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The player cycle: prospecting
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The player cycle: prospecting

In my previous post I outlined four requirements of a player:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14263.html

If you don’t meet these requirements don’t feel bad. The guys that do are the exception, not the norm. What it does mean though is that very few of us really have what it takes to be a real player. The same way very few of us has what it takes to be an assassin. It doesn’t make you any less of a man and you shouldn’t beat yourself up over it. But just in case you feel that way, then these posts are for you.

The concept of a player or PUA has become idolized in our society the same way the spy or assassin has BUT before you decide you want to be one you should take a look at what it really entails. It is not as glamorous as many think and there are some very really drawbacks to the lifestyle.

If you have ever been in sales for a larger company you have probably heard of the concept of the sales cycle. The sales cycle in a minimum configuration consist of the following stages: prospecting, qualifying, presentation, objections, close. Each company customizes each stage for the product or service they are selling. The best sales people are people that become good at executing each of these stages for each sale and then do this day and day in out to rack up big numbers. A player job is no different. The only different is that the service a player is selling is himself.

So right away what does this tell you? If you hate selling, then becoming a player will be a lot harder because that is essentially what you are doing every night you step out: you are going out there to sell yourself! Also, some guys are going to have it lot easier than others because what they are selling is in higher demand. I have a friend who literally just goes somewhere and wait for women to approach him then say you want to go back to my place. A lot of women will turn him down but a quite a few also go. Now, I am in the same places with him, but how many women approach me? I would be lucky if one does. So how hard your job of selling will be is directly related to who you are – which is what you are selling.

Regardless of the demand for your service the sales cycle is still required to rack up high numbers. And it is absolutely required if you are just an average looking guy like me. If you read Roosh books careful, you will realize he is applying the sales cycle without realizing it. So let’s look at how the sales cycle becomes a player lifestyle and the consequences of that lifestyle in this and the next four post.

Prospecting: where to find the women you want to meet. There are women everywhere but it is to your benefit if you can go somewhere where there are more of the kind of the women you are interested in. For example, if you are really into blondes and you are in Africa you might find things a bit difficult. Prospecting is analyzing your local environment and attempting to find locations that will be most conducive to meeting and picking up the kind of women you like. In both of his Bang books Roosh talks about finding that favorite bar or club in each city that works for him. When he goes to a new city he scouts it out, check out the bars, and different social areas. He looks at the women that goes to them and the competition. This is prospecting. Personally, I take a different approach. Given that my attraction range is very narrow I know there is no single place that I can find that will have a lot of the women I find attractive. So I have to cast a much wider net. I don’t go out looking for women. I am always looking for THAT woman. Doesn’t matter where I am or what I am doing. If I see a woman I am attracted to I automatically go into game mode. I actively start analyzing the situation trying to work out what I call a firing solution – term from submarine warfare. If I come up with a firing solution, most of the time I will pull the trigger, but sometimes for whatever reason I will chicken out and hate myself after. I never feel bad pulling the trigger but I always feel bad not doing it. It is definitely worth trying and failing than not trying at all. The other avenues I use for prospecting are friends, online dating sites, my hobbies, work, facebook, everything. The more picky you are about who you are attracted to the more work it will take to find just one of them and I know this. Here are two recent examples of how I usually meet women:

I was getting a visa at an embassy and saw a woman with man also getting a visa. I wanted to meet the woman but she was sitting in the embassy waiting area with this guy. I realized that the only way it was going to happen was the guy would have to leave and go to the bathroom or she would have to do it and then I could pull what I call a bathroom interception. As luck would have it the guy did leave suddenly but she was still across the room from me. I would have had to get up and go over to her and come up with something to say. So while trying to figure out a possible opening line I heard her asking the security guard a question that I knew the answer to. I realize immediately that this was my firing solution and I had about 3 seconds to pull the trigger. I immediately interjected myself into the conversation by telling her what I knew and so we began talking. I then pretended I couldn’t hear her well and moved closer. Before she left I got her facebook and phone number. The guy was just a co-worker.

The other day I was in the checkout line at the supermarket when I saw the cashier: very cute girl. Of course, as I got to her and was ringing up my goods there was a bunch of people behind me – always happens. Not much time for a good conversation but I got it started and let her know I was interested. I then returned to the store and waited for her line to empty then walked up to her with some milk. She goes to me oh, you forget something? I look directly at her and said: no, I just wanted to talk to you.
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The player cycle: prospecting

Quote: (07-13-2012 12:24 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

... I then returned to the store and waited for her line to empty then walked up to her with some milk. She goes to me oh, you forget something? I look directly at her and said: no, I just wanted to talk to you.

