[Roosh]

Lots of inaccuracies and strawmen, but what got my attention was this new term "microaggression" that you can't say the word "balls" because it promotes a culture where womens feelings are being hurt.

Here are some examples: http://www.microaggressions.com/

Anything that implies men and women are not unequal must be abolished. It's basically political correctness on steroids.

[Basil Ransom]

Saw fat man with queer mannerisms, queerer voice, in sloppy cardigan, did not watch.

[Tuthmosis]

   

[Tuthmosis]

Notice how the screen cap--used to entice you to watch the video--shows the two titties. Youtube gives you a choice of thumbnails when you upload a video, and they went with that one.

This is the very objectification they're railing against. Especially since the woman's face has been omitted, thereby "dismembering" her.

   

[Roosh]

^^ Youtube partners get a choice to upload their own screen cap that doesn't even have to be a part of the video. So theirs was photoshopped separately from the actual vid.

[Tuthmosis]

(10-02-2012 10:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

^^ Youtube partners get a choice to upload their own screen cap that doesn't even have to be a part of the video. So theirs was photoshopped separately from the actual vid.

Even worse, then.

[RawGod]

Imagine what kind of pussy that guy is getting, assuming he's straight.

Clearly, making some white knighting Youtube videos is a desperate Hail Mary, a cry for help. And much, much easier than taking the red pill.

[Excelsior]

Actually to the time to watch the video, and I agree-total bs, filled with strawmen.

Just more attempted justification for handing an already extremely privileged and extremely well protected group (middle/upper class white women, the main beneficiaries of modern feminism) more protection and more privilege than they already have. It never ends.

I don't see what more society can do for them (it has already gone out of its way to hand them more and more with every demand, and by almost every measure they maintain more than everyone else), but I'm sure they'll come up with something else.

I've never seen a more privileged group complain more.

[bacon]

i thought fattitude only applied to women until i saw this.

i am glad ive expatriated this shit is getting out of control

[Kitsune]

So I watched the first three seconds and saw a woman hit a man without any provocation and then she just walked away without any consequences.

What a fucking retarded way to start a video about how bad women have it.

I only listened to about three seconds of this guy's voice: He is ugly and has a ridiculous voice and is doing a feminism video. He doesn't get laid: women can't stand him, men can't stand him. He has nothing to teach me, and I'm not listening to 5:19 of it.


EDIT: That microagressions site is bad. It is basically "Somebody told me something I didn't want to hear today." It needs a good trolling, to be honest.

[soup]

I agree that those points are BS. That said, I think it would be good if we actually debunked them in this thread with evidence and examples.

[storm]

That guy in the flannel shirt was sitting there the whole time, listening to that egg-shaped gentleman's incredibly annoying voice.

Somebody must have mentioned to him that listening to him talk is like listening to your fourth grade math teacher scrape her fingernails down the chalkboard. He looks 30. That he went on youtube before sorting that out is a surprise.

(10-03-2012 03:20 AM)Kitsune Wrote:  

So I watched the first three seconds and saw a woman hit a man without any provocation and then she just walked away without any consequences.

Women hit men for very different reasons than men hit men.

[Spike]

who's the bald women presenting this crappy story?. I watched one minute which is more then enough for this crap.

[Deluge]

(10-03-2012 03:49 AM)soup Wrote:  

I agree that those points are BS. That said, I think it would be good if we actually debunked them in this thread with evidence and examples.

This forum has now officially become my primary exam study distraction...

Gender Pay Gap

The New York Times

Quote:

THE NEW GENDER DIVIDE
At Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust

What is beyond dispute is that the college landscape is changing. Women now make up 58 percent of those enrolled in two- and four-year colleges and are, over all, the majority in graduate schools and professional schools too.

Most institutions of higher learning, except engineering schools, now have a female edge, with many small liberal arts colleges and huge public universities alike hovering near the 60-40 ratio.

Forbes

Quote:

The wage gap statistic, however, doesn’t compare two similarly situated co-workers of different sexes, working in the same industry, performing the same work, for the same number of hours a day. It merely reflects the median earnings of all men and women classified as full-time workers.

