[kinggibraltar]

I'm a long time reader of Rooshv. Great stuff man...you and Roissy are my fav DC based blogs.

Anyway, I was reading your post about How Easy American Women are, but I can't understand what the hell I'm doing wrong.

In High School - I got laid easily

In College - I got laid even more

Out of College in the USA - NOTHING!

Trip to Costa Rica - I'm managing a harem of 6 girls easily

Dominican Republic - Laid like a king (althought I paid for it twice)

Puerto Rico - NOTHING! LOL

So my question is WHY do I have such a hard time gaming American Women when I don't already have prior social connections?


I'm moving to South America in March b/c USA is getting on my nerves (obesity, lies, corporate crime, bad food, terrible social life, cold weather in DC, etc)

Any insights here? Everybody else bangs US women easily while I struggle.

[thegmanifesto]

kinggibraltar,

You problem is common.

Many falter in the post college age.

America is f*cked. To swoop in the post college age:

You need to roll hipster/ wimpster style or

Spike hair, wear Ed Hardy, Go to Rehab Sundays or

Be a corporate slave dork, with striped shirts, condo, IKEA furniture or

Follow The G Manifesto to The Seventh Letter

Honestly.

Guess which one I do?

[Whoremonger]

STATUS

In those poor south american countries, your yankee dollars, yankee education and yankee upbringing make you a high status male. Which means that women are more receptive and naturally more attracted to you. All you are doing is experiencing the kind of lifestyle a wealthy businessman or musician would experience.

[InternationPlayboy]

(01-14-2010 07:58 AM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

STATUS

In those poor south american countries, your yankee dollars, yankee education and yankee upbringing make you a high status male. Which means that women are more receptive and naturally more attracted to you. All you are doing is experiencing the kind of lifestyle a wealthy businessman or musician would experience.

Please, that is a crock of shit

[InternationPlayboy]

If anything you are going to have to work harder unless you know spanish because a good number of girls you are going to meet aren´t gonig to know english, and on top of that I think Brazilian girls (I cant speak for the rest of South America) are quite harder to score than Americans. They definitely arent as easy, but the reward is better.

[lilactag]

The "status" Whoremonger wrote about may apply to only the lower class of the girls you encounter in South America, it definitely doesn't apply to middle and upper classes, which I expect are most of a travelling gamers objectives, because those are the ones you find in cafes, shopping malls, pubs and clubs.

These girls are way more difficult and many times, more sophisticated than their "american" girls counterparts, besides finding gringos cute, they won't make themselves readily available, even more because "gringos" normally left the bad rapport of being a bit arrogant and not too sophisticated.

Reality is that game is what brings you girls anywhere in the world at the lowest expense of money.

[kerouac]

(01-14-2010 12:56 PM)lilactag Wrote:  

The "status" Whoremonger wrote about may apply to only the lower class of the girls you encounter in South America, it definitely doesn't apply to middle and upper classes....

Judging by the South American girls I've met who come to US to visit (which obviously means they are from the upper spectrum of their society's economy), they are typically very difficult to pump and dump.

It's always an issue of respect. If they come from good families, they don't want to show that they're "low" by fucking around. In a sense, they understand the value of not throwing it around, so they make sure they don't seem like a slut in public.

The most important thing for them, in a sense, is their status in society. It is very important in most countries outside of the western world to maintain your air of superiority over the other classes. In the west that sort of frame-of-mind is thought of as bourgeois, but everywhere else it is thought of as the normal way.

Sure, as Whoremonger mentions, going to some poorer regions, your status as a relatively wealthy dude will go along way... but the upper-middle, and upper, classes of South America are very wealthy, and your bargain-hunting wealth will probably be almost-laughable to them.

Just a thought. I guess it all really depends on the type of girl you're going after, and what you want.

[Whoremonger]

(01-14-2010 09:03 AM)Brandon E Wrote:  

(01-14-2010 07:58 AM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

STATUS

In those poor south american countries, your yankee dollars, yankee education and yankee upbringing make you a high status male. Which means that women are more receptive and naturally more attracted to you. All you are doing is experiencing the kind of lifestyle a wealthy businessman or musician would experience.

