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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

The stench of beta emanating from this one is so strong that it actually made me cringe.

http://vmehta.conforums3.com/index.cgi?b...1340801815

No doubt the girl took him for a ride and for all practical purposes never had any affection for him, but he reacted in a typical beta rage and took her down.

Game would have helped him so much. It's when I come across incidents like this that I thank my lucky stars that I stumbled onto game and forums like this.

My first game article was this. Still remember the exact date and time when I read this and had my mind blown off.

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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

That isn't beta... that is the gunwitch method.
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

He made the presents himself without being asked for it.It is the common turkish,arab method they give you presents and expect sth in exchange.The girl reacted in typical western mode and gave nothing.The Indian regarded it as ingratitude and killed her(crimes of passion).One of the reasons many western women refuse to get involved with Arab etc men.They do not know what will happen to them when they break up.Many middle easterners,Indians want to take them to the grave for eternal love.
We see here the much better commodity a Mediterranean guy presents who is never so stupid to kill himself over a woman.(women usually killed themselves over Romeo"s).
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

It is a shame that this guy didn't have someone to explain to him how Western women operate.

And it's also a shame that this woman wasn't raised by parents who were able to teach her not to be a gold-digger.
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

And the sad thing is that there are hundreds of millions of Indian guys exactly like this guy. They will never know how to interact with a women so as to turn her on, flirt with her, charm her and eventually seduce her.
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Quote: (08-29-2012 07:33 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

He made the presents himself without being asked for it.It is the common turkish,arab method they give you presents and expect sth in exchange.The girl reacted in typical western mode and gave nothing.The Indian regarded it as ingratitude and killed her(crimes of passion).One of the reasons many western women refuse to get involved with Arab etc men.They do not know what will happen to them when they break up.Many middle easterners,Indians want to take them to the grave for eternal love.
We see here the much better commodity a Mediterranean guy presents who is never so stupid to kill himself over a woman.(women usually killed themselves over Romeo"s).

1. Indian culture is not the same as Arab or Turkish culture. The two regions aren't even adjacent on the map, let alone the differences between Arab and Turkish culture.

2. No culture has a monopoly on gift-giving. Imagine how many free dinners, drinks, movie tickets, dresses, pairs of shoes, etc are given to women every day in the USA.
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

Quote: (08-29-2012 09:04 AM)polymath Wrote:  

Quote: (08-29-2012 07:33 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

He made the presents himself without being asked for it.It is the common turkish,arab method they give you presents and expect sth in exchange.The girl reacted in typical western mode and gave nothing.The Indian regarded it as ingratitude and killed her(crimes of passion).One of the reasons many western women refuse to get involved with Arab etc men.They do not know what will happen to them when they break up.Many middle easterners,Indians want to take them to the grave for eternal love.
We see here the much better commodity a Mediterranean guy presents who is never so stupid to kill himself over a woman.(women usually killed themselves over Romeo"s).

1. Indian culture is not the same as Arab or Turkish culture. The two regions aren't even adjacent on the map, let alone the differences between Arab and Turkish culture.

2. No culture has a monopoly on gift-giving. Imagine how many free dinners, drinks, movie tickets, dresses, pairs of shoes, etc are given to women every day in the USA.

Kamaki makes an overly broad statement, but his point has validity. There are cultures where women choose men in the context of family and community. In those cultures being a good provider can attract quality women. In the west, women, especially young, hot woman, no longer choose men like that. They're free to chase what attracts them.

Most men who play the sugar daddy in the west understand what the deal is and choose to do it anyway. It is likely that this guy had no idea that he was being played.
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

[Image: Danielle%2BMehlman%2BBIG%252C%2BCLEAR%25...2B2012.jpg]

Dude went nutty over that?
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

Indians love blondes.
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

Quote: (08-29-2012 10:50 AM)Menace Wrote:  

Indians love blondes.

I'm no expert on blondes but she looks like a bottle blonde. Am I right or wrong?

