[Greek kamaki]

For example today I had a shitty interaction with a Romanian girl.She was laughing and smiling all the time and was receptive but I could not think fast enough to adjust.I told her the right things but with delay.(like playing the right notes in an instrument but slowly).However she responded well despite my lack of speed.If the girl had more requirements I would likely fall short but in this case it worked.

[XXL]

(08-23-2012 02:43 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In this case the girl responded so she was hooked.He however could not calibrate and respond according to her state and energy.

apparently we have different definitions of hooking a girl.

hooking in my books means the girl is engaged and invested EMOTIONALLY in the interaction in that video it was like one sided interview. sure she stayed but so what.

look at them, now this is what i call hooking:

[Samseau]

Wow Greek Kamaki is on fire in this thread.

Not only did he tear apart the first video to the point where I don't believe any of it, but he said that in the second video she looks at the camera. I watched it, and see for yourself:

From 2:36 and 3:05




As long as beta's keep falling for this shit, they will continue to be scammed by these PUA companies...

[Screwston]

Haha! I knew something was up with the first video. She was into him way to much but he kind of looked like a typical jock so I let it slide. At least Sasha has REAL videos.

[Greek kamaki]

I think they must have encountered some sort of legal prosecution for these videos so they now inform the girls in advance that a camera is working.I make this assumption.The approaches are not completely staged but the girls are talked to before and know about camera.
In the case of the first video the cameraman avoids to show the face of the girl for the same reason.When she asks for the photo this is red alert.The guy could be easily accused thereafter.

[Greek kamaki]

(08-23-2012 03:08 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(08-23-2012 02:43 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In this case the girl responded so she was hooked.He however could not calibrate and respond according to her state and energy.

apparently we have different definitions of hooking a girl.

hooking in my books means the girl is engaged and invested EMOTIONALLY in the interaction in that video it was like one sided interview. sure she stayed but so what.

look at them, now this is what i call hooking:

Paul Janka does it right.He has right body language,right position,talks in right tone and delivers right material.That is why he is successful.This comes from experience.Paul Janka could have easily turned the odds in his favour if he were in the place of the guy in the first video because the girl was talking.
If Scandinavian girls do not bother to talk they just deliver one sentence and stop.Here girls may not talk at all give the cold shoulder completely.The reason is that talking will be interpreted as invitation.In this context the girl responded positively in general in the beginning despite the guy's mistakes but he pushed in the same direction.

[Juan Antonio]

Greek Kamaki, in all these videos it's always English guys going after foreign girls. Why do we not see more successful day game cold approaches of English guys going after local English girls, or American guys going after American girls (except Paul Janka)?

Interested in your thoughs.

[Greek kamaki]

(08-23-2012 04:34 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

Greek Kamaki, in all these videos it's always English guys going after foreign girls. Why do we not see more successful day game cold approaches of English guys going after local English girls, or American guys going after American girls (except Paul Janka)?

Interested in your thoughs.

English guys can pull English girls by cold approaches.I guess they do not show on video because:
1.English girls may react when they find out they got videotaped
2.A beautiful foreign girl is more likely to respond to weaker appearance,less expensive clothes,less status than a beautiful English girl
3.Maybe their students have negative opinions and experiences with English girls and want to experiment with foreign girls they want to see it possible.

I do not know the situation with american girls.
We have to admit English guys have some strong points especially this accent and imperial status they project.English girls require high level of game in my opinion they want to be entertained.They are very direct.

[Juan Antonio]

The vast majority of day game closes I've seen have been:

1) local guys going after foreign girls without an established large social circle
2) foreign guys going after local girls and playing up their exotic card

Also, it's always easier to lay foreign chicks than locals, especially if you're a local yourself. When one of you is foreign or when she is in a foreign environment, a lot of social rules as to what is acceptable and what isn't tend to go out the window. This is why expats find it easier to get laid no matter where they are, why European guys get laid more in the US, why American guys get laid more in Europe etc. It's the foreign factor. Some of the most successful players are guys who target a certain foreign demographic or move abroad themselves.

My opinion is that you need much more "alpha capital" to lay a local chick if you're a local yourself, whereas a foreign guy can get away with a lot of shortcomings because they either get lost in translation or they are purposely overlooked.

[WestCoast]

Nice grab!

I think people should stop loading up "videos" of "pua". Seriously, I bet guys try to copy what he says line for line and go out there with this crap. It just doesn't work.

The 10 mins spent watching this shit was 10 mins wasted this is the last time I watch a "pua video"

(08-23-2012 03:43 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Wow Greek Kamaki is on fire in this thread.

Not only did he tear apart the first video to the point where I don't believe any of it, but he said that in the second video she looks at the camera. I watched it, and see for yourself:

From 2:36 and 3:05




As long as beta's keep falling for this shit, they will continue to be scammed by these PUA companies...