Please, that is a crock of shit

Of course it is!You could be a poor, fat chud from a ghetto and a little bit of game is going to land you that supermodel! Yes! We are all pornstars once we master Mystery Method! Is this why Roosh backpacking through Brazil is finding Brazil is anything but the easy lay outpost he thought it was? I mean this guy SELLS advice on game, yet you can see the frustration in his posts at times.

An average middle class wage in most South American countries, along with the average quality of life and standard of living is lower than any other first world country. The upper middle class lives well, but the quantity of people who live in that segment is in the minority. You are seen as a wealthy and exotic when you are abroad. In some places, the kind of guy that wont beat her once a week. You are a catch, just like the surgeon in LA or the senior executive in NY. Unless you are coming across as a budget traveler or backpacker.

When you fuck women overseas its because you are either a novelty fuck or because she is attracted to you. That much is obvious. And attraction is based on the same basic principles the world over because we are all wired the same way. The reason why its easier to have that harem is because you have less competition for poon while you have more to offer. Women will share a successful man rather than be stuck with a loser its often said and there is a lot of truth to that.

Men traveling from first world countries to developing countries in general have a better chance because they have elevated status. A little more money, a better education, less aggressive (which is seen as a good thing in many of the places we go to) If you speak the local language its easier to build rapport because it gives you a few more openings and conversation pieces while you try to break the ice.

I see a lot of bitching on this forum about how South American girls are hard work. They are easy once you throw some dollars around. You travel on a budget and you cant afford that bottle of champagne? Welcome to the same challenges the locals deal with on a daily basis as they put up with conservative values. Got a bit of a gut and out of shape? Good luck landing a hotty.

Another thing to remember is that Americans in general have a bad reputation overseas. You are going to come across some level of animosity at times simply because of where you come from. Thats a challenge you have to deal with, and one most first world travelers dont have to contend with at all.

South America and Eastern Europe, when it comes to women, IS PARADISE.

Ironic how most on this forum find Argentina is the most difficult place to score in, while that happens to have the wealthiest middle class in South America, yet people want to continue to deny the impact STATUS has on attraction.

[Whoremonger]

I would like to add, from a foreigners point of view with regards to American women, that I have found them to be very easy. They are very aggressive and they let you know when they like you. They are quick to fuck too. Now every single American woman I have ever nailed has been on holiday (and any chick on holiday is out for cock no matter where they come from) or on a business trip (often creates the same mindset as travel) so its difficult to judge what they would be like if they were in their own hometown. I have never been to the USA itself, so it might be a different story there

In general though, American women put out quickly. I found them to be as forward as most Scandinavian girls.

[The_CEO]

W.M.:

Whether or not what you're saying has any truth to it, it's useful to note that you're not an American, you've never been to the US, so you have no direct, concrete experience with what you're expounding. And really, that comes across in what you're writing... a lot of statements without some experience backing it up.

[Roosh]

Kind of an obvious question but.. do you approach? If so, where and with how much frequency.

[Whoremonger]

toddh, I miss the point you are trying to make? What do you base the assumption you just made on?

I am very well traveled, and travel for both business and pleasure almost 4-5 months of the year on average. So my views are those of a western traveler who travels frequently, and rarely with the concern of having to pay for flights or accommodation. Also, being in a country on business does a lot for the way women perceive you. Going to Brazil for a holiday as a single man on your own makes many think you are a sex tourist for example. Be there for 6 weeks on business, with plans to return? The ladies are a little more open to your advances. I am fortunate to be in this position, but at the same time it allows me to provide a different perspective to the one that seems to come from budget travelers on this forum.

With regards to my statement that Americans are viewed poorly abroad, they are not views I share, but they are the views of many locals in the countries you visit. American foreign policy is something that does its citizens no favours at all sometimes, regardless of if you think you are the good guys or not. Not only that, but Americans tend to be a lot more outspoken. Loud, brash, rude, arrogant at times. Again, the cultural differences are there and people formed general opinions of Americans based on experiences with them over time. Being an American is an advantage in some places, but its also a hindrance in others. Just the way it is. Dont take it personally, I dont mean any offense by it.

With regards to my views on American women, I was open about the fact that my experiences are with those who were traveling, so my experiences my not paint an accurate picture when it comes to the way they are at home. All women are cock hungry when single abroad.