The Department of Labor’s Time Use Survey, for example, finds that the average full-time working man spends 8.14 hours a day on the job, compared to 7.75 hours for the full-time working woman. Employees who work more likely earn more. Men working five percent longer than women alone explains about one-quarter of the wage gap.

There are numerous other factors that affect pay. Most fundamentally, men and women tend to gravitate toward different industries. Feminists may charge that women are socialized into lower-paying sectors of the economy. But women considering the decisions they’ve made likely have a different view. Women tend to seek jobs with regular hours, more comfortable conditions, little travel, and greater personal fulfillment. Often times, women are willing to trade higher pay for jobs with other characteristics that they find attractive.

Men, in contrast, often take jobs with less desirable characteristics in pursuit of higher pay. They work long hours and overnight shifts. They tar roofs in the sun, drive trucks across the country, toil in sewer systems, stand watch as prison guards, and risk injury on fishing boats, in coal mines, and in production plants. Such jobs pay more than others because otherwise no one would want to do them.

Unsurprisingly, children play an important role in men and women’s work-life decisions. Simply put, women who have children or plan to have children tend to be willing to trade higher pay for more kid-friendly positions. In contrast, men with children typically seek to earn more money in order to support children, sometimes taking on more hours and less attractive positions to do so.

The Washington Post

Quote:

The gender pay gap is not the product of discrimination. ”It’s a staple of feminist rhetoric: Women make less money than men because of discrimination…Here’s the truth you won’t hear: The pay gap is exaggerated, discrimination doesn’t drive it and it’s not clear that government can eliminate it — or should even try…[Conservative economist Diana Furchtgott-Roth] points out that part of the gap reflects the fact that women, on average, work fewer hours than men…Furchtgott-Roth cites a 2005 study by economists June O’Neill and Dave O’Neill, which found that for the most part ‘the gender gap is attributable to choices made by women concerning the amount of time and energy to devote to a career.’ They continue: ‘There is no gender gap in wages among men and women with similar family roles.’” Ramesh Ponnuru in Bloomberg.

Rape Culture

Everyday Sociology

Quote:

Males are more likely to be victims of violence than females

Aspiring Economist

Quote:

My university recently hosted a forum on rape for female college students. They emphasized that rape is a serious issue on campus using statistics. Fact: 1 in 4 college women have either been raped or suffered attempted rape. At least that is what women’s centers at colleges around the United States claim. That’s scary high. Too high. I was suspicious. I care quite a bit about a few college women. How much danger are they in? I decided to check out the figure.

Fortunately, it is bogus.

More notably, I found this interesting critique of the study by Christina Sommers of Clark University. She notes that the study asked students:
Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn’t want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?

An affirmative answer was counted as rape. In other words, a women who regretted a one night stand after a night of drinking was considered as having been sexually assaulted. The ambiguous nature of the questions and inclusive definition of rape is evident from the following statistics. Only 27 percent of the women Koss counted as having been raped identified themselves as rape victims. Moreover, 42 percent of labeled rape victims, went on to have sex with their attackers at a later date. Clearly, something is wrong. If we just consider women who considered themselves to be raped, the figure falls to a more believable 1/14.

Community Voices

Quote:

You can not have an article on sexual assault in college, of course, without a solemn invocation of that infamous, oft-repeated, almost-as-oft-debunked One-in-Four statistic. The Trib does not disappoint:

The National Sexual Violence Research Center in Enola, northwest of Harrisburg, estimates 20 percent to 25 percent of women are victims of forced sex during their time in college.

But where the Trib, like everyone else who uncritically accepts this uncritical notion, does disappoint is in its failure to acknowledge that the numbers do not add up. And, in fact, that they do not even come close.

As a supplement to that same article, the Trib published a Campus Safety sidebar that provided a list of reported sexual assault offenses for eight local colleges over the past three years. All told, there were 65. 65. At 8 colleges. Among tens of thousands of female students. Over 3 years.

