[Dalaran1991]

(03-15-2016 03:43 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

I've been dancing for years, and girls are frequently telling me how guys that they just met are very eager to rub their pole against them when they first meet (on the first or second dance), and because it is so common, I doubt that it is a very good strategy (except after you already have good feedback from the chick that she is into you).

Yes bachata is a very close dance, but you should still be able to dance it without attempting to rub a boner into the chick that will likely get a bit freaked out.

Agree JJG, rubbing your boner at girls is the lowliest act in a dance... and every paupers low life does it it's annoying to the girls at best. There's a time and place for that exactly like you said, to escalate things. But if you have to do that I find caressing the small of their backs, ass or whisper things into their years much more seductive.

I missed the movement of salsa but I dont miss salsa dancing in general. The music just dont hype me up anymore. And yes bachata girls are way hotter and younger. Why I left salsa in the first place

I'm looking to incorporate salsa combos into bachata. Get your creative juices flowing when you have to adapt a 6-steps series to the 8-steps bachata.

But again, I do bachata because I love the music and when dancing I'm almost in a trance. I think it helps add some tension/intensity to the dance.

Anyway, this has been said before but just to repeat again: no matter your skill at game/dance, if you are gaming in dance get your hygene right. When her face is resting aside yours this is the difference between blue balls or balls deep.

[monster]

I was thinking of taking dance lessons...but why salsa?

It seems that something like West Coast swing is a lot more adaptable to your regular night clubs?

[JayJuanGee]

(03-16-2016 08:21 AM)monster Wrote:  

I was thinking of taking dance lessons...but why salsa?

It seems that something like West Coast swing is a lot more adaptable to your regular night clubs?

Well, it is a bit strange that this thread is approaching 4 years old, yet no matter what there is going to be some regionalisms that could affect the dance learning choices of guys concerning which kinds of dance may work better in that area for socializing purposes, and learning some kinds of dance skills are going to be more transferrable than others into other dance forms (whether they have solo components or partnering).

From my little knowledge, swing does seem to have more freeflowing possibilities than salsa... yet I don't really like the swing music, but that's just me.

[monster]

(03-16-2016 11:44 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

From my little knowledge, swing does seem to have more freeflowing possibilities than salsa... yet I don't really like the swing music, but that's just me.

I think "swing" just refers to the basic footwork patterns, not the type of music anymore. West coast swing is certainly not danced to jitterbug music, but to all the pop stuff on the charts.

[Khan]

Don't forget another useful thing about learning salsa (and dancing in general) - your dancing skill makes for an excellent bait when talking to women.

"You're from Brazil? A girl from my salsa class visited Brazil this summer and she absolutely loved it."

When women hear something like this, more often than not they'll suddenly become very interested in your dancing skills. I'm not sure why women hold men who can dance in high regard, but this certainly is a powerful tool in a player's arsenal that should be used as often as possible.

[JayJuanGee]

(03-16-2016 12:12 PM)monster Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 11:44 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

From my little knowledge, swing does seem to have more freeflowing possibilities than salsa... yet I don't really like the swing music, but that's just me.

I think "swing" just refers to the basic footwork patterns, not the type of music anymore. West coast swing is certainly not danced to jitterbug music, but to all the pop stuff on the charts.

Actually, good point... regarding music variability in swing.

Probably, I rushed a bit in making my earlier statement regarding not liking the music.... because sometimes bad music could just be due to a mediocre DJ...

By the way, I just watched the video link that you provided earlier, and yes they have a good connection in that clip and the guy leads a lot of potentially versatile moves that could be employed in a lot of other situations.. His timing is good, the connection is good and none of his lead seems too forced... Each of those two dancers likely has more than 10 years of dancing under each of their belts.... and the song is very regular with a nice steady beat.... which helps to make a good connection.. Seems pretty obvious that the girl is able to easily follow his various leads, which does not necessarily mean that they have danced together previously.

The guy just may have a lot of decent transition leads that flow well when a girl follows fairly effortlessly. Frequently, more and more dance experience will cause a leader to improve skills and to be able to transition from one move to the next without causing awkwardness...... And, even some awkwardness can be fun sometimes.. .