Great, really balls to go direct like that. I've had the nerve at times, curious as to how she reacted. thing about that is it saves a lot of time in either best case or worst case scenarios:

1) Best case she knows she knows she's into you and is completely willing to give up phone/make a date.

2) Worst case you are not her type and all effort is wasted.
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The player cycle: prospecting

In this case it worked I got her facebook info BUT I failed in the end because her English was very poor and she was very shy/scared to actually talk to me.

I use the direct approach when I don't have much time. Actually someone was already behind me in the line so I had to rush things.

Quote: (07-17-2012 03:05 PM)deepcov3r Wrote:  

Quote: (07-13-2012 12:24 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

... I then returned to the store and waited for her line to empty then walked up to her with some milk. She goes to me oh, you forget something? I look directly at her and said: no, I just wanted to talk to you.

Great, really balls to go direct like that. I've had the nerve at times, curious as to how she reacted. thing about that is it saves a lot of time in either best case or worst case scenarios:

1) Best case she knows she knows she's into you and is completely willing to give up phone/make a date.

2) Worst case you are not her type and all effort is wasted.
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The player cycle: prospecting

I like this..

Quote: (07-13-2012 12:24 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Prospecting:

where to find the women you want to meet. There are women everywhere but it is to your benefit if you can go somewhere where there are more of the kind of the women you are interested in. For example, if you are really into blondes and you are in Africa you might find things a bit difficult. Prospecting is analyzing your local environment and attempting to find locations that will be most conducive to meeting and picking up the kind of women you like. In both of his Bang books Roosh talks about finding that favorite bar or club in each city that works for him. When he goes to a new city he scouts it out, check out the bars, and different social areas. He looks at the women that goes to them and the competition. This is prospecting.

What you call "prospecting", I call "fishbowling".

Right now, I am in the process of writing "The Fishbowl - Part 2".

I have developed some deeper and more complex theories since I wrote this...

The Fishbowl

Alot of it is about finding the girls who like you. This is different then finding the girls that you like. Very different. Many guys may not even know which types of girls like them. They search for places where they like the girls but that doesn't mean that those girls are gonna like them. I have started to look at it the other way around.

Here is why..

I used to go for alot of party girls and girls that were out in the nightlife scence. I had some success but not as much as I wanted. I wasn't in the scence like they were so we were living different lifestyles.

While that was happening, I noticed that I was getting attention from a different type of girl. Fitness girls and healthy girls. Yoga girls and more down to earth type chicks. I had never eally pursued these types of girls aggressively.

I said to myself..."fuck, if these girls like me, I might as well bang them".

I am not gonna turn down a cute girl just because on the surface she may not look like my type.

So, I slightly modified my fishbowl strategy. Instead of looking for places where I like the girls, I focused more on places where the girls like me.

What happened was pretty interesting. I entered this new world of yoga and health food and I discovered some brand new fishbowls that are great for me.

Stuff like this:

Ecstatic Dance

I also started learning about and hanging around with a few raw food chicks, earthy-hippie chicks (only the cute ones), and stuff like that.

I am not really into that stuff so much but I learned that alot of those girls like my vibe. They smile at me and open me. I don't share all of their philosophies but I might pretend that I do. This was a great experience for me.

Identifying the types of girls who are into my vibe and style. I am now adjusting my style to attract these girls even more. It feels great because I am not chasing them so much. I am doing more what I call "baiting". Hanging at their events, immersing myself in their culture and letting them come to me.

My "type" at 35 is different then my "type" at 25. Shit, they are all my type if they are cute and dtf.
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The player cycle: prospecting

This is good stuff and I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, what I am looking for, at this point in my life, is not a type of girl but a deep connection with them and I never know who or where these people will be.

Quote: (07-17-2012 03:54 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I like this..

Quote: (07-13-2012 12:24 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Prospecting:

where to find the women you want to meet. There are women everywhere but it is to your benefit if you can go somewhere where there are more of the kind of the women you are interested in. For example, if you are really into blondes and you are in Africa you might find things a bit difficult. Prospecting is analyzing your local environment and attempting to find locations that will be most conducive to meeting and picking up the kind of women you like. In both of his Bang books Roosh talks about finding that favorite bar or club in each city that works for him. When he goes to a new city he scouts it out, check out the bars, and different social areas. He looks at the women that goes to them and the competition. This is prospecting.

