[UgSlayer]

Wait so is this a looks vs game thread or a direct vs indirect thread

[XXL]

no, this is "you CAN open with compliment if you're not good looking in a fashion world sense, just learn to handle girls' innitial resistance and step up your game" thread. savvy?

sorry for my tone, i just can't stand perfectly fine guys beating themselves up about irrelevant shit. we're here cause we want to grow and get better so let's go! i wonder how many guys actually opened at least 20 pretty girls with compliment and stayed a few second longer in the interaction after cold response.

i think it was mike tyson who said "everybody got a game plan until they get hit". best fucking PU tip ever. real game starts when you 'get hit'. game is played in tests. dealing with shit is the real realest DHV. it's not what you open with it's what you deal with afterwards.

amen : )

[Neo]

I'm usually intrigued with these types of threads. I am tall and relatively athletic. With that said, none of those things did me any good until I learned how to use game to interact with a woman. When I read things that say if you are tall and decent looking all you have to do is show up, it's simply not case. I see guys shorter than myself with girls in the range of some of my all time best pulls. For me it's been a grind since becoming serious about the game the past two years. Ups and downs, hot and cold streaks, wins and losses.

Maybe I'm just living in a some weird DC like environment. Since I am a solo player, I really have nobody to compare notes with.

The approach that you mention, a variant of which I have tried, has simply not worked for me. I've gotten eye rolls, and 'I have a boyfriend.' This leads me to believe that the women are responding to your looks.

[Alpha Mind]

Jesus.

Last time I share anything that works for me on here.

EDIT

And WTF does "ghost of Deb" mean? I must've missed that...

If you don't like it, there are PLENTY of other threads on the subject.

Just trying to contribute. Test it. If it doesn't work, sorry.

Despite the belligerent flaming, I still stand by the 100% conversion rate.

[soup]

List of attractive qualities in order of greatest power:

1 - fame
2 - money, looks
3 - game

Most of us wouldn't be here if we had the any of the first two in spades.

The first two are going to destroy hamsters- all the guy has to do is not fuck it up. With fame, it doesn't even matter if you have bad game or not, you are going to get options that most most guys will only dream about.

I'm trying to get my game tighter from barely making it across the finish line to killing it with higher end chicks so that I'll be able to use things like this "worst pickup line". My plan is to get some fame.

[Way Cool Jr]

(09-03-2012 12:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

List of attractive qualities in order of greatest power:

1 - fame
2 - money, looks
3 - game

Most of us wouldn't be here if we had the any of the first two in spades.

I think that money alone without fame, game or looks won't lead someone very far.
I know plenty of attorneys, doctors and other guys with good cash flow that don't get pussy or are married with ugly/fat wifes.

If with money you mean million $ that's different but still with money alone this guy will rely on bitches so doesn't change much.

[Gmac]

See a girl waiting to get the bartender's attention.

Get her attention, say "Here try this. " I shake my pecs at the direction of the bartender and say, "Usually works for me."

I've had onlookers open me before if it didn't work on my target.

[PrettyBoy]

I do the kyle approach all of the time in the club. In fact i have no patience for anything other than that. Hah, i nearly pissed my pants laughing at how similar my approach is to that. Im 5'8 though and have a slim build so lets trump the height and muscles.

I use alpha minds approach with daygame and its funny how you just never know where rejection will come from. You could approch a 7 and she'll say some shit like "go away". 5 minutes later you approach a dime and she's eating, all that game your feeding her, up like a champ.
When I dont have a good opener i typically use that method. It's really random, you'll never know who's receptive to it.

[soup]

(09-03-2012 02:36 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  

(09-03-2012 12:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

List of attractive qualities in order of greatest power:

1 - fame
2 - money, looks
3 - game

Most of us wouldn't be here if we had the any of the first two in spades.

I think that money alone without fame, game or looks won't lead someone very far.
I know plenty of attorneys, doctors and other guys with good cash flow that don't get pussy or are married with ugly/fat wifes.

If with money you mean million $ that's different but still with money alone this guy will rely on bitches so doesn't change much.