[JayJuanGee]

(03-16-2016 01:17 PM)Khan Wrote:  

Don't forget another useful thing about learning salsa (and dancing in general) - your dancing skill makes for an excellent bait when talking to women.

"You're from Brazil? A girl from my salsa class visited Brazil this summer and she absolutely loved it."

When women hear something like this, more often than not they'll suddenly become very interested in your dancing skills. I'm not sure why women hold men who can dance in high regard, but this certainly is a powerful tool in a player's arsenal that should be used as often as possible.

Dancing skills can transform an otherwise mediocre guy into a star in some circles (or situations).

One thing about salsa, that can cause girls' juices to flow, is if the girl feels as if you are causing her to appear much more gifted in the dance department than she otherwise feels that she is.

There can be a fine balance between making the girl look good, and over doing it, and gaming skills will come into play in order to be able to identify situations that are opportunities and then to be able to advance upon those situations if the guy is inclined towards advancing.

[Slam]

(03-16-2016 02:31 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 01:17 PM)Khan Wrote:  

Don't forget another useful thing about learning salsa (and dancing in general) - your dancing skill makes for an excellent bait when talking to women.

"You're from Brazil? A girl from my salsa class visited Brazil this summer and she absolutely loved it."

When women hear something like this, more often than not they'll suddenly become very interested in your dancing skills. I'm not sure why women hold men who can dance in high regard, but this certainly is a powerful tool in a player's arsenal that should be used as often as possible.

Dancing skills can transform an otherwise mediocre guy into a star in some circles (or situations).

One thing about salsa, that can cause girls' juices to flow, is if the girl feels as if you are causing her to appear much more gifted in the dance department than she otherwise feels that she is...

These are great points. Dancing is an overall positive.

Learning to dance just reinforces the fact that you want to get a woman to FEEL something, to FEEL good / amazing / sexy. If you learn the right moves, you can definitely give her tingles. And once you get really good, a song can be a short 'adventure' you take her on.

But, as previous posters said, at the end of the day a lot of it will be cockteasers and blue balls.

Also +1 for the hottest girls going to instructors, they have dance game AND status within the scene. They dominate. I've seen this in many cities and countries.

[eatthishomie]

I'm learning salsa now. Been at it for a few months. Been also dancing bachata for about 6 months.

The learning curve is very steep. Anyone who is just in it to get laid isn't going to last long.

I find it enjoyable for other reasons and it does help with getting laid. It also has great cognitive benefits - studies have shown that people who participate in structured partner dances are more likely to stave off dementia in old age.

Salsa dance nights also attract a better quality of women than your average grinding and fist pumping bar or club, and you won't get blown out as often. Most women will at least dance with you for one song.

Salsa, bachata, tango, foxtrot, and other structured partner dances are dances where men lead and women follow, by their very design. These dances are patriarchal as a muthafucka and that's one of the things I love about them. Feminists and "independent womyn" tend to shy away from activities where men lead and women follow. Ergo structured partner dances generally attract women who actually enjoy being women.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-10-2016 05:40 PM)Slam Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 02:31 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 01:17 PM)Khan Wrote:  

Don't forget another useful thing about learning salsa (and dancing in general) - your dancing skill makes for an excellent bait when talking to women.

"You're from Brazil? A girl from my salsa class visited Brazil this summer and she absolutely loved it."

When women hear something like this, more often than not they'll suddenly become very interested in your dancing skills. I'm not sure why women hold men who can dance in high regard, but this certainly is a powerful tool in a player's arsenal that should be used as often as possible.

Dancing skills can transform an otherwise mediocre guy into a star in some circles (or situations).

One thing about salsa, that can cause girls' juices to flow, is if the girl feels as if you are causing her to appear much more gifted in the dance department than she otherwise feels that she is...

These are great points. Dancing is an overall positive.

Learning to dance just reinforces the fact that you want to get a woman to FEEL something, to FEEL good / amazing / sexy. If you learn the right moves, you can definitely give her tingles. And once you get really good, a song can be a short 'adventure' you take her on.

