[Rurik]

So I got a hot girls phone number. She was really into me, it was kind of ridiculous. Asked for my name, was trying to point out similarities and shit.

She was with a friend, and was going to go to the dance floor. I asked for her email, she insisted I take her number. I turned my cheek and she kissed it.

She was one of the top three cutest girls at the venue.

I was with a buddy, and after I got her number, I felt like, I could either go around and hit on other girls (there were very few decent targets available), or just eject and text the girl later.

Should I have stayed around and tried to makeout with her? Kind of seemed like it would have been a bad idea. My thinking was that, I had her number so I just eject and try to day 2 her later.


As a general rule, I've been thinking about whether to escalate at night game venues, or whether to just let the initial buzz and phone number carry over into a second date.

I'm sort of playing off my looks, since that seems to get a number of girls to almost semi-open me. I'm going to basically go through my current set of leads and see how day 2s go, try to get them on a one-on-one situation.

[Veloce]

As you'll see recommended around the forum, it's usually best to escalate as much as possible as long as you are in live contact with the girl. Treat your time in person with a girl like it's the greatest resource you have, a MILLION times more valuable than every phone number, email address, or other connection you can have with a girl. Being with a girl in person is where you get work done, and by delaying by contacting her later only hampers your work.

I've had many, many instances in the past, heavy make out sessions, unlimited IOIs and so forth. I would have bet MONEY that some girl I met was ready to fuck me for days on end. And then you go your separate ways, get in touch with voicemail, text, whatever, and they flake.

I still fight with this. I've collected hundreds of phone numbers, a small fraction of which ended in bangs. When I'm with a girl now, I push the pedal to the metal. It's an irony that in game you should appear outwardly cool, but inside you should be a thieving, conniving, conspiring sex crazy pervert.

[slubu]

Never eject thinking you will see them again. You must operate under the assumption that this is the one and only chance you have to bang her, and that you will NOT see them again. Can you get the # and potentially see them again for a day 2? Sure, it's happened to me. But I wouldn't count on it.

A few weeks ago I met a very attractive barbie looking 22yo at a bar, talked to her for hours there until the bar closed down. Walked to my car hand in hand, went back to my place, lots of making out but wouldn't let me go further. She typed in her full name and number in my phone before I dropped her off (no reason for her to give me her last name right?). Contacted her again afterwards, never heard from her again.

Went on a date last weekend, girl was super into me, heavy making out but no place to close because she lived with her mom and I lived 50 miles away. SHE makes plans for a second date DURING the first date where she agrees to come over and make me bloody marys. Call, no call back. Send a follow up text and two days later she texts me saying she's sorry has the flu and will contact me again when she gets better. I'm not expecting anything on that.

Other times after a first date it does not go smooth, girl seems offput and I'm pretty sure I'll never see her again. Then she does come out and I end up banging her.

Point is you really have no idea if you'll ever see a girl again, so try to go as far as possible whenever possible. Sadly this is not the old times of courtship where getting her number means she will agree to see you on a proper date. Between the time she gives you her number and you make contact, she has 1000 things to take her mind off of you: another dick, facebook, her maltese, her bff's boyfriend problems, 5 other guys calling/texting her, Bravo reruns, her asshole boss at work, and so on.

[Rurik]

thanks guys. Good tips. I basically agree. It's my first time back in the game in the US since my travels in SEA (where I banged a lot of bitches), so I got good at escalating and ripping clothes off. The game is so much different over there, it's like another world.

Now I'm facing bitch shields, flakes, and a lot more effort to expend to get far less.

I'm definitely going to try and go further and further within the initial interaction. I've been basically rationalizing it, after I get through the first "rejection" barrier of approaching and have a decent vibe going, I don't want to face the possibility of being subtly rejected during escalating.

Escalating really is about constantly risking rejection.

[haywire]

Fully agree with what slubu and thedude3737 have said above.

I can definitely relate with that feeling of getting major IOI's from a hot girl, then trying everything in your will to make sure that you don't screw up. Then never seeing her again. The thing is, you really have no control or guarantee over a chick till you have banged her. And this is even more true with hot girls, who are constantly bombarded with attention from all directions and have more options than they can keep track of. Add to that, the more you care the more you increase your chances of actually screwing up.

Sure, the night she met you, you were really the most interesting guy around and even she herself hadn't given her number with the intention of flaking on you, but guess what, she meets a rich CEO the next day who wants to take her to southern France for a vacation. Won't take long to forget about you.

[XXL]

touch to judge what's best in your described situation. my answer is to always move forward until getting real objection. and by moving forward i mean leading leading leading, not pushing or over escalating. number/date is only plan b

about makeouts..
i'd not kiss. i prefer to tease and build sexual tension until we're at private intimate place where we can explode.

about escalating at nigth game venues..
same thing, i now choose to underescalate (no over touching/grabbing/kissing/molesting) and to make her comfortable in each other space and stop at that level until one-on-one situation. i find that patience is the fastest road (having fun there and pulling at the end of the night simply by leaving the venue together)

[MrXY]

When I'm going out, my goal is my penis in a new vagina. That night.

I refer to them as "Bang Missions"

But, I know from experience that most nights this won't happen due to a cold streak, logistics, cockblocking or the girl's resistance. Although I am aware the odds are against me, my primary goal is unchanged.

Getting a number in night game is a last resort, an attempt to salvage what you can after it is clear you won't get the bang.

When I identify a girl who is interested in me, as the girl in your case, I stick with her and use whatever array of techniques I think will work on her, given her personality and the environment. Number one at night is kino escalation, but I am coming to agree with guys who say that club makeouts should be avoided because they take away the tease element and tend to trigger next day regret, leading to flaking. You should leave her wanting more of you, not feeling that she went too far. That said I do still make out in clubs sometimes but hey, sometimes I am just drunk and horny

[Rurik]

Texted the girl. She said she didn't remember me.

I had two emails from the weekend. One was fake, the other didn't respond.

I've gotten probably over a 100 numbers at this point, and had very few day 2s, just a handfull. Time to change shit up..... jesus. I don't know if I"m cut out for game in america.

[Veloce]

(06-27-2012 09:39 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Texted the girl. She said she didn't remember me.

I had two emails from the weekend. One was fake, the other didn't respond.

I've gotten probably over a 100 numbers at this point, and had very few day 2s, just a handfull. Time to change shit up..... jesus. I don't know if I"m cut out for game in america.

Welcome to the club!

Don't be down about it, consider it a milestone in your game. Now you see. Numbers don't mean SHIT.

That's why it cracks me up when I see cats in the newb forum getting all excited about a phone number.

Now that you see how easy it is to approach and get phone numbers, start breaking down your game and making improvements in building attraction.

[haywire]

(06-27-2012 09:39 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Texted the girl. She said she didn't remember me.

I've gotten probably over a 100 numbers at this point, and had very few day 2s, just a handfull. Time to change shit up..... jesus. I don't know if I"m cut out for game in america.

Nostalgia!

Btw, you'll be fine - don't worry. Just learn to beat them at their own game. Get more numbers than you can keep track of. Mass text. Double-Triple book for the same night.