Roosh, I do approach quite a bit. I prefer bars, but I also meet a lot of women along the way. Maybe a cute travel agent that helped me out on a particular day, an attractive woman behind a check out counter. If I can open them and they provide some indication of interest, Ill push for the number or the chance to meet up later. I get shot down plenty, but I come right plenty too. Im under no illusions though as to why these women give me the time of day though. Its because I am something different, maybe a little exotic, maybe they find me attractive, but the real reason is because they expect me to have money. Im the rich foreigner. All this talk of game, when cultural and language differences are so big, misses half the reason why game is so powerful in the west in the first place. Social manipulation and indications of value are easier to present when you share similar cultures and language. Those nuances are lost in translation I am afraid.

[InternationPlayboy]

The only way you are going to get a higher status is if it is with the poorer girls, like someone above was saying. For the most part if you want to score hot girls they are going to be the richer or middle class girls, who probably have just as much if not more money than you or your family.

[UgSlayer]

(01-15-2010 08:16 AM)toddh Wrote:  

W.M.:

Whether or not what you're saying has any truth to it, it's useful to note that you're not an American, you've never been to the US, so you have no direct, concrete experience with what you're expounding. And really, that comes across in what you're writing... a lot of statements without some experience backing it up.

Regardless, what he says about status is definitely true. In my experience, being an American abroad has done nothing but help my interactions.

It's politically incorrect to state that girls are attracted to money, but this is also definitely true, even with the upper-class Brazilians. I know this from experience. I stayed with a family friend in Sao Paulo who is pretty weathly. He introduced me to people my age, and interacting with them it was clear that status, money, and education play a role in attraction. There are ways to overcome this, of course, but it takes special circumstances, awesome game, and a bit of luck. I think this fetishizing and pedastalization of upperclass and middle class girls abroad being more family oriented and having more self-respect is ridiculous. These girls are horny and want to fuck as well. Respect and being family oriented have little to do with the physical urges. And they will rationalize just like American girls do. A group of 4 girls I was out with in SP were very interested in me, even with my game not up to par. I don't remember the major factors of attraction in that instance, but being American was definitely part of it. These are girls who have been to the US, and a few had studied abroad in the United States.

[Roosh]

Question was meant for kinggibraltar to see why he can't get laid much after college.

[Whoremonger]

(01-15-2010 11:10 AM)Brandon E Wrote:  

The only way you are going to get a higher status is if it is with the poorer girls, like someone above was saying. For the most part if you want to score hot girls they are going to be the richer or middle class girls, who probably have just as much if not more money than you or your family.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

How do you know how much money I make? Its one fucking assumption after another with you.

You do know that your DOLLAR gives you PURCHASING POWER, which in DEVELOPING COUNTRIES allows you to purchase a hell of a lot more? 100k a year in the USA is nothing special. Make that and live half the year in a developing country and you going to be living a shitload better than the locals do. Its like making 500k a year in the USA

People are idiots. The reason why the foreign girls are going for you is because they believe you have more to offer in general, or because you are exotic and different. If you think "game" is the defining factor when you are in a country with a different culture and language you are a moron.

Seriously. I question your ability to get laid on your own home turf and wonder if these trips are for sex outright because you think it will be easier. Which it actually is, its a hell of a lot easier, WHEN YOU HAVE MORE TO OFFER THE LOCALS.

Russia, Brazil, Argentina, the USA. It does not matter where you go. Status is king. You just have more of it when you visit developing countries because your currency and standard of living is higher.

[Roosh]

Quote:

Its one fucking assumption after another with you

I sent you a PM yesterday to chill out but you haven't. It's time for you to take a week off. Come back cool or don't come back at all.

[InternationPlayboy]

Wow, I never claimed to know how much this guy was making. But whatever. I was just talking about in general, the average person that visits this site, it seems like most arent really RICH, but more travelers like myself who maybe save up for a while so they can travel for example. And I´m not sure if whoremonger has met many South American people in general, more than just a quick conversation at a bar, but a lot of people I meet from South America, could give a fuck less about how much money you have. What they care about is happiness. I have told many people in South America about how life in the US is easier in a lot of ways as far as making money goes, and also other things, for example, we pay taxes, and we see the result. We have nice roads, sewage systems, and many things that they lack in some parts of South America. I tell them how most people in the US live alone after 20, since it seems most people here live with parents until they are married. For most of them though, that doesnt matter to them. They enjoy living with their family and they don´t necissarily have big dreams of making millions of dollars. They are more concerned with being happy. They don´t need a Ferrari or a beach house. They would be happy being middle class, with a house for their family and enough money to live comfortably, not glamorously.

