[HiFlo]

Tonight, my most difficult (and upsetting) set I opened went as follows:

Girl and her friend are sitting at bar, both give me huge IOIs. I go to the bar right next to them, order an H20 and then open the nearer brunette with the roosh "you look like you're having the most fun of everyone here." She quickly turns to me and we flirt for about 10 minutes.

Then a guy comes up from behind her and starts kissing her cheek and whispering in her ear. She starts making faces but doesn't move away. This kind of destroyed my state, and her girl friend (who was trying to help her set her up with me, & not cockblock at all) and I exchange looks. After a few moments of silence, I engage her friend for a bit. A minute later homeboy is still whispering in her ear and while she's still making faces but not turning away.

I ask the friend how they all know each other to figure out if this dude is some aggressive drunk random (he was very drunk). The friend says, "we're all friends." So I then interrupt & engage the guy by asking about the Yankees game tonight (a Mixx guy opener I had read about on this forum). The guy says, "I'm only a football fan." My target girl gets up out of the chair and goes off. I stick around for a couple more minutes trying to engage the guy and the girl friend, but eventually succumb to the awkwardness and eject.

About 20 minutes later and see homeboy and my target doing some sort of dancing together in the bar.

I chickened out and did nothing. I felt a bit unmatched for a very drunk aggressive guy when I was nearly sober, even though there were all sorts of IOIs at me and not him.

What should I have done in this situation? Step 1 is when the amog interloper first intruded, my target clearly was more interested in me but not resisting his intimacy either (based on the faces she was making I was expecting her to tell him to get lost, but she never did - must have loved the fucking attention). Did I handle this properly by playing it cool & doing nothing until I could evaluate the situation, or should I have been direct from the beginning? I think being direct is the way to go to get rid of him, but what should I have said to have been firm & direct without starting a fight?

And step two is when I saw them dancing - how should I have handled this? I was not about to join them dancing to to my relative sobriety vs homeboy's aggressive drunk dance. Should I have re-engaged her right then and there the same way he did to me (getting all up between them and start whispering in her ear)? If so, what the fuck should I have whispered? Sexy shit like, "God, i wanna feel you better" followed by a quick isolation?

Any other suggestions?

[mental]

I remember reading something about it on RVF a while ago. On step one, I would've said "Do you like her?". If he said he did, I'd say "Well, why don't you buy her a drink then?" - he's now a beta and while he's getting the drinks you ridicule the guy and all that. If he said no, that's even better. On step two, I would tap him and said "Hey, thanks for keeping her safe for me", take her by arm, move her a bit away from him, then a little while later, whispered to her "He's looking at you pretty hard, he must like you very much.". Just be careful if he gets aggressive.

[XXL]

(07-21-2012 01:45 AM)HiFlo Wrote:  

What should I have done in this situation? Step 1 is when the amog interloper first intruded, my target clearly was more interested in me but not resisting his intimacy either (based on the faces she was making I was expecting her to tell him to get lost, but she never did - must have loved the fucking attention). Did I handle this properly by playing it cool & doing nothing until I could evaluate the situation, or should I have been direct from the beginning? I think being direct is the way to go to get rid of him, but what should I have said to have been firm & direct without starting a fight?

after noticing that kind of direct approach i would IMMEDIATELY say somthing like "no way, she's my girl" and grab the girl by her hips, lift her up and take her about 1-2 meters away from the dude, put her down standing with my back to him and keep hugging with her blocking interceptions. it's super effective. just like here.

start at 7:38:

or..

start @ 4:24:

and the motherfucker is done.

(07-21-2012 01:45 AM)HiFlo Wrote:  

And step two is when I saw them dancing - how should I have handled this? I was not about to join them dancing to to my relative sobriety vs homeboy's aggressive drunk dance. Should I have re-engaged her right then and there the same way he did to me (getting all up between them and start whispering in her ear)? If so, what the fuck should I have whispered? Sexy shit like, "God, i wanna feel you better" followed by a quick isolation?

i'd go in, grab her right hand, spin her and hug after the spin, standing with my back to him. maybe i'd say something like "this guy? really? he looks like he got swine flue, hope you didn't kiss"

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

This thread makes me depressed.

We're doing all this work, learning, training and putting ourselves out of our comfort ares... for what? For chicks who are so stupid that they will pass on you for the first drunk, lame frat boy who cavemans her. Can a chick really be so staggeringly idiotic that this kind of behavior makes her wet?

[HiFlo]

Holy shit XXL, that Tyler Durden infield shit is the bomb.

Lesson learned: get fucking physical and territorial.

