[speakeasy]

(07-20-2012 03:19 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Thedude, the gun accessibility just gives these borderline cats the opportunity to wet multiple cats for no reason. I like Batman. Imagine I am there watching it with some friends and some sick fcuk comes and sprays the place. The gang bangers, it goes hand in hand regarding the goon game but for civvies, it seems unfair. Imagine you are in there with your innocent son or daughter and this deprived maggot starts lighting the place up..?

Everyone defaults to gun control arguments. You could make guns completely illegal tomorrow and that's not going to stop people from acquiring them anymore than you can stop people from getting illegal drugs. Think about that... Drugs have been illegal forever with harsh penalties yet I could get any drug I wanted within 15 minutes. Why would it be any different with guns?

[worldwidetraveler]

(07-20-2012 03:44 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Everyone defaults to gun control arguments. You could make guns completely illegal tomorrow and that's not going to stop people from acquiring them anymore than you can stop people from getting illegal drugs. Think about that... Drugs have been illegal forever with harsh penalties yet I could get any drug I wanted within 15 minutes. Why would it be any different with guns?

Also, if they want to go on a mass killing spree, they will figure out a way with or without guns.

[Moma]

@speakeasy - So why aren't people shooting each other up in England on a mass scale? You can get guns illegally there too.

[OGNorCal707]

The cops were smart to think that his apartment might be booby trapped, it sounds like he rigged it up pretty good, and could have killed even more people had they not sent in the bomb technicians.

[OGNorCal707]

(07-20-2012 03:44 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 03:19 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Thedude, the gun accessibility just gives these borderline cats the opportunity to wet multiple cats for no reason. I like Batman. Imagine I am there watching it with some friends and some sick fcuk comes and sprays the place. The gang bangers, it goes hand in hand regarding the goon game but for civvies, it seems unfair. Imagine you are in there with your innocent son or daughter and this deprived maggot starts lighting the place up..?

Everyone defaults to gun control arguments. You could make guns completely illegal tomorrow and that's not going to stop people from acquiring them anymore than you can stop people from getting illegal drugs. Think about that... Drugs have been illegal forever with harsh penalties yet I could get any drug I wanted within 15 minutes. Why would it be any different with guns?

I kind of agree with this, but I don't really think it's a fair comparison, because way more people use drugs and on a regular basis then people who want to buy and use guns. You only need so many guns, but a bag of weed or coke will run out fast before you need another one. Not to mention that drugs are addictive which creates a constant demand

Being a pragmatist it's easy to say that guns will always be available in the U.S. because there are already so many of them and such lax gun laws. However, in some countries where they've had tight regulation for years, guns are hard to come by, there is a long and well documented process to obtain one, and to obtain one illegally would require knowing the right people and exposing yourself to a criminal underworld, which most people will never come into contact with.

[worldwidetraveler]

Moma, you are missing the point of the thread.

Taking away guns won't deal with the underlying issues that make these people do these type of things.

It would be easy to blame guns and gun control. It isn't like these people are magically changing when they get a gun. They are fucked up and something in our culture is making them fucked up.

I don't think enough people are interested in knowing why but would rather mask the problems with drug prescriptions, arguing about gun control or making other unreasonable assumptions.

We have always had guns. This type of behavior wasn't prevalent in the older days. As far as I understand that is. What has changed so much to make people go so crazy?

[shameus_o'reaaly]

Man the comments on that Washington Post article are depressing. First one I read was blaming the NRA.
Why does the NRA get so much flak after this type of tragedy anyway?
Is an AR-15 even legal to own?

[OGNorCal707]

(07-20-2012 04:23 PM)shameus_oreaaly Wrote:  

Man the comments on that Washington Post article are depressing. First one I read was blaming the NRA.
Why does the NRA get so much flak after this type of tragedy anyway?
Is an AR-15 even legal to own?

Yeah that's not as bad as the few nut jobs blaming Obama.

[shameus_o'reaaly]

(07-20-2012 04:14 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Moma, you are missing the point of the thread.

Taking away guns won't deal with the underlying issues that make these people do these type of things.

It would be easy to blame guns and gun control. It isn't like these people are magically changing when they get a gun. They are fucked up and something in our culture is making them fucked up.

I don't think enough people are interested in knowing why but would rather mask the problems with drug prescriptions, arguing about gun control or making other unreasonable assumptions.

We have always had guns. This type of behavior was prevalent in the older days. As far as I understand that is. What has changed so much to make people go so crazy?

Population pressure, status frustration, laissez-faire attitude of the public, advertising that exacerbates existing feelings of shortcomings, increasing proportions of individuals with acquired or inherited dispositions to violence?
Some combination of the above, anyway. It's not that people are that different, but there's so many more things to push somebody over their own personal edge, and too many things that remove checks and balances on behaviour like this.

