[iop890]

Where are they? Both Obama and Romney are starting to piss me off with their pussitry. Obama with his constant talk of how his wife bosses him around, and Romney with his entire existence.

Any prominent politicians with manosphere style beliefs? Or that are at least a bit alpha?

[kosko]

You can be an Alpha and a politician. There are many examples of that but you can't swallow the red pill and be a mainline-mainstream politician. Politics is all blue pill, even "mavericks" like Ron Paul are still whores to the system. Someone like Ralph Nader, Gary Johnson, Ross Perrot would be Red pill politicians because they called out the mainline parties as bullshit but never can/have a legitimate chance of cracking the blue-pill dominated political spheres.

[cat_a_clysm]

(09-06-2012 04:29 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

Where are they? Both Obama and Romney are starting to piss me off with their pussitry. Obama with his constant talk of how his wife bosses him around, and Romney with his entire existence.

Any prominent politicians with manosphere style beliefs? Or that are at least a bit alpha?

Ha Ha Ha.

Why do you think Romney is a pussy, the guy has like 15 kids, all with the same woman who has probably never even so much as talked back to him. On top of that he made billions of dollars by "leveraged buyouts" and "corporate raiding" which sound alpha to me although I'm not really sure what they actually mean. However, when he talks, he kind of looks beta, he has this weird little smile he does after making a point.

Edit- I remember back during the Rpublican primary, there was a story about Newt Gingrich telling his wife that she needed to share him with other women.

[Tuthmosis]

Countdown to Putin...3...2...1...

[Private Man]

(09-06-2012 04:46 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Countdown to Putin...3...2...1...

PUTIN!!!

[iop890]

(09-06-2012 04:46 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Countdown to Putin...3...2...1...

Ha. I thought about mentioning Putin. His dealings with obama are a good example of Obama being beta.

[Basil Ransom]

This dude



And this guy



And this woman



I'm always surprised there aren't more very rich men who are sympathetic to the cause of men.

Calling Putin alpha is a little like calling rapists alpha. Technically, it may be true, but would you really want him influencing your life?

[Deif]

The interests of the average man is not in the favor of politicians.

Feminism ---> women working ---> more people to tax ---> more money for politicians

Don't look to politics for the answer. Your interests are not the same as those of the people in power.

[HoustonRookie]

Agree with Putin.



And then there's the alleged mother of his alleged child

[Tuthmosis]

For the record, I wasn't saying Putin, I just knew it was coming.

[kosko]

Globally? Hell you can find way more examples.

Every Alpha Red Pill politician WILL be hated and be viewed as a enemy by the establishment lets just make that clear now. So leave your political views and PC bullshit at whom we suggest at the door.


Putin will piss alot of people off

and so my choice will be Ghadaffi.




If you ahve studied the man you will understnad he basically spent his whole poltical life giving the middle finger to the West. He was a radical like Castro but Castro held onto a system that was not his own, a system that did not benefit his own people at all. Gadaffi created his own system which did enrich and make his people better off. That is the key difference. The Gaddafi third way was a big fuck you to both crony Soviet socialism, and crony West liberalism.


*Disclaimer*
And i'll say this now.. leave your PC mainstream views at the door. Gadaffi was Alpha as hell and after reading over his life I give him nothing but props.

So to any haters just don't even try it.

You will be Ether'd.

[Deif]

Gadaffi was a mass murderer who wrote a rambling text and created a joke government (what you call a "third way") which, in reality, was nothing more than a typical autocracy.

His final moments in life were being pulled out of a sewer, sodomized with a steel rod (there are videos of this online), and then being slapped and kicked before being executed like cattle on the side of a road.

Alpha, bro.

[speakeasy]

Hugo Chavez. Even though I can't stand him.

