[flyfreshandyoung]

Surprised no one mentioned ruthless pragmatism. Running rotations and going out for strange on a consistent basis requires a sizable amount of cold calculation and self interest.

Feelings and attachment get in the way in many cases and can be detrimental to ones goals.

[Richie]

Great post Nomad77. YOu have totally hit the nail on the head, I feel like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders. I always thought I was a player but I often find myself not approaching and more often than not, going home alone. But when I see something I like something comes over me like a wild animal. I simply suffer from number 1 and no matter how hard I try to fight it or beat myself up over that 6 I totally could of banged.... I just did not fancy her. I could have gained my first slovakian flag last night. But I passed. Thick legs. I feel like for a lot of the guys on this board it's the flag that means more than the bang. THe question is why do some players have this trate and others not?

[velkrum]

Richie Wrote:

• I often find myself not approaching and more often than not, going home alone.
• I feel like for a lot of the guys on this board it's the flag that means more than the bang. THe question is why do some players have this trate and others not?

You answered your own question

Quote:

• no matter how hard I try to fight it or beat myself up over that 6 I totally could of banged.... I just did not fancy her.
• when I see something I like something comes over me like a wild animal
  

[Richie]

So the laws of attraction go right out the window for the sake of a flag.

[velkrum]

Richie Wrote:

So the laws of attraction go right out the window for the sake of a flag.

You are not attracted to women with thick legs
I am..

• 1 Bang for me
• 0 Bangs for you

If we are both in a city where the majority of women have thick legs,
who will be the player around town and who will go home lonely on most nights ?

If you think for a second, attraction is subjective.
You are pickier, which limits your sexual encounters.

Also keep in mind
most if not ALL men
can be aroused and sleep with women who are not considered attractive by other guy's standards.
Some guys are honest about it, some aren't.

[Jalouse]

From the op you state a range of 4 - 7, for reference what does a 4 look like? To me that is a very unattractive woman but the whole rating system is different for everyone so maybe you're thinking something different for a 4 than I am?

[Richie]

^ would hit the top half.

[Nomad77]

Our "attraction range" is determined by many different things e.g. our past, what kind of girls we've had before, our own self image, what value we place on ourselves, our culture, mother, porn we grew up with, women we grew up with, etc. etc.

Our range can change but it's not something we can consciously do for the most part and the change will be limited. The bigger question should be WHY force yourself to be someone you are not. Why fuck that 6 if you are not going to enjoy it. Does it matter that some other guy will. Let him. So what?

In any given year, I turn down over 70% of the girls I could have sex with AND most of those girls most guys would have no problem with. My friends frequently remind me that I am crazy but also there are girls I do have sex with that they can't understand why I would but me and those girls had a connection/chemistry. My attraction is not only based on physical looks it is also heavily based on personality and chemistry. If I don't like a girl I won't sleep with her unless she makes it's so easy that I don't have to deal with her personality and I'm just horny that day.

(07-13-2012 06:27 AM)Richie Wrote:  

Great post Nomad77. YOu have totally hit the nail on the head, I feel like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders. I always thought I was a player but I often find myself not approaching and more often than not, going home alone. But when I see something I like something comes over me like a wild animal. I simply suffer from number 1 and no matter how hard I try to fight it or beat myself up over that 6 I totally could of banged.... I just did not fancy her. I could have gained my first slovakian flag last night. But I passed. Thick legs. I feel like for a lot of the guys on this board it's the flag that means more than the bang. THe question is why do some players have this trate and others not?

[heartlessthrob]

One of the biggest things to being a player and being successful in any relationship or anything you do is WILL POWER and DISCIPLINE. Without those. The weak moments where your women has you sweating bullets because you do not know where she is, you have to be strong enough not to call. Or if she doesnt call you, you have to show her you can live without her. Its all basics really. Its like do not always reply on time...Always keep her on her toes, even when she is comfortable. If you fail to do these things, watch your relationship crumble. Or your catch of pussy.

[heartlessthrob]

(07-13-2012 07:51 AM)velkrum Wrote:  

Richie Wrote:

So the laws of attraction go right out the window for the sake of a flag.

You are not attracted to women with thick legs
I am..

• 1 Bang for me
• 0 Bangs for you

If we are both in a city where the majority of women have thick legs,
who will be the player around town and who will go home lonely on most nights ?

If you think for a second, attraction is subjective.
You are pickier, which limits your sexual encounters.

