[Taciturning]

As a former cop, I can recommend a few things.

1. The dude who is gonna catch you is almost certainly gonna be a regular old street cop. To keep them off your case, changing your appearance is absolutely priority number one. Number one is your clothing, it's the first thing a cop notices. That change of clothes you have? Put it on. Shaving your head and beard are also key. Hat, hoodie, sunglasses are also musts, unless you were last seen wearing them. Gender and race are the next things a cop notices, but there's not much you can do about that.

2. Resist getting into any kind of car. Taxis are your safest bet, but you should still avoid them if you can. Traffic rules are legion, and it's nearly impossible to drive a block without committing some kind of petty infraction that can get you pulled over. Countless crime sprees have ended due to something as simple running a red light or having a headlight out, etc. You're better off walking and staying in crowded areas. The average person wont be looking for you and wont notice you. Do NOT go creeping around dark alleys alone. You'll stand out and may get stopped for looking suspicious.

3. Tracking of your cellphone can be stopped by removing the battery, to the best of my knowledge. Also, there may be warrant requirements for this (this is a heavily litigated area of law with a lot of grey areas) but emergency warrants can be signed within hours. But you've got time to make a few calls.

4. I would buy a train ticket or something with my credit card, then hop on a bus going somewhere else and pay cash.

5. Do NOT turn to crime to finance your escape. You WILL get caught. Or shot. Drawing attention to yourself is a no no.

6. After draining the bank accounts quick, ditch the cards; they have your name on them. Ditch all ID.

7. Ability to speak a foreign language might be helpful. If you get stopped on the street by a tired cop, you can feign no knowledge of English, he wont feel like dealing with it over nothing, and cut you loose. Spanish wont work for this, there's a Spanish speaking cop on every department in this country I'm sure. They'll probably notice your American accent and know you're faking.

8. I dont know about tracking a laptop. But I would do all internet access from public libraries. Many have objected to identifying internet users on ideological grounds. Research countries with no extradition treaty with the USA and get going.

[Nineteen84]

(06-24-2012 06:08 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

-Laptop

You could theoretically use your same laptop without getting traced but cover your tracks with a MAC address changer as a precaution.

Wireless hardware devices have an in-built unique identifier called a MAC Address - many free public WiFi networks use this to control your usage as most people know about clearing cookies etc to try and reset usage limits.

Changing it every so often means you won't leave a digital footprint for anyone to follow.

[AntiTrace]

-Clothes on your back
-Backpack with basic toiletries and change of clothes
-Swiss army knife
-Laptop
-Cell phone (locked to your provider)
-Your wallet, which has $200 in cash and all your credit cards
-Your passport

First off: My backback will be a "go-bag." I suggest everyone get something similar. It is basically packed with hygiene items, survival items (fishing line, hooks, knife, hatchet, shovel, etc), a survival book, $500 cash, space blanket, first aid kits, waterproof tarp, lockpick set, etc. I keep it in my car in case I go off the road in a bad snowstorm or other types of emergencies.

1. Liquidate everything. I'm only running with cash. Laptop gets pawned. Go to the bank and get cash advance loans. Call the bank after I leave telling them I need an to raise the maximum daily ATM withdrawal limit for the next 24 hours because of business. Hit a couple different ATMs to get all the cash out. I am not planning on coming back to US so my credit isn't an issue which is why I would leave a couple credit cards laying around in bad parts of town on my way out hoping someone would grab them and start using them which would distract the fuzz. Only keep one card.

2. Alter appearance, Go "invisible". Invisible men are the ones that are required to keep a city running. Electricians, Plumbers, Janitors, etc. The people that you see everywhere but never remember. The people that can go just about anywhere and get through just about any security with a plausible story. ANy type of one piece zip up uniform would work the best, as you can wear normal clothes underneath and change your appearance again in a matter of seconds if compromised.

But I am lugging a large backpack, so I would assume the appearance of a backpacker. Stop by a goodwill and pick up a simple outfit.

3. Stock up. Probably goodwill again here, but you can be flexible. My bag already has everything I need, but if yours doesnt the goal is to be self-sustainable on the run for at least one week, before having to resupply.