No, fame is the largest attractant in America.

[Way Cool Jr]

(09-04-2012 05:19 AM)soup Wrote:  

(09-03-2012 02:36 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  

(09-03-2012 12:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

List of attractive qualities in order of greatest power:

1 - fame
2 - money, looks
3 - game

Most of us wouldn't be here if we had the any of the first two in spades.

I think that money alone without fame, game or looks won't lead someone very far.
I know plenty of attorneys, doctors and other guys with good cash flow that don't get pussy or are married with ugly/fat wifes.

If with money you mean million $ that's different but still with money alone this guy will rely on bitches so doesn't change much.

No, fame is the largest attractant in America.

I know, but i talked about dudes with money but without fame.
I don't know if you agree but that's what i see almost everyday.

[victorvaldez33]

(09-02-2012 09:26 PM)Alpha Mind Wrote:  

A brief disclaimer...I'm 6'4, athletic build, and more attractive than most men.

I was loaded at a bar one afternoon and decided to approach a table of two women and say something extemporaneous. I don't remember what came out, exactly, but it worked, and I have refined it to the following:

"Excuse me...what's your name? (gives you name). Listen, (name), I'm not usually this forward, but you are absolutely lovely and I'd love to get to know you better over (coffee/tea/a drink) sometime."

If I overhead someone else say this, I'd laugh. It sounds ridiculously cheesy, but the direct nature works wonders. There's a number of people who will probably will laugh at this gem, but it works, and I've converted 100% of the dates from this to ONS or summer flings.

The catch? You need to use it on your way out of a venue. I've never tested it at night, only during the day. I still tweak it from time to time, but it has proven itself time and time again.

Those brave enough to test, please share your results.

And if you're in Austin, come up with your own line, please.

Nice one,I will try this but maybe looks will make a big impact here...

[Aliblahba]

I use a similar line.

"Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me sooooooo hard."


   

[Giovonny]

(09-02-2012 09:26 PM)Alpha Mind Wrote:  

A brief disclaimer...I'm 6'4, athletic build, and more attractive than most men.

Lets be honest, being tall and good looking helps alot with direct game.

We all know that.

(09-02-2012 09:26 PM)Alpha Mind Wrote:  

"Excuse me...what's your name? (gives you name). Listen, (name), I'm not usually this forward, but you are absolutely lovely and I'd love to get to know you better over (coffee/tea/a drink) sometime."

I love it. After I read this I went out and did it..

I saw a girl standing on the street in front of the mall, she had ear phones in her ears. Young girl, maybe 19 or 20, slim body, tall, long hair. White girl, looked like swimmer.

I walked past her very close and purposely "bumped into" her earphone wires. I turned back..

me: opps
her: sorry

I was walking away as we said this, we turned and made eye contact for a second. I stopped and walked back to her..

me: excuse me
her: ya
me: are you greek?
her: yes
me: whats your name?
her: pam
me: pam, i'm usually not this forward, but you look lovely and i want to get to know you better over coffee or a beer sometime.
her: umm, thats my boyfriend

Her boyfriend was literally standing right behind me listening to the whole thing! I turned around and saw him and just started walking away! No big deal, they were college kids. Next!

I like the line alot. I will use it a few times today hopefully and see how it goes. Thanks for sharing Alphamind.

I also use this one sometimes..

(09-03-2012 12:16 AM)IpsaScientiaPotestasEst Wrote:  

"So....I just met you and....this is crazy....but...."

Just like you, I pretend that I am sort of nervous, I pretend that this is a crazy, spontaneous encounter, I pretend that I never do stuff like this. In reality, all do it all the time. It's just a little gambit for going direct.

I love going direct. I love challenging myself like this. Most days, I can do it with zero approach anxiety and zero fear. My frame has gotten very strong.

Now, here is what I really want to say in this thread..


We all know that good looking guys have an advantage. But, average looking guys should also be doing this also! Why? Because girls are crazy, they are illogical, they respond to feelings and not logic.

If you are average looking, but you blow a girl away with your confidence, you could be fucking her.

If you are average looking but you truly don't give a fuck and have no fear, her pussy could get wet.