Yep... The dance scene can also be filled with a lot of unique and varied adventures on an ongoing basis.

Sometimes, it can be a bit frustrating, for example, to have a girlfriend in the dance scene, which has been the case for me in the past year and half or so....

In my case, I still go dancing a couple of times a week, and sometimes the girlfriend can be a bit of an issue for me.

On Friday, for example, I danced with 4 chicks that were new to the dance scene and extremely flirty and fuckable... I don't know whether any of them would have materialized into some kind of success if I had not had the ties of the girlfriend, but I did make a mental note because the number on that night was a bit higher than the usual 1 or 2 that I run into on any given night, and sometimes not even 1.

Another little example was on Friday, I saw a guy standing next to my GF and he was kind of chatting with her from a few feet distance. I usually leave my GF alone when she is chatting with guys in the dance place, but in this situation, it did not look like the guy was preparing to ask her to dance, so I walked up and the guy walked away as soon as he saw me approaching. My GF later told me that the guy never dances with her, but his first question is always about whether she still has a boyfriend, and if she did not have a boyfriend, then he would dance with her. My GF will dance with almost any guy, yet she joked with me and said that just from her talking with the guy, she could tell that he kind of stinks anyhow, so she did not consider his boycott of her to be any kind of loss. My point here is that I consider such a guy to be a bit ridiculous in his thinking about dancing, because he would probably be better off dancing with my GF in order to attempt to attract other girls, if that is really his ultimate goal because they will see him and improve his chances... but some guys seem to have self-limiting logic in their manner of employing and working on improving their dance skills.

(07-10-2016 05:40 PM)Slam Wrote:  

But, as previous posters said, at the end of the day a lot of it will be cockteasers and blue balls.

Of course, location does have some affect on the ratios of men to women and ultimately the extent to which you are going to be able to run across bangable chicks in the social dance scene, versus developing skills and bringing chicks to the scene.

If all that you value is the bang, then there are probably better places to achieve those goals with less time and efforts.

(07-10-2016 05:40 PM)Slam Wrote:  

Also +1 for the hottest girls going to instructors, they have dance game AND status within the scene. They dominate. I've seen this in many cities and countries.

Of course, the higher your level of skills, the more that you can work those skills to your advantage, yet merely because some guys have advantages should not result in a defeatist mindset in regards to whether you either believe that you are interested in building these kinds of dance skills and/or spending some of your time in salsa social dance circles (and/or other places in which you can employ those dance skills after you have developed and honed some of them).

[JayJuanGee]

(07-10-2016 06:09 PM)eatthishomie Wrote:  

Salsa dance nights also attract a better quality of women than your average grinding and fist pumping bar or club, and you won't get blown out as often. Most women will at least dance with you for one song.

Actually, this is a decent point that is not made too often in respect to the overall atmosphere of social dance places.

Sometimes, if you are kind of new to the social dance scene, it may seem, by mere appearances, that women are a bit stand-off-ish, and the place is a bit clicky, but if you are not shy and you are willing to approach and to strike up conversations, many women will dance with guys who are very beginner levels, and may even be fairly receptive to other chatting up attempts, so long as you are decent at coming up with topics or playing along with her topics... so really can be decent gaming practice territory in a variety of ways, even if your dancing skills are in a rudimentary development stage.

[JuanQuinQuin]

Do it!

After my last LTR of 6 years, I decided to go in and take Salsa classes, NY style which is easier than the Cuban Style and it is the style that is most danced in the US. Oh boy, Salsa wont give you confidence but it sure is a good complement to any man's game.

Want to break the Ice? Take her to the dance floor and Salsa.
Run Out of things to Say because anxiety? Take her to the dance floor and Salsa.
Want a good circle of Friends to hang out and go to Salsa Socials and meet Cougars? Go to Salsa

I should say this, if you go, enjoy yourself, do not see it as something that is going to give you Confidence to go after the ladies because it will not. But sure as hell Salsa will give you one of the best tools in your game arsenal. If you go to South America you will clean the house with less game and effort.

