[Deif]

1. No personality - I have never come across a girl who was vivid, insightful, or interested in something outside of her own narrow, boring-as-hell life. I don't necessarily want an intellectual girl, just somebody who is self-aware and cognizant of the outside world. I think a lot of the reason why American girls are so fat is because they literally have no concept of self-awareness.

2. No loyalty - Women are so hilariously competitive with one another that, when I do bother to listen to them talk, it's almost always about her degrading other women in the vicinity, her roommates, friends, sisters, mom, etc. It's not uncommon for a girl I met 10 minutes prior to reveal some deep dark secret her friend holds.

One girl I met at a bar told me about how the friend she'd come with had had two miscarriages after drinking the fetuses (that she had no idea were in her uterus) to death.

3. No honor - A girl will almost never own up to her mistakes unless you really work to ply it out of her and, if it comes down to that, she's no longer worth gaming for sex.

4. They are parasitical - Women act entirely through men. Most girls these days grow up without fathers so, to compensate, they lure large, muscular dudes with their vaginas to serve as attack dogs. I've seen so many women start shit just because they know that a boyfriend, beta orbiter, bouncer, etc. will come to their rescue should they fuck with the wrong person or group.

That's why women are so into muscular, hyper-masculine guys these days. The lack of fathers in these girls' lives means that they grow up in an environment where they lack protection and will thus grow up in a constant state of fear. This reflects itself later in life as a desire for the biggest, baddest dude around even if he makes minimum wage as a bouncer at a bar.

5. They are delusional - How many times have you seen a girl with waistline chub sitting at a cafe, standing at the bar, or walking down the street with this smug, self-assured look on her face? I see girls who I'd rate 5's and 6's walking around like they're 8's and 9's. It's so pathetic that you can see practically see the physical manifestation of their delusion as an imp laughing hysterically as it jabs the backs of their skulls with a syringe full of liquid cocaine.

If I was born a malicious man, I'd actually make it a point to destroy their hamster, wheel and all, whenever it was placed so gratuitously on display.

Given all of these factors, I would never be able to befriend a girl. I can never value them for something outside of their sexuality because that's all they offer. You can't even use girls to stroke your ego these days because they're so deluded that they think they can compete with men.

[TheIndifferent]

(09-13-2012 04:01 PM)Deif Wrote:  

1. No personality - I have never come across a girl who was vivid, insightful, or interested in something outside of her own narrow, boring-as-hell life. I don't necessarily want an intellectual girl, just somebody who is self-aware and cognizant of the outside world. I think a lot of the reason why American girls are so fat is because they literally have no concept of self-awareness.

2. No loyalty - Women are so hilariously competitive with one another that, when I do bother to listen to them talk, it's almost always about her degrading other women in the vicinity, her roommates, friends, sisters, mom, etc. It's not uncommon for a girl I met 10 minutes prior to reveal some deep dark secret her friend holds.

One girl I met at a bar told me about how the friend she'd come with had had two miscarriages after drinking the fetuses (that she had no idea were in her uterus) to death.

3. No honor - A girl will almost never own up to her mistakes unless you really work to ply it out of her and, if it comes down to that, she's no longer worth gaming for sex.

4. They are parasitical - Women act entirely through men. Most girls these days grow up without fathers so, to compensate, they lure large, muscular dudes with their vaginas to serve as attack dogs. I've seen so many women start shit just because they know that a boyfriend, beta orbiter, bouncer, etc. will come to their rescue should they fuck with the wrong person or group.

That's why women are so into muscular, hyper-masculine guys these days. The lack of fathers in these girls' lives means that they grow up in an environment where they lack protection and will thus grow up in a constant state of fear. This reflects itself later in life as a desire for the biggest, baddest dude around even if he makes minimum wage as a bouncer at a bar.

5. They are delusional - How many times have you seen a girl with waistline chub sitting at a cafe, standing at the bar, or walking down the street with this smug, self-assured look on her face? I see girls who I'd rate 5's and 6's walking around like they're 8's and 9's. It's so pathetic that you can see practically see the physical manifestation of their delusion as an imp laughing hysterically as it jabs the backs of their skulls with a syringe full of liquid cocaine.

If I was born a malicious man, I'd actually make it a point to destroy their hamster, wheel and all, whenever it was placed so gratuitously on display.