Many girls are "outliers". They are not attracted to what we think they would be attracted too. Their attraction switches can be hijacked. How?

Irrational Self-Belief. Extreme levels of confidence. Expressing yourself without any neediness and sub-communicating a total lack of fear.

How many guys are doing this? Not too many. So, if you are one of the few guys who actually can pull this off. You have a chance. Throw in some witty conversation and you could be banging a cutie. Give yourself a chance. Don't sell yourself short.

You never know what girls will be attracted to. They sometimes like weird shit. Immature criminals, homeless musicians, starving artists, rough bikers, macho blue collar guys, punk rockers, heavy metal guys, emo dudes, hipsters, nerds, skinny white guys, buffed black guys, etc. etc.

We have all seen cute girls with these types of guys. Why can't an average looking guy go direct!?!?!

They should be going direct sometimes. You never know how the girl might react. Some girls have bad taste. Some girls like "ugly" guys. Some girls are suckers for confidence. Some girls just want want a regular nice guy. You never know unless you try.

You could be like this guy from Sex in the City..



It happens all the time. You just have to have the balls to try!

By the way, in my story above, with the young white girl, the boyfriend was Asian, and like a 5, she was a 7!

[SVK]

I'm 6'3", I wouldn't say that I'm facially good looking (kind of a Slavic round baby face - makes me look younger though), but I'm reasonably built. Shit like this works for me all the time as well. Actually I'm sometimes surprised how bad "conversion rates" other guys have and how badly some girls can disrespect them. Disrespect/impoliteness doesn't happen much at all, and if it does it phases me out and I strike back in way that the girl usually apologizes.

[MrXY]

Quote:

Posted by Aliblahba - Today 12:45 PM
I use a similar line.

"Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me sooooooo hard."

Stolen. This is exactly the sort of shit I say when I'm really drunk-which doesn't happen much anymore-but next time it does-I'm spitting this line

Quote:

Posted by Gmac - Yesterday 04:48 PM
See a girl waiting to get the bartender's attention.

Get her attention, say "Here try this. " I shake my pecs at the direction of the bartender and say, "Usually works for me."

I've had onlookers open me before if it didn't work on my target.

Likewise -stolen

[UrbanNerd]

Oh these two are corny, but I have used them and sometimes get success.

Corny line #1: (right after a chick disses a guy)..."I don't know what B.S. he told you but I betcha that my B.S. is better"

Corny line #2: "This is what me and you are doing tonight......."

[snoop]

(09-03-2012 12:12 PM)Alpha Mind Wrote:  

Jesus.

Last time I share anything that works for me on here.

EDIT

And WTF does "ghost of Deb" mean? I must've missed that...

If you don't like it, there are PLENTY of other threads on the subject.

Just trying to contribute. Test it. If it doesn't work, sorry.

Despite the belligerent flaming, I still stand by the 100% conversion rate.

I've had a decent amount of success with this type of game.

Keep in mind many people who decry this type of game are stubby little trolls who can't pull it off so they declare it doesn't work. If you buy into their BS you are also lowering the competition.

But this could also be something that works better in certain geographic areas than others. I had limited success in larger cities, but rural southern and midwest areas have been gold.

[Nomad77]

Race plays a big part. I bet this guy is white. I did some research on this:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-3601-p...#pid263754

[Alpha Mind]

(09-06-2012 09:13 PM)snoop Wrote:  

(09-03-2012 12:12 PM)Alpha Mind Wrote:  

Jesus.

Last time I share anything that works for me on here.

EDIT

And WTF does "ghost of Deb" mean? I must've missed that...

If you don't like it, there are PLENTY of other threads on the subject.

Just trying to contribute. Test it. If it doesn't work, sorry.

Despite the belligerent flaming, I still stand by the 100% conversion rate.

I've had a decent amount of success with this type of game.

Keep in mind many people who decry this type of game are stubby little trolls who can't pull it off so they declare it doesn't work. If you buy into their BS you are also lowering the competition.

But this could also be something that works better in certain geographic areas than others. I had limited success in larger cities, but rural southern and midwest areas have been gold.

