[raliv]

(07-26-2012 10:14 PM)Catch 22 Wrote:  

Phenomenal post, Velkrum. Thanks! You lived many other places? Sounds like Atlanta could be good for me. Any guess how Atlanta would be compare to Tampa and DC?

Aliblahba, raliv - any rebuttals?

Sloth, that makes sense - just can't say I've heard people say they've gotten laid "all the time" in DC, even the guys on here with top-notch game.

Well my situation is different than others. I am 24, white, young, not a lot of cash, newly graduated from college. So take that into account. If you are under 26, probably the best place to roll in Georgia is Athens (although I don't go there much anymore). lol @ Ali

I have lots of friends who live and work in Atlanta who love it there. I enjoy the Buckhead bars but like I said, a 24 year old kid with little cash is going to have a disadvantage to say, the 30 year old man well into a career. I have seen some real ugly dudes with good looking women there. I think I do have a biased dislike of Atlanta for personal reasons though.

I liked Tampa more when I was there (a couple of times last summer). Just felt like there were more options and I liked the quality of women better overall. (Note, Roosh's Busted Dudes test performed pretty badly there) I think non-southerners will feel more at home in Tampa. And you get all the tourists in the summer.

[velkrum]

(07-27-2012 01:48 AM)wsidemd Wrote:  

velkrum, seems like you know a lot about ATL. I'm also looking for a place to move, most likely ATL or New Orleans.

Any idea how yellow guys get treated out in ATL?

Yea, I might have some good info for you. i just need your personal stats.

• Height
• Weight
• Level of fitness
• Rough Idea of your Monthly Income
• How would you rate your game ?
• What type of girls are you attracted to ?
• Do you make friends easily ?
• What part of the city will you be living in ?

Aliblahba Wrote:

You got an in with Atlanta? Break it down holmes! Bust out a data sheet. Stop being weesh.

I've been meaning to work on one for ATL. Gimme some time to come up with a good format.

Catch 22 Wrote:

Phenomenal post, Velkrum. Thanks! You lived many other places? Sounds like Atlanta could be good for me. Any guess how Atlanta would be compare to Tampa and DC?

I've lived in:

• NJ
• NY
• Savannah
  

I honestly don't know. I think race and financial status would play a big part of happiness in DC. I've heard so many mixed reviews that I would not know who to trust.

I don't have any long term experience with Florida. Tampa seems cool, but I'm not sure how sophisticated the people are.

[el mechanico]

Thing to do in Tampa bay
Stay overnight on the beach
Theme parks
Make porn
Jet ski
Spearfish
Offshore boat racing
Tiki bars
Small towns festivals
Water ski/wake board year round
Motorcycle year round
Chase tourist ass year round
Camp on islands with palm trees
Gasparilla
Guavaween
Tubing on natural springs
Big game fishing
World class strip clubs you can fuck in
St pete grand prix
Surfing(sometimes)
Kite surfing year round

Things to do in Atlanta

Visit sausagefest bars
Go to stone mountain

All this hinges on your level of fitness of course

[Aliblahba]

The only value the ATL holds for me is the airport. Outside the beltline used to be small goldmines, but the demographics have changed due to the economy. I theorize that people still holding jobs sold out and bought housing closer in to where they worked.

Tampa is a playground. Anything from the high end, like Sarasota, to the real white trash counties. The demographics of foreign broads is off the charts. Tampa is full of Latinas, and everything else. I fully intend to base out of there when I head back stateside.

[docinsc]

I have found a higher percentage of educated, professional career chicks in Atlanta, which reminded me of DC. I like smart professional girls, so I loved DC and Atlanta. Tampa is a water based town, so it has a much more "fun" vibe. The chicks there wont be as smart, but lots of fun and like to party. More variety in Tampa and the hookups will be easier, just less "wife" material to me.

[wsidemd]

Thanks velkrum...any info would be appreciated.
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 160
Level of fitness: fit/athletic but not jacked
Rough Idea of your Monthly Income: ~50k/year with big jump to 100k+/year in four years
How would you rate your game? Above average
What type of girls are you attracted to? I'm into fly, tan brunettes but they're not the easiest to win over. I can become attracted to a lot of mixed chicks (half black or half latina).
Do you make friends easily? People tell me I'm friendly and easygoing but most of the people I spend time with on a daily basis are work/school related.
What part of the city will you be living in? If I get good feedback for ATL I'll make a trip down there in October or November to check out different areas...haven't been yet. One of my bros from Georgia tells me to stay clear of Athens as an asian.