[Ramon Zarate]

Janka is brilliant. He's like me in the day time... only way better. Definitely better than Matrix in that first video - why did that conversation feel really off? The going for the kiss seemed really forced and as Kamaki mentioned there were a ton of open ended questions at the start. Also I would be happy if Jon never said "you know" ever again.

[Neo]

(08-23-2012 06:42 PM)Ramon Zarate Wrote:  

Janka is brilliant. He's like me in the day time... only way better. Definitely better than Matrix in that first video - why did that conversation feel really off? The going for the kiss seemed really forced and as Kamaki mentioned there were a ton of open ended questions at the start. Also I would be happy if Jon never said "you know" ever again.

Agreed, Janka is smooth in all the vids I've seen of him. I have a different style, but have learned a lot from his vibe and conversations.

[Juan Antonio]

How much of Matrix's awkwardness is due to him talking to a girl who doesn't speak English as a first language? I also think the English have a different style of game from Americans. Matrix has a more refined mellow English gentleman style. Paul Janka is more of an American smoothtalking Hollywood playboy.

I agree that Janka's smooth. Also because he's an American talking to American girls his interactions appear more smooth. I also think Janka's style is more suited to American girls.

[Krauser]

Good grief there's so much foolishness on this thread from guys who don't know the first thing about daygame. I know Jon well. I live with Steve. They are both for real, and though Jon is good Steve is considerably better at this stuff. These are not fake videos. They are a bit stilted because street kiss closes usually are, they are so intrinsically weird.

And to put Sasha above these two guys is like outrageous.

[Screwston]

(08-23-2012 08:58 PM)Krauser Wrote:  

Good grief there's so much foolishness on this thread from guys who don't know the first thing about daygame.

[Sebastian]

It's really easy to judge someone by watching a video.

Can you imagine filming yourself? Most people are movie camera shy. Am I the only one feeling awkward when I see myself when I walk by movie camera isle at costco? (geez I look like criminal)

This is not like acting since there is no script. It's like a live show with unknown scenario.
Once you have someone record it and watch it, I am sure you will get goose bumps all over because you don't like the way you look, don't like your posture, don't like the way you talk and don't like your body language.

[soup]

(08-23-2012 08:58 PM)Krauser Wrote:  

Good grief there's so much foolishness on this thread from guys who don't know the first thing about daygame. I know Jon well. I live with Steve. They are both for real, and though Jon is good Steve is considerably better at this stuff. These are not fake videos. They are a bit stilted because street kiss closes usually are, they are so intrinsically weird.

And to put Sasha above these two guys is like outrageous.

Krauser, what do you think of Janka?

Kamaki, I disagree that the video is fake unless they are really good actors. That's a hot kiss- it feels like we are watching a movie.

[Greek kamaki]

(08-23-2012 09:16 PM)soup Wrote:  

(08-23-2012 08:58 PM)Krauser Wrote:  

Good grief there's so much foolishness on this thread from guys who don't know the first thing about daygame. I know Jon well. I live with Steve. They are both for real, and though Jon is good Steve is considerably better at this stuff. These are not fake videos. They are a bit stilted because street kiss closes usually are, they are so intrinsically weird.

And to put Sasha above these two guys is like outrageous.

Krauser, what do you think of Janka?

Kamaki, I disagree that the video is fake unless they are really good actors. That's a hot kiss- it feels like we are watching a movie.

I did not write that the video is fake.I wrote that the girl was told there was a camera filming.I think they told her deliberately because probably there were likely cases where girls accused them of videotaping them despite their will and uploading the videos in internet for public view.Imagine a girl being labeled the slut of the day by her friends after such a video goes up.
So now they take precautions(because they are proffessionals and easy to find) and probably warn the girls in advance that there is a camera shooting so the girls are informed and will not take legal actions against them.This is what I wrote.

In the first video because the cameraman did not know the law status in Norway regarding videotaping took his precautions by not shooting the face but just the body of the girl.However the girl suspected what was going on told the guy about the mic he had on and then she proceeded to take a photo of him in case anything happened(eg showing her face on internet,the guy being a rapist and not letting her go after etc).They do not show us what was her answer to the question about coffee because I believe it was negative.

[Greek kamaki]

(08-23-2012 08:03 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

How much of Matrix's awkwardness is due to him talking to a girl who doesn't speak English as a first language? I also think the English have a different style of game from Americans. Matrix has a more refined mellow English gentleman style. Paul Janka is more of an American smoothtalking Hollywood playboy.

I agree that Janka's smooth. Also because he's an American talking to American girls his interactions appear more smooth. I also think Janka's style is more suited to American girls.

