[snoop]

(09-07-2012 01:35 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 09:13 PM)snoop Wrote:  

but rural southern and midwest areas have been gold.

Good point. There is more of a "wow" factor when you use this in smaller towns and more rural areas. They are a bit more traditional and not accustomed to all this big city type of game.

(09-07-2012 08:18 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The cultural explanation is also a big one. I can see where there are still parts of the country that reward sincerity. Where I live, girls reward insincerity.

Yes, in some areas this will work better then others. Not only because of the sincerity but also the confidence. Some girls have just never been approached with this kind of direct, ballsy, approach.

I like the small town girls who recently moved to the big city. They can fall for this type of approach.

I think it has more to do with the chicks who move to bigger cities tend to be the types who think being a fucking bitch to people is cool or somehow empowers them because they saw it on some tv show or movie.

[3agle 3yes]

(09-07-2012 01:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

...They will likely just say - "thanks but i have a bf".

Did you not read what XXL posted?

You just walk away when they say "I have a boyfriend"? For all you know this could be a shit test.

[Giovonny]

(09-08-2012 01:03 PM)3agle 3yes Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 01:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

...They will likely just say - "thanks but i have a bf".

Did you not read what XXL posted?

You just walk away when they say "I have a boyfriend"? For all you know this could be a shit test.

I read it but I don't get what I'm missing here? Please summarize it for me..

I don't always walk away when a girl says she has a bf. I usually say - "are you happy with him" or something like that.

What should I be doing in that situation?

[Gmac]

(09-08-2012 04:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 01:03 PM)3agle 3yes Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 01:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

...They will likely just say - "thanks but i have a bf".

Did you not read what XXL posted?

You just walk away when they say "I have a boyfriend"? For all you know this could be a shit test.

I read it but I don't get what I'm missing here? Please summarize it for me..

I don't always walk away when a girl says she has a bf. I usually say - "are you happy with him" or something like that.

What should I be doing in that situation?

"Me too. Let's be drinking buddies. Now get me a drink beer wench!"

[caps]

(09-08-2012 04:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I read it but I don't get what I'm missing here? Please summarize it for me..

I don't always walk away when a girl says she has a bf. I usually say - "are you happy with him" or something like that.

What should I be doing in that situation?

These are simple, but effective.

My typical responses -
'yeah good luck with that' (nonchalant as fuck, say it in a laughing/insulting manner for maximum effect)

'if you tried a little harder you could probably do better' - with this you can always throw in 'don't take that personally i'm giving you honest advice.'

'you need to upgrade.'



the multi-dimensional "I have a bf" response for everyday situations (coworkers, whoever)...
'that's cool' like you didn't even hear it. continue to proceed with the conversation like she never mentioned it. works well if you continue in that same statement to talk about something else/move the conversation forward.

[3agle 3yes]

(09-08-2012 04:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I read it but I don't get what I'm missing here? Please summarize it for me..

I don't always walk away when a girl says she has a bf. I usually say - "are you happy with him" or something like that.

What should I be doing in that situation?

The two posters above beat me to it, but I will show quotes from XXL that hint what the two posters above are saying...

(09-03-2012 06:40 AM)XXL Wrote:  

there is no bad pickup line (as long as it's not some psycho shit). guys who tell you otherwise have problems with dealing with innitial resistance/scepticism and can't dictate interaction and lead it forward...girl makes weird face guys give up cause the opener 'didn't work'.

Now replace "girl makes weird face" with "girl says I have a boyfriend".

If she says she has a boyfriend...

(09-03-2012 06:40 AM)XXL Wrote:  

...talk/flirt. it's nothing but a rough landing, it happens and that's the moment to show some people skills, social intelligence, etc.

Just because a girl says I have a boyfriend it doesn't necessarily mean she's telling the truth.

(09-03-2012 06:40 AM)XXL Wrote:  

i think it was mike tyson who said "everybody got a game plan until they get hit". best fucking PU tip ever. real game starts when you 'get hit'. game is played in tests. dealing with shit is the real realest DHV.

Most times when girls say this to me I think "she's just excusing herself of any responsibility"

I'm not advocating banging someones gf (that's your call), just saying some girls use this to throw guys off...