[XXL]

welcome to the rough world of raw natural game

[HiFlo]

(07-22-2012 03:47 AM)XXL Wrote:  

welcome to the rough world of raw natural game

Where can I find more footage of this style? The rsd hot seat site is pretty lame with regards to the footage provided.

[Greek kamaki]

Whispering in the ear is dirty game.I this case I would do the same whisering in her right ear while the drunk dude whispered in the left.This would cause him to confront me and ask for explanations and at this point he has lost if I keep my position.(back always pointing the bar in case he has any friends).

[XXL]

HiFlo i sent yout PM.

IMO there's no such thing as dirty and fair play in this game. i do whatever, i out hustle them,
i steal, i lie, i rob, i sin..

[mental]

Easiest and most noticable way to be less afraid is to exercise regularly, because that increases testosterone, and more testosterone = more badassness. Whenever you want to jack off, do push-ups and crunches. Do this shit for about a month and you will be capable to commit reverse (and also normal) robberies without much fear.

[Duke Castile]

The truth is while she was digging the attention from you and making faces about the guy, she preferred the guy. Think back to when you're talking to more than one girl in a bar. Same thing.

What you could have done was what Mental advised and got him to do something beta. While he was ordering a drink you could have further made fun of him. "We can hang out but I'm not whispering sweet nothings in your ear like a chump".

Because he's in her social circle he sort of "trumps" your game through that sort of cockblocking. You'll have to develop some weapons of cutting humor to make those types look stupid. You'll also need to have a strong enough presence to back it up when they resort to getting physical once you've put them in their place.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-23-2012 02:37 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

The truth is while she was digging the attention from you and making faces about the guy, she preferred the guy. Think back to when you're talking to more than one girl in a bar. Same thing.

What you could have done was what Mental advised and got him to do something beta. While he was ordering a drink you could have further made fun of him. "We can hang out but I'm not whispering sweet nothings in your ear like a chump".

Because he's in her social circle he sort of "trumps" your game through that sort of cockblocking. You'll have to develop some weapons of cutting humor to make those types look stupid. You'll also need to have a strong enough presence to back it up when they resort to getting physical once you've put them in their place.

This is good.

You also kind of did the right thing by trying to engage him.

That is what I do.

I keep it on the up and up and positive. Like he doesn't bother me. Which he doesn't, so it comes off the right way.

Your "Yankee's" line came off as ungenuine and canned.

That is why he was able to deflect.

I have said it before, and I will say it again, Gaming girls in bars/nightclubs is about Gaming the group.

If you don't win over the group, you don't win over the girl.

[XXL]

this thing with letting amog buying her a drink is very risky and weak move IMO. any semi skilled player would see you trying to tool him like that so he would agree to take her to 'buy her a drink' where in fact he would take her outside and dominate her so that you wouldn't have almost no chance to break in. kid's stuff. so think twice

[mental]

(07-23-2012 03:15 PM)XXL Wrote:  

this thing with letting amog buying her a drink is very risky and weak move IMO. any semi skilled player would see you trying to tool him like that so he would agree to take her to 'buy her a drink' where in fact he would take her outside and dominate her so that you wouldn't have almost no chance to break in. kid's stuff. so think twice

Maybe yes, maybe no. But when robbery is in progress, you don't have much room to maneuver, and chances are he won't know what to do. Since you have nothing to lose by doing that, and everything to lose by not doing anything, you could at least try, so you know if you should move on to the next prospect and not waste time with a lost prospect. Worked every time, at least for me.

[Greek kamaki]

Usually in Greece the AMOGs get physical(if not always).However I make them eat shit sometimes.It is because I act unpredictable and not in the common Greek ways.A common trick to confuse the AMOG is to avoid talking to girl in a language the AMOG understands.Basically here to avoid talking in Greek or in English with the girl.Then the AMOG does not know your real status whether you just met her in club or you are her boyfriend etc.This applies with foreign girls.
For example if a foreign girl speaks German I will prefer to talk with her in German and not in English so that the AMOG does not understand a word.This will make him blind and unable to calibrate correctly.If the AMOG tries to engage me in Greek I will pretend I am foreigner(eg Czech) and do not understand a word.

[HiFlo]

(07-23-2012 02:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I have said it before, and I will say it again, Gaming girls in bars/nightclubs is about Gaming the group.

If you don't win over the group, you don't win over the girl.

So in a nutshell what's the method to gaming the guys in a group?

The reason I ask is because I live in a small city in the south where the nightlife scene is very cliquey. Increasingly often, if I hit it off with a 2 or 3 set of girls, an orbiter or social circle white knight will come in and cockblock. Alternatively, if I come close to pulling a girl, she's continually worried that she'll be seen with a 'stranger' (me) by others in her social circle. It really is that cliquey.