Paul Janka seems very experienced.In the first video he shows serious balls when a black guy is standing in his back pretending to listening to music while in reality overhearing his conversation.Paul Janka does not give a damn.
In the second video he puts his body in a 90 degree angle to the girl which is perfect at the given moment.On the one hand she can easily escape since he technically does not stand in front of her(so remaining there shows she wants to stay-it shows to her) and on the other hand Janka's body position is very strong because he does not bend and keeps his hands moving in front of girl so she has to pay attention either to his hands or turn her head(and then her body) to look at him.In a way he forces her to talk with him in a subtle way and although first she refuses to turn her head and her body stands at going away direction(most guys would eject after this display) after some minutes of talking she turns actually to him meaning his pick up was powerful.
He also shows balls when he stands in front of a glass entrance with lots of people coming in and out and probably in view of shop cameras.Notice when he notices the girl he stands with his back to the wall which is very good position(to avoid surprises from behind) but he has to change his position to a less beneficial one(in front of glass entrance) to catch the girl while she moves.By wearing the hat he makes more difficult for the shop and road cameras to recognize him.

Generally the guy is a Czech-American and Czechs are smooth indeed and devils we have to admit that.

[Samseau]

If the girl knows she's being filmed, it's not a pickup. The second a camera is involved women become actresses.

[RawGod]

I haven't watched all the videos in this thread, but I've watched the one with the English guy and the Latin girl, and I think it's legit. It was posted at Krauser's blog.
The dude's buddy is hovering around with a camera in his clothing, and the girl glances at him a couple of times, that's all.

[Richie]

(08-23-2012 04:34 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

Greek Kamaki, in all these videos it's always English guys going after foreign girls. Why do we not see more successful day game cold approaches of English guys going after local English girls, or American guys going after American girls (except Paul Janka)?

Interested in your thoughs.

QUite simply it's because there are a lot of young foreign girls in London and they are better looking than the English girls. It's not like we are going out specifically to find foreign girls?!
I have been hitting the streets for the past week and all but one girl who was from Liverpool turned out to be outside the UK. Got a date with smoking lithuanian... solid 8. I have not had an 8 in a long time. An English 8 is hard to find and even if you do her social circle is going to be through the roof and probably would not give you the time of day... but would still approach.
P.S. THe videos are definitely not fake. THey are too awkward to be staged. Some of you sound like a bunch of conspiracy theorists. THose shots where she appears to be looking at the camera.... lol. Thats like finding the shot of the twin towers exploding before the plane hits.

[BigAlexBoss]

There are guys posting on this thread who sound like they have never done a day approach in their lives.

Jon Matrix works with daygame.com in london and these guys do almost nothing but daygame street pickup, much like Krauser (who also knows his shit). Torrero also works for them and is a damn fine teacher too.

For those of us who daygame every day, Jon's video is a wonderful example of PLOUGHING. Shes a teen, she's shy, English isn't her first language, she doesn't have anything interesting to say. She gives him NOTHING, and he keeps going, wonderfully when 90% of the dudes on this forum would have ejected prematurely. He has followed the n1 principle of daygame: If she doesn't walk away from the interaction, no matter how disinterested she looks or like she wants you to f*** off, she is IOIng you and you must continue to plough.

I don't care for the street kiss close which considerably increases ASD and reduces your eventual chances of banging her, but you will notice he bounces her for the IDATE at the end of the clip and will continue to work on her from there.

Steve's also the real deal (dude in the second video)

Remember guys, these boys (exception of Krauser) are selling bootcamps and the daygame kiss close is a wonderful way to show noobs the potential of daygame.

None of the pros do daygame kiss closes when they are sarging off video - they stick to tried and tested daygame techniques that optimise bang %s. To say Steve and Jon use actresses is moronic.

Compared to these boys, Sasha is a clown, he makes me want to vomit on my polo ralph lauren.

[Krauser]

(08-23-2012 09:16 PM)soup Wrote:  

(08-23-2012 08:58 PM)Krauser Wrote:  

Good grief there's so much foolishness on this thread from guys who don't know the first thing about daygame. I know Jon well. I live with Steve. They are both for real, and though Jon is good Steve is considerably better at this stuff. These are not fake videos. They are a bit stilted because street kiss closes usually are, they are so intrinsically weird.

And to put Sasha above these two guys is like outrageous.

Krauser, what do you think of Janka?

Kamaki, I disagree that the video is fake unless they are really good actors. That's a hot kiss- it feels like we are watching a movie.

I've never met Janka and only watched a few of his videos. I'm inclined to think he's for real. Especially that appearance on Dr Phil - he projected precisely the type of vibe that is consistent with the success he claims.

[BigAlexBoss]

The problem with Janka is this:

Never take game advice from a guy who is 185+ cm and looks like an Armani model.