Also keep in mind
most if not ALL men
can be aroused and sleep with women who are not considered attractive by other guy's standards.
Some guys are honest about it, some aren't.

Shes about a 3 in my book. I do not touch anything under a six. just a rule of thumb. She couldnt even give me head.

[_DC_]

I'm also very picky, as far as putting forth effort. If a 6-7 basically falls on my cock, I will let it happen, esp. while drinking. This has actually happened several times and I've gotten into FB relationships with this.

When I look at my two good friends in DC who got laid all the time, they, one in particular, sleep with good looking girls sometimes but the majority are pretty so-so. I think the constant sex is an aura regardless of where its coming from.

I really need to do a true nofap/noporn for two weeks and see where it takes me. I've got a hot OKC girl coming over right now, Turkish flag coming hopefully! I wish I woulda made it til tonight with the no fap for uber aggressiveness

[soup]

(07-13-2012 08:29 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Our "attraction range" is determined by many different things e.g. our past, what kind of girls we've had before, our own self image, what value we place on ourselves, our culture, mother, porn we grew up with, women we grew up with, etc. etc.

Our range can change but it's not something we can consciously do for the most part and the change will be limited. The bigger question should be WHY force yourself to be someone you are not. Why fuck that 6 if you are not going to enjoy it. Does it matter that some other guy will. Let him. So what?

In any given year, I turn down over 70% of the girls I could have sex with AND most of those girls most guys would have no problem with. My friends frequently remind me that I am crazy but also there are girls I do have sex with that they can't understand why I would but me and those girls had a connection/chemistry. My attraction is not only based on physical looks it is also heavily based on personality and chemistry. If I don't like a girl I won't sleep with her unless she makes it's so easy that I don't have to deal with her personality and I'm just horny that day.

(07-13-2012 06:27 AM)Richie Wrote:  

Great post Nomad77. YOu have totally hit the nail on the head, I feel like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders. I always thought I was a player but I often find myself not approaching and more often than not, going home alone. But when I see something I like something comes over me like a wild animal. I simply suffer from number 1 and no matter how hard I try to fight it or beat myself up over that 6 I totally could of banged.... I just did not fancy her. I could have gained my first slovakian flag last night. But I passed. Thick legs. I feel like for a lot of the guys on this board it's the flag that means more than the bang. THe question is why do some players have this trate and others not?

Saying things like "why force yourself to be something you are not" can be a double edged sword if you are in the process of improving your game. I'd bet that most of us are here because we don't yet have the game that we want. We "aren't" yet there, but nothing will happen if you stay in your comfort zone.

It's interesting to point out commonalities, or "prerequisites" of players. That said, be careful- positing that there are prerequisites to game is flirting with game denialism. It's not too far from saying you need to be rich or good looking to get with girls.

A beta male has to force himself to be something he is not if wants to get with attractive women in our society. He must force himself to set and fulfill goals so that he can go grow. Prerequisites are irrelevant. You just have to do it.

[Nomad77]

I agree but this post is not aimed at beginners. It's about thinking you have to rack up high numbers to be happy. That, that should be your objective. I clearly stated that I meet a lot of girls but I don't fuck a lot of girls. And the point I am making is that to really rack up those high numbers you need to have to these prerequisites. You don't need them to just approach girls and improve how you interact with them.

(07-16-2012 11:54 AM)soup Wrote:  

(07-13-2012 08:29 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Our "attraction range" is determined by many different things e.g. our past, what kind of girls we've had before, our own self image, what value we place on ourselves, our culture, mother, porn we grew up with, women we grew up with, etc. etc.

Our range can change but it's not something we can consciously do for the most part and the change will be limited. The bigger question should be WHY force yourself to be someone you are not. Why fuck that 6 if you are not going to enjoy it. Does it matter that some other guy will. Let him. So what?

In any given year, I turn down over 70% of the girls I could have sex with AND most of those girls most guys would have no problem with. My friends frequently remind me that I am crazy but also there are girls I do have sex with that they can't understand why I would but me and those girls had a connection/chemistry. My attraction is not only based on physical looks it is also heavily based on personality and chemistry. If I don't like a girl I won't sleep with her unless she makes it's so easy that I don't have to deal with her personality and I'm just horny that day.