Given all of these factors, I would never be able to befriend a girl. I can never value them for something outside of their sexuality because that's all they offer. You can't even use girls to stroke your ego these days because they're so deluded that they think they can compete with men.

While I agree with some of your observations, to be totally honest I think your game would be improved if you didn't dislike women so much. You could (as I have) learn a lot from Zan's style of loving women. He's famous for "A man who loves women is loved by women." I'm not saying you have to take it to that extreme but I wouldn't be surprised if your current mindset is hamstringing you. Just trying to help, take it for what it's worth.

[Bacchus]

I agree with your list. Most girls have zero value to me outside of their various holes, and for this reason I don't have female friends. However, I also recognize that girls (especially foreign ones) can contribute to my happiness with their agreeable personalities.

[megatron]

Girls objectify as just as much, maybe even more, on a more complex levels. I just made a thread about this.

But its only sexist when we do it, apparently.

[muc]

(09-13-2012 04:01 PM)Deif Wrote:  

1. No personality - I have never come across a girl who was vivid, insightful, or interested in something outside of her own narrow, boring-as-hell life. I don't necessarily want an intellectual girl, just somebody who is self-aware and cognizant of the outside world. I think a lot of the reason why American girls are so fat is because they literally have no concept of self-awareness.

2. No loyalty - Women are so hilariously competitive with one another that, when I do bother to listen to them talk, it's almost always about her degrading other women in the vicinity, her roommates, friends, sisters, mom, etc. It's not uncommon for a girl I met 10 minutes prior to reveal some deep dark secret her friend holds.

One girl I met at a bar told me about how the friend she'd come with had had two miscarriages after drinking the fetuses (that she had no idea were in her uterus) to death.

3. No honor - A girl will almost never own up to her mistakes unless you really work to ply it out of her and, if it comes down to that, she's no longer worth gaming for sex.

4. They are parasitical - Women act entirely through men. Most girls these days grow up without fathers so, to compensate, they lure large, muscular dudes with their vaginas to serve as attack dogs. I've seen so many women start shit just because they know that a boyfriend, beta orbiter, bouncer, etc. will come to their rescue should they fuck with the wrong person or group.

That's why women are so into muscular, hyper-masculine guys these days. The lack of fathers in these girls' lives means that they grow up in an environment where they lack protection and will thus grow up in a constant state of fear. This reflects itself later in life as a desire for the biggest, baddest dude around even if he makes minimum wage as a bouncer at a bar.

5. They are delusional - How many times have you seen a girl with waistline chub sitting at a cafe, standing at the bar, or walking down the street with this smug, self-assured look on her face? I see girls who I'd rate 5's and 6's walking around like they're 8's and 9's. It's so pathetic that you can see practically see the physical manifestation of their delusion as an imp laughing hysterically as it jabs the backs of their skulls with a syringe full of liquid cocaine.

If I was born a malicious man, I'd actually make it a point to destroy their hamster, wheel and all, whenever it was placed so gratuitously on display.

Given all of these factors, I would never be able to befriend a girl. I can never value them for something outside of their sexuality because that's all they offer. You can't even use girls to stroke your ego these days because they're so deluded that they think they can compete with men.

I think you haven't met a good girl yet. They are out there. Interesting, loyal, cool girls.

[tiggaling]

>I have never come across a girl who was vivid, insightful, or interested in something outside of her own narrow, boring-as-hell life.

That's rough.

I'm assuming you have never explored outside of the U.S.?

Yes, American girls, and indeed Americans in general are regarded as quite narcissistic by those from other cultures.

[AntiTrace]

I would warn anyone of coming to such dire assumptions.

By hating women you will put off a vibe that will only attract the women you hate the most.

There are awesome, down to earth, loyal women out there. You just have to go out and find them. And a bar is a horrible place to start the search for the keepers.

[TheBulldozer]

I think you've taken this aloffness this is often spoken about it and turned it into a disdain for women. I went through this same experience a few years back now. What ended up happening was, I would go from the occasional beta, with sporadic alpha actions, bang because I was always popular, to not banging anyone and women often times calling me a flat out asshole.

I had to internalize the difference between being an asshole and being someone who loved women but would tolerate none of their games, tricks, and place on the pedestal. As Muc says, there really are some pretty decent women out there. I'm going spearfishing with SCUBA gear on this weekend with a pretty badass chick that also happens to love cooking, cleaning, and staying 105 pounds.

