[aphelion]

PUSSY IS FOR CLOSERS ONLY

[theking]

I worked for around one year at a door to door sales company both part-time and full time. Similar experience, however, I enjoyed the work to a fair degree. You definitely get to meet some very charismatic, albeit perhaps morally questionable people. I knew one person that made over $5000 in a week, not bad for a 23 year old. Overall, I can't really think of a better experience in terms of improving one's "game".

[ColSpanker]

It's not for everyone, but we all need to sell ourselves at some point.
I've got my share of cold calling horror stories, I'm sure everyone does. Sales was my key in the cake.
Anyone trying to start a business will need to learn sales, unless you are selling water in a desert. And watch how fast the other water vendors show up!
My current day job has me selling industrial maintenance services to small companies. I could create a blog just about the shit I have to endure every day. I don't worry about someone taking my lunch; there isn't much to take and they would have to slog through a swamp to get it. So go ahead and try.
I've had prospects rip my brochures up in front of my face. I've had other one laugh at me when I gave a modest proposal. I had a site manager get in my face and start yelling at me (thought about inviting him out to the back of the building to discuss it further, but all his people were standing around me. Too bad, I've been wanting to try a certain 7-inch punch). But my favorites are the cocksuckers who will let you think the job is sold, have you write up the deal, and then inform you somebody is already doing it for 65 percent of your quote.
Coffee is for closers, Mr. Baldwin?

[Tengen]

Revealed: Fine wine investment firm drains ‘millions’ from clients

Quote:

• Unsuspecting clients were lured in by ‘aggressive’ techniques and ‘cold-calling’ that promised ‘wildly overestimated’ returns on wine.
• Some clients invested tens of thousands of pounds, and got ‘less than half back’. One client we spoke to invested £100,000 but has got nothing in return.
  

[Ice]

Yeah I did sales too when I was younger. Definitely shitty job. But as someone else said, it can be fun if you're selling big-ticket items and can negotiate about price. It's like a game. My biggest sale was for 16'000 USD - that was pretty cool. The cold calling sucks, but I liked the negotiating.

Also, my first job ever was door-to-door sales too. Horrible. But after a while you realize that what you say it basically irrelevant - it's all about your presence and vibe. My co-workers and I were playing this game where we had to incorporate a certain word into our opening pitch - you really can get away with crazy shit - for example, I randomly slipped in words like "snowman" , "chainsaw" or any other completely random word that didn't have anything to do with the pitch at all and people would NOT notice it. If you pitch with confidence and enthusiasm, people just watch you speak and take in your presence, without actually listening to what you say. That was an interesting insight.

[Teutatis]

(02-09-2015 09:03 PM)Ice Wrote:  

you really can get away with crazy shit - for example, I randomly slipped in words like "snowman" , "chainsaw" or any other completely random word that didn't have anything to do with the pitch at all and people would NOT notice it.

Haha, it is true, it's not what you say but how you say it.

[JoeChange]

In sales jobs they promise you the earth from a financial perspective, saying you can earn unlimited money etc etc. But the thing is, if you are the business owner, you would earn far more.

[fucksong]

Haha, I used to also hate sales until I realized that having ANY SALES job helps you become a better closer with women. I have a bunch of engineer friends, financial analyst friends and they suck at meeting girls. Like socially retarded and I feel it's largely due to their jobs.

I had an interesting epiphany the other week. One of my friend's friend is going through some tough times and is homeless at the moment. We went to a restaurant and guess what? This homeless guy went up to the hottest blond girls in the place and chatted them up (I winged him) and although he didn't close them, he at least tried. Compare this with one of my newest wingman who makes a decent living as a software engineer and he literally ran away from these two girls who we were both supposed to approach.

I've met my last three girlfriends from daygame on the streets and I highly doubt any of my friends who have boring jobs could do what I did. They rely on getting set up, go to bars and just stand around or worse, just accept the fact that pussy is not a part of their lives. Either that or they just got married to first girl who was looking for a provider.

Yeah, sales is great.

[The_CEO]

There is a lot to be said about sales.
It's similar to game in my opinion, where it's just you and your wits which determine your success.