(07-13-2012 06:27 AM)Richie Wrote:  

Great post Nomad77. YOu have totally hit the nail on the head, I feel like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders. I always thought I was a player but I often find myself not approaching and more often than not, going home alone. But when I see something I like something comes over me like a wild animal. I simply suffer from number 1 and no matter how hard I try to fight it or beat myself up over that 6 I totally could of banged.... I just did not fancy her. I could have gained my first slovakian flag last night. But I passed. Thick legs. I feel like for a lot of the guys on this board it's the flag that means more than the bang. THe question is why do some players have this trate and others not?

Saying things like "why force yourself to be something you are not" can be a double edged sword if you are in the process of improving your game. I'd bet that most of us are here because we don't yet have the game that we want. We "aren't" yet there, but nothing will happen if you stay in your comfort zone.

It's interesting to point out commonalities, or "prerequisites" of players. That said, be careful- positing that there are prerequisites to game is flirting with game denialism. It's not too far from saying you need to be rich or good looking to get with girls.

A beta male has to force himself to be something he is not if wants to get with attractive women in our society. He must force himself to set and fulfill goals so that he can go grow. Prerequisites are irrelevant. You just have to do it.

[soup]

So, who is the better player?

The guy who can easily meet and attract a lot of girl but doesn't fuck them (you), or the guy who works hard to meet and attract a lot of girl but does fuck them.

Sex drive is not too relevant for the first type of player.

Is it really that you don't fuck them because you don't want to? How do you really know that you can if you aren't actually fucking them?

[Nomad77]

The point is not who is the better player. I am not in a competition with anyone. While the standard definition of a player may be someone who has a lot of sex with different women I believe that most men don't have either the desire or personality to really be effective at this.

If fucking a lot of women floats your boat great, knock yourself out. But that does not mean that the techniques put forth by Roosh and others aren't effective at just meeting women and establishing a relationship with just one of them - which is what most guys probably want anyway.

(07-16-2012 12:15 PM)soup Wrote:  

So, who is the better player?

The guy who can easily meet and attract a lot of girl but doesn't fuck them (you), or the guy who works hard to meet and attract a lot of girl but does fuck them.

Sex drive is not too relevant for the first type of player.

Is it really that you don't fuck them because you don't want to? How do you really know that you can if you aren't actually fucking them?

[soup]

Of course you can use some techniques in an LTR, but game changes, and the newer approaches need to be practiced.

If you get into a monogamous relationship, consider that whether or not she's interested in other guys, a hot girl will never be out of the evolving game world. She will always be getting hit on by other guys (until she hits the wall, but why would you want her after that?).

Meanwhile, without going out and honing your skills with other women, your game will fall behind. Eventually, someone with a more up-to-date game will swoop her.

This is why game and very long-term monogamy aren't really compatible.

[Nomad77]

Hmmm...I sort of disagree. My so call game hasn't changed in years. I don't use pickup lines and canned material but I do believe you have to approach and you have to escalate. I believe in principles such as confidence and social proof. These things have very little to do with game and everything to do with social psychology.

To get a decent girl you need to understand and have some idea of how these things apply and how to use them. This is what game can teach you. Sure, someone can always steal your girl but if you have some level of game you can also go out there and get a new one.

(07-16-2012 12:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

Of course you can use some techniques in an LTR, but game changes, and the newer approaches need to be practiced.

If you get into a monogamous relationship, consider that whether or not she's interested in other guys, a hot girl will never be out of the evolving game world. She will always be getting hit on by other guys (until she hits the wall, but why would you want her after that?).

Meanwhile, without going out and honing your skills with other women, your game will fall behind. Eventually, someone with a more up-to-date game will swoop her.

This is why game and very long-term monogamy aren't really compatible.

[Giovonny]

The great playboys I know have one thing in common:

A burning desire for fresh pussy. The don't like it, they don't need it. They have to have it. Its like an obsession.

Desire is #1

You have to really want it.

[Nomad77]

I agree. If you don't have the desire you won't be able to do the work.
Unfortunately, my desire for new pussy is highly restricted to a specific type of girl :/ Within this segment of girls I am a decent playboy outside of it I am also nothing...

(07-17-2012 03:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

The great playboys I know have one thing in common:

A burning desire for fresh pussy. The don't like it, they don't need it. They have to have it. Its like an obsession.

Desire is #1

You have to really want it.

[Giovonny]

(07-17-2012 03:28 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Within this segment of girls I am a decent playboy outside of it I am also nothing...

Well, in that case, you gotta find out where these girls hang, shop, workout, live, etc.

Do all you can to surrond yourself with this segment of girls.