Works like a charm in Texas.

[Samseau]

(09-07-2012 01:10 AM)Alpha Mind Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 09:13 PM)snoop Wrote:  

(09-03-2012 12:12 PM)Alpha Mind Wrote:  

Jesus.

Last time I share anything that works for me on here.

EDIT

And WTF does "ghost of Deb" mean? I must've missed that...

If you don't like it, there are PLENTY of other threads on the subject.

Just trying to contribute. Test it. If it doesn't work, sorry.

Despite the belligerent flaming, I still stand by the 100% conversion rate.

I've had a decent amount of success with this type of game.

Keep in mind many people who decry this type of game are stubby little trolls who can't pull it off so they declare it doesn't work. If you buy into their BS you are also lowering the competition.

But this could also be something that works better in certain geographic areas than others. I had limited success in larger cities, but rural southern and midwest areas have been gold.

Works like a charm in Texas.

The cultural explanation is also a big one. I can see where there are still parts of the country that reward sincerity. Where I live, girls reward insincerity.

[Coyote]

XXL said "girls are overruled by emotions. basically any emotion is good. she's pissed? good. she's surprised? good. she smiles? good. she's taken aback? good. she's stressed? good. she's engaged emotionally and that's what matters. that's the only thing to be concerned about.. is she engaged emotionally? what is she feeling right now? how do making her feel? do i got her undevided attention? that's the things i'm worried about."


First of all I read posts here and love what you guys talk about. I am from a different era and my glory days have passed and I live in a different country and am jaded from a lifetime of decadent behavior and a ton of hot chicks, teenage strippers sisters, living on a yatch in Marina Hemmingway in Cuba and I can go on and on but my point is I would have never believed the above quote but it's absolutely true.

The most consistently astonishing shit regarding game is what my friend who was a 40 year old ex rugby player stocky receding hair line intelligent and clever used to pull off endlessly. I have seen a lot of shit but this one is right up there and yes this is the same guys I have rescued from Latin American jails haahhaha! –

We'd enter a bar/resturant, I'd go to the bar and watch him approach a table full of chicks. He starts with a mundane opener and in the middle of his opener, he'd start eating their food or drinking their drinks! Shit you not… then he'd laugh a deep "I don't give a fuck laugh" and say, "Hey, that was your drink or that was your food! Hey let me buy you a drink cuz I drank yours." Then he would talk to these chicks like they were guys. I mean it was incredible - shit like, "so you girls seen any hot guys you'd like to spank tonight?" they'ed fall off their fucking chairs laughing, and he'd start laughing. Then follow up with shit like "No, really?" and they laugh round two. He would balance it out with some teddy bear shit, you know like "hey I just took my nieces to the beach and taught them how to body surf" and then follow up with "then this chick with huge boobs came along and we almost drowned" – I mean that kind of shit… I could never pull that off…

Hey I play my strengths always and that shit is not me. I mean, he could cold call these chicks and within minutes or even seconds, they would get up so he could scootch to the middle of the fucking booth and then they would pile in behind him. He would compliment them, insult them with 'What kind of fucking shit is this (looking at their earrings)" or "Where did you get that tattoo. In the army?" What, the bull dyke sergeant was your friend?" hahahhaha I swear to god I wish this shit was on You Tube because it would have gotten hundreds of thousands of hits.

I did not realize it until I read what XXL wrote, but that is exactly what he did: He engaged their emotions with everything and did it in a serious combined with playful way and followed with a belly laugh. The thing was he never stopped unless one of the chicks held the floor. Then as soon as they were done and he'd sense a lull, he'd chime in with more off the wall crap.

Maybe you had to be there to get it… but I have never seen anything like it. One thing though it was a huge cockblock for any other guy around and that is why I just sat a ways away and watched. I mean you could not compete with his shit… no one could. He'd even pull this shit off at tables mixed with couples and singles. Fucking fearless…

Now here is the mind fuck about it all. He'd have these women eating out of his hand, better than a great standup comedy routine, they were poised on his next line. Then he'd excuse himself with a laugh (catch you girls with your panties down next time) and graciously walk away with a smile and laugh - but without hitting on any of them.