[XXL]

well, i don't even go that cocky/funny/witty road when i get objection. i say "it's ok/it's fine/well ok girl in that case i guess nothing can happen between us/ok so can you be good friend and keep a secret then?" and i talk/flirt/lead more like i never got that BF line. also notice that my response makes no sense at all cause i say i give up but keep moving forward at the same time. but to her it makes perfect sense. it's same situation like before sex when she goes "we can't do that" and you go "yes i know we really shouldn't" but you still move forward.

what happens here? i deal with her logical side by saying safe logical thing that doesn't alarm her and at the same time i spike her emotions cause we're still talking and flirting. the basic rule is to give her excuses to talk to you to handle her logical objections in a not confrontational way BUT keep talking/flirting to the point of serious NO.

it's just covering the exits. it should be quite obvious what to do in most objection situations. i mean you pretty much know what objection you can get anytime. let's say street game she's walking by.. she can say that she's in a hurry, that she's meeting with her BF, that she's meeting with her friends in a minute, that she's weirded out, etc. the skill is to address that, cover that exit right away or even before she does.

so you can go in and state teh most obvious things immediately "hey hey excuse me one moment one moment hi it's ok i don't want your change your money is safe hey hi : ) you walking really fast who are you? yeah know it's kind of out of the blue but..."

or you can deal with objection as they appear:

- she says that she's in a hurry (hey hey just 2 minutes/10 seconds/1 minute/whatever, real quick one thing real quick)
- she says she's meeting with her friends in a minute ("ok we got 1 minute let's go there they won't see us and you will be in such great mood later")
- she says she's meeting with her BF ("well ok girl in that case i guess nothing can happen between us" and keep going)
- she's weirded out ("yeah i know this is random it feel so weird to me too it's just you're so ____" but you are cool and relaxed so it's just excuse)
- she's stiff the whole time ("are you feeling bit stressed? it's ok i understand that" and you step back a bit to make her comfortable)

[Coyote]

(09-10-2012 01:17 AM)XXL Wrote:  

what happens here? i deal with her logical side by saying safe logical thing that doesn't alarm her and at the same time i spike her emotions cause we're still talking and flirting. the basic rule is to give her excuses to talk to you to handle her logical objections in a not confrontational way BUT keep talking/flirting to the point of serious NO.

Man that’s good shit right there – I call it The Mark of the Adept.

I am gonna get a laugh out of you guys now because in its essence this reflects a Bible lesson.

Follow me here after you stop laughing!

Two sons are asked by a father to do something.

One sons says "yes father" but then complains about the chore, yet does it.

The other son say "yes father" in a respectful way, does not complain and is respectful. yet does not do what was asked of him.

The Bible story goes on to ask which son is to be favored – the one that did the chore or the one that did not..

Same as XXL says – you talk nice - yet you do not do the chore she is asking you to do (which is leaving).

The son that was respectful and nice (not belligerent and or woeful) yet did not do what was asked of him, is said to be favored by God.

As I have communicated to Roosh, so much of success in life and with women has to do with one's self definition and how you construct your character – which leads to how you handle yourself and how you deal with "getting hit" as XXL said in the Tyson quote (thanks XXL that quote was super valuable).

BTW we as men have failed ourselves by not defining ourselves, and therefore have become an extension of our woman's self definition (its like raising a child. if you do not lay out a game and game plan for them, they create one, and it's their game suited to their strengths so they can beat you at it - women do the same). You create the game plan by creating yourself (self defining). This takes time

People secure in character (know themselves) are attractive because women think they are solid and everyone else as well. Being solid means being consistent. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying to be predictable, but be predictable to yourself and it will radiate to others that you are a solid person (not easily swayed).

I am talking inside game here. Not outside game.

Now but back to the point -

Regarding the quote: Kung fu teaches one spontaneity and how to be pragmatic (build on what life brings you in the moment), that means you build upon what you have in front of you right now, and do your best with it. As a Taoist, I know that you always accept, rejection is a sign of imbalance. Do not argue with reality, or you will lose, but only 100% of the time (Jajajaja)! However - reality is adaptable in the moment - as long as you accept it!

The moment is all we really have and the moment is when you are hitting or being hit. In KFSS (kung fu san soo) we accept that if you are going to fight, you are going to get hit. So if you are going to live you are going to get hit with a lot of different things. What separates the victors and losers is how you resolve it.

As in game, it’s a question of who hits the most and who is hit least, but it's also a question of endurance. If you are hit a lot, but you have strength and stamina then you can endure more hits. In game, strength and stamina is character, which a main ingredient is confidence. You have to have the confidence to stand in there with another reply...