Years ago, I knew a guy who sold encylopedias door to door. When he came back from that, he was a changed man. I didn't know what Game was back then and neither did he but he started getting laid a lot. He recommended Dale Carnegie's book to me, not for sales purposes but for getting better with women.

Anyway, if you know a foreign language or two, and can sell, you will always land on your feet somewhere.

If I was a young buck (as the late G Manifesto used to say) I would look into sales work that involved an international market - you'd get to travel and I think the "house calls" are the most fun. I'd try to save a lot though and cash out young (e.g. 40 or so) and do something else or start my own business.

[mvp]

I worked in sales for 3 years and found it extremely useful to develop some excellent skills that will serve me for the rest of my life. Coming out as a newly fresh graduate with no idea how the real world worked, shy, semi-introverted, two bags full sir type of attitude. First job was trampled on by a 40 year old fat hag and realised i needed to grow a pair.

Landed my Headhunting job and developed an obscene amount of confidence, holding hour long meetings with senior executives whilst only 23 years old. Getting shot down over and over whilst cold calling (don't think twice now about approaching a girl). Making that baseline $100k at 25. Negotiating, persistence, working hard (12 hour days), not taking any shit from anyone and doing what i want to do, all skills and attitudes that i have gained and that can't be taken away and for that I am extremely grateful.

However did I enjoy Sales overall, no. Once you start earning good money you realise that you are just a glorified phone jockey working in a battery hen environment that is the office. Alright for some who are purely money centered but i needed something else. Seeing the 40 year old managers stressing about hitting targets in order for their wife to blow their cash, going bald, having no real social life and every waking moment revolving around the job and resorting to getting absolutely wasted at every opportunity to deal with the mundane life i decided it wasn't the future i wanted.

Overall I think a sales job is great to build some fundamental skills especially for those just entering the workforce. However long term you want to pick up those sales skills quickly then move to something more stable and more rewarding where you can put those skills to use and blow your competition in your chosen field out of the water. Not knocking anyone who is currently in the sector to each his own but not something I could have seen myself doing past 30. My $0.02.

[fucksong]

@mvp - I hear what you're saying. I don't think I would want to work in sales for a Corporation where I have quotas given to me but if you own your business, it can be really rewarding. I used to sell phone cards, then new accounts at a bank and now am a commercial real Estate Broker where I can earn just as much income from one deal that I could earn from working full time at a regular job. I can choose which clients I want to work with and say fuck off to ones who don't respect me or my time.

Anyways I share this with you because not all sales jobs have extreme pressure, some can have a lot of freedom if one is organized.

Lastly, I would argue that many jobs, even if they don't seem like sales, still are. Hospitals still sell. They have a brand, their doctors are their reps, albeit very intelligent, skilled reps but make no mistake, they still are selling themselves via their reputation. Everybody on this forum works for a company that depends on Sales/marketing of some level to function.

[Saweeep]

All business is ultimately sales.

All life is sales.

I actively recruit charity sellers and door to door salespeople for my sales teams; if applicants don't have that stuff on their CV I am hesitant.

[lskdfjldsf]

I learned German and work in international sales in Europe. Lots of perks:

- Weekly/monthly international travel (most EU countries, Middle East, APAC)
- Low work hours and home-based flexibility
- High probability of getting a visa (see my post here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-41070-...#pid847569)
- Chance to live and work in multiple countries over the long term

Game is sales. If you're good at one, you're good at both. My highest performing guys are naturals with girls and if it's a skill you possess, you should consider moving to Europe to put it to use. Learning a second/third language is critical for the high paying jobs but in most countries they're easy to come by.

[Tengen]

This just turned up on my Twitter feed. If you're in Australia and got screwed by these sales parasites, here's a chance to get them back

[url=https://twitter.com/appcoaction/status/790461761371578368][/url]

[ScrapperTL]

I don't care where you live or who you are, there is always a Sales Opportunity out there for the relentless, creative hustler.

If you can't stomach making the pitch - recruit others to do it for you.