He'd come to the bar and I would say, "you are fucking amazing." He'd laugh "Ha!" And say – "they are just chicks like any other people they are looking to have fun and get laid." That summed up his attitude - He had the game won before he began because he really could give a fuck if he banged these chicks because for him there was an endless supply of phone numbers or opportunities --- because he just wanted to be in front of them and like XXL said – play their emotions. That was his high… his game. Masterful!

[XXL]

i wouldn't have believed in what i wrote even 2 years ago

but with time adn experience i've come to this simple conclusion. girls are just overruled by emotions and whatever i do to make them feel something, just anything, is good. if it's balanced it's perfect pu.

this is very liberating and 'slap in the face' kind of thing to know. practical application with that in mind is that all it takes is to just make move and know how to deal with shit. any move, good and bad, is arousing to the girl. when she gets pissed you play with that a bit and change the vibe. it's getting lovely you throw something edgy ("oh yuck! a gum? GTFO, it's disgusting, was nice to meet you"). as long as you stay pretty normal with your attitude/behaviour/jokes/teases the end result is that the girl likes you cause she's feeling a lot of things because of you and these emotions get anchored to you.

so in the context of this thread i say OPs opener is fine and anyone can do that no matter how they look. and when the girls is like WTF? and approach goes sloppy you throw more fuel to the fire "it's ok i just said you're one pretty girl, are you kind of slow?" and keep talking/flirting. only if majority of girls react negatively and ignore you then there's something to be worked on (probably vibe/subcommunications/hygiene)

#1 thing that stops guys from doing what they commit to preplanned course of action, they depend on the opener/line/style/move and when shit gets a bit hard they give up cause their schtick didn't 'work'. they voluntarily walk away from their interactions and then rationalize about it later (it's my ________).

[Giovonny]

A big key in using this type of line is to approach a target who is of equal looks to you.

If you are a 6, use it on other 6's, 7s and even some 8s.

If you are a 7, use it on other 7s and some 8's.

If you are a 5, good luck using this on 8s and 9s. It still would be a great exercise for getting over some approach fears but it's gonna be tough to actually bang a 9 if you are a 5.

I am an 8.5.

Just kidding, I'm probably a 7.

I use this line on 6s and 7s all day, and some 8s. I use it on 9s and 10s also just to keep all fear out of my mind. Every once in a while a 9 will give me her number and give me a real chance.

If nothing else, using this line will help you get over any approach anxiety or fears that you have about opening girls. If you do it with confidence, girls will respect you and treat you with respect. They will likely just say - "thanks but i have a bf". No one will even know what you were talking about except you and her. No big deal. It won't kill you, it will help you!

[Giovonny]

(09-06-2012 09:13 PM)snoop Wrote:  

but rural southern and midwest areas have been gold.

Good point. There is more of a "wow" factor when you use this in smaller towns and more rural areas. They are a bit more traditional and not accustomed to all this big city type of game.

(09-07-2012 08:18 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The cultural explanation is also a big one. I can see where there are still parts of the country that reward sincerity. Where I live, girls reward insincerity.

Yes, in some areas this will work better then others. Not only because of the sincerity but also the confidence. Some girls have just never been approached with this kind of direct, ballsy, approach.

I like the small town girls who recently moved to the big city. They can fall for this type of approach.

[Coyote]

what ever your game technique is if you posses confidence and have with and charm that is no how to spek with authority than your charcter will amplify your technique.

If you are a beta and you use good technique than what happens.... nothing but wasted technique.

You have to develop yourself to juice your technique and you have to develop your techniques to juice yourself.

In kung fu if you have great technique with little physical strength you have limited power. If you have great strength and limited technique you have limited power... the key is to combing strength and technique to create great power.

Just as the art of humanity makes the art of advantage stronger the art of advantage also strengthens ones humanity. Its all about balance and knowing when to bring out the wild man and when to put him away...

When women sense you are primordial and yet refined they feel secure. That opens doors... to where we all want to go...