[shameus_o'reaaly]

(07-20-2012 04:27 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 04:23 PM)shameus_oreaaly Wrote:  

Man the comments on that Washington Post article are depressing. First one I read was blaming the NRA.
Why does the NRA get so much flak after this type of tragedy anyway?
Is an AR-15 even legal to own?

Yeah that's not as bad as the few nut jobs blaming Obama.

Yep, whenever i read news online, i remember why there's freedom of speech: nobody would pay to listen to what the commenters have to say. Makes me long for the days when print and TV ruled and the letters to the editor were chosen for clarity.
What is Obama's stance on guns anyway? I can't remember him ever commenting on shootings

[Samseau]

Two word solution: Death Penalty.

[soup]

(07-20-2012 04:56 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Two word solution: Death Penalty.

DP doesn't stop people from killing each other, so not really a solution.

[joehoya]

Just as a background. I am an extremely pro-gun American who has been supporting the gun-rights cause for going on 20 years now (before I could even vote). Regarding the whole gun control issue, I have a couple of points.

First, the problem isn't the guns, it is the culture. We have a culture that worships the gunfighter. The archetypical American hero is the cowboy who settles his problems with his six-shooter. This is part of the reason why countries with high ownership (like Switzerland and Finland) don't have the problems we have with our firearms. Attempting to get rid of guns is not going to solve our cultural problem.

This problem is exacerbated IMHO by our twofold effort to glorify fantasy violence in movies (usually involving guns), while condemning and punishing HEALTHY EXPRESSIONS OF AGRESSION during childhood. This zero tolerance for fighting bullshit has created a huge swath of pussies in this country.

I am astounded by how many guys I have met who have never been in a fight. Not even when they were kids. This creates potential for individuals who don't know how to channel their anger. They take shit and take shit without knowing how to appropriately express anger, until the switch gets flipped. When that switch flips for some of these kids, they completely skip the fist-fight stage and go straight to spree killer stage.

Second, the gun genie is out of the bottle. No use trying to put it back in. There are 270 MILLION privately owned firearms in this country. How in the world could the government confiscate 270 million of anything?

Third, I guarantee you, ANY ATTEMPT to confiscate guns or enact strict gun control will spark levels of domestic terrorism that will make this theater shooting look like a pleasant memory. There are a bunch of complete fucking wackjobs out there that already think "Obama is going to take my guns". If he actually started doing that shit, well... you might want to invest in some body armor and avoid going to ANY government buildings for the next few years.

I am being dead serious guys. I first got interested with the Patriot/Militia movement back in the early '90s (around the time of the Clinton assault weapons ban). I have met these people, and they are some of the scariest mother fuckers you will ever encounter. They are our version of radical islamic fundamentalism, just with more conspiracy theories. These are 100% true believers.

Fourth, this is all a moot point because both political parties are scared shitless of the NRA and the gun lobby (as they should be). Even though the NRA is specifically targeting President Obama for defeat. If he actually started pushing stricter gun control, his campaign would be dead in the water, and he knows this.

[speakeasy]

(07-20-2012 03:47 PM)Moma Wrote:  

@speakeasy - So why aren't people shooting each other up in England on a mass scale? You can get guns illegally there too.

In that case it could just be a difference in culture. Some countries are just more criminal prone than others. That guy in Norway found a way to get a gun when he killed all those kids. Even in Europe, if people are determined to get a gun, they can find one.

This was tragic, that 20 people may die, but that many people die in car accidents in just one hour of every day in the United States. When something sensational happens, everyone expects the government to crack down on everything, rather than just accepting that every now and then, some nut is going to snap and kill people. It sucks, but keeping the numbers in perspective, more will be killed by lightening. It's the same thing with terrorism. I wish some leader will just stand up and say that instead of everyone running around like chickens with their heads cut off absolutely terrorized. I don't plan on going to the movies tonight, but if I were, I wouldn't be in the least bit worried. I'm more likely to get run over by a car on the walk there than shot up by a nut in the theater.

[HeyPete]

One thing I know for certain in this whole sad saga .... James Holmes makes more 'ginas tingle today than he ever could imagine.

[speakeasy]

(07-20-2012 05:36 PM)HeyPete Wrote:  

One thing I know for certain in this whole sad saga .... James Holmes makes more 'ginas tingle today than he ever could imagine.

I'm not so sure about that. This isn't Rambo/James Bond swagger type violence. This is the "creepy" guy type of violence. Especially knowing that he killed little kids. He's right down there with a pedophile. This dude is fucked(literally) when he gets to jail.

[Veloce]

(07-20-2012 04:56 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Two word solution: Death Penalty.

The point I was trying to make in a previous post is that we already lock up more people than any other country on earth. We also kill more people than most countries. It doesn't stop shit like this from happening. You can't apply "normal human" logic to a murderer. Most humans want to preserve their well being and will do what it takes to not get thrown in prison or executed. Murderers do not exercise this same logic, therefor threatening with capital punishment does nothing to prevent murder or cases of extreme violence.