I'm finding it impossible to game guys to be cool with them because I have little interest in fucking fishing, four-wheeling, beer pong or hunting, all of which forms the bonds of the younger Southern male generation. I'm an outsider and am a bit at a loss on how to get on the inside using my personality alone.

[XXL]

(07-24-2012 02:25 AM)HiFlo Wrote:  

So in a nutshell what's the method to gaming the guys in a group?

The reason I ask is because I live in a small city in the south where the nightlife scene is very cliquey. Increasingly often, if I hit it off with a 2 or 3 set of girls, an orbiter or social circle white knight will come in and cockblock. Alternatively, if I come close to pulling a girl, she's continually worried that she'll be seen with a 'stranger' (me) by others in her social circle. It really is that cliquey.

I'm finding it impossible to game guys to be cool with them because I have little interest in fucking fishing, four-wheeling, beer pong or hunting, all of which forms the bonds of the younger Southern male generation. I'm an outsider and am a bit at a loss on how to get on the inside using my personality alone.

do:
approach the group, acknowledge guys to give them respect, talk shit with the whole group, figure out relationships, talk about beer, girls and sport, nothing serious or complicated, just chit chat them a bit without pay too much attention to them overall. or It these groups are really that tight then work on guys more, you can encourage guys to tell you something about stuff they like or even explain/teach something to you, feed their ego, then pat him on the arm, appreciate it, judge him saying he's cool, i know it's boring but hey, numan nature 101: people love to talk about themselves, let them do it, listen and they will love you and then they will leave you with your girl and let it happen for you.

also, it's funny how that stuff is still effective:

Quote:

1) "Whoa.. dude, you remind me so much of the most populat guy from my high school.. like the captain of of the football team guy, who beats up all the nerds.."

2) "Whoa.. dude, you're like a total aplha male.. yeah, I'm serious.. I watched this show on TV describing alpha males.. you totally fit the bill."

3) "Dude.. you're a pretty cool guy.. you know, I'm just saying that you're cool.. you're just a cool guy" (in a way where he can't tell if you're serious, so he has to say, "thanks", but doesn't quite know how to react).

You'll find that you get amazing results from these first three for several reasons:

- This is a mind-fuck called "labeling".. it's like if I told a gangster rapper "hey, you're like the 'fuck-guy'.. you like to say 'fuck' all the time.. that's so cool.... 'fuuuuuuck guuuuuuy.. what's up!' The gangster rapper would feel like "WTF.. is that bad?" and stop using the word around me as a result. It's basically designed to get him constantly conscious of his actions, to trip him up.

- It shows that you understand his behavior, and that the more he acts like that, the more he shows you that you are right, making you the alpha male.

don't:
don't be confrontational and aggresive, don't try to steal the girl you like from them, don't get clingy, open, chit chat, leave, reopen etc.

as for pulling..
find a girl you like, befriend her group, stay with them, leave with them at the end of the night, go with them to an afterparty or as they all split go to her place/your place with your girl.

[HiFlo]

XXL, basically that's pretty much the opposite of the raw natural RSD stuff that is extremely physical.

So would you say the raw natural RSD stuff works well in isolation & about non-mixed sets, but when it's cliquey, just be cool and don't be physical at all?

[XXL]

not exactly. getting physical fast 'works' when it's done properly, gotta have some intuition about what/when/where/how and be able to deal with things in real time.

to clarify, when i approach i don't obliviously grope/molest girls left and right from the get go ignoring her peer group. but, for example, i might introduce myself to the girl I WANT with a handshake and as i'm holding her hand i can gently pull her towards me, put her hands around my neck while i put my hands on her hips. and i know whether it's ok or not cause i hold good eye contact and her eyes tell me how she feels (so i can react immediately). we exchange few words, then i can ask her group "hey, we love each other, is that ok with you guys? can we get some blessings??".

so it's not blindly executed technique, i stay extremely responsive to her reactions, i smile, i have fun with it, she enjoys it, it's clear i'm good dude so they don't fuck with me.

i recommended you something less direct cause, look, if you can't deal with a random drunk uncalibrated dude stealing your girl, i think that getting more physical and confrontational would only harm you. so like a said, maybe try different angle, be more chill, chit chat them, befriend, become temporary buddies, flirt with girls in that group try to have one on one conversation with the girl you like. so this is another way to be a 'part of their team' instead of weird outsider trying to steal their girls.

don't follow any kind of school of thought. don't get into that black and white type of thinking. different styles fit (so work) different guys. try different courses of action and angles to find out your preferenced style