behaviour to appear like insecure nice guy behaviour. Even behaviour that -WE- as ASFers would use on girls (such as not agreeing to LTR) is to be REFRAMED as being nice guy behaviour, as someone who is too afraid to be decisive and go for what they really want, since they are too afraid that they will lose it once they've been emotionally vulnerable (as will be explained below). All behaviour can be REFRAMED.

5) By making the guy look like a "NICE GUY", you are making him the most sexually unappealing guy conceivable. Once you've done this, there is NOTHING that he can do to get back into her good books, as you've put him into a predicament where anything that he does will be interpreted by his GF as being insecure. So, if he's too distant, and he makes up for it by buying her flowers -> he's insecure. If he's too needy, and he makes up for it by getting a life -> he's insecure. You are trying to DIFFUSE his outer glossy shell, and give the girl a window into his inner workings, so that he no longer appears "mysterious" in any way. You make her understand him so well, that she likes him more as a person, but no longer has any sexual desire for him.

6) Rather than re-explaining EVing, I'll just quote some MrSEX4uNYC archive, to give the basic frame that you're working with WHILE you are using the stuff that I'm mentioning. Without using this at the same time, my shit is USELESS: "A major point though is that if her relationship to her boyfriend was so good, what is she doing sitting out for coffee with you? This does not need to be stated by you. It is obvious. Your job is to find out what SHE wants from you and how you plan to demonstrate that you can provide it to her through your stories about yourself. Of course you need lots of stories about yourself dealing with women in the same fashion that she likes to be handles herself. This stuff seeps in and makes her think of you as "her type" without you even complimenting her once." (MrSEX4u NYC)

The tactic:

What you're looking to do here is tear the guy down to a NICE GUY, while making it look like you're actually STICKING UP FOR HIM! Your goal is to make him one of those guys that a girl would go out on a date with, like as a person, and feel bad for having to LJBF at the end of the night when he tries to kiss her at the door.

So how do you do that? Almost invariably, LTRs have certain problems (which any of you who've had LTRs are morbidly familiar with):

- jealousy related spats (KEY)

- neediness

- failure to commit or being too distant

- abusive behaviour (be it physical or mental)

- psychological withdrawal, to gain certainty in the relationship (ie: in LTRs each party will withdraw to see if the other will pursue periodically, to assure themselves that the LTR is solid.. this is dimestore psychology, and easily observable in any relationship)

- being irresponsible (not holding up share of chores, etc.)

- not being assertive in bed (KEY)

- being into S&M and other stuff in bed, that the girl thinks is too far out

- getting angry/frustrated when he initiates sex, and girl is not in the mood (KEY)

- being too predictable, not passionate

OK, there are some basic ones. I will now break these down to show you how I would roughly respond to any of these complaints, in a way that I appear to be sticking up for the BF, but am inadvertantly BFdestroying him. This is not the sum total of the routine, but simply the raw fuel that you are employing, while using standard ASF kino/bodylanguage/tonality etc. Remember, that you may not necessarily want to start escalating your sexual state, until she is convinced that her BF is lame-ass, otherwise she may potentially realize that you are trying to pull one over on her. This is not the rule, but simply something to be considered based on your evaluation of the circumstance.

Jealousy:

"You have to understand that this guy really appreciates you, because you're probably the best girl that he ever got, or ever will get. I know that... you care about this guy (maybe sp)... but there's just a certain equilibrium where if you've done this guy a favour by being with him and he's not equipped to handle it, since he knows that he'll never get a girl like you again if he walks out, that he's just constantly frustrated and panicked that you'll leave. It's not his fault.

Neediness:

"You've got to understand that for this guy you are his entire world. He cares about you so much, that everything else in the world is meaningless to him. You are his only source of pleasure, and without you he knows that. ..he's nothing. You can't blame him, he just doesn't have anything else going for him, so he needs you."

Failure to commit:

"It's not that this guy doesn't love you. He does. Its just that deep down he has a fear that... you're too good for him... and that you'll realize it and be like, you know....you just have to dump this guy.... and then he'll be left emotionally destroyed because he made himself vulnerable. Yes yes I know that you wouldn't do that to him, but its just that with (x,y,z into consideration - bring up imbalance struck earlier in the convo) he knows that you could get other guys (SP)...like me...I just think that he's not an emotionally secure person, and you've gotta cut him some slack."

Abusive behaviour:

"It's not that this guy doesn't love you. Its that he loves you too much, and just can't handle it. He's not emotionally available, and because he knows that you're the best he's ever had, he can't handle all of these things that he's going through emotionally. All his life he probably wasn't very good with women, and women weren't interested in him.. So now that he's got this girl, he doesn't know how to handle it. (plus use the he doesn't want to be emotionally vulnerable, because he's such a loser ass that he can't handle it as per above etc.)