Two of my last plates have come from Salsa. One from the Social Salsa scene, and the other at a Latin Salsa Club. If you are in Houston, NY, Miami, LA, or Chicago, Salsa Dancing as hobby will open a couple of doors to meet cool and very interesting people from all walks of life.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-11-2016 08:50 PM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  

After my last LTR of 6 years, I decided to go in and take Salsa classes, NY style which is easier than the Cuban Style and it is the style that is most danced in the US.

Probably, you should learn the style that is most common in your area or where you intend to travel.

I tend to think of NY style as on 2 and quite a bit of footwork and separation dancing.

Cuban style is probably quite popular in Miami, includes circular but also some tendencies towards rueda in miami, and possibly other parts of Florida will also have dominant cuban style circles.

LA style is on 1 and a lot of partner dancing and less footwork.

Big cities will have scenes may include different styles, but also may have predominant styles, yet the girl follows the guy, so if she is complaining about your style, she may either merely be a complainer or just not used to your style, but if you can lead fairly well girls will still be able to follow your style and may even find your style interesting if you are traveling to a new area in which they don't really dance your style..

There may be some presentation skills too, in terms of how well you present your style to the girl in order that she can either attempt to follow or be willing to follow.

[papaiela]

I just got home from a salsa/latin music event. I overestimated my dancing skills, people really know how to dance. I've been taking classes for 6 months now but haven't been to salsa venues I went to sausage fest night clubs instead... Try to go to salsa venues as soon as you start so you get used to the dancefloor!

As people said previously, there's no downside to salsa.. Better body language, dancing skills and you learn how to hold eye contact with women.. Plus it's a good place to meet feminine girls.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-11-2016 10:23 PM)papaiela Wrote:  

I just got home from a salsa/latin music event. I overestimated my dancing skills, people really know how to dance. I've been taking classes for 6 months now but haven't been to salsa venues I went to sausage fest night clubs instead... Try to go to salsa venues as soon as you start so you get used to the dancefloor!

As people said previously, there's no downside to salsa.. Better body language, dancing skills and you learn how to hold eye contact with women.. Plus it's a good place to meet feminine girls.

I've been dancing salsa for about 14 years, and in the first couple of years, I took a lot of classes, and I was continuously engaging in a variety of methods to study and to memorize moves and to practice and to improve. In the first couple of years, it was a lot more difficult to continuously dance when going to a new venue with unknown girls, but as you get better and better, it gets easier to dance more and then after a while, you can also begin to make up your own variations of moves and to figure out moves that work (that may or may not be used by other guys).

Actually, even though I have been dancing a long time, I still recognize that there are a whole hell-of-a lot of varieties in dance moves, and you are going to kind of develop your own style.. and just because another guy does some moves that fit his style, those moves may or may not fit your style for wherever you are at at the time.

Additionally, sometimes, I may have learned moves early in my dance classes and training, but then I may not be able to comfortably execute those dance moves until several years later.. for some reason, I could not get the moves to fit, but then I later find ways to get those moves to work and also sometimes create individualized variations of the moves that I had previously imagined to be difficult, impossible or impractical for social dancing.

Actually, these days, sometimes for fun, I will decide to execute really advance moves with fairly beginner girls, just for shits and giggles... but generally, as a personal rule, I don't lead beginner girls into advance moves until I get her first to synchronize with me in a variety of ways and then make some preliminary assessments that she is going to largely be able to follow the more advanced moves.

[papaiela]

Thank you for the valuable advice JJW.

I noticed something pretty interesting tonight, whenever the Kizomba songs would start guys would be leaving the dancefloor to girls lol. I feel like more girls dance kizomba than guys. Is this a trend? Or just a coincidence?

I was watching this girl dance Kizomba and it was so feminine, sensual and yet sexual. My African eye kept staring at her ass while my middle eastern eye went for the belly thinking of belly dancers. The way she coordinated the 2 was just beautiful, a mix of Jasmin from Aladdin and Beyonce.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-11-2016 11:23 PM)papaiela Wrote:  

Thank you for the valuable advice JJW.

I noticed something pretty interesting tonight, whenever the Kizomba songs would start guys would be leaving the dancefloor to girls lol. I feel like more girls dance kizomba than guys. Is this a trend? Or just a coincidence?