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Quote: (08-29-2012 11:11 AM)Moma Wrote:  

I'm no expert on blondes but she looks like a bottle blonde. Am I right or wrong?

Of course she is a bottle blonde, but that is not the point. She has light skin, which is associated with higher social status in India. The rich Indian girls tend to be more Aryan (Caucasoid) than Dravidian (Australoid).

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Beta or not, women need to know that this move is dangerous. I'm not condoning his actions in the least, but when a guy pulls the kind of stunt she pulled, he has police hunting for him.

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"She didn't consider the relationship dating," Caputo said. "She said, 'he likes to buy me things,' and showed us this jewelry, a gold necklace and two bracelets. She said right in front of him, 'I'm not having sex with him, I've got a boyfriend.' " Caputo said that it didn't seem as if Mehlman was being mean, that she was matter-of-fact about it.

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#13

Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

The messed up thing is that there are people in his culture who would think she was the one messed up! Mixing of cultures poses huge problems.
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

On the other side of the coin girls leave shit at your house or buy you things when they like you strictly to use as last ditch bargaining chips. When they have their meltdown they come for the stuff or demand it back. That's the day you're going to get the best sex out of them I do this all the time. After I destroy their crap if they can't get it during break up sex
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

Quote: (08-29-2012 09:24 AM)j r Wrote:  

Quote: (08-29-2012 09:04 AM)polymath Wrote:  

Quote: (08-29-2012 07:33 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

He made the presents himself without being asked for it.It is the common turkish,arab method they give you presents and expect sth in exchange.The girl reacted in typical western mode and gave nothing.The Indian regarded it as ingratitude and killed her(crimes of passion).One of the reasons many western women refuse to get involved with Arab etc men.They do not know what will happen to them when they break up.Many middle easterners,Indians want to take them to the grave for eternal love.
We see here the much better commodity a Mediterranean guy presents who is never so stupid to kill himself over a woman.(women usually killed themselves over Romeo"s).

1. Indian culture is not the same as Arab or Turkish culture. The two regions aren't even adjacent on the map, let alone the differences between Arab and Turkish culture.

2. No culture has a monopoly on gift-giving. Imagine how many free dinners, drinks, movie tickets, dresses, pairs of shoes, etc are given to women every day in the USA.

Kamaki makes an overly broad statement, but his point has validity. There are cultures where women choose men in the context of family and community. In those cultures being a good provider can attract quality women. In the west, women, especially young, hot woman, no longer choose men like that. They're free to chase what attracts them.

Most men who play the sugar daddy in the west understand what the deal is and choose to do it anyway. It is likely that this guy had no idea that he was being played.

It's not broad so much as wrong.

I want to ask your opinion.... do you think that what you have to do in order to get a girl in an Arab country is to buy her some jewelry?

The sugar daddy role exists in many cultures. Honestly, oversimplifying cultures doesn't really serve a purpose. Obviously this dude didn't get the picture, but it's not because of Indian culture. And definitely not because of Arab or Turkish culture.

To my knowledge, it's not normal to kill a girl just because she doesn't want a relationship out of wedlock.
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Beta Indian guy gets used, then knocks off girl

Quote: (08-29-2012 11:53 AM)polymath Wrote:  

Quote: (08-29-2012 09:24 AM)j r Wrote:  

Quote: (08-29-2012 09:04 AM)polymath Wrote:  

Quote: (08-29-2012 07:33 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

He made the presents himself without being asked for it.It is the common turkish,arab method they give you presents and expect sth in exchange.The girl reacted in typical western mode and gave nothing.The Indian regarded it as ingratitude and killed her(crimes of passion).One of the reasons many western women refuse to get involved with Arab etc men.They do not know what will happen to them when they break up.Many middle easterners,Indians want to take them to the grave for eternal love.
We see here the much better commodity a Mediterranean guy presents who is never so stupid to kill himself over a woman.(women usually killed themselves over Romeo"s).