[Brian]

Silvio Berlosconi

[kosko]

(09-06-2012 05:29 PM)Deif Wrote:  

Gadaffi was a mass murderer

[Aside form his early terrorist days (at a time when everybody from the USA, Israeli's, Africans, Latins, Yugos, to the Russians were doing it.. why single him out?) The Americans were funding terror killings back then too, it was the norm in those days. What about Kissinger w/ Cambodia and East Timor? Isn't Kissinger a vile mass murderer for funding and supporting those terror raids?]

who wrote a rambling text

[Have you read it? its only 80 pages, it is not a complex book, but a 8 year old can understand the simple concepts which was the point. Back then when he wrote it his people could not read nor write why write a 300 page doctrine that his people could not understand?... again have you read it? Any red-pill man could agree wit ha large chunk of it if you tried to look at from a view of a Muslim]

and created a joke government (what you call a "third way")

[His govt of elite Councils was still a democratic forum, Gadaafi only had the power of influence, with one vote on Council which totaled more than 3000 people. he still had to sell his ideas to the council, many of his ideas adopted, many were shot down. He did not rule by fiat as the west projected. Measures had to pass Basic council which was nothing but fancy term for referendum as every Libyan adult was part of the Basic council, then laws were presented to the Special council of 3000 then up to the executive ranks.]

which, in reality, was nothing more than a typical autocracy. [Riiiight. America is a corporate plutocracy ruled by corporations and a select few wealthy families. Libya was for more open and democratic then America currently is currently sadly. Gadaffi did not have the power of Exective order like Obama does, nor did they have closed or select options to bury unfavorable laws from the public.]

[This was in years outside of global sanctions Libya was enjoying a more rapid growth in quality of life then America. Would you blame him for people offering him support? The only Libyans whom hate Gadaafi are the silver spooned betas whom fled. Evrey Libyan-Canadian I know is a pompous asshole]

His final moments in life were being pulled out of a sewer, sodomized with a steel rod [It was a rifle] (there are videos of this online), and then being slapped and kicked before being executed like cattle on the side of a road.

[To bad his was killed as he was on his way to negotiate a partition plan with Clinton, you do realize she was in Tripoli at the same time as his death right? And you do realize a women out of spite took down the Alpha she could not corral. So under one of the oldest rules of war, with a white flag flying above the convoy they proceeded with airstrikes, then rag tags rounded him up, he was not supposed to be killed... a 14 year old boy went loco and shot him in the head. Qaddafi still had a gun in his hand in that sewer pipe, dude was still fighting.]

Alpha, bro.

Nothing you have stated in your paragraph was true.

Again I said don't even test me. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I spent a year researching Arab Jamahiriya Libya and Gadaffi.

Fall back.

[Deif]

(09-06-2012 06:04 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 05:29 PM)Deif Wrote:  

Gadaffi was a mass murderer

[Aside form his early terrorist days (at a time when everybody from the USA, Israeli's, Africans, Latins, Yugos, to the Russians were doing it.. why single him out?) The Americans were funding terror killings back then too, it was the norm in those days. What about Kissinger w/ Cambodia and East Timor? Isn't Kissinger a vile mass murderer for funding and supporting those terror raids?]

who wrote a rambling text

[Have you read it? its only 80 pages, it is not a complex book, but a 8 year old can understand the simple concepts which was the point. Back then when he wrote it his people could not read nor write why write a 300 page doctrine that his people could not understand?... again have you read it? Any red-pill man could agree wit ha large chunk of it if you tried to look at from a view of a Muslim]

and created a joke government (what you call a "third way")

[His govt of elite Councils was still a democratic forum, Gadaafi only had the power of influence, with one vote on Council which totaled more than 3000 people. he still had to sell his ideas to the council, many of his ideas adopted, many were shot down. He did not rule by fiat as the west projected. Measures had to pass Basic council which was nothing but fancy term for referendum as every Libyan adult was part of the Basic council, then laws were presented to the Special council of 3000 then up to the executive ranks.]

which, in reality, was nothing more than a typical autocracy. [Riiiight. America is a corporate plutocracy ruled by corporations and a select few wealthy families. Libya was for more open and democratic then America currently is currently sadly. Gadaffi did not have the power of Exective order like Obama does, nor did they have closed or select options to bury unfavorable laws from the public.]

[This was in years outside of global sanctions Libya was enjoying a more rapid growth in quality of life then America. Would you blame him for people offering him support? The only Libyans whom hate Gadaafi are the silver spooned betas whom fled. Evrey Libyan-Canadian I know is a pompous asshole]

His final moments in life were being pulled out of a sewer, sodomized with a steel rod [It was a rifle] (there are videos of this online), and then being slapped and kicked before being executed like cattle on the side of a road.

