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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!
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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!

Quote: (12-01-2013 05:01 PM)Fathom Wrote:  

I've signed up on eLance and set up a profile. I know I can pay to get more bids, and that I'll need at least 100-200 to even begin landing about 10% of the jobs. But my question is, WHICH jobs should I bid on? Most seem foreign to me. For example, filtering Writing & Translation > Web Content brings up all many different types of jobs, some of which sound very specialized. Should I just start randomly going for any of these?

If your bid templates are good it shouldn't take 200 bids. I do 3 daily, 5 days a week and got my first client in my second week (30 bids).

I felt the same way you did but you gotta either research the topic or some clients will give you the source and ask to put it together. My niche is academic writing/proofreading, I just finished a paper on the hospitality industry and I'm an English major. Don't worry about it.

Take 2-3 cheap jobs about anything, do em good, get good feedback and jack your rates up.

Quote: (08-18-2016 12:05 PM)dicknixon72 Wrote:  
...and nothing quite surprises me anymore. If I looked out my showroom window and saw a fully-nude woman force-fucking an alligator with a strap-on while snorting xanex on the roof of her rental car with her three children locked inside with the windows rolled up, I wouldn't be entirely amazed.
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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!

Quote: (12-01-2013 11:50 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

If your bid templates are good it shouldn't take 200 bids. I do 3 daily, 5 days a week and got my first client in my second week (30 bids).

Yes, you're right that good bidding can increase the success rate, but there's a huge difference between landing a client and building a full-time business. 100 to 200 bids a week is a strategy for filling your pipeline with work and instantly replacing your day job. Note that it will probably take more than just Elance to find that many jobs (I did it through a combination of freelance sites and craigslist).

Also, note that the poster was talking about the 10% win ratio I mentioned before. In your response you're talking about a 3% win ratio here (1/30) - so not exactly an improvement, though there's obviously still a chance you'll win some of those you've bid on.

In my first week, I think I landed the third job I bid on, but I still went full bore on the bidding because I wanted a business I could count on.

Your advice is good, but I highly recommend a full-sprint bidding effort for someone who wants to go full-time as fast as possible. Land so much work you struggle to keep up with it.

Then raise your prices.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!

$50 per hour is not solid money IMHO. That's not even comparable to a top lawyer.
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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!

Quote: (12-02-2013 07:01 AM)roid Wrote:  

$50 per hour is not solid money IMHO. That's not even comparable to a top lawyer.

Are you a top lawyer?
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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!

Ad hominem attack. Attacking the person instead of forming counter argument.

I am not a top lawyer, instead I am a software developer with daily rate more than 1k per day. My rate is of course not as good as top lawyers which is why I wouldn't say that 50 bucks per hour is solid money.

If your feeling gets hurt, I do understand. Not everyone is capable of making big bucks.
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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!

LOL at "ad hominem attack."

Pheonix500000 wasn't attacking you. He was making a point that most people aren't a "top lawyer," so therefore uusing that as a comparison point is a bit silly. Especially when you say "not even comparable to." As if top lawyers are the lowest point on the totem pole to surpass before something is even worthy of discussion...

And then the talk of "feelings getting hurt" based on his 5-word response?

You must have come in here expecting an attack if you read his reply as one.

Anyways, I agree with you that $50 an hour is not much to sneeze at when you're self-employed, as I've mentioned extensively in various threads on this forum, but I think you misunderstood the post on several different levels.

First, I said $50 an article - not $50 an hour. Even if I had meant $50/hour though, these things are obviously relative. For a lot of guys looking to travel the world who formerly believed you couldn't make more than $1 - $5 per article, "solid" becomes a pretty apt description.

Second, the post relayed my experiences in order to convey that there is solid money in the online content markets - not in order to imply that the rates mentioned equal solid money; they're only suggestive of what's possible. I'd say it's a good starting point to aim for, but you certainly wouldn't want it to be your end game.

Also, you seemed to miss the part in the post where I'd mentioned I was moving on to higher rates. I still haven't made a full-time schedule out of my highest rates (and don't plan to), but it's not unusual for me to get $100+/hour for writing these days.

A lot of serious online writers will tell you that's a good starting point. My best rates have been $150 an hour, and I honestly don't think I've really scratched that far past the surface yet.