4. Stop and Think. I am about to go past the point of no-return, it is imperative I make this decision rationally.

5. Escape. Again don't know much about NYC. I would try to blend in as much as possible will making my way south. Canada is closer but I don't like the cold and my dollars wont go as far. Mexico it is.

Getting out of a major city isn't the difficult part. If your only fear is the police, they will stick out due to their uniforms and marked cars. They are easy to avoid. I would buy a greyhound ticket out of NYC up north, but never board the bus. This would be bought with my credit card hoping it would distract them to the canadian border.

If the are actively pursuing me and know I am on the run they will have a search fan that will increase hourly based on the predicted rate of travel. Checkpoints and patrols will be intense for a couple days. After that the search fan is so huge and the trail is too cold, they would take up more of a passive search waiting for credit cards to hit or a lucky traffic stop. Thats when I make my move.

The rest is entirely dependent on the situation and skills I have. I can survive in the wilderness just fine, I would probably hike south for a while enjoying life and staying away from populated areas. That or hike west to hit a small N-S running river, steal a canoe/kayak, and run along the river as far as I could go. Hang out at a couple bars in small towns along my route and see where that took me. Maybe I could game a chick into sucking my filthy cock and then driving me south a hundred miles or so.

Stealing a car is always an option. Public transportation could work as long as it I can do it all with cash and without ID. I would keep my criminal acts to a minimum to avoid creating a trail, but would break into a couple houses here or there to stock up and food/toiletries and get some cash or valuables to pawn (or trade to bums or people I meet along my route).

Id slowly work my way to the border and then I would have to think again. I would rather not go through customs. Maybe steal a small airplane, rip the transponder out, and fly the border low and fast on a real shitty weather night where I know government agencies wouldn't be flying.

Maybe head down to florida and hunt down El Mech and see if he can get me by boat to the DR.

Then create a new identity and start hustling to create some income.

[Nineteen84]

(06-24-2012 11:23 AM)Taciturning Wrote:  

As a former cop, I can recommend a few things.

1. The dude who is gonna catch you is almost certainly gonna be a regular old street cop. To keep them off your case, changing your appearance is absolutely priority number one. Number one is your clothing, it's the first thing a cop notices. That change of clothes you have? Put it on. Shaving your head and beard are also key. Hat, hoodie, sunglasses are also musts, unless you were last seen wearing them. Gender and race are the next things a cop notices, but there's not much you can do about that.

If you managed to get serious $$$ you could always get one of these badboys: http://www.spfxmasks.com/ourmasks.php



And not having any easily identifiable tattoos will obviously help...

[el mechanico]

Remember the metro north. Just hop the train from NY and get to Connecticut. New Englanders could give a shit about NY bullshit. You're out in 30 minutes. Get off in Norwalk and collect yourself. Make it to Bridgeport and chances of interacting with the police are very low but the city could be a little rough. If you go to Danbury you could find someone to take you south and not even have to go though the city. Like I said before use game on fatties you can make them do anything when they're in the "Love" zone. Best places in Connecticut to find a stupid girl is Waterbury, Torrington and Hartford inland on the metro line coastal Stratford, Milford and West Haven

[pitt]

I would go see a good friend of mine, one that i know that wouldnt snitch on me (note that most criminals that are caught, always had someone close to them that snitched on them), ask for his passport, ask him to buy me a ticket to Haiti.

Arrive at the airport dressed in a different way from what i usually dress. I could dress like a rock star or dress like a homossexual, i think the male guards at the airport will kinda avoid you if you dress like the later one which makes easier for you to exit the country. Also, most of airport authorities dont really care about people leaving the country so i think you can exit the country without much problem if you havent been on the news yet or your case aint that big yet.

Once i arrive in Haiti, bitch there is no way they are catching me. I am getting a bus to DR and from there i will think on what im doing next.

[EisenBarde]

Step 1. Get a sex change

Step 2. Sue your accuser for sexual harassment and rape

Step 3. Profit

[Roosh]

Wow, lots of great ideas.. Kitsune, Taciturning, Antitrace.