Periodic Psychological Withdrawal:

"(use combinations from material I've written.. Rather than downplaying it for the perfectly normal behaviour that it is, magnify it by making it appear to be a sign of insecurity, that is typically displayed when nice guys who can't get girls get stuck into a relationship with a girl that is too good for them)"

Being Irresponsible:

"Its not that this guy doesn't -want- to do these things. Its just that he's so overwhelmed by all of the things that are going on, that he just can't keep up these responsibilities. Yes yes, I know that x,y,z aren't that much, but he's not in an emotionally healthy place right now, and he just can't handle it (you mirror this against yourself, the image of a REAL/STRONG/COMPETENT man, basically trying to make him seem like a little boy)"

Not being assertive in bed (THIS IS KEY, AND IS VERY OFTEN THE BEST ONE TO USE - VERY COMMON):

"It's not that he doesn't want to excite you. It's just that he's so overwhelmed being with a girl like you, that he's not equipped to handle your sexual needs. It's like the typical case of the rich daughter who marries the labourer. At first the labourer is so exstatic to have this gorgeous girl (point to her) wanting him.. But in the end, he cheats on her with some white trash mullet haired girl, because he knows that that's who he really belongs with, and that's who makes him feel good about himself. You shouldn't hold his lack of assertiveness in bed against him, because its just a reflection of his insecurity. With the right girl, any guy can be a stud in the sack .. its not hard, you just have to take CONTROL (perhaps show some controlling kino here, to get her turned on)." then transition to some HOT sex talk, where you inadvertantly spill how much you need to take control in bed.

Guy into weird stuff in bed (S&M etc) when she hates it:

"It's not that this guy doesn't love you.. Its just that he uses these things to objectify you, because he knows that he's never had a girl like you, and probably never will once you're gone.. so he doesn't want to "make love", because he doesn't want to make himself emotionally vulnerable to you.. but he still wants sex, so he has to turn it into a perverse game, to keep his insecurities from overwhelming him"

Guy gets angry when he initiates sex and she's not interested (ANOTHER KEY ONE TO PECK AT.. VERY COMMON):

"The thing is, that this guy loves you, and he's just exasperated that.... he's completely impotent to turn you on.. he just can't turn you on, and he knows that, so he gets frustrated.. Its like when you want to have sex...withme its like, I know that its your job to get the girl turned on.

Girls need a man who knows that they want, and how to get it. When a girl says 'no', but at the same time she loves this guy (sp), it often means please turn me on more.. please, I want you to be more attentive to me.. (this totally mindfucks the girl, as it is an EXTREMELY COMMON part of the LTR cycle, that once sex becomes stagnant -> foreplay nearly ceases. Because chemically women are addicted to OXITOCINS which are released by touch, and it is more testosterone that they get from sex, most women will hate sex once it degrades to a lack of foreplay. However, most LTRs have this problem, so you must exploit it.. I'm ceasely amazed by how much girls in LTRs PERK RIGHT UP the second that you imply that you're attentive even in LTRs)

Being too predictable, not passionate:

"Its not that this guy doesn't love you. He does. Its just that he's so comfortable with you now.. and feels so close to you, that you're more like a sister to him.. Like a special sister, but someone who he doesn't feel that he has to do all these things for anymore, because your relationship is so secure and so predictable.. there's no need for all that excitement, because he knows that nothing will change.. Some guys deal with true love that way.. I dunno, for me, I think that if you really love someone, you have to do x,y,z (established earlier in convo) to keep it fresh. Like if you are really a real man who loves his woman, you have to do x,y,z to keep it fresh. But really, its not that he doesn't love you, its just that he loves you so much that he doesn't see the need."


***So, remember that you are focusing on destroying the guy's sexual appeal, by making him seem too familiar, and easy to understand. People generally get 'one-itis' for those who are challenging and hard to understand. By making the BF seem both easy to understand, and very insecure/nice/beta in the meantime, the relationship will likely not last the week.

Just remember not to be the LJBF who counsels her on her problems. Instead, you are constantly getting her worked up by doing the EVing that MrSEX4uNYC discusses in his archive. Ideally, she must be getting both turned off the guy by what you're doing, and getting turned on by YOU, and the conversation

NATURALLY LEADS TO HOW YOU ARE DIFFERENT, AND -IDEAL- FOR WHAT SHE WANTS. The natural flow of conversation must indirectly lead to exposing your highly desirable qualities.

She is getting turned on by the DIRECT CONTRAST between you and her boyfriend. You do not offer your qualities directly, but highlight them by pointing out that you understand where her BFs negative qualities are insecure. Getting her to beg you to tell her how you treat women is all the better, and if it is going well can likely be expected. Act reluctant to tell her if necessary, though not to the extent that you are sending an SOI that her getting with you is not a program that you're down with.

Once you have her worked up, use standard ASF material to move in, and its a done deal.