At the University of Pittsburgh, there are roughly 14,800 female students. If their chances of being sexually assaulted are 1-in-4, there should be about 3,700 sexual assaults each year. In 2009, the most recent year for which full statistics are available, Pitt students reported 4.

At Carnegie Mellon University, there are roughly 3,900 female students. If their chances of being sexually assaulted are 1-in-4, there should be about 975 sexual assaults each year. In 2009, CMU reported 6. (That figure was a three-year high.)

At Duquesne University, there are roughly 5,700 female students. If their chances of being sexually assaulted are 1-in-4, there should be about 1,425 sexual assaults each year. In 2009, Duquesne reported 3.

Just to be clear, and so those numbers stand out, here are the total number of reported sexual assaults for each of the three campuses in 2009, followed in parentheses by the numbers those universities should have suffered, according to the 1-in-4 figure:

PITT: 4 (3,700)
CMU: 6 (975)
DUQ: 3 (1,425)

Which means that, instead of 1-in-4, their chances of being sexually assaulted in 2009 were:

PITT: 1-in-3,700.
CMU: 1-in-650.
DUQ: 1-in-1,900.

There is, of course, a widely reported (if virtually unverifiable) statistic that says 90 percent of sexual assaults go unreported. The Trib piece took note:

90 percent or more of those victims do not report the assault.

If we grant that claim and adjust the numbers, then here are the total number of sexual assaults that occurred in 2009, followed in parentheses by the numbers those universities should have suffered, according to the 1-in-4 figure:

PITT: 40 (3,700)
CMU: 60 (975)
DUQ: 30 (1,425)

Which means that, even if we grant the 90%-are-unreported figure, women’s chances of being sexually assaulted while attending those universities in 2009 were not 1-in-4 but:

PITT: 1-in-370
CMU: 1-in-65
DUQ: 1-in-190

Is it possible that these numbers are just anomalies? That they represent a down year for sexual assaults on these local campuses, one that is not indicative of a typical year?

Not according to the crime statistics published for the past three years.

In 2009, Pitt reported 4, CMU 6, Duquesne 3. For the period 2007-2009, Pitt averaged 3.33 per year. CMU averaged 4 per year. Duquesne averaged 1.33 per year.

Which means that, in each case and on each campus, the three-year average was lower than the 2009 figure.

If we use those three-year averages, women’s chances of being sexually assaulted while attending those universities from 2007-2009 were not 1-in-4 but:

PIT: 1-in-4,444
CMU: 1-in-975
DUQ: 1-in-4,285

If you combine all of the crime statistics for Pitt, CMU, and Duquesne — again, the city’s three most populous urban campuses — and run an average for 2009 (which, as we’ve already seen, is above the most recent three-year average), here’s what you get:

# of Female Students: 24,400
# of Reported Sexual Assaults: 13
Chances of Being Sexually Assaulted: 1-in-1,877.

IF you accept the claim that 90% of college sexual assaults are not reported, you get:

# of Female Students: 24,400
# of Reported Sexual Assaults: 130
Chances of Being Sexually Assaulted: 1-in-188.

Reproductive Health

The National Review

Quote:



Myth #2: “If you receive federal funding you have to comply by federal rules. You can’t have your cake and eat it too!”
Truth: The mandate forces every group health plan in America to cover these drugs whether the group gets federal funds or not. There is no opt-out. The government is making religious groups choose between offering services they believe to be immoral or closing their doors. That would have the terrible consequences of withdrawing charitable religious organizations from our country’s social safety net. Who will bear the brunt of this backwards policy? The poor, the homeless, the sick and the hungry.

Myth #5:The federal mandate actually protects women’s health because it increases access to free birth control.
Truth: Access isn’t the issue. 9 out of 10 employer-based insurance plans already cover these services. There is no need for the government to force religious groups to provide these services against their religious convictions.

Media Portrayal

The Guardian

Quote:

Germany's top-selling women's magazine is considering abandoning its use of amateur models barely two years after deciding to banish professional ones.

Furthermore, the publicity gained by abandoning models appears to have done little for the bottom line. Sales have continued to slide, down from 801,574 in 2002 to 601,696 today.