I was watching this girl dance Kizomba and it was so feminine, sensual and yet sexual. My African eye kept staring at her ass while my middle eastern eye went for the belly thinking of belly dancers. The way she coordinated the 2 was just beautiful, a mix of Jasmin from Aladdin and Beyonce.

So far, they do not play Kizomba in my area (which is Los Angeles).

When I first started dancing, they did not play Bachata either, and Bachata became a lot more prevalent in the past 8 years or so.

Actually when I first started dancing, I would usually not dance the merengues because they seemed too close, and I was still working on my salsa and I did not have too many good moves for merengue. The same is true for me with Bachata. At first, I would sit out the bachatas; however, now I dance the bachatas and the merengues and I have expanded my moves (mostly by making shit up because I never formally learned merengue and bachata moves, except for the basics).

I think that Kizomba can be kind of similar to merengue and bachata in that you can work on various moves that will work for that and then get comfortable, and maybe even the girls feel more comfortable with Kizomba because they practice at home in front of the mirrors and then are not afraid to get on the floor with their girlfriends... but yeah, as you get more and more comfortable with any dance and you begin to build some moves, then you can build upon moves that you know and then just practice and after a while start to act like you are some kind of expert (and no one will know the difference as long as you can fake it well enough and then faking the expertness will turn the skills into a reality... hahahahahaha)

[JayJuanGee]

I think that this thread deserves a little bit of a bump.

It is a great theme, whether it is salsa dance lessons or some other kind of lessons related to other dance styles.

I am particularly interested in latin style dance, and most of my lessens in salsa, cha cha cha, merengue and bachata were in the 2002 to 2005 time-frame, yet every once in a while I take additional lessons and I also teach dance (currently my teaching of salsa etc... is a bit sporadic and just mostly I use it as a means to bond with chicks and then hopefully bang them down the road, if it works into that direction)

Surely with dance, you can convert from a student to a teacher - although, it could take quite a few dance lessons under your belt before you can kind of graduate to teacher status (or at least a credible teacher status). Also, when you are learning dance, girls seem to really like to learn along with you or to go over the dance moves that you are learning.

I tend to be a kind of serial monogamist in my relationships, and likely because dance has been one of my main hobbies over the past 15 years, the large majority of my bangs and my relationships with chicks have involved dance.

I also get pretty excited to enter into any new relationship because once a chick starts to bang you, and that is one of the most exciting parts of the relationship is getting the bang and then increasing the intensity, and maybe the first 4-6 months tend to be the most memorable and the stories bout getting the first several bangs - because sometimes even the subsequent bangs (after the first one) can be difficult to manuever to get the chick into the bang habit... hahahaha

I'm in my early 50s, and the latest chick that I am banging is 26.. so she has been a bit difficult and maybe even worse because she kind of acts like a teenager - but maybe it is my old age causing me to wonder why she is so prudish about sex.. she has baggage and lot's of purity conceptions about sex, and i am trying to work her through these matters, but she keeps relapsing into a kind of prude status.

Sure dancing is very helpful with her.

A couple of months ago, I started giving her private dance lessons for "free" (supposedly free), and recently, I graduated her to going out to dance venues with me (which she is having some difficulties keeping up with the faster speed of the music at the dance venues.

Many times dance venues will attract new dancers (and customers of course) by offering "free" dance lessons included with the entry to the dance venue. So, my chick and I arrive early at the dance venue last Saturday night, and I kind of forgot about the free dance lesson, and we are walking around the venue, and I am showing her the place, since it was her first time at that location, and we see that they are giving bachata dance lessons.