That would make for a good non-fiction book: "24 Hours To Escape With $0"

[Divorco]

(06-24-2012 07:06 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Is it possible to get out of NYC via boat?

Yes, thousands of people take Water Taxi ferry's every day. You could also take the PATH subway to New Jersey.

I trust you and believe in your innocence. Call me and I'll have an associate drop off enough cash. In the meantime, get a crewcut and shave. The downside is you'll feel obliged to teach me Portuguese on the way to Brazil.

[Tuthmosis]

You guys have covered pretty much all of my steps (change appearance, ditch electronics, empty credit/bank accounts). But, since the original scenario had you just escaping the arrest party, it might be a little difficult to hit the bank and dye your hair right away. Also, keep in mind that the "new" U.S. Passport has an RFID chip, so you'd immediately have to ditch that too.

I would probably hide semi-locally first depending, of course, on where I was in the United States. A lot of guys get caught trying to leave immediately. I don't know anyone willing (or, frankly, capable) of covering for me adequately, so I'd be solo dolo. From 60-75 miles away from my location, I get situated for my longer term departure.

If you guys watch any real-crime TV--as I used to religiously, for years--you can see how guys remain undetected for years and then fuck up. The most common mistake are: contacting someone from their past, going back to the place where the committed the crime, or getting sloppy and being recognized abroad.

This show is precisely about this shit. I think the whole series is on Netflix. Check it out. It's dramatized, but pretty entertaining.

[Andy_B]

(06-24-2012 06:13 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

The first thing I would do is extract as much money as I can from my credit cards before they're blocked and traced.

-If my bank is open, I'd drain my account for as much as I can. If it's closed, I'd use the ATM
-I'd go to any bank branch and ask for the maximum credit card advance from one credit card. I'd repeat with the others at different banks

Hopefully I'd get at least $2,000-$3,000 from doing this.

The question is if I should hold onto the cards "just in case" or ditch them. They will be monitoring any attempted use.

Idea:

Take all but $50 off the credit cards in cash, then give the credit cards to a homeless man and tell him he can use the remaining funds as he likes.

You're only out $50 per card, and you throw the cops off the scent.

[Blunt]

It has been reported that microwaving your passport will fry the RFID chip.

[kolovrat]

Is Roosh going into post-game survivalism like Style did with Emergency?

Anyway my escape game plan is:

Version A

* Empty bank accounts and max out credit cards ASAP. Cash is king.
* Tail out of the city on a Greyhound and lie low so that the heat can die down.
* Throw away the laptop, sell the cell phone to send cops on a wild goose chase as suggested above.
* Not going to bother with all this fake ID tricks. I haven't learned about how it works and I'm not going to do it while the cops are hunting after me.
* Exfiltrate by boat, stolen or paid for. Latin America is not a great destination for the long haul, as they all seem to have extradition treaties with the US

Version B

* Head for Russian Embassy (or Venezuelan Embassy, Chinese Embassy, even Iranian Embassy if it comes down to that).
* Tell them I was framed for murder for my political activities.
* They will be more than happy to stick a finger in America's eye and will give me asylum.
* Living the next few decades in an Embassy may suck but it sure beats life in solitary confinement / Bubba game.

[Veloce]

I agree with laying low. If the man was out to get you, it seems to me that most resources would be poured in on the onset and your chances of getting caught would be greatest from the time of the warrant being issued.

I live about an hour from my hometown. If I could make it there (which is a simple bus ride away), there's no way anyone could find me. I know enough people that I would trust with my life and I know the back country there like nobody's business, not to mention secret alleys, gullies, ditches, orchards. It would literally have to be the largest manhunt in southern california history to get me. I'd pull out as much cash as I could and take this route. After several weeks or months, I'd conspire with my people on how to get me out of the country, and that would also give me enough time to drastically change my appearance.

[speakeasy]

I frequently hear the "escape to Cuba" plan, but what would happen once you got to Cuba? Cuba is a communist country and housing, jobs, medical care and such are assigned by the government. Even food is rationed by the state. I'm sure you'd have to register to get basic necessities of life. While their government may be willing to take in ideological exiles against the American government, I'm not so sure they'd find it in their interest to welcome convicts.