[To bad his was killed as he was on his way to negotiate a partition plan with Clinton, you do realize she was in Tripoli at the same time as his death right? And you do realize a women out of spite took down the Alpha she could not corral. So under one of the oldest rules of war, with a white flag flying above the convoy they proceeded with airstrikes, then rag tags rounded him up, he was not supposed to be killed... a 14 year old boy went loco and shot him in the head. Qaddafi still had a gun in his hand in that sewer pipe, dude was still fighting.]

Alpha, bro.

Nothing you have stated in your paragraph was true.

Again I said don't even test me. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I spent a year researching Arab Jamahiriya Libya and Gadaffi.

Fall back.

Gaddafi pulled from sewer:

Quote:

Gaddafi 69, was reportedly found hiding in a drain outside Sirte, where he and and others had taken shelter after their convoy was hit by a Nato airstrike as it attempted to escape.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-e...falls-live

Rebels shoving a rod up Gaddafi's ass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXFC3OK4OeI

Gaddafi being beaten: http://www.military.com/video/operations...091049001/

You spent a "year" studying Gadaffi and his joke government (as if there's really anything to study), yet you don't know these basic things about his death. Apparently, you know better than the millions of Libyans who rose up against the "alpha" and killed him.

[kosko]

(09-06-2012 06:21 PM)Deif Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 06:04 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 05:29 PM)Deif Wrote:  

Gadaffi was a mass murderer

[Aside form his early terrorist days (at a time when everybody from the USA, Israeli's, Africans, Latins, Yugos, to the Russians were doing it.. why single him out?) The Americans were funding terror killings back then too, it was the norm in those days. What about Kissinger w/ Cambodia and East Timor? Isn't Kissinger a vile mass murderer for funding and supporting those terror raids?]

who wrote a rambling text

[Have you read it? its only 80 pages, it is not a complex book, but a 8 year old can understand the simple concepts which was the point. Back then when he wrote it his people could not read nor write why write a 300 page doctrine that his people could not understand?... again have you read it? Any red-pill man could agree wit ha large chunk of it if you tried to look at from a view of a Muslim]

and created a joke government (what you call a "third way")

[His govt of elite Councils was still a democratic forum, Gadaafi only had the power of influence, with one vote on Council which totaled more than 3000 people. he still had to sell his ideas to the council, many of his ideas adopted, many were shot down. He did not rule by fiat as the west projected. Measures had to pass Basic council which was nothing but fancy term for referendum as every Libyan adult was part of the Basic council, then laws were presented to the Special council of 3000 then up to the executive ranks.]

which, in reality, was nothing more than a typical autocracy. [Riiiight. America is a corporate plutocracy ruled by corporations and a select few wealthy families. Libya was for more open and democratic then America currently is currently sadly. Gadaffi did not have the power of Exective order like Obama does, nor did they have closed or select options to bury unfavorable laws from the public.]

[This was in years outside of global sanctions Libya was enjoying a more rapid growth in quality of life then America. Would you blame him for people offering him support? The only Libyans whom hate Gadaafi are the silver spooned betas whom fled. Evrey Libyan-Canadian I know is a pompous asshole]

His final moments in life were being pulled out of a sewer, sodomized with a steel rod [It was a rifle] (there are videos of this online), and then being slapped and kicked before being executed like cattle on the side of a road.

[To bad his was killed as he was on his way to negotiate a partition plan with Clinton, you do realize she was in Tripoli at the same time as his death right? And you do realize a women out of spite took down the Alpha she could not corral. So under one of the oldest rules of war, with a white flag flying above the convoy they proceeded with airstrikes, then rag tags rounded him up, he was not supposed to be killed... a 14 year old boy went loco and shot him in the head. Qaddafi still had a gun in his hand in that sewer pipe, dude was still fighting.]

Alpha, bro.

Nothing you have stated in your paragraph was true.

Again I said don't even test me. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I spent a year researching Arab Jamahiriya Libya and Gadaffi.

Fall back.

Gaddafi pulled from sewer:

Quote:

Gaddafi 69, was reportedly found hiding in a drain outside Sirte, where he and and others had taken shelter after their convoy was hit by a Nato airstrike as it attempted to escape.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-e...falls-live

Rebels shoving a rod up Gaddafi's ass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXFC3OK4OeI

Gaddafi being beaten: http://www.military.com/video/operations...091049001/

You spent a "year" studying Gadaffi and his joke government (as if there's really anything to study), yet you don't know these basic things about his death. Apparently, you know better than the millions of Libyans who rose up against the "alpha" and killed him.