1) Buy Inventory that is cheap and useful to the average homeowner, like a Mini Fire Extinguisher.
Purchase helpful "UPSELL" Accessories, like a Wall Mount for their Mini Fire Extinguisher.
Offer great Services, possibly the installation of previously mentioned Wall Mount.
2) Now go on Craigslist, scroll to the bottom and click on the "Resumes" section.
Search for "Commission Sales"
Contact experienced Salesman who are willing to work on Commission.
3) Drive them around neighborhoods for as long as it takes to hit your Daily Quotas you need to make profit.

Eventually you can hire a Driver or sell off this Door to Door Sales Business.

[wi30]

Sales gets a bad rep because the door-to-door vacuum/knife salesmen and handful of greasy used-car salesmen ruin it for everyone else.

I sell big ticket items and have a team of canvassers and office staff setting and confirming my appointments. I just show up and close.

I give my pitch then negotiate price and financing terms. My close rate typically hovers around 40% percent. This month I'm at 60%, though one order cancelled. It was small so it didn't really impact my paycheck.

We have a sliding commission structure so if I drop the price too low it will affect my commissions. If I offer favorable financing terms (0% interest for example), the bank charges my company huge fees and it affects my commissions. My average commission is 12%. My average sale is around 7K.

The only cons are constantly being on call and having to put a lot of miles on my car. I also have to work a lot of nights and Saturday afternoons. But excluding drive time, I probably put in 20 hours a week at most.

There are a lot of similarities with game. Opening, building rapport, creating need (attraction), overcoming objections (LMR), and closing the deal.

[ScrapperTL]

(12-13-2016 01:08 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

Sales gets a bad rep because the door-to-door vacuum/knife salesmen and handful of greasy used-car salesmen ruin it for everyone else.

I sell big ticket items and have a team of canvassers and office staff setting and confirming my appointments. I just show up and close.

I give my pitch then negotiate price and financing terms. My close rate typically hovers around 40% percent. This month I'm at 60%, though one order cancelled. It was small so it didn't really impact my paycheck.

We have a sliding commission structure so if I drop the price too low it will affect my commissions. If I offer favorable financing terms (0% interest for example), the bank charges my company huge fees and it affects my commissions. My average commission is 12%. My average sale is around 7K.

The only cons are constantly being on call and having to put a lot of miles on my car. I also have to work a lot of nights and Saturday afternoons. But excluding drive time, I probably put in 20 hours a week at most.

There are a lot of similarities with game. Opening, building rapport, creating need (attraction), overcoming objections (LMR), and closing the deal.

Door to Door is one of the best places to learn Sales, because you are going to be Pitching non-stop all day.
Even better, Door to Door Sales is an easy Company for a beginner Entrepreneur to start and prosper from.

Once you have the experience and finesse down, then I agree into moving into the Big Ticket world.

Think of Door to Door as the McDonalds of Sales.
Kind of like how relentlessly approaching 4's and 5's would be great for an absolute Newbie to Game.

It may not be the most glamorous thing out there but it is fantastic for building Confidence for the Big Show to come.

[wi30]

Yeah I started in insurance right after college. It was B2B. 25 cold calls a day, most in person. It was rough and I hardly made any money, but I learned a ton. Nothing like getting doors slammed in your face all day to overcome any anxiety.

But the biggest problem was that I didn't believe in the product. You'll never succeed in sales unless you would personally use the product or service you're selling. People can easily spot when you're full of shit.

Now I have people who canvass for me. And I sell high quality products to people who are in the market for them.

I agree door-to-door is the best place to learn sales. But the money isn't going to start rolling in until you get out of it. Most legitimate and profitable sales jobs aren't going to hire you without any experience, so you have to grind it out in the shitty jobs for a little while to build up your resume.

[Thrill Jackson]

Does tech sales fall under the category of " too good to be true"? I read on wall street playboys you can make 100k in 3 years. How realistic is it to be that successful that fast in tech sales?

[qwertyuiop]

(11-22-2017 01:47 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

Does tech sales fall under the category of " too good to be true"? I read on wall street playboys you can make 100k in 3 years. How realistic is it to be that successful that fast in tech sales?

That's probably on the lower side tbh.