[Nomad77]

That's the problem. There is no such place. I run into them all over the place. I just don't know when and where it will happen and what their availability will be but it's something I am use to now. Thanks

(07-17-2012 04:03 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-17-2012 03:28 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Within this segment of girls I am a decent playboy outside of it I am also nothing...

Well, in that case, you gotta find out where these girls hang, shop, workout, live, etc.

Do all you can to surrond yourself with this segment of girls.

[keepreal]

(07-10-2012 06:48 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 05:49 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I agree with you, I can't stand people that needlessly brag about stuff whether it be how much money they make, women they fuck, or weight they can lift. To me people that do this are just masking their insecurities, they have a need to feed and pump up their ego, as a way of dealing with their deep-seeded issues.

Two guys I'm pretty good friends with that I hang out with frequently, brag so much, it really gets old. One of them is a clear case of a guy who is truly insecure, lacks self-esteem, and confidence, but tries to over-compensate by being boisterous, passive aggressive, and always trying to "one up" everyone else.

My other buddy reminds me of Deb from this forum, tall, naturally athletic build, handsome (with "male model" looks), and kills it with the women. He's a chill guy, cool, smart, and funny, so he's got stuff going for him, but I can't really say he has good game.

He brags and boasts like a motherfuck about all the women he bangs or that want to fuck him, which kind of irks me, because he can't be humble and understand he got lucky, and it's not exactly a cakewalk for everyone else. He likes to talk shit and kind of clown on everyone else, and compare the women he pulls to his friends.

I'm a big proponent of killing the ego. Not to confuse the ego with your self-identity or self worth, a person should always be their authentic self, but drop the need for validation, approval, the need to feel better than everyone and be admired by everyone.

The coolest people and some of the most successful people are often the most humble. A person who has everything going for them, but refrains from bragging and rubbing it in others faces', is often the one who is most secure with himself.

He has no need to tell everyone how great he is, because he just is, he knows it, and everyone else does too. People that are humble earn an extra level of respect, when they treat their peers as equals, even when it might not always be the case.

it is better just talk about fucking and how someone fucks , and spark a cool conversation about fucking rather than bragging ur abilities. It makes u sound experienced, but without the confrontational arrogant vibe.
Going back to a player, I think it is constant desire and motivation for sexual validation that drives a player. If u are just horny as fuck and lazy, u would just jerk off all day or fuck a good fuck buddy, and fuck her all day.

[Nomad77]

Very well written and I agree. There is a difference between talking about girl you are excited about and bragging about her...there is greatness in humility...

(07-30-2012 05:34 AM)keepreal Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 06:48 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 05:49 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I agree with you, I can't stand people that needlessly brag about stuff whether it be how much money they make, women they fuck, or weight they can lift. To me people that do this are just masking their insecurities, they have a need to feed and pump up their ego, as a way of dealing with their deep-seeded issues.

Two guys I'm pretty good friends with that I hang out with frequently, brag so much, it really gets old. One of them is a clear case of a guy who is truly insecure, lacks self-esteem, and confidence, but tries to over-compensate by being boisterous, passive aggressive, and always trying to "one up" everyone else.

My other buddy reminds me of Deb from this forum, tall, naturally athletic build, handsome (with "male model" looks), and kills it with the women. He's a chill guy, cool, smart, and funny, so he's got stuff going for him, but I can't really say he has good game.

He brags and boasts like a motherfuck about all the women he bangs or that want to fuck him, which kind of irks me, because he can't be humble and understand he got lucky, and it's not exactly a cakewalk for everyone else. He likes to talk shit and kind of clown on everyone else, and compare the women he pulls to his friends.

I'm a big proponent of killing the ego. Not to confuse the ego with your self-identity or self worth, a person should always be their authentic self, but drop the need for validation, approval, the need to feel better than everyone and be admired by everyone.

The coolest people and some of the most successful people are often the most humble. A person who has everything going for them, but refrains from bragging and rubbing it in others faces', is often the one who is most secure with himself.

He has no need to tell everyone how great he is, because he just is, he knows it, and everyone else does too. People that are humble earn an extra level of respect, when they treat their peers as equals, even when it might not always be the case.

it is better just talk about fucking and how someone fucks , and spark a cool conversation about fucking rather than bragging ur abilities. It makes u sound experienced, but without the confrontational arrogant vibe.
Going back to a player, I think it is constant desire and motivation for sexual validation that drives a player. If u are just horny as fuck and lazy, u would just jerk off all day or fuck a good fuck buddy, and fuck her all day.