There is a chick teaching the dance lesson, and she is teaching something very basic, and we are watching for a bit, and I ask my gal if she wants to join in, and at first she is a bit shy, but as we go through the very basic dance lesson, my chick gets so giggly and excited, and sure we use the whole thing as a kind of joke and flirtation, and part of her fun is watching me try to learn what the teacher chick is teaching, and part of my fun is repeating over and over how stupid the dance move is and how impractical You see part of my theory is that the chick teachers are not really very used to leading, and sometimes they will teach dance moves that are not very smooth and they do not flow together very well. Sure my chick and I go through the whole class and my chick is giddy as hell, so it is all fun for me to get her juices flowing because of the class, and whenever we reference anything about the night, she continues to bring up how much fun she had during that stupid-ass basic dance class. hahahahaha.. all fine with me and when the chick gets all giddy and exited, it seems to make it somewhat easier (though not a slam dunk) to get the bang by the end of the night.

[beeftek]

(03-04-2016 08:53 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

Well, the first rule of the salsa classes is the hottest chicks in the class will get banged by an instructor (happened to me had a girl interested, suddenly fell of the radar to see her hand in hand with an instructor. This would happen every few months. But don't hate the player...

So, if you think you'll have a leverage in salsa classes, I'm going to disappoint you - all the guys try to get some there so it's a level playing field. And the girls love getting extra attention there just as much as they love to dance. However, this can be a good way of expanding a social circle and getting to know girlfriends of girls attending salsa classes.

This is super true! The current girl I'm dating now was getting banged by her former tango instructor for 3 years before we met. Now, I secretly harbor a feeling that she's a woman of questionable morals, since there was no formal "boyfriend/girlfriend" relationship during those 3 years.

But yeah, don't hate the player. Just pick up girls like this, bang them and set 'em loose or date them for a year or two as long as it's fun, then find yourself a respectable girl who wouldn't put herself in situations like that.

Good luck!

[treypound]

(12-27-2017 07:32 AM)beeftek Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 08:53 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

Well, the first rule of the salsa classes is the hottest chicks in the class will get banged by an instructor (happened to me had a girl interested, suddenly fell of the radar to see her hand in hand with an instructor. This would happen every few months. But don't hate the player...

So, if you think you'll have a leverage in salsa classes, I'm going to disappoint you - all the guys try to get some there so it's a level playing field. And the girls love getting extra attention there just as much as they love to dance. However, this can be a good way of expanding a social circle and getting to know girlfriends of girls attending salsa classes.

This is super true! The current girl I'm dating now was getting banged by her former tango instructor for 3 years before we met. Now, I secretly harbor a feeling that she's a woman of questionable morals, since there was no formal "boyfriend/girlfriend" relationship during those 3 years.

But yeah, don't hate the player. Just pick up girls like this, bang them and set 'em loose or date them for a year or two as long as it's fun, then find yourself a respectable girl who wouldn't put herself in situations like that.

Good luck!

She is a woman of questionable morals, so you should feel that way. That being said, act accordingly.

[BadgerHut]

Fuck yeah you should, or at least some kind of social dance lesson. The social and interpersonal skills needed for that kind of dance will be a test of your game, plus it's fun and many girls really like to do it so it's another angle to influence women's emotions positively.

If you haven't done a lot of dance before, I'd advise to mentally "wall off" the idea of gaming anybody at the class/dance club for a while. Simply learn, and dance with the girls. Think of it like yoga, if they get the idea you are there to pick up on the girls they'll put their bitch shields a mile high...if you work your way into the community, then the comfort will precede you.

[ElFlaco]

I've tried to learn partner dancing, various styles. Some of us are born without the gene, I think. I once took private salsa lessons. Group classes are more fun.

[FernandoPF]

After 3 months of running salsa game, I have gotten one lay (entering a mini-relationship), one heavy make out and one recent kissing.

This is proving to be quicker than my daygame efforts. The main reason? I am not only going to salsa classes / parties... I am TEACHING salsa (and bachata) to young girls >>> social circle game

Coming back to the former question on this post:
- If you plan to go to salsa parties, then definitively take a salsa lesson on site. Just pick one school, even if it is not the best... do not go to several schools at the same time, because you will get confused! Once you are done with improver/intermediate, practice a lot at parties and take online videos if you want.
- If you plan to go to regular clubs, consider learning bachata sensual (not "bachata traditional") and use if with modern music. The learning process described above applies.

I got surprised that no much content has been posted around salsa game lately. Thus, I started sharing my experience through my game journal: thread-72010.html