1. Indian culture is not the same as Arab or Turkish culture. The two regions aren't even adjacent on the map, let alone the differences between Arab and Turkish culture.

2. No culture has a monopoly on gift-giving. Imagine how many free dinners, drinks, movie tickets, dresses, pairs of shoes, etc are given to women every day in the USA.

Kamaki makes an overly broad statement, but his point has validity. There are cultures where women choose men in the context of family and community. In those cultures being a good provider can attract quality women. In the west, women, especially young, hot woman, no longer choose men like that. They're free to chase what attracts them.

Most men who play the sugar daddy in the west understand what the deal is and choose to do it anyway. It is likely that this guy had no idea that he was being played.

It's not broad so much as wrong.

I want to ask your opinion.... do you think that what you have to do in order to get a girl in an Arab country is to buy her some jewelry?

The sugar daddy role exists in many cultures. Honestly, oversimplifying cultures doesn't really serve a purpose. Obviously this dude didn't get the picture, but it's not because of Indian culture. And definitely not because of Arab or Turkish culture.

To my knowledge, it's not normal to kill a girl just because she doesn't want a relationship out of wedlock.

This was not a sugar daddy arrangement.The guy intended to marry the girl.Probably in this culture they give gifts and if the girl accepts she is somehow supposed to accept the offer.This is a common mistake Turks make as well.That a western girl accepts your girfts which she did not ask for in first place does not mean anything.she is not going to offer anything in exchange.
Sugar daddy arrangements in the West are largely discreet while Afghanis etc add to it an obligatory sense.I mean the girl is going to face repercussions if she changes mind or gets the gifts without reciprocation.How to explain that?Anyway this especially was not a case of failed sponsoring.
Also the real question is not ''what you have to do in Arab country is to buy for the girl some jewelry'' but íf you buy a girl in Arab country some jewelry is she obliged to give sth in exchange?The answer is yes.
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Quote: (08-29-2012 11:53 AM)polymath Wrote:  

Quote: (08-29-2012 09:24 AM)j r Wrote:  

Quote: (08-29-2012 09:04 AM)polymath Wrote:  

Quote: (08-29-2012 07:33 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

He made the presents himself without being asked for it.It is the common turkish,arab method they give you presents and expect sth in exchange.The girl reacted in typical western mode and gave nothing.The Indian regarded it as ingratitude and killed her(crimes of passion).One of the reasons many western women refuse to get involved with Arab etc men.They do not know what will happen to them when they break up.Many middle easterners,Indians want to take them to the grave for eternal love.
We see here the much better commodity a Mediterranean guy presents who is never so stupid to kill himself over a woman.(women usually killed themselves over Romeo"s).

1. Indian culture is not the same as Arab or Turkish culture. The two regions aren't even adjacent on the map, let alone the differences between Arab and Turkish culture.

2. No culture has a monopoly on gift-giving. Imagine how many free dinners, drinks, movie tickets, dresses, pairs of shoes, etc are given to women every day in the USA.

Kamaki makes an overly broad statement, but his point has validity. There are cultures where women choose men in the context of family and community. In those cultures being a good provider can attract quality women. In the west, women, especially young, hot woman, no longer choose men like that. They're free to chase what attracts them.

Most men who play the sugar daddy in the west understand what the deal is and choose to do it anyway. It is likely that this guy had no idea that he was being played.

It's not broad so much as wrong.

I want to ask your opinion.... do you think that what you have to do in order to get a girl in an Arab country is to buy her some jewelry?

The sugar daddy role exists in many cultures. Honestly, oversimplifying cultures doesn't really serve a purpose. Obviously this dude didn't get the picture, but it's not because of Indian culture. And definitely not because of Arab or Turkish culture.

To my knowledge, it's not normal to kill a girl just because she doesn't want a relationship out of wedlock.

Who said anything about it being normal to kill?

You're taking a very simple point, that this dude was likely not used to western gold diggers, and twisting it into something entirely different.
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Quote: (08-29-2012 11:39 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Beta or not, women need to know that this move is dangerous. I'm not condoning his actions in the least, but when a guy pulls the kind of stunt she pulled, he has police hunting for him.