[InternationPlayboy]

And one more thing I wanted to point out to anyone thinking of traveling to South America. Flashing your wealth, is a good way to get robbed or even kidnapped. Keep that in mind.

[thegmanifesto]

" And one more thing I wanted to point out to anyone thinking of traveling to South America. Flashing your wealth, is a good way to get robbed or even kidnapped. Keep that in mind. "

Great point. I always travel to heavy places low-profile.

[lilactag]

As already pointed out, in SA wealth perception is not so important with girls at some levels, let me explain:
- up to middle class girls, chances are a gaming tourists from EU or US will be much well off than them, but still on a tight budget to travel further, girls met by day game or some clubs will be interested or allured to you because you are a gringo, not because you are richer or they want to nail you to marry them. In most cases is just the higher profile to their peers of dating a good looking foreign.

- upper classes: they will have the same basic perception of you to date some days, because they can be open about it, too. But your hip game and 1st World wealth will only take you to their clubs and parties as a leveler and ID card to enter their world, after that, it is all about game, because they are not thinking about dating you for a long time (same as you), but they prefer a gringo who won't be "amazed" at their wealth or be completely out of their style.
Therefore, it helps you only as social proof that you can be equals, which is important in the upper classes (all over the world)

Many travelers flash wealth in their lowly class, bad style and that way only attracts the poor, sleazy locals.

Normal girls will completely give the cold shoulder to that type of travelers.

[kinggibraltar]

(01-15-2010 12:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Question was meant for kinggibraltar to see why he can't get laid much after college.

I approach and get numbers pretty easily. Unfortunately, most women never return the calls. So my turnover rate is extremely high.

Tried to work some Facebook game, but the girls are ONLY interested in attention. Once I make a call to action (exchange numbers, etc), they never respond or act like a offended their honor.

Sad thing is the last AW I dated...The worst I treated her, the more she wanted me. It's really against my belief system to treat someone like shit for a certain effect.

I flow better in Latin America, love football (soccer..not the American version), and can make it overseas without having to work a job.

Lastly, I know other college educated guys who have good jobs, smart, and these girls play them like fiddles. I, on the other hand, am on the sidelines watching so to speak.

[kinggibraltar]

I think money is a lot less important than you think. Game is all that matters. period.

In Latin America, I got smiles, looks, and IOI from solid 8's and 9's in my book. Would these chick even look at me in USA? Hell no.

Prime example, while in the Dominican Republic, I'm walking through a casino and this solid HB 8.5 waves to me. I wave back, and she says "Do you remember me?"

Now guys, I had only been there 2 days, and could not remember this girl to save my life. It turns out we met yestersday, but I literally forgot who she was because of ALL the other knockouts that reside in the DR.

The general vibe is VERY DIFFERENT. VIBES have nothing to do with money. I think it's pretty pathetic that I can sit on the metro bus and hear my heartbeat because NOBODY is interacting with each other.

Contrast this to other places, and you can barely hear yourself think because everyone is so open and friendly.

This "FEAR" based US culture is killing men and women slowly. THat's why you see shows like "Cougar Town". I mean WTF. Foreigners are laughing at the US media...praying they don't end up as pathetic as the USA portrays themselves.

Lastly, I believe the American culture is BEYOND MY CONTROL, therefore, I believe living overseas is the BEST solution to cure my problem. More women or less women, either way, I get more out of life than I'm receiving now.

[lilactag]

(01-21-2010 01:20 PM)kinggibraltar Wrote:  

This "FEAR" based US culture is killing men and women slowly. THat's why you see shows like "Cougar Town". I mean WTF. Foreigners are laughing at the US media...praying they don't end up as pathetic as the USA portrays themselves.

Lastly, I believe the American culture is BEYOND MY CONTROL, therefore, I believe living overseas is the BEST solution to cure my problem. More women or less women, either way, I get more out of life than I'm receiving now.

Well, that I can definitely agree, if you are in a society that doesn't fit you, it is too naive to think you can change it, so the best way out to happiness is to move somewhere else where you preceive you could be happy. I am trying to work that out for the end of this year, I want to move somewhere else, even if i have lived in many countries already (mostly Europe) I still miss something and i want to get it.