[HeyPete]

(07-20-2012 05:46 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 05:36 PM)HeyPete Wrote:  

One thing I know for certain in this whole sad saga .... James Holmes makes more 'ginas tingle today than he ever could imagine.

I'm not so sure about that. This isn't Rambo/James Bond swagger type violence. This is the "creepy" guy type of violence. Especially knowing that he killed little kids. He's right down there with a pedophile. This dude is fucked(literally) when he gets to jail.

You and I think this way, but I'm talking women brains here. Far more sadistic fucks than this guy had groupies upon groupies.

[Private Man]

It's important to read this story:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...annel&lite

There are lots of hints about his social skills.

[malc]

(07-20-2012 09:32 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 08:37 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Roosh is onto something there. How many mass murdering crimes are there in Holland?
Even cats with zero game can always pony up some Euros at the very worst and buy some pum pum.
Either buss a nut or buss a shot.

Au contraire... if prostitution is the only way to get sex, your sense of self worth will suffer just as much. It's releaving for a short moment but if it's the only way to be "accepted" by women, it will fuck you up.

Those incidents happen in Europe, too, especially in schools, just not that often.

No one is going to kill because he hasn't had sex in a while. It's because he get's rejected again and a again as a person by society and the other sex, of course. Sadly, making men feel as if they are the last scum seems to be womens' favorite sport in the western world.

As far as cheap, legal whores go, it's a good thing because it increases the amount of competition women have. Warlizard in his memoir talked about this effect while he was stationed in Germany. When guys have an option between paying $20 for a date or drinks or $20 for a safe good looking hooker, he's not going to be that enthusiastic about paying for the date. The women were a lot better in Germany as a result.

[speakeasy]

(07-20-2012 06:43 PM)malc Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 09:32 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 08:37 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Roosh is onto something there. How many mass murdering crimes are there in Holland?
Even cats with zero game can always pony up some Euros at the very worst and buy some pum pum.
Either buss a nut or buss a shot.

Au contraire... if prostitution is the only way to get sex, your sense of self worth will suffer just as much. It's releaving for a short moment but if it's the only way to be "accepted" by women, it will fuck you up.

Those incidents happen in Europe, too, especially in schools, just not that often.

No one is going to kill because he hasn't had sex in a while. It's because he get's rejected again and a again as a person by society and the other sex, of course. Sadly, making men feel as if they are the last scum seems to be womens' favorite sport in the western world.

As far as cheap, legal whores go, it's a good thing because it increases the amount of competition women have. Warlizard in his memoir talked about this effect while he was stationed in Germany. When guys have an option between paying $20 for a date or drinks or $20 for a safe good looking hooker, he's not going to be that enthusiastic about paying for the date. The women were a lot better in Germany as a result.

$20 is all a German hooker cost?? I can't imagine it's that cheap even in Thailand.

[Tuthmosis]

Several points, in response to various comments above (in no particular order):

1. Game doesn't solve everything, but pussy would have prevented this killing, and many others. Pussy is the palliative ointment that soothes angry nerves. You'll never see a (true) player go on a mass killing spree. You have one have a BBL Meltdown, but not kill dozens.

2. How did this become a race thread?

3. A dude in a Batman suit saving the day would have been hilarious but, sadly, the type that would have a Batman suit in his closet is the same kind of guy who does this kind of shit.

4. I think this kind of thing happens in places like Colorado because of attitude toward guns more than the presence of guns themselves (they're somewhat correlated, I understand). That fiercely independent, Western, cowboy-ass spirit makes people think about guns early in the decision-making process that goes into solving your problems.

[Kish]

I'm surprised this stuff doesn't happen more often in America.

[ccurtis189]

(07-20-2012 06:43 PM)malc Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 09:32 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 08:37 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Roosh is onto something there. How many mass murdering crimes are there in Holland?
Even cats with zero game can always pony up some Euros at the very worst and buy some pum pum.
Either buss a nut or buss a shot.

Au contraire... if prostitution is the only way to get sex, your sense of self worth will suffer just as much. It's releaving for a short moment but if it's the only way to be "accepted" by women, it will fuck you up.

Those incidents happen in Europe, too, especially in schools, just not that often.

No one is going to kill because he hasn't had sex in a while. It's because he get's rejected again and a again as a person by society and the other sex, of course. Sadly, making men feel as if they are the last scum seems to be womens' favorite sport in the western world.

As far as cheap, legal whores go, it's a good thing because it increases the amount of competition women have. Warlizard in his memoir talked about this effect while he was stationed in Germany. When guys have an option between paying $20 for a date or drinks or $20 for a safe good looking hooker, he's not going to be that enthusiastic about paying for the date. The women were a lot better in Germany as a result.

Hmm, I think you might be onto something there.

[speakeasy]

(07-20-2012 07:00 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Several points, in response to various comments above (in no particular o

3. A dude in a Batman suit saving the day would have been hilarious but, sadly, the type that would have a Batman suit in his closet is the same kind of guy who does this kind of shit.

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