[Norset]

My impression is that this isn't really cruhsing the bf. A lot of girls would rather be in some half-assed relationship than be single. I cannot think of a single instance from my own life or my close friends were a girl didn't have another guy lined up (most cases some form of intimacy with new guy already going on) before dumping the now-to-be ex. I have never seen girls so mortally crushed as when their bf's dump them out of the blue, without having other guys to fall back on. So, most girls in relationships older than a few months are looking for 2nd fiddles.

Also, case in point: Why would she be in an isolated setting with you if she wasn't already looking?

[scorpion]

(10-20-2012 07:05 PM)Norset Wrote:  

My impression is that this isn't really cruhsing the bf. A lot of girls would rather be in some half-assed relationship than be single. I cannot think of a single instance from my own life or my close friends were a girl didn't have another guy lined up (most cases some form of intimacy with new guy already going on) before dumping the now-to-be ex. I have never seen girls so mortally crushed as when their bf's dump them out of the blue, without having other guys to fall back on. So, most girls in relationships older than a few months are looking for 2nd fiddles.

Also, case in point: Why would she be in an isolated setting with you if she wasn't already looking?

I think you just answered your own question there. The point is to be that new guy she's lining up.

It's impossible to pull a girl who is 100% satisfied in her relationship. But that's very rare.

[AntiTrace]

Sitting in a college math class a couple years back, a cute girl from my dorm was chatting me up.

It was valentines day, her boyfriend was about 6 hours away at another college but wasn't going to come and see her. He said it was because he couldn't afford the train ticket and he was coming to see her for two weeks the next month. This was most likely true because he was a broke college kid and a complete square, he had no chance of having a side price.


Anti - "oh that's hilarious, I had an old buddy Jim that used to do that"

Her - "what"

Anti - "nevermind, I'm not trying to start a fight

Her - "no what did your friend do?"

Anti - "haha ok. Jim had a girlfriend a couple hours away. He told his girlfriend he couldn't visit her on her birthday because his car broke down."

Her - "oh that sucks"

Anti "no no no, you don't get it. Jim was seeing a local stripper. He hung out with her on his girlfriends birthday. Then he told his girlfriend he was taking her for a weekend getaway to make up for his car problems and missing her birthday. He was a sneaky little bastard, did stuff like that all the time"

Her - "are you serious, who the fuck would do something like that"

Anti - "ask your boyfriend hahaha. No I'm just playing your boyfriend probably would never do that to you"

Her - "he seriously did that?"

Anti - "shhh, I'm trying to take notes"


She disnt say a word the rest of the class but was furiously typing away on her phone. I wonder to whom haha.

She popped up on my Facebook newsfeed a couple hours later with a picture upload of her face with puffy red swollen eyes with the caption "had a big fight with the BF, worst valentines ever"

When life hands you an emotionally destroyed women on valentines day, you go for the kill. I texted her to say what's up. She said the same thing about a fight with the boyfriend. I told her it was my fault and Then I brought her out for coffee to take her mind of it.

Then I offered her to come back to my place and watch a comedy to get her in a good mood again. The lights dimmed, the wine cane out, I started to message her neck, and she left the next morning in the good mood i promised.

Hell I was even on cloud nine for the next few days, that was some pussy of the gods.

I felt bad afterwards. Her BF was as omega as they come. But you can't trust a wolf to watch over your rabbit.

That is how you destroy a boyfriend.

[Snowflake]

I could see this technique working but how do you avoid being classified as a beta comforter?

[Beyond Borders]

(10-22-2012 11:28 AM)Snowflake Wrote:  

I could see this technique working but how do you avoid being classified as a beta comforter?

Good question, but I don't really have an answer for you. I'm simply not that guy so I'd never be confused as him. Not trying to be cocky or dismissive - just don't really know how to explain it.

Not to mention that a "beta comforter," as you put it, would most likely do everything he could to trash-talk her boyfriend with her and thus cock-block himself.

[AntiTrace]

(10-22-2012 01:26 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 11:28 AM)Snowflake Wrote:  

I could see this technique working but how do you avoid being classified as a beta comforter?

Good question, but I don't really have an answer for you. I'm simply not that guy so I'd never be confused as him. Not trying to be cocky or dismissive - just don't really know how to explain it.

Not to mention that a "beta comforter," as you put it, would most likely do everything he could to trash-talk her boyfriend with her and thus cock-block himself.

I'm not a fan of this. It is too passive and relies too much on the female. Maybe for a long term strategy to break the boyfriend down over time. I think what success this strategy has had was predetermined before the meet and had little to do with the work you are doing. For a female to to meet you for drinks and then bash her boyfriend unprovoked, she has made up her mind to get some strange already and it simply your job not to fuck it up.

I prefer a more active strategy where you are creating the doubt in a cocky and playful manner. You plant the seed, water it a bit with some good one liners here and there, then step back and let the hamster do what it does best.

I do agree with your way of never talking shit about her boyfriend. That will only put her on the defensive and cause her to defend him.

To each his own, we all have our own techniques.