The point is that when you are hit, yes it's a blow, but it also an opportunity to use your ability to adjust your technique. As the Taoist say "crisis and opportunity walk through the same door." If you cannot accept this than you will have a hard time dealing with women, as they bring a lot of both crisis and opportunity (you might have had to live a good deal of life to understand that in the way I mean it / black belt "game" knowledge – so to speak).

The idea in kung fu is to self adjust so you can adapt to what is outside you (opponent, chick, boss, subordinate, whom or whatever). When you self adjust, you adapt with the challenge. Adaptation is important because you unite with the challenger. Once you become part of the challenger (or situation by staying in it, as XXL says to do) you can affect it – because you are united, - part of it. You cannot affect that of which you are not a part.

It is said that all we can control is ourselves. That is ture unless you are part of another self as in "united." You can be united mentally, physically or financially with another, and then you can affect it. I cannot affect someone without uniting my body to their body (as in striking the opponent). I cannot strike you physically with a look from my eyes. Yet I can affect you with my confidence (another story for another time).

Once you disengage because you do not self adjust (like walk away or give up after a rejection),you cannot adapt – because you are disengaged, therefore you cannot affect the situation in a way that transforms it to what you find acceptable.

When a challenge is present, the key is not winning as in "winners and losers." The goal is to transform what is in front of you in a mutually acceptable way (that is if you want business to repeat rather than destroy an opponent). That is exactly what XXL is illustrating when he says, yes tell her what she wants to hear (be respectful) but remain engaged (this is XXL saying – you self adjust to adapt with her). This allows you to transform a rejection into an acceptance.

Last kung fu philosophy for the day: It is counteraction or reversal. Counteraction or reversal is the mark of the adept (highly skilled). When you can take what is going bad and make it go good you have aligned heaven and earth (Taoist philosophy) and created balance through transformation (thus restoring harmony).

The art of transformation is the art of leading a skillful life... A lot of it has to do with palatability (tastefulness) so self adjustments fit the situation (acceptable) and therefore become adaptations (which keep you in the game and create an opportunity for counteraction/reversal) which is The Mark of the Adept.

I hope you guys find this useful because these long ass posts are killing my schedule!!! Jajaja

[Prowl]

Here's my terrible line that works most of the time.

The girl has to be on her phone like texting or something, but I frequent the college crowd so this is very common.

Just walk up and start giving her your phone number. Walk right up and say "oh it's 516-550...." blah blah blah, and then make and keep eye contact the minute she looks at you. When she looks confused just look nonplussed and be like "oh I thought you pulled out your phone to ask, just happens to me so often", etc.

They think it's cute, by and large, and it's not usually something they've heard before.


When they ask what I do for a living, I say I'm a Dolphin Trainer.

Dumb shit across the board, but dumb shit works for me.

[Kona]

Don't tell this one to too many people, and it only works on Australians. I don't know why it works, but it does.

When you hear a girl talking like she's Australian go up and say "Hey are you from Australia?"

When they say yes you say "You know I just heard Crocodile Dundee died" and then say "and it wasn't even a crocodile it was a stingray." They'll try to correct you but talk over them quickly and stick to crocodile Dundee and not the crocodile man. Say then argue with them over which one is which until the pull out an iPhone.

Next thing you know they're sucking your dick. Try it.

Aloha!

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

Superlike Tuthmosis' post. I've done the same line and I get rejected 9 out of ten times. Furthermore, you use it on a moving target, she ain't even gonna stop!

[Marcusg]

I do not want to derail the forum but I think this is somehow related. There is a youtube channel called simple pickup where three guys try to pick up girls in public using the cheesiest pick up lines.
The YouTube users usually vote on what pick up line they should use and these guys still pick up some pretty good chicks. Although they do not look 6'4 and ripped, I think girls consider them attractive.

I never used pick up lines before but it looks like fun.

[The Fantasist]

(09-02-2012 10:21 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

No.. it's called retarded British clowns that think we're stupid.

El Mech,I've seen you hating on Brits quite a few times and I was wondering where it stems from? I'm British and you've always been good to me on here by answering questions I post so I don't take it personally but I'm curious. Is it because of certain British posters on here or have you always thought we were dicks? You're not the only one who seems to have it in for us. Is our reputation tarnished by stag do dickheads?

Always interesting to get otner's perspectives on my own country.

[Mercenary]

(09-03-2012 02:48 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

If there were a Great War to defend the power of game, I'd enlist. But, for all of its power, the existence of game doesn't suddenly make good looks irrelevant.