Why would your convoy try to escape in daylight? Why would your convoy not flee in the darkness of the night [Think].

After you have been attacked with a weapon in your hand still fighting would you stand in the middle of a desert near a smoldering convoy to bring attention to yourself or would you find some type of cover to aid as a shield to help your offence [Think]

Lastly ..

The Guardian is your source...

Well anyways....

Libya population: 6,733,620
Tripoli population: 2,220,000

So you mean these these millions?

If I was a crazed leader this would of been the perfect time to let the snipers and bombs off would it not. All these people cumming to support me I might as well try and kill them all since I am a crazed killer of my people. This is why 35% of my nation comes out to a open square to support me [Think]

Fall back.

[Deif]

The Guardian, the guys who released the Wikileaks files, are an illegitimate source, but the (unconvincing) state propaganda of a dead dictator is legit. The Gadaffi supporters (probably most who were coerced or paid to be at the rally) in those videos are in the thousands, not even near the millions. I can see the peripheries of the square where they're standing. If Gaddafi was a popular leader amongst his people, then NATO would have let him sort out the mess rather than spending billions on bombing him.

You ignored all the facts I put forth regarding Gadaffi's life and death. You're not arguing from a place of trying to better your understanding of Libya, Gaddafi, and Libyans. What you're doing is disrespectful, really, because you're just looking to preserve your ego. You're trying hard to play off this image of a sagely being with sublime wisdom of the affairs of the powerful, all the while still in touch with your hip-hop "street smarts."

It's like Alex Jones and Jay-Z had a baby, never bothered to teach him logic, then set him loose on the internet to troll people.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(09-06-2012 04:29 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

Where are they? Both Obama and Romney are starting to piss me off with their pussitry. Obama with his constant talk of how his wife bosses him around, and Romney with his entire existence.

Any prominent politicians with manosphere style beliefs? Or that are at least a bit alpha?

You guys are busy raging about who is alpha without even defining what a redpill politician would be like.

Alpha in Roosh's book Bang:
- is a guy who does what he wants to do
- doesn't concern himself with rejection or social failure
- his needs, wants, feelings come before anyone else's
- not concerned with judgement, doesn't ask for permission
- actions stem from desire, not insecurity
- he doesn't qualify himself
- he doesn't make apologies
- he does things because it fits him, not because it helps him fit in
- he is in control of the situation
- he is willing to walk away

There isn't a definition of redpill man, but I'd say:
- Guy who cuts through all the cultural bullshit and creates a new reality for himself (kind of like Nietszche's Superman)

I think some good historical examples would be:
- Napoleon, who rampaged through Europe dismantling the hierarchy of European aristrocratic rule. Although ultimately he was defeated, European monarchy was never able to re-establish legal aristrocratic priviledge - from his time, both aristrocrat and peasant were equal in the eyes of the law.
- Garibaldi, who decided he was going to unite Italy come hell or high water
- Nelson Mandela, despite having his party in exile baying for white blood and despite having a white nationalist supremacist government to deal with, he told both sides to calm the fuck down and chill and pushed for a negotiated settlement rather than settlement through force. The guy singlehandedly set the rules for the transition of power, despite having rotted in a jailcell for 28 years.
- George Washington, who held an army together at Valley Forge through willpower alone

Can't think of any true modern examples, I think one of the reasons the world is lurching from crisis to crisis is that there our leaders are beta, always trying to please everyone

[RawGod]

Train wreck of a thread, but on topic: loads of politicians are "red pill" in the sense that they are only in it for themselves and don't believe the BS they spout for a moment. Look at any long-standing US senator - take Arlen Spector or Teddy Kennedy, anyone you like. Corrupt to the core, sexually predatory (with women, men, boys etc according to taste) and sustained through networks of graft and payoffs. Combine the "red pill" with real power (which I'd say all of us on this forum lack) and you get some pathological behaviour. That's why it's called the Dark Triad.

Much as it's tempting to admire someone like Putin, when you know someone has ordered killings and so on, I draw the line. I just want a level of independence in my life and that means freedom from these kind of guys.

[expectation]

I don't know if you can make the case for Gaddafi. He had a serious case of onettis with Condoleezza Rice, showering her with $212 USD worth of gifts plus a private dinner. And the rebels found an album filled with Rice photos. Sounds beta.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/25...36385.html

[deuce]

Putin no contest. He's fucking ACTION MAN!