Most of all, though, I have to say I don't really get the point of you coming into this thread to counter something as mundane as the use of the word "solid" in the post title....

You obviously have experience in a lucrative industry with the potential to be location independent. So how about doing something constructive like sharing info about how to make 1K per day instead of coming in here with the negativity?

Start a thread on it.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!

Quote: (12-02-2013 11:24 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Most of all, though, I have to say I don't really get the point of you coming into this thread to counter something as mundane as the use of the word "solid" in the post title....

You obviously have experience in a lucrative industry with the potential to be location independent. So how about doing something constructive like sharing info about how to make 1K per day instead of coming in here with the negativity?

Start a thread on it.

I agree with you BB that Droid seems to be coming into a thread just to provoke and/or to argue without anything really to hang his hat upon.

Also, from my research, if a guy could generate $100 per day in a fairly easy way, in many SEA locations, then he could live fairly comfortably in many SEA locations. Surely mileage will vary, yet it seems to me that if there are means (such as researching and writing a few hours a day) to generate decent income, such as $100 per day, while living location independent, that would cause a lot of guys to be able to live a life of their dreams - to travel.

Of course, being able to generate anything beyond $100 per day would add to a guy's ability to live in more expensive locations and/or to have a higher standard of living in a low cost region. Accordingly, each guy may come to a different opinion as to what is a "solid" income.

$50 an hour is close to what a guy needs to live comfortably in many major western cities, especially, if he is trying to build up a nest egg to be able to travel. Earning more money per hour is better and having to work fewer hours per week is better, but sometimes it may NOT be worth the sacrifice to many guys to have to work more hours if a guy is too tied down, and sometimes a guy may perceive too much sacrifice to build certain skills or to maintain certain licenses, such as a law license - or even to be able to get the law degree and then license is a pretty major sacrifice (thus NOT an apt comparison, and usually NOT a profession that is location independent).
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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!

Jay... Hah. I love your posts, man.

AB ANTIQUO, AB AETERNO
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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!

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Your advice is good, but I highly recommend a full-sprint bidding effort for someone who wants to go full-time as fast as possible. Land so much work you struggle to keep up with it.

Then raise your prices.

Oh ok, I get you BB.

I only write to bankroll another project I'm working on. Landing ten jobs in a week would have me breaking day and feeling like shit at the 9-5.

But I agree 100%: Your way works much better for cats wanting to full-time(which I may one day). Basically, you and I are using the same means to achieve different ends.

Quote: (08-18-2016 12:05 PM)dicknixon72 Wrote:  
...and nothing quite surprises me anymore. If I looked out my showroom window and saw a fully-nude woman force-fucking an alligator with a strap-on while snorting xanex on the roof of her rental car with her three children locked inside with the windows rolled up, I wouldn't be entirely amazed.
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Don't Overlook the Online Content Markets - Pretty Solid Money!

I just wanted to share some tips I've learned writing on Textbroker off-and-on for the past few years. It isn't the end-all be-all of content farms, but recently the site has gotten better in regards to the volume of gigs available, as well as the effective hourly you can earn writing certain types of articles:

Textbroker: Don’t Quit Your Day Job, But If You’re Looking for a Side Hustle, there is an Easy Few Hundred Bucks a Month To Be Had
There are many opportunities online to make some quick scratch writing articles. With the large amount of small businesses needing content and "entrepreneurs" looking to copy Tim Ferriss, there is plenty of work that is easy to find.

While the job postings are endless, the income potential is not: a lot of the time you'll find gigs where they want you to write 10 500 word articles for $10! Not only that, they want you to link to 3 references, use a keyword 10 times (that’s barely relevant for the article). Sometimes the instructions will be longer than the article they want you to write!

Is there a way to, off the bat, make a decent hourly?

There is, albeit with a few caveats (not full-time, not long term).

As many other writers have noted, Textbroker is not the best place to make a career as a freelance writer. While currently there are over a 2800 writing gigs available on the site, most of these will not be worth your time. These are the articles that will pay you $3.50 to write a 350-word article that take as long as 45 minutes to write and research. If you are a NEET waiting for you mom to microwave your tendies, this is even less than what you would make from your part-time job at Wal-Mart.