[Samseau]

I'm pretty sure most players go through the same stage you're in. I know I was there myself not even two years ago.


It's good to hate on women when you're first starting out on the game. This anger will help you avoid bad beta behavior.

However, the anger dissolved as I got more pussy while the alpha behavior remained. Now I treat all women like objects, but I no longer hate while I do so. I've accepted them much like I accept the behavior of any other animal.

For example, when I see a dog bark at a stranger or a random car going down the street, I might wish the dog would shut the fuck up. But do I get angry at the dog? Of course not, it's just a dumb bitch. I like to tease dogs by offering them food and eating it in front of them at the last second.

Likewise, when I see a girl who who won't stop talking about some banal thing, I might wish she would just shut the fuck up, but do I get angry at her? Of course not, she's just a dumb bitch. I like to tease girls by offering them a drink, and then excusing myself to the bathroom at the last second.


And just as the dog will become more appreciative of my attention and rewards because of my merciless teasing, so too do women give me more attention and sex when I ignore or humiliate them.

But the key is that I can only be the master manipulator when I know beforehand what I'm getting into. When I approach the dog I understand what the dog is as an animal, and when I approach a woman I understand what the woman is as an animal. She will have no loyalty, no honor, no personality, be a total parasite on my time and energy, and be completely delusional.

Since I know what I'm getting before I even make the approach on a woman, it follows I'm the only one who can be held responsible for any displeasure I have with women.


Once I realized that my anger with women was from my own doing, it quickly evaporated as I made the necessary changes to control how and when I interacted with them. I bring only the good parts of woman into my life (attention, sex, and occasional loves) while keeping out the bad (long boring dates, stagnating relationships, and marriage).

I believe any other man can do the same.

[Deif]

The OP are my conclusions reached after gaming Americans girls. I've never run game or tried to hook up with women outside of the United States. I'm not hateful, angry, or sour.

[Tuthmosis]

I have to echo what a lot of the guys are saying above. I love bitching about chicks just as much as the next guy (it's one of my favorite things to do around here), but the truth is that actual anger is the lowest form of alpha behavior. As Samseau said, that's good to start out, but you need to advance into the later stages: detached amusement and, eventually, disinterested acceptance.

Women are creatures governed by their internal programming, just like us--despite what whacko, nature-denialist feminists might have you think or try to force you to suppress. Sure, there's individual variety, but women are responding to their evolutionary instincts in the way they perceive the world, deal with us, and deal with others. I'm not apologizing for the worst specimens, but just telling you it's just as silly to get annoyed at an attention-whoring chick at a bar than a cat scratching your furniture. They have evolutionary imperatives that have adjusted today's realities (bars and soft couches).

It's one thing to be irritated at seeing the same things or at particularly annoying or abundant types (fatties with fattitude in the US), but you have be careful to not allow that to become hatred or rage. For one, it will paralyze your game and, secondly, it's not much different than chicks who fail to understand our own imperatives--to prioritize looks above everything else and seek out as many mates as possible.

I'm not singling the OP out or trying to absolve myself from that type of thinking--we're all guilty of it from time to time. But it's important to periodically remind ourselves of this. Sometimes, by pointing out all of the horrible examples (the insane hamsterism, the fat apologists, the white-knightism), we forget there are still legit chicks out--perhaps fewer in the US than in some other countries, but nevertheless.

[tiggaling]

In my experience, American often chicks treat me like an object. Makes sense that people there operate like that as it is the world headquarters of materialism.

Probably the most "vivid, insightful, or interested" chick I have met was American.

There is gold in the U.S. just as there is anywhere else, it is just often hard to find it due to sheer numbers of people who live there.

[tiggaling]

Been reading your blog. Kalamazoo, Michigan sounds pretty awful, especially at night.

Some places, are like a filter, they attract the most attractive and brightest, some are the opposite of that - which sounds like Kalamazoo. If you want gold, you have to filter.

But in your environment, that filter probably is the college library. Look for the girl with glasses, and ponytail! ;-) You know how it works in the movies, she shakes out her hair and takes off her glasses and she is a solid 9! Doing approaches in the library is great fun and the quality is high too! Girls appreciate it too.

[Ramon Zarate]

"Let the hate flow through you..."