The Telegraph

Quote:

A leading German woman's magazine that wanted to promote "real women" instead of professional models is considering abandoning the policy owing to falling sales.

The "real women" policy has also failed to garner the universal acclaim Brigitte's publishers may have expected. While many welcomed its introduction others queried how it was possible to define what a "real" looked like, and complained that the definition insulted thin women.

The "micro aggression" thing is more a case of whether you consider it offensive to call a guy a pussy or a member of either sex a bitch when their behaviour doesn't match their biologically predetermined gender roles.

^must watch

His media portrayal rant didn't have much facts to even debunk. I googled his 70% of TV characters are male thing, nothing came up. The Bechdel Test examples on the internet are dominated by male oriented action and sci-fi movies.


Alison Bechdel, feminist.

I wonder how the test would fare with the same criteria for men in movies with a female target audience, although personally I don't give two shits whether the Blechdel test holds up in the reversed situation or not.

Too Large for Forum: Feminism = Bullshit Poster
^Squint and read the Divorce and Fatherhood statistics in particular

[Excelsior]

^
Seriously:

[Deluge]

It'd be useful to memorize that 1 in 1,877 statistic just in case you make the mistake of arguing with a feminist.

[j r]

I tried to watch, but only made it to a little past the one-minute mark. It's full of spurious arguments and gay/chick logic.

The one that stuck out to me was the line a out treating rape like a joke. This is a best guess but I'm going to say, conservatively, that at least three-quarters of all the rape jokes I've heard in my life are about men getting raped in prison.

These days whenever anyone tries to make these arguments about rape to me in real life I just bring up shit like the Scottsboro boys. People only think about lynching as a racism issue. It barely gets mention that this sort of shit happened in the name of protecting women. Fuck, the entire town of Rosewood, Florida was wiped off the map, because some women made a false rape claim to hide an affair. Does that sound like a culture that takes rape lightly?

[dk902]

Who needs equality, when we have Strong, Independent Women™ to look after us and save us in our time of need?

[Blaster]

(10-02-2012 10:23 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

Imagine what kind of pussy that guy is getting, assuming he's straight.

That guy shorted out my gaydar. Odds that he's straight are about 0%.

[Ramon Zarate]

(10-03-2012 07:46 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

^Squint and read the Divorce and Fatherhood statistics in particular

Well done sir. Feminists can shut up now. Bless this post.

[Goldin Boy]

(10-04-2012 01:27 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 10:23 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

Imagine what kind of pussy that guy is getting, assuming he's straight.

That guy shorted out my gaydar. Odds that he's straight are about 0%.

That why this video confused me: Him and his husband have full rights so why does he care? All I learned was you don't need to like pussy to be a White Knight.

[WesternCancer]

(10-04-2012 01:19 PM)dk902 Wrote:  

Who needs equality, when we have Strong, Independent Women™ to look after us and save us in our time of need?

I was in line at a coffee shop and told this girl to meet me there. She asks if I could buy her a coffee (can't get in the line) and she would pay me back after. I get her a coffee and as we're drinking it she takes her money out I say "just get it next time" she tells me "ok, but I don't like owing men anything, it makes me feel dependent and weak"

SO to be a strong independent woman you have to care this much about how you will be percieved by other people. By constantly trying to live up to the Strong, Independent Women™ moniker they enslave themselves as they are living for the approval of other people.

[Duke Castile]

Pdog,

I watched all 7 of those Brainwash videos. Man it was really well done and I'm glad I took the time to check those out. A buddy of mine is a geneticist and I can't wait to talk to him about the implications of genes. He's away at the moment doing research but, thanks for posting that.

[Deluge]

(10-05-2012 10:29 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Pdog,

I watched all 7 of those Brainwash videos. Man it was really well done and I'm glad I took the time to check those out. A buddy of mine is a geneticist and I can't wait to talk to him about the implications of genes. He's away at the moment doing research but, thanks for posting that.

Every forum member needs to watch them. Cannot recommend them enough.

This is the other game-related one:

[Duke Castile]

Yeah I took notes on that. Women have short term casual sex with the man they think has the best genes they can get.