With just a few minutes of day of searching, however, you will be able to find enough articles to write 10 hours a week for the site, earning $500 monthly after taxes. While this obviously will not let you quit your day job and go GALT, if you are young man looking to create a marketable skill for yourself (copy writing/content writing), this is a decent way to get your feet wet.

The content written on Textbroker is not Gary Halbert-level material, and doesn't have to be; these articles require little research; in most if not all cases, the clients of Textbroker who post the articles will even provide you links to existing articles they want you to rehash. Textbroker’s clients are small businesses such as dental practices, ambulance chasing law firms, and affiliate marketers looking to build up review sites. About 10% of these clients will be tough customers demanding rewrites (avoid car dealerships); since this will dramatically reduce your hourly, you are better off “quitting” the gig and letting the article go back to the general pool: once you realize who’ll be the bad clients to work for, you can reduce this to less than 5% of the articles you attempt to write, making minimal dents in your hourly.

Types of Articles That Pay an Effective Hourly Above $20

Like I mentioned earlier, it is hard to find enough $20+ effective hourly articles on Textbroker to quit your day job; but if you focus on these niches, you will be able to find enough articles to write about 10 hours a week at $20 an hour: this will get you around $800 a month pretax, and if you are in the 15% federal income tax bracket, after income taxes and FICA your take home pay will be around $500 a month. $500 a month isn’t much, but it may help you make your student loan and/or car loan payments, and given it is only 10 hours a week, you could get away with writing these articles while you are sitting at your cubicle at work.

The articles you need to focus on are rehashes-generic articles that are around 500-800 words, and consist of you rewording existing content. The best categories for this are Location-Specific Articles and Review Website Articles.

Location-Specific Articles
A lot of small businesses who use Textbroker are looking for location specific articles: law firms, dental practices, car title loan providers, and others want articles that say things like “Title Loans in Peoria” or “Laser Dental Surgery in Visalia”. Most of the time these clients are trying to build out their website, and will put up dozens of articles needed. These articles will basically be the same subject, but with different cities in the keywords. For example, a law firm operating in Southern California will want 15 articles, each one about “Motorcycle Accidents” in various suburbs of Los Angeles. Once you write one or two articles (look online for the details you need to rehash), you’ll be able to churn out a few of these an hour, giving you an effective hourly rate as high as $25. These batches will not be available every day, but when it rains, it pours. It may take you a whole night, but if your alternative is trolling forums and watching YouTube videos, it is a worthwhile use of your time.

Review Website Articles

Along with location-targeted law firm articles, review website articles are also a lucrative gig on Textbroker. Hundreds of wannabe affiliate marketing masters will post article gigs on Textbroker. These clients have read some Tim Ferris books, and want to half-ass their way to an easy living. All you need to do is search for reviews online, rehash the article, and submit. These clients are the best: I’ve never had one of these clients reject an article.
Even better than the generic review articles are the online casino review articles. These reviews have been popping up lately, and are over 1200 words long. You’ll generate $14 an article, and you can easily write 2 an hour: that is $28 an hour! The easiest part of the online casino review articles is not only will the client provide you with links to existing reviews, you can fill the articles with lists of the casino games (the sites typically have hundreds) available on the sites, as well as a rehash of deposit and withdrawal methods.

Stepping Stone for Better Opportunities
Textbroker alone will not help you build a freelance writing career: if you focus on the wrong areas, you’ll end up an online burger flipper, as Matt Forney once said. Writing 10 hours a week on Textbroker will give you some extra money to invest or pay your bills, as well as provide an opportunity to improve and hone your copywriting skills, so you can eventually write better articles for more pay. You’ll start to learn what types of content is in demand, and how you as a budding entrepreneur can capitalize.
An example of this is medical practice and law firm content. You could easily build up a niche business providing this content to medical offices, dental practices, and law firms in your area. You could tie this up with web design and other up-sells, and carve out a nice niche business for yourself.

Takeaway
•Textbroker by and large has low-value writing gigs that take too much time to research and write for the pay.
•If you focus on the two niches described in this article, you’ll be able to generate an after-tax side income of $500/month, while at the same time practicing your copywriting skills
•Looking at the available article writing gigs on Textbroker will give insight to what types of article are in demand; you can even discover lucrative niches you didn’t even know about.
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