In an aborted troll/research effort a couple of months back, I created a fake dating profile with a 6-foot-something cat with low-end "model" looks. Nearly every chick "I" messaged messaged "me" back--with an entirely different tone than I'm used to in real life. They lavished me with praise from the first message. My messages to them were shitty, unclever one-line greetings or quips. Chicks with bitchy, bad-attitude profiles melted into sweethearts miraculously. And, you should have seen what little effort I put into the profile. It was all based on "my" dashing looks.

But you really should have seen the unsolicited messages I got. Average chick after average chick would send me smilies and cutesy messages, as if it were Valentine's Day in junior-high school homeroom. It was fucking depressing. Scorching-hot girls (legit 9s, even by conservative estimates) would send me messages like this--basically throwing pussy at me. (Keep in mind, this guy wasn't a celebrity or had over-the-top model looks; he was just a good-looking guy.)



This is why I examine game advice from dudes with well-above average looks very closely. Unless they've honed that knife, they live in a different world than most of us.

Tight game will push every guy forward--regardless of looks. I would die on this hill. By extension, though, guys that are already further along are going to end up further up the line. But some dudes mistake success they get almost entirely on the basis of their looks with tight game. Remember, as an exceptionally good-looking (and, yes, tall) guy, you sometimes just have to show up--just like the guy in my fake profile. Your openers can be virtually anything, as long as they're (relatively) inoffensive.

This is not to pick on the OP, but I'm afraid his might be one such case. He may genuinely just not realize it.

(09-03-2012 02:58 AM)Scott Wrote:  

Tuth, did you post further analysis of that experiment somewhere? I would really like to read it and see what else we can extrapolate.

(09-03-2012 03:07 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I didn't.

1. I never finished the "project."

2. It was very involved and too time consuming, for very little yield (ultimately).

3. It was harming my game, by rubbing in my face just how much more regular guys have to work (see above).

4. It mostly confirmed things I already suspected.

5. The type of trolling I wanted to do was liable to get me IP banned from that site, which yields the real me a steady supply of real pussy.

I think I just swallowed a 2nd red pill reading that unfinished experiment from Tuth.

[Tytalus]

(09-02-2012 10:03 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(09-02-2012 09:36 PM)Alpha Mind Wrote:  

Eh, maybe so.

The fact is, if you roll up with charm and confidence, your odds are excellent, and you can bet your ass they'll be telling their friends about the approach later. Quick exit is key though.

Do you think your line would be as effective if you were 5'7" and average-looking? Assume you have the same amount of game, style, and attendant confidence.

Serious question.

Edit - realized this thread is a necro from 4 years ago lol.

[OO7]

Quote:

I think I just swallowed a 2nd red pill reading that unfinished experiment from Tuth.

Felt the same reading this back in the day:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread...=162407671

[SDGuerro]

I've had similar success and I also tried it while fairly intoxicated for the first time. I'm average height but... nevermind.

I was at a dive which has for some reason become more popular with hipsters lately. I catch a filipina 7 giving me the eye a couple times from across the bar. I am legitimately about to leave. I tell my boy to give me 2 minutes, and approach. "I saw you across the bar and thought you're kind cute so Hi, I'm Guerro. I'm about to leave but put your number in my phone and we can grab a drink some time' . She went on about 'kinda cute' and whatever, some clever sexual innuendos via txt and a late weeknight date at bar next to my place (thanks tuthmosis), and I got the first date bang even though she 'doesn't do that' on the first date.

Ever since then I realized that you literally have nothing to lose, especially when you're about to leave. 'palmala' or Rosie Palms will be there tomorrow but that chick from the bar might not be.

[Robert Plant]

If you are above average in looks and say it in an outcome independent, confident way, that line should work great with a decent number of approaches The key though is putting in the approaches.

When I was married and out with my buddies, I used to directly compliment women and almost always got super positive reactions. I did not want to cheat on my ex wife, I just liked the thrill of approach and flirting. When I got divorced I started learning about game and went away from direct. Indirect, especially MysteryMethod works better for nightgame but I am tired of it at this point. I might just try 10 direct approaches to see what happens. I think if I am truly outcome independent at a minimum I will see some very positive reactions.

By the way, having an ENGLISH accent and being reasonably tall/ good looking in the States is like being 35, white and good looking in the Philippines. You really are just playing don't fuck up game.

[PapayaTapper]

Worst line that works every time ?..."Hey let's fuck"

All you have to do is happen be one these guys