[Thrill Jackson]

(11-22-2017 05:20 PM)qwertyuiop Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:47 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

Does tech sales fall under the category of " too good to be true"? I read on wall street playboys you can make 100k in 3 years. How realistic is it to be that successful that fast in tech sales?

That's probably on the lower side tbh.

So you are saying most people make more money? What's a rough estimate of people starting out in tech Sales who then end up getting fired?

[qwertyuiop]

(11-22-2017 05:23 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 05:20 PM)qwertyuiop Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:47 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

Does tech sales fall under the category of " too good to be true"? I read on wall street playboys you can make 100k in 3 years. How realistic is it to be that successful that fast in tech sales?

That's probably on the lower side tbh.

So you are saying most people make more money? What's a rough estimate of people starting out in tech Sales who then end up getting fired?

I'm not saying anything you should go try it for a year and see if its for you. The first year or so sucks dick but there's gold buried there.

[Thrill Jackson]

(11-22-2017 05:26 PM)qwertyuiop Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 05:23 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 05:20 PM)qwertyuiop Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:47 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

Does tech sales fall under the category of " too good to be true"? I read on wall street playboys you can make 100k in 3 years. How realistic is it to be that successful that fast in tech sales?

That's probably on the lower side tbh.

So you are saying most people make more money? What's a rough estimate of people starting out in tech Sales who then end up getting fired?

I'm not saying anything you should go try it for a year and see if its for you. The first year or so sucks dick but there's gold buried there.

I'm always willing to struggle for gold. How much turnover is in tech Sales

[The Beast1]

(11-22-2017 01:47 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

Does tech sales fall under the category of " too good to be true"? I read on wall street playboys you can make 100k in 3 years. How realistic is it to be that successful that fast in tech sales?

You can, however, it's a lot trickier than you think to get into that position to land deals and income like that.

Startups are the easiest places to break in. However, the first few customers aren't buying the product because they like it. They're buying it because they have a good friendship with the founders or key employees.

Once those first costumers have been established, a startup then tries to woo a big fortune 1000 client. Once they have that client, it gets easier to make deals like that.

Next, your tech business should be spending money on some form of inbound marketing either with ads, tradeshows, or what have you. If they're saying, "cold call" walk away (unless you have contacts who will be willing to buy a product because they like you, not because they like the product).

If you want to break into tech sales, make sure you first and foremost understand and appreciate the product you're selling. If you don't care or don't like it, you won't sell. IT professionals hate salesmen that don't appreciate or understand the technology.

I've moved onto business development with a friend of mine who has a lot of connections at the big consultants, system integrators, cloud service providers, and boutiques.

This has been significantly easier to do for a myriad of reasons. It's almost like getting a store to stock your product for you. However, the "customers" who are buying your goods are typically clueless upper level and C level executives who pay oodles of money out to cover their asses in case technology doesn't work. You get a product in with these guys and they'll push your product into corporations left and right. Each time, I get money.

Start doing regular sales and see what you like. Research the product and go in for an interview.

[qwertyuiop]

(11-22-2017 06:13 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 05:26 PM)qwertyuiop Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 05:23 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 05:20 PM)qwertyuiop Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:47 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

Does tech sales fall under the category of " too good to be true"? I read on wall street playboys you can make 100k in 3 years. How realistic is it to be that successful that fast in tech sales?

That's probably on the lower side tbh.

So you are saying most people make more money? What's a rough estimate of people starting out in tech Sales who then end up getting fired?

I'm not saying anything you should go try it for a year and see if its for you. The first year or so sucks dick but there's gold buried there.

I'm always willing to struggle for gold. How much turnover is in tech Sales

I have a software sales buddy who's coworker did a huge deal w/ a major brand. Surely not ordinary at all..but the w2 for THAT QUARTER was 847k...

That might be a once in a lifetime deal (if even that) however if you perform you will be able to live very comfortably even being an average rep. You won't get rich, but you'll be able to live like doctors and lawyers do if not better (again, you control your destiny to an extent).

If you suck you will be pushed out year 1 or 2 for lack of performance and it will be obvious. If you are good they will not want you to leave.

You'll make 100k by year 3 or you're in the wrong company or selling the wrong product.