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"She didn't consider the relationship dating," Caputo said. "She said, 'he likes to buy me things,' and showed us this jewelry, a gold necklace and two bracelets. She said right in front of him, 'I'm not having sex with him, I've got a boyfriend.' " Caputo said that it didn't seem as if Mehlman was being mean, that she was matter-of-fact about it.

I was going to quote the same exact passage. I don't have much sympathy for the girl, because she was deliberately playing him. Like J R said, a little game wisdom could've easily saved both their lives.

That said, sexual liberation vastly increases the opportunities for fits of sexual envy, and the occasional murders that ensue. A good deal of the murders of women are related to sex, in one way or another. This was a plot element in Houellebecq's Whatever. Also, like Kamaki and others have suggested, the likelihood of a violent response differs among groups and cultures.
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Quote: (08-29-2012 12:47 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Also, like Kamaki and others have suggested, the likelihood of a violent response differs among groups and cultures.

Precisely. Bad shit tends to happen when American chicks think they can walk all over foreign men the same way they walk over emasculated American men.

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If the dude had manned up and done something merely humiliating, like send nude pics of her to her church pastor or something, I think we'd all be applauding him.

I also love the bit about how she 'very quickly corrected' someone when they thought she was his girlfriend. That shit happens all the time with girls and their beta best friends. It's like you walking around in public with a fat chick, for some god forsaken reason. You maintain a minimum 10 foot distance from her so no one thinks you're together. If anyone pops that question, your effing soul cringes with disgust. Chicks don't for a moment want to be linked with a lame dude. They can't correct you quickly enough.
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The funny thing is that she likely thought that she was fine because she was being up front with him, as if taking expensive gifts doesn't create certain expectations. She played with fire and she got burnt. I won't go so far as to say that she deserved it, cause she didn't. Fucking with people's emotions, however, is a dangerous game.
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Happened in my home state. Gunwitch was let go finally, so it was fake shooting to the face. She messed with the wrong beta.
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Quote: (08-29-2012 11:39 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Beta or not, women need to know that this move is dangerous. I'm not condoning his actions in the least, but when a guy pulls the kind of stunt she pulled, he has police hunting for him.
There is a double standard there, so I fundamentally agree with you, but to be honest, I've given up on the double standard argument. They're just a fact of life, and that's not changing anytime soon.

And you're also correct that this girl pulled a dangerous move. A guy drops a lot of cash on you, and you blow him off as "just friends" and publicly proclaim to random strangers that not only is he not fucking you, but he will never fuck you. And to rub salt in the wound, you make it known that you're fucking someone else, and fully intend to fuck other guys. And to do that while beta boy is present is fucking cold, cruel, and setting yourself up to die from multiple stab wounds in a seedy motel room.

This girl was a stripper. She knew how the game worked. I'm not saying what he did was right. All I'm saying is that what she did was stupid.

FWIW, this issue isn't racial or cultural from the guy's perspective. Plenty of Indian guys get humiliated like this every day and they run off with their tails tucked between their legs. And when it happens to "emasculated American guys" they go George Sodini on a bitch. It should be chalked up to the volatile nature of the extreme beta state of mind.
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Quote: (08-29-2012 02:03 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

FWIW, this issue isn't racial or cultural from the guy's perspective. Plenty of Indian guys get humiliated like this every day and they run off with their tails tucked between their legs. And when it happens to "emasculated American guys" they go George Sodini on a bitch. It should be chalked up to the volatile nature of the extreme beta state of mind.

I don't know why people are making generalizations about this.

It's not betas who are emotional, it's not Indians, it's not emasculated men who are volitile...

All people, all of the time, are capable of snapping when faced with an extreme emotional stimulus.

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Quote: (08-29-2012 02:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

All people, all of the time, are capable of snapping when faced with an extreme emotional stimulus.

Examples:

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