[beta_plus]

Tampa was very different from other places that I have been. Usually within a couple of nights I can have at least a basic outline of what it takes to get women in a city, but after 3 nights Tampa had me confused, so this will mostly just be observations without much of a thesis, structure, or conclusion.

There does not appear to be a proper Tampa Data Sheet. This thread was the closest that I could find.

Hopefully, it helps.

Let's get to the part everyone wants to read:

The Women:

Appearance: Good. They were not as hot in general as the women I saw in Chicago and Dallas, but definitely better than what I saw in Kansas City. However, this being America there were still plenty of fatties. I would say the female obesity level was about the American average.

The few Latinas I saw did not impress me very much. While there were a couple of very cute ones (though I suspected one had had a lot of work done) they were usually fat. I was much more taken by the Latinas in Dallas.

I admit that I had come hoping to see where all of the ultra hot girls from FSU and UF come from or move after graduating, but unfortunately it does not seem that they come from or to Tampa.

Attitudes: OK. If you are expecting flirty and submissive southern girls, you're going to be disappointed. The Mid Atlantic and parts of the midwest such as Indiana appear to have colonized Tampa. That being said, I definitely got occasional IOIs, which I basically never get in DC anymore.

The Competition:

Significant but reasonably surmountable.

There are a lot of tall good looking preppies who clearly get parts of game. That being said, there seems to be enough to go around. I saw dorky guys, who I'm not sure I would call quite busted but were still clearly not the high value, on many occasions with 6+ girl friends.

Boring But Important Stuff:

Getting there:

Tampa has a full sized international airport with flights to all major US and Eastern Canadian destination, with a few flights to Europe.

Getting Around:

You will need a car. Public transit barely exists plus the distances are gigantic. From Ybor City to the beaches around Treasure Island is 30 miles.
From Ybor City to Hyde Park, two neighborhoods that straddle downtown, is 5 miles. I used uber which was very reasonably priced but not dirt cheap like Dallas.

Beware of the Bridges:

If you decided to come to swoop, unless you are in Tampa for quite some time, you must pick either St. Petersburg or Tampa. Doing both is not going to be realistic. Even with no traffic, the bridges are from 3 to 10 miles long. When there is traffic, it can be horrendous due to poorly thought out exits and merges.

Where to stay (aka where the girls are):

Ybor City
Ybor reminded me a lot of Bourbon Street. Think high end steak houses next to tattoo parlors. The vibe there was reasonably friendly.

Hyde Park

It's very preppy, but far fewer bars than Ybor city. I have to be honest I thought that the talent was better there, but that might have been skewed due to Gasparilla.

University of Southern Florida

After visiting Florida State, I was shocked at the low quality of talent. I would not bother with it.

Cultural Notes:

Like I said above, other parts of America have essentialy colonized Tampa Bay, especially by Philadelphia and Philidelphian Italians.

Very Philly

You see a lot of influence from Philly. Many of the competing preppeis have a very Bradley Cooper vibe. As well, there is definitely an Italian Philly influence as well. When I went to buy water at a Publix, it had a lot of unusual Italian goods like the veal cuts for Ossa Bucco, which you would have to special order in DC.

If you are expecting the South at all, you will be disappointed. Southern accents and the southern belles that I had hoped to see were almost non-existent.

Venues to find girls:

Gasparilla

By shear coincidence, I was there for Gasparilla, which is essentially a big public drinking party to celebrate Tampa's pirate heritage. I did not get the impression the people were interested in interacting outside of their social groups. I would recommend avoiding it since hotel prices go up a lot that weekend.

Cerviche

Not a good place to pick up but decent food & a fantastic band playing all of the Latin Lounge hits and playing them well.

Conclusion

I think that I will return to St. Petersburg to cheaply relax and warm my bones during what are increasingly bitter winters in the DC area, but I don't think I will build it around trying to swoop. However, as I stated above, I really was not able to get much of a handle on the place, and maybe my impressions are wrong.

I do think that moving there is a bad idea unless you have location independent income. Many people complained that local wages did not reflect the cost of living.

[el mechanico]

Beta plus, the problem there's no data sheet because everyone that lives here with just show mentality goes to the same places you mentioned.

Same with almost every city. I've tried to stretch it out but you need to if pinellas hit the "first" events. First Tuesday etc, people on the streets. Tampa data is all the same mcdintinons etc yeah

[Belize King]

Been here a year now. Black, hit a few spots. Mostly north tampa and tampa. I don't mess around in St Petersburg or clearwater. I'll tell you what you want to know.