What you call "prospecting", I call "fishbowling".

Right now, I am in the process of writing "The Fishbowl - Part 2".

I have developed some deeper and more complex theories since I wrote this...

The Fishbowl

Alot of it is about finding the girls who like you. This is different then finding the girls that you like. Very different. Many guys may not even know which types of girls like them. They search for places where they like the girls but that doesn't mean that those girls are gonna like them. I have started to look at it the other way around.

Here is why..

I used to go for alot of party girls and girls that were out in the nightlife scence. I had some success but not as much as I wanted. I wasn't in the scence like they were so we were living different lifestyles.

While that was happening, I noticed that I was getting attention from a different type of girl. Fitness girls and healthy girls. Yoga girls and more down to earth type chicks. I had never eally pursued these types of girls aggressively.

I said to myself..."fuck, if these girls like me, I might as well bang them".

I am not gonna turn down a cute girl just because on the surface she may not look like my type.

So, I slightly modified my fishbowl strategy. Instead of looking for places where I like the girls, I focused more on places where the girls like me.

What happened was pretty interesting. I entered this new world of yoga and health food and I discovered some brand new fishbowls that are great for me.

Stuff like this:

Ecstatic Dance

I also started learning about and hanging around with a few raw food chicks, earthy-hippie chicks (only the cute ones), and stuff like that.

I am not really into that stuff so much but I learned that alot of those girls like my vibe. They smile at me and open me. I don't share all of their philosophies but I might pretend that I do. This was a great experience for me.

Identifying the types of girls who are into my vibe and style. I am now adjusting my style to attract these girls even more. It feels great because I am not chasing them so much. I am doing more what I call "baiting". Hanging at their events, immersing myself in their culture and letting them come to me.

My "type" at 35 is different then my "type" at 25. Shit, they are all my type if they are cute and dtf.
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The player cycle: prospecting

But what do you mean by deep connection? Can you really have a "deep" connection with a woman? Is it possible to have any kind of lasting connection with an attractive woman that doesn't involve 24/7 maintenance game?

Athlone puts it well in this post:

"They aren't trying to be rescued, and they aren't trying to be devoted wifey to some "nice" guy-they just want to have fun, party a little, and fuck hot guys (at their discretion, not yours). If given the choice, they'd probably prefer to be the ho as opposed to the housewife. They simply do not want any of the limit imposed by the visions many romantic guys have. Even the mildly romantic one we see in this anecdote (where said guy still has a special place for her in his mind, but also still has other women on speed-dial) is enough to get them running away-they want no piece of the (needy) vision many smitten men want to foist upon them.

Young guys have to learn this the hard way, but even older red-pill takers like AmericaninEurope (and myself, I'm not ashamed to admit it) forget it sometimes when a girl of apparently high quality shows up. We want to forget what she really is, make her what we want, and treat her the way we as men think is ideal (with "fairness", and all that). None of that works, and the lesson is re-learned once again-they don't want it and they never will. They simply are what they are-one cannot make them into anything else, and what you wish to see them become is truly irrelevant to them."
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The solution for the chick at the embassy is to open both the guy and the girl. make sure that they are both cool with you. Even if he went to the bathroom, because you know that when he would eventually come back, there would be some kind of friction. Disarm his amog from the beginning- get him on your side (even if he's the boyfriend).
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Quote: (07-18-2012 02:48 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

what I am looking for, at this point in my life, is not a type of girl but a deep connection with them and I never know who or where these people will be.

Making a connection with a girl is an important part of game. What I'm talking about is basically building comfort with her. Sometimes its authentic and sometimes we fake it or exaggerate it. It doesn't have to be real, she just has to think it is.

As your game gets better, your ability to make a connection should also get better. You want a girl to be comfortable around you and lower her guard.

Also, what type of girls do you most easily "connect" with???

Probably girls that share some of your interests and philosophies. Maybe girls with a similiar background to yours? Mutual hobbies, similiar taste in food, art, music, culture, etc.

There must be some way to locate these girls.

Practice your connection building skills. You want to get girls to open up and talk about themselves. Share their hopes and dreams and fears with you. When they do this, they feel more connected to you. Add in some light touching and you are well on your way to a strong connection.
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