I went through this hatred period for a while, didn't do me any favours - angry man is still beta because he cares. But I realised that if you've lived the youth that a good-looking girl has lived, with positive reinforcement 24/7 and nobody telling her "this is wrong" or "if you don't watch what you eat you'll get fat", you would probably end up similarly delusional. As for loyalty, now I just assume I'm a woman's second option, never her first, if that makes any sense. I don't hold on to the notion that I'm the most important man in her life, only that we both have sex and it's great while it lasts. We'll both move on, and we can both get other women/men to fulfil those needs. If I were in an LTR at the moment I wouldn't mind if she fucked other guys, as long as she stayed safe with it. I would expect her to ask the same of me. Don't think I've explained this particularly well, but hopefully you get the gist of it.

However if I was thinking of having kids... different story! Paternity testing motherfucker.

[Spike]

(09-13-2012 06:07 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

I would warn anyone of coming to such dire assumptions.

By hating women you will put off a vibe that will only attract the women you hate the most.

There are awesome, down to earth, loyal women out there. You just have to go out and find them. And a bar is a horrible place to start the search for the keepers.

This!

[tenderman100]

(09-13-2012 06:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Now I treat all women like objects, but I no longer hate while I do so. I've accepted them much like I accept the behavior of any other animal.

For example, when I see a dog bark at a stranger or a random car going down the street, I might wish the dog would shut the fuck up. But do I get angry at the dog? Of course not, it's just a dumb bitch. I like to tease dogs by offering them food and eating it in front of them at the last second.

Likewise, when I see a girl who who won't stop talking about some banal thing, I might wish she would just shut the fuck up, but do I get angry at her? Of course not, she's just a dumb bitch.

And just as the dog will become more appreciative of my attention and rewards because of my merciless teasing, so too do women give me more attention and sex when I ignore or humiliate them.

But the key is that I can only be the master manipulator when I know beforehand what I'm getting into. When I approach the dog I understand what the dog is as an animal, and when I approach a woman I understand what the woman is as an animal. She will have no loyalty, no honor, no personality, be a total parasite on my time and energy, and be completely delusional.

Since I know what I'm getting before I even make the approach on a woman, it follows I'm the only one who can be held responsible for any displeasure I have with women.

Once I realized that my anger with women was from my own doing, it quickly evaporated as I made the necessary changes to control how and when I interacted with them. I bring only the good parts of woman into my life (attention, sex, and occasional loves) while keeping out the bad (long boring dates, stagnating relationships, and marriage).

I believe any other man can do the same.

Great insights.

Right now, at this very moment, one of my married babes is totally flaking on me. We were supposed to spend the afternoon together, but client things crept up on me, and I could only do a 2 hour. So she is freaking out, after telling me yesterday she loves me, she now says she hates me and that I am self absorbed.

She is going nuts. But I refused to get sucked into her drama.

With women, you can't be angry, you must be EXISTENTIAL. This is what it is. This is who they are.

[peachpua]

This is a tough balance to strike. Roosh says in Day Bang that it actually benefits your game to not hold women in high regard -- I would agree that a certain level of realism will help your game and a more negative/pessimistic view of women is always going to be preferable to worshiping them.

Still, you have to be able to draw the line between being realistic about women and their flaws and simply being bitter. Like anything you can take it too far and it will start to be detrimental to your game.

I like the mindset of accepting women and their nature for what they are. The fable about the scorpion and the frog comes to mind

[sixsix]

Your anger comes from having high and wrong expectations. You expected women to be like men, and when it turned out they were not loyal female knights, you started to resent them.

You sound quite bitter, and women won't be feminine and coy around bitter men.

Women are feminine around masculine and controlled men, who understand men are men and women are women, and we're all human.

Once you can be free from negative labels and just accept things are as they are, you will be happier and you will attract better women. Because really, beautiful women do exist. For beautiful men. Don't expect a fairy tale version of life to unfold for you though. Life is life.

[Grit]

I agree with this guy. His observations are harsh, but so was Byron's. Its not possible for men to live in a civilized society while women simultaneously live uncivilized. Of course there is a level of suspending your distaste in order to get the lay. But with everyone looking for sex and ignoring every flaw, the flaws are going to accumulate to a tipping point.

[soup]

Game rule #1 should be "don't have any sympathy for women at all."