[Tengen]

(06-24-2012 06:08 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

In New York City you have been charged with a murder you did not commit. The powers-that-be WILL put you away for a long time even though you are innocent.

I want to take the other direction and make sure you are way above suspicion.

I remember reading a news article how someone got acquitted for murder because their fB status updates showed they were nowhere near the scene of the crime. Or even take some time-stamped location-noted pics from your mobile.

The bad thing is you are in a way relying on constant surveillance of your activities to prove your innocence, and having such information on you will get in the way of an escape. However if your goal is merely to build a case for your defense, maybe the above is plausible.

[Deb Auchery]

I've thought about this more and more lately. Especially as I have a fancy for teenage girls in FSU, always a chance one could tell me she's 17 when in fact she's 15 and her family will try to extort money from me, which is not so uncommon in Ukraine, it happened to a friend of a friend. I would probably just take a traditional route out of the country like a bus over the border somewhere.

If my business dealings went wrong then I would go to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty such as Brazil. I would be happy to live out my days there, I would get my family to come and visit every few months

[vinman]

A few other things to consider. Whatever old habits you had will be key in tracking you. Like working out religiously, books that you like, places that you would frequent, etc. You can't make friends. You have to find a place where people mind their own business, and want the same from you. Watch the profiles on Americas Most Wanted. They pretty much tell you what to avoid doing when you're on the lamb.

[cellblock4]

One thing people may want in their backpacks is prepaid debit/credit cards that are paid by cash. I think you can get them in large denominations. If the situation was such that it was premeditated you might be able to buy a plane ticket from NYC to Chicago with your real credit card departing an hour after you committed a crime. Simultaneously, you use the prepaid debit card to purchase a plane ticket with the same airline under John doe to say from Chicago to LA. Once you land in Chicago you are already behind security and have that boarding pass printed. When the authorities catch up they know your last known location was in Chicago. From LA I'd try to get into Mexico at the Tijuana border. A lot of underage college students cross over so they can drink. I'd try to pass myself off as a San Diego state party animal. From there I'd somehow try to find a route to brazil.

[porscheguy]

I sat and pondered this for a while. The reality is that most people wouldn't last very long on the run. Living on the run and always looking over your shoulder is exhausting for most people. Odds are, you're going to get busted sooner or later.

[speakeasy]

I'd love to hear how the master of escape game, D.B. Cooper covered his tracks and still hasn't been caught in 40 years. That's an amazing story.

[Screwston]

There's a documentary called Erasing David about a British guy who hires detectives to try and locate him after he disappears for a month.

[Kitsune]

(06-25-2012 03:01 AM)houston Wrote:  

There's a documentary called Erasing David about a British guy who hires detectives to try and locate him after he disappears for a month.

Yeah, but that guy is really bad.

He goes to France, then comes back.
He lives in a tent, visits his Dad, and gets caught by going to a hospital visit with his wife.

He also posts to a blog and thinks that they are using super-computer tracking wizardry using a chip in his bag or something. It is like he didn't even read anything about this sort of thing before he decided to go incognito, and he had ages to prepare seeing as he knew he was doing it.

[qazwsx]

Have more than 1 passport definitely helps.

I think someone could take some tips in this thread and write a script for a thriller trying to emulate "The Fugitive" (1993).

[Roustabout]

Great topic. I can't add much. Taciturning seems to have the most plausible plan. I would catch a bus to Texas. From there, I would pay a truck driver to take me across the border into Mexico for cash (I'm assuming a bus trip would be too risky). I would head to a larger city, lay low for a couple of weeks or months, depending on my cash situation. I would then find someone to create a fake passport. Book a flight to Brazil (assuming they still have no extradition), and stay.



Once in Brazil, I contact my criminal defense attorney. Everything said between the two of you is subject to attorney client privilege, so he/she cannot disclose you're location. You then begin working on you're defense. The fact that you ran will hurt you in your defense. But, I would vigorously defend myself b/c regardless of how happy I might be in Brazil, I don't want the